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Sorry, Ozy, to clarify: are theonlyreasons you're voting me because of the whole "false dilemma" thing and because I took a little time to get into it, posted once (criticising and voting for you, hmm...) and then disappeared (from the site at large) over Christmas? Well, I can only apologise for semi-lurking over the last couple weeks, but I feel happy defending Falcone's "false dilemma", not least because Falcone asked a question that was then ignored. The accusation was, as far as I can tell, a simple distraction technique of SL's so he wouldn't have to answer the question.
"Why did you vote me? Because of X? Y?" would have been a better wording, but this is a million miles away from "either you're the doc or you're scum; which?". I might tell my friends that I'm gonna buy a skirt, and they might say "ooh! a flippy knee length, or a gorgeous swishy floor length for formals?" knowing, as they do, that I'm unlikely to buy a mini. If a mini were on my mind though, I wouldn't snap back "Well now that's just a false dilemma you know there are skirts that don't fit into either category"; I'd know that they were just speculating. I'd say, "Nah, I was considering a mini" and they would say "Erin I beg you do not buy a mini" and I'd say "ok"
To conclude, you'll note that posts I make with this kinda timestamp tend to be digressy and have a tendency to turn into novels. Nevertheless, Ozy's vote=weak, SL's false dilemma accusation=weaker and overly convenient, but longer ago. Vote stays.-
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That's only a week, though; it's not like Ozy's out of danger now, since it's unlikely anyone's gonna do anything extraordinarily scummy in say the next 72 hours. With that in mind, and the point that we want to avoid a no-lynch so if Ozy's got something to turn us off him we need to know now to have time to change direction on this. So, I'd like to request that Ozy claim now.-
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Well, of course, that's a less dramatic statement than it would be for most; I've only been in the game for a couple weeks. At first, I wasn't liking what Ozy said and I wanted him to defend himself; now I'm apprehensive that unless he comes out in force it'll come down to Ozy or no-lynch, and I take major issue with no-lynch, so I want him to present the strongest defence that he can, including claim, as soon as humanly possible so everyone has a chance to respondMrBuddyLee wrote:And I am also wary of Adele, who I believe has maintained a single focus thus far in this game.andwe have time to hunt out someone bettetandhave enough time to build a bandwagon to the point that we don't end the day, not with a bang, but a whimper.
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Yuk yuk yukkilmenator wrote:you are probably right MBL, but i just wanna know if you are vanilla or not. I am pro- town, and I am taking a stab in the semi lit doors of my mind, if others think I am stupid and should let it go. I will, but I am taking a stab at scum hunting and want to know. If others dont think it is a good idea, I will lay off.
So you're asking him to claim not because you have outside info, like say you're a flavour cop or something (as I'd asumed) but just because yoiu think he's scummy? You shoulda laid that right out, not murmured around it.
And since when has it been anything but stupid for people to claim at a single person's request?? MBL's objections are fair. Premature claims can be really harmful to town - very occasionallydevastating. There really should be a majority stated pro-claim opinion (typically preceded by a bandwagon or an accusation) - one (or two) persons' suspicions is nowhere near enough.
You don't want a defence first? You just want to give his most valuable secret (if he's pro-town; if he's scum, absolutely nothing) away to you because you vaguely don't like, like... something?
If you think he's scummy, say why and maybe I'll sheep. What you're barking atm's unconvincing and pisses me right off.
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I'll need to think a bit about it (sorry, I'm in a hurry but I think that this is all moving very fast so if I want you to know my concerns I've got to raise them not), but my knee-jerk reaction is that a mass-claim does not seem like a great idea right now, necessarily.
I'd like to put in a tentativeobjection to a mass-claim; I might withdraw that later, but I'm not liking your steamrolling, SL, although I do think you're town - I think you're being too enthusiastic,-
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Seems to me that, in a balanced game, mafia have the advantage in night-choices and town in day-choices, so throwing the lynch away (btw, we could just as easily go to night by voting "no lynch") seems foolhardy to me, regardless of whether we have 2 cops or (much more commonly in a mini) just the one.-
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??? I followed your point up to here - and you had a fair point. But this, I don't get at all. If Ozy's claim isgeraintm wrote:Adele - voting no lynch is much, much worse than lynching Ozy assuming his claim is true.true, how is lynching him functionally different from no-lynching? Or was that a typo; did you mean "a lie"?-
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No, he/she shouldn't. With the info we have at the moment, it could well just split the doc's focus tonight and give the sucm an ok chance of downing the useful one. It may also be that they also have results that don't indicate their sanity type, or that both cops are sane, or both are somehow nonsane (such as a naive and an insane). In any case, the info's as much use or more tomorrow than today, and if SL gets a guilty result tonight, we'll know for sure that he's insane or sane (and a fair number will know he's sane, and others will probably be able to induce it)Patrick wrote:lol.. don't worry. I don't know why klebian is scum either.
I still would like ppl to comment on whether or not a second cop should come out if there is one. I would like to confirm Shadowlurker's sanity. If we can do that, then we're virtually there unless the doc falls tonight.
I think we're getting a little OT here. People are speculating about the setup, arguing about claiming, massclaiming, no-lynching, second-test-lynching, discussing mod-metagaming... it's seriously distracting us from our core business: catching scum. Nor do I want people to state their allegiances in the hopes that someone's going to wrap it up tomorrow.Forgettomorrow for now, please, and let's focus on playing today as solidly as possible.-
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Lol. That whole post was badly written. I'm talking about things like this:geraintm wrote:Having gone back and reread today, i am just confused. I feel so out of my depth here. When adele says she doesn;t want people to state their allegencies, i am sitting there going "well, won't everyone say they are pro-town?" I have just gone and read the set up for 373, and now i am even more confused i believe none of you...
I might be misunderstanding this, but Pat seems to be saying that there's a case on klebian, so klebian needs to say who he finds suspicious. I'd've thought Klebian should be defending himself, not looking for people to accuse. Requests for people to post lists of who they do and don't trust, ostensibly for later examination, smack (very vaguely) of a distraction technique, maybe to gloss over a scum who's throwing out tells. That's what we should be looking at, and for.Patrick wrote:Yeah, all that is true about klebian, though I can't say it surprises me. However, we do need klebian give us some substancial suspicions now.-
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Geez, this game's sofast. I keep looking, thinking "I'll catch up later" then next time I check in there's loads more!
Yeah, but we need generic contributions, not just, "Oh, I suspect X, I guess, the most, then Y". The analysis he's doing atm looks good to me, if it keeps up.Turbovolver wrote:Klebian is suspicious because he hasn't been posting anything about his suspicions. So by telling us what he thinks of the game, that is a type of defense, really. When a player has to make up suspicions on the spot, it's sometimes easy to notice... we'll see.-
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The summary is useful, and the analysis makes sense toPatrick wrote:
I feel I have to disagree. The analysis he's doing is partly a summary of the game and partly using logic that doesn't seem to make sense.Adele wrote:Yeah, but we need generic contributions, not just, "Oh, I suspect X, I guess, the most, then Y". The analysis he's doing atm looks good to me, if it keeps up.me. The points he's made against SL, Turbo and (to a lesser extent) you, Patrick, all seem sensible, whereas your rebuttals do not.
For example, at one point, as Klebian pointed out, you said:
I think any given lie is more likely to be given by scum than a pro-town player. Scum could easily hope that they can move their vote to a safer/more useful location without a good reason this way without people necessarily noticing and, if they do, assuming it's a mistake. This is not LAL territory, but it definately looks like a tell to me, as does you jumping in to defend him rather than letting him explain for himself why he reallyPatrick wrote:If you vote Shadowlurker, you're saying that you think scum are more likely to lie about where they had a vote than a pro town player, which I don't think is true.didmove his vote, then. I also agree with the :badposting: he then went on to give you.-
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Well, anyone can be scum. My question is, is pressuring people who've shown a history of reacting badly to pressure in past games a pro-town action on day 1? I mean, the "easy target" accusation makes some kind of sense to me. I'm not making that accusation, Turbo, I'll need to look back at Day 1, but I'm saying that a pattern of focusing unduly on players known to act scummy when not scum early onTurbovolver wrote:Oh, not again.
Just because Friday is possibly a really sensitive person and Kilmenator confused a bunch of games together doesn't mean they cant be scum. Yes, it would be scummy to attack them *because* of these things, but I didn't do that. I raised legitimate points, and to have people to just reduce them to "whatever basis he can" is frustrating and just not true.mightbe a scumtell.
I'm very concerned about discussing the Patrick kill for frivolous reasons. If someone has something worthwhile to bring to the table, great, let them, but frankly I can see both pro-town and anti-town reasons for killing Patrick and so how is baseless speculation going to help?-
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does it seem like i trust you?MrBuddyLee wrote:I'm concerned that you're so willing to trust me, gerain.
This post read very much like you trust MBL; why else would his support of Kil be relevant?geraintm on Kilmeneter wrote:your post 509, you went to great lenghts to tell everyone you thought Patrick was pro-town. i just found it odd after the fact that Patrick's towness is proved, you made it so clear to everyone you always thought he was town. you also throw in that you also found him scummy too. the whole tone of that post i found weird, but MBL seems happy with you so despite my weird feelings about you, i have nowhere to go with them.-
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/agreeShadowLurker wrote:We can test it again if we have to but we shouldn't be worrying about him at the moment.
Sorry, but I'm holding off unvoting for now. Either the complete analysis or (as Turbo says) some reactions to the current gamestate would satisfy me. Certainly don't feel like I want a PBPA because I like making people jump through hoops-
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I had to read klebian's quote 3 times before I got it. I seem to be incapable of understanding posts with even slightly imperfect grammar lately. So:Turbovolver wrote:
OK, so it's an accusation, not a question.klebian wrote:I'll be disappointed if he goes unless he's scum seems like trying to cover up that he already knows ozy will be scum.
/agree, but I don't know if this accusation can be "answered" like a question could. What can gerain say in reply except, "well it might seem that way to you but it's not"?klebian sorta wrote:"I'll be disappointed if he goes unless he's scum" seems like trying to cover up that he already knows ozy will be scum-
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But Ozy hasn't died yet. Maybe heTurbovolver wrote:You mean you understood it?
I still don't.
Like I said, how can he be knowing Ozy was already scum if Ozywasn't?was... er,is.
I mean, I think what klebian was getting at is that gerain's "I'll be disappointed if he goes unless he's scum" looks like someone trying to oppose a lynch but hedge their bets for the eventual discovery that ozy's scum and therefore gerain was opposing a lynch on scum.
Like, gerain's trying to push the "this is a stupid wagon" card but at the same time the "if he comes up scum, it's on record I never said he definately wouldn't" card.-
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*thirds*
On balance, I think I'd prefer we don't massclaim today, although I'm not diehard against it. It's probably not going to keep up much longer in any case, y'know? If we have a doc, the scum are probably pretty near to guessing who he is, or to giving up and picking a safe NK target. If the doc picks wrong and the scum pick well, we may lose the doc tonight. But, yeah, I'd prefer we don't massclaim.-
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:sigh:geraintm wrote:
you are investigating me as your day cop activity? good i'll come up as a good guy...ShadowLurker wrote:I have submitted my check of geraintm.
That's not good. An investigation of a bad guy is more useful than an investiagtion of a good guy, right? Big picture, geraintm.
heh. I misread that as "Give us scum a day, that's all we ask" originally I thought "Wow that's unusually anti-WC of MBL, but nice of him I guess..."MrBuddyLee wrote: Give us a scum a day, that's all we ask.
Isn't vampire kind of a zebra?kilmenator wrote:I have been pointing out he could very well not be an unlynchable townie he could be a townie who was lynched and comes back as a scum.-
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You want confirmed scumzars more than confirmed townies, right? And you (from your POV) are a townie. Hence, it'sgeraintm wrote:i am town and want more confirmed townies. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to come up as scum being town, that would have been hard to explain...
if i were scum, i wouldn't have wanted to have been investigated at all. obv would have been more useful if he had investigated someone else and come up with a guilty verdict on them.badthat you got investigated.
What do you mean here? vampire zebra?Adele wrote:
Isn't vampire kind of a zebra?kilmenator wrote:I have been pointing out he could very well not be an unlynchable townie he could be a townie who was lynched and comes back as a scum.
I guess "improbable role" would've been better, but it foolishly didn't occur to me that you'd be unfamiliar with it, since I've some across it several times in Scrubs, ER and (I think) Casualty, and have used it in casual discussion without trouble.Wikipedia wrote:Zebra is a slang medical term for an obscure and unlikely diagnosis from ordinary symptoms.
It derives from the aphorism "When you hear hoofbeats behind you, don't expect to see a zebra," which was probably coined by Dr. Theodore Woodward, a former professor at the University of Maryland, Baltimore, School of Medicine.[1] It is also phrased as "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."[2]-
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Sorry for my absence.
Unvote. I'm going to have to check MBL's reasoning (also the last VC's several pages back) so I'm not voting Kilyet, but I could definately see it happening in a short while. I also want to reread the geraintm backstory - I'm getting good vibes from Turbo, less good ones from geraintm (the MBL ones aren't great, but I don't recall offhand if that's maybe partly from another game - or because RR keeps telling me I'm wrong about him).
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I think I have a problem with MBL.
Here he's saying that an action that benefits the town has a scummy timbre to it. I happen to disagree with that, both as a rule and in this specific case.MrBuddyLee wrote:Ozy was killed by a serial killer, I think. In retrospect, he was axed right after I expressed the difficulty scum would have in getting him killed, and I think an SK probably looked at that and said, "Shit, I can't win as long as that guy's in the game so he'd might as well go now." The alternate explanation is that town looked at him and suddenly decided he was the scummiest player in the game, and no one's remotely expressed that thought besides kil, who claims not to have killed Ozy. It looks like an SK dayvig kill.
He's extremely happy saying exactly how things are, how they must be, based on reasons that don't seem nearly strong enough to support such very strong opinions.MBL wrote:If there are two scum left and SL is a real cop, then those scum are kil and Turbo. If there's just one scum left, they're probably not an SK, they're pure mafia.
Well, about one in three players is scum, usually, but the modkills on day 1 balanced it more towards town, so it's hardly statistically significant, is it? And I'm sure MBL knows that.MBL wrote:SL could also be a naive cop. Or scum. His failure to identify a single scumbag in three tries is notable.
He goes on and on about what other people should say, what they should put out there. God forbid anyone except MBL keep anything to themself when he's about! I don't trust him. I think he's digging for info, looking for ways to tranform meacre evidence into highfalutin theories that don't necessarily follow. I don't want to give examples. I'm worried he's waiting for someone to point out the gaps in the logic so that he has that bit more to twist out of that person; that he's tempting information out of townies, not scum.
I won't vote in the next 24 hours, and as it happens I'm out of town on Monday, so I can promise I won't act on this for at least 48 hours. But I'm tired of MBL having swome kind of free pass because someone seems under the impression he once implied he might be the doc! I want more.
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Fine, I'll say it: you're assuming the person who killed Patrick (an action which hurt the town) is the same person who killed Ozy (an action which helped the town).MrBuddyLee wrote:Adele, saying I have a free pass with three votes on me is laughable.
I also think you're doing a magnificent job of dodging my questions about an SK daykiller. You know perfectly well the reasoning by which I arrive at that conclusion, and yet you try to paint me as anti-town because I think daykilling Ozy was WAY sketchy, and added to the daykill of Patrick, it looks like we have an SK, which means that YES, the killing of Ozy and Patrick is anti-town.-
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well,
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People discuss things openly with the town to ty to influence the lynch. If someone's tring to decide whether to vog someone or not, they aren't going to muse about it at length and make their role obvious to all, are they? That's like a cop saying in twilight "I really don't trust chaotic_diablo" then first thing next morning saying "oh I changed my mind I now 100% do trust him". Are they sneaky for not saying that, or merely non-stupid?MrBuddyLee wrote:If the people thinking that were town, they should have said so in town discussion, right? "I think Ozy's scum."
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Looking back, I can't see where you said that. I can see where you said unlynchable scum's tough on the town, but not this. Seems pretty relevant to me.MBL wrote:And I still hold that the reason he was killed is because he can't be lynched, and thus a threat to scum of any flavor. Right before he was ganked I pointed that out and BOOM, the SK nailed him.
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No, it doesn't. If you show me that quote, it'll make some sense, but still not nearly enough.MBL wrote:Adele, before I claim please let me know if this line of reasoning makes sense.-
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I don't understand. I thought from this your prior post that you just wanted to clear up one issue and then you'd claim, not stall some more. Check it out:MBL wrote:I'm more the type of vig who looks for town approval. If no one but me thinks a guy's scum, I have to be pretty confident in order to kill someone and randomize the game like that.
I'll look into those quotes, maybe I got confused but we'll see.
My patience is really starting to wear thin. It's a double standard.MrBuddyLee wrote:Adele, before I claim please let me know if this line of reasoning makes sense.-
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I couldn't see it. Tell me later, though, because this is pretty O/T.kilmenator wrote:Adele, on a side note, can I tell you that wikipedia is NOT a teacher's friend. I had a kid look up Andrew Carnegie, for PA history, fourth grader, by the way. See what it says about him... it will give you a good laugh, especially with the perspective that a fourth grade girl found it! Ps. It has something to do with "Mr. Steele"-
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That's the problem with claimed vigs, isn't it? Hang on...
Just saw this. If you're saying what I think you're saying, Kil, then I'll be voting MBL now.kilmenator wrote:And, what if I lied about who I tracked last night to see what you would claim? What if now I know that you lied? Would that then make you scum?-
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This doesn't seem to jibe with what you were saying eariler, I have to say. Also, the suggestion that there's one scum left out there... are you trying to say the game started with a scum team of 2? Seems unlikely.
wouldn't Ozy have been vamp'd by then?MrBuddyLee wrote:Since I wasn't particularly scummy at the time, I'm 95% sure we have a doctor. Since scum's kill also didn't go through, I'm thinking they targeted Ozy as well.
I trust Kil so very way more than MBL right now. If he confirms that he's saying what he seems to be saying, I'll happily vote/hammer MBL.-
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That's right, I do. Did Kil actually say he didn't target you though, or just imply it?MrBuddyLee wrote:Adele, you have a longstanding policy about lynching all liars. I'm fascinated to see you abandon it so conveniently right now and ignore kilmenator's transgression.
Please elaborate on your inconsistency.
(And note the quicklynch in motion.)
In any case, I believe #756, so that has me thinking that you lied too. So, why not lynch you today and Kil tomorrow? - assuming the game's still going, of course. You have my word that if we lynch you and you come up town, I will vote and heavily persue Kil, and even if you're scum, I expect some shuffling of feet from him.
I certainly don't think that, given two liars, we should focus first on the one who was honest about it. That makes no sense.
Hmm, but why are you not chuffed about this if you're telling the truth though, MBL? Obviously if you're telling the truth Kil's antitown and he'd die tomorrow anyway; a one-of-each swap bringing down, according to your theory, the last scumzar. But you seem pissed, as if you were lying about being pro-town, and a one-of-each hurts your WC chances so much more.-
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I'm really not sure I want to leave scum living to go around killing the town. If you were to convince the rest of the town, and if you and Kil are claiming mutually exclusive descriptions of last night's events, I guess he'd make sense as a target for you - but I don't know whether that should happen tonight or tomorrow - heck, why not let Kil decide?MrBuddyLee wrote:Like I said, you don't have to trust me. But if you give me a vig target I'll prove to you that I am who I say I am. (As best I can.)
The "unlynchable lynched ---> scum" looks very vampirish to me; I'd expect he was converted when we lynched him. Even if you're right, why would scum try to NK someone they could convert?MBL wrote:I think Ozy could have been converted any of several nights, but I didn't have that information available when I vigged him the first time.
What am I missing here? It makes no sense.
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Don't worry, I'm not about to vote tonight. You're actually starting to convince me...MrBuddyLee wrote:Kil's a she, and naturally I'm not impressed to see people going after the vig. It's the kind of behavior I'd expect from scum... to try and knock protown kills down from two a day to one a day right away.
And that nonsense about kil implying anything... she stated her claimed target plainly as day, I believe. You sure are stretching to achieve your desired goal, Adele, rather than following where the logic leads you.
I repeat, my role is provable. I'll vig whoever you want, probably kil if she comes out with a phony result, and if the game's not over, axe me or try again. It's not complicated. We whack two potential scum a day and they only get one of us. It's a no-brainer, it seems.
Need to hear from everyone on the current situation, don't let people skate by without comment regardless of your prejudices. If you take hasty action I guarantee you you'll be in hot water tomorrow.ifyou do take town guidance. Are we talking about you vigging the runner up at lynchtime, or some other voting method? Because I certainly don't think it should be your decision (or, come to that, mine), but a group call.
And I reallydohate liars.
As to me "going after the vig", the problem with vigs is that they're exactly the same as scum except for their alignment (which scum always lie about) and their commonness (they're rarer). I mean, say you're lying about being the vig. Then you're (presumably) scum. Then you can kill. Then you can "prove" your viggyness.
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Turbo, I saw this in the preview window. I was about to post the... opposite. Something MBL said earlier really stood out for me, and it's this that kil's referring to,Turbovolver wrote:And as I was thinking about it, I realised kilmenator really threw me for a loop there with the "deliberation with town" stuff. How does an unclaimed vig seek approval from town?! Quotes like:
are purely misrepresentitive.kilmenator wrote:Also, you say if you were a vig you would take the town's opinion, where have you done that?!!!
This really stood out for me. Where's the line between justifiable disinformation and scummy dishonesty? I mean, you in particular sought to discuss the daykills and the implications of them; you in particular said they were scummy.MrBuddyLee wrote:I'm more the type of vig who looks for town approval. If no one but me thinks a guy's scum, I have to be pretty confident in order to kill someone and randomize the game like that.
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I assume this was a mistake, since your description of your role precludes your killing tonight. Which seems, by the way, aMBL wrote:I'll be happy to kill whoever you guys want tonight or tomorrow to prove my ability.reallyweird mistake for someone to make about their own role; I can't imagine forgetting when I can and can't kill. Again, the possibillity that you're making it up as you go along seems another shade more likely.
Kil, as I understand it, you believe so very strongly that MBL's scum that you're willing to bet the game on it. However, if the rest of the town is not, then that's just how it is; betting your life doesn't help your case, as it's not a valid part of the argument.-
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No, addressed at MBL. The post was written, then I saw what you'd said and added the paragraph up top. I knew it was less than perfectly clear but was much, much too lazy to entirely redo the post.lTurbovolver wrote:
If this is addressed to me I have no idea what you're talking bout.Adele wrote:This really stood out for me. Where's the line between justifiable disinformation and scummy dishonesty? I mean, you in particular sought to discuss the daykills and the implications of them; you in particular said they were scummy.-
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MrBuddyLee wrote:Bond Villain, where I lived like .8 seconds and never used my vig but made a big stink about a "vig" kill I didn't make so it'd appear I wasn't the vig. Crappy game.
That's entirely different. You're claiming not-vig, but in the same way docs areMBL, bond villains, wrote:Hmm. Nice vig. Wasn't me, but cheers to whoever agreed with me that Pooky was scummy. A bold vig, but a good one.famedfor claiming not-doc ("the first person to congratulate the doc is the doc or scum").
We've got no pattern to look at, and you really have seemed to engineer an excuse that "I had to false-breadcrumb so you can't use what I said before like at all". So, questions that appear to need answering:
1) Why did you vig Ozy when you didnt find him scummy, and this you say was because you tried to NK him and found him to be town and later vig'ed him?
2) Why did you kill patrick?
3) How can we trust you given the "My posting record needs to be ignored because I was trying to throw them off" gambit? Wouldn't that be a very convenient gambit for scum to take?
I too want more weigh-ins. I'm not yet ready to say "oh wait 'n' see" on MBL; at this point in the game I want some kind of win-win plan to enact, you know?-
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Oh, yuck. You do realise how this looks to me, MBL? Like, "stop asking questions or you'll be a likely lynched tomorrow (if you're wrong)". Well, I'm sorry, I have concerns. What happens if we're in LyLo tomorrow and we know you can kill but not your alignment? What if we have to bet the game on a guess of whether you're scum or not?MrBuddyLee wrote:The only good news is, and remember this in case I die and become confirmed:you'll be able to figure out who scum is based on the proportionality of how they're questioning me, most likely.
Also, I radically disagree with the suggestion that Ozy could've been recruited "anytime"; it makes so much more sense to me that the day 1 lynch was what went him over the edge, so your reasons for vigging Pat and Ozy seem contradictory to me. But I can see why they weren't contradictory from your perspective - kinda - so, okay.
I'm almost certainly not going to vote MBL today. I think he's a bad lynch, who can be either disproven tomorrow, add a kill to the town's balance, or disobey the town's dictates and show himself a Bad Guy making tomorrow's lynch easy/safe. His answers have their problems, but a test is a better solution to that problem than a lynch.
MBL: Butseriouslydude, what, should I clam up when what people says seems contradictory and odd? That whole point you raised seemed worryingly appeal-to-fear-y.-
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summary:
ShadowLurker: has been riding on copness, needs to actually contirbute (maybe post, which he hasn't done in like a week)
Turbovolver: seems honest, trying to help. A little quick to jump to MBL's defence, but I don't think that there are any scumgroupsleft, so that seems to be townily motivated
kilmenator: Asked us to kill him. Can anyone say " 'Nuff said"? Could possibly be a pro-town wimp hoping to cast aspertions on MBL by proving himself to be town. Could be a scum trying the pity-play. Either way, dumbness; if they weren't so incredibly rare and bastardmoddery, I'd suspect jester.
geraintm: Said a week and a half ago he was waiting for silent folk to chime in. Has posted one sentence since. Hypocrite, lurking to avoid commenting on a controversial situation, or attending for some reason I don't know... not a huge fan.
Norinel: Rare but useful contributions. Worth listening to, but he doesn't shout so he'd got less notice than MBL, Turbo, Kil or I.-
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You suggested your own lynch, Kil. You can't exactly say "pls do such and such" and cry foul when people do so, plus "lynch me" is a tell.
MBL, it looks to me like Turbo's dropped a doublevote. I wouldn't be overly surprised, looking back; he's seemed to take care to always unvote when he changes votes (I don't recall if that's in the rules of this game tho)...
just in case he's gambitting,unvote. That was a suddenlynch.-
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Fantastic. So now you're non-antitown (which is not to necessarily sayMrBuddyLee wrote:If you haven't figured out my role at this point, it should be exceedingly obvious after my last post and the recent set of events. If I reference it in any way I get modkilled. Suffice it to say I'm not a threat in the least and it's been a blast lying my ass off.pro-town) induced by the mod to lie, who's never told us any truth at all... and who can't and won't tell us what we need to know to make an informed decision.
You're a miller on top of all this.
This is no role that I know of. Jester? Surviver?unvote, someone help me out here.-
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And... how do we know that the psychopath SK isn't you?MrBuddyLee wrote:
So far so good, but we're not quite home yet.geraintm wrote:Anyways, MBL i hope you are happy with the way the game has gone.
We are chasing the person who just killed scum, odds are they are not scum or they wouldn't have done that because turbo's double vote on me plus another scum vote would have probably won them the game. So yeah, we're looking for the freaking psychopathic daykilling SKthe game seems horribly balanced. scum had a godfather, double voter, recruited Ozy? and am i right in thinking there is one left, or are we chasing the person who is doing the day kills?-
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You've playedMrBuddyLee wrote:Seriously, you just need to figure out which of Norinel/myself/Adele is the SK and lynch them for the win. I think I've laid out a pretty solid case for the past day and a half, and mind you the person I spotted was a "confirmed innocent" so if he turns out to be the final killer like I think he is then you can thank me for the win.
Or you can lynch me for all the weirdness and make me a sad panda. But you'll probably lose if you do that. Just read my post history from the perspective that I was trying to draw out the SK and it should make a lot more sense.thatcard before. In fact, you've played most of the scummy cards in the deck.
MBL:
1) breadcrumbs doc
2) says daykiller is SK
3) claims day/nightvig
4) claims nightonlyvig
5) claims scum
6) refuses to claim, but hints at contradictory abilities
7) tells people he's 98.6% sure Norinel's the sk
8.) tells people it really might be me. But it'sdefinatelyNorinel. No, wait, could be me...
hmm
...I move that MBL's input should henceforth be ignored. We don't know if he'severtold the truth.. but we do know he's lied. A lot.
Me, I'm falling back on Old Faithful: Lynch All Liars. He's trying to confuse us, and it's worked. A lot. Do we need any more proof that he's a Bad Person?
vote: MBL
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So, having established that we can't trust MBL, we're blindly following his analysis? Or are you about to contend that it's a coincidence you've just named the two people he's been focusing on this morning?geraintm wrote:norinal/adele are going to have to explain their actions throughout the game though-
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