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I can usually smell the difference between scum legitimately suspecting me and scum trying to misdirect attention away from their partners. I think kilmenator's suspicion of me is overblown, and the timing and intensity makes me suspect he is protecting Ozy.
I don't have a problem with gerain or Patrick at all.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Pretty sure you're not reading the game carefully. Scum is much more likely to read carelessly.kilmenator wrote:What do you think Adele single focus has been and why do you think she has had that focus.
Scum is also not likely to write that sentence you wrote to attract attention to a relationship between them and their partner. So I'm going to operate for now on the belief that Ozy and kil are scum and Adele is not.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Here's the most interesting post of the game to date. I never commented on a relationship between you and Adele, kil. Why would you have that relationship in mind if I didn't mention it?kil wrote:MBL you are completely avoiding giving any logically reasonings for any of your opinions. If your logic holds true about the relationship with Adele and I, then why doesnt it hold true with Ozy and I?
Checking your posts, you've avoided mentioning Adele/falc and your only comment about them is a weird scummish fence-sit.
I'm now willing to believe you've either made a freudian slip and are partners with Adele or are scum drawing a favorable connection. Much more likely the former.
This is horsecrap. Scum know who scum are and have to fake the effort to make it look like they're curious. It's not easy to do and I think most lazy scum simply skip it. Town is curious but may be lazy about it. There's a difference, and it's sometimes REALLY easy to spot.Turbovolver wrote:I really don't buy the "not reading properly = scum" routine. There is nothing to suggest that townies wouldn't be lazy, nothing to suggest townies have better reading comprehension than scum, etc etc. The argument about scum only reading what concerns them isn't particularly true either, because there are definitely 'naturally defensive' townies.
Townies don't "operate on beliefs", they keep their mind open and remain eternally curious until the scum are dead.
And I'll stick with my scumhunting techniques that work for me, tyvm. I'll treat scum like scum and town like town until and unless my hunches change.
Still waiting for Ozymandius but I would also support votes for MBL at this point.
I suppose if I'm busing Ozy, I should vote for him.This seems really fake, like it was included just to inspire sympathy.
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And Turbo, why the kilmenator protection? You truly saw no merit in my observations and decided a counterattack was appropriate? Your post history regarding kilmenator looks like a vicious attempt to flog him with kid gloves.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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I'm not in the habit of claiming my role when one person finds me scummy. If I'm vanilla, that helps scum find a power role. If I'm a power role, that helps scum figure out who to kill. Let's get some info out on the table and see some accusations fly. If you find me scummy, make your case.
Why, for example, is no one commenting on the makeup of the Ozy lynch? The first thing I did when he came up townish was reread to see who made a scummy attempt to get Ozy lynched. I find it odd that kil and Patrick avoided making such comments.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Tell you what, it's obvious from kil's post that I have a night action, so I won't bother hiding that. I'll add that I may know why there was no NK last night. If you guys really want to push this, go for it, but I can only see it causing a huge mess. I'm going to go back to finding scum, and I don't think kil or Ozy are it, which narrows things a bit.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Kil can apparently only confirm my night target, at least that's what it reads like. Problem is, there could be other explanations for the lack of nightkill besides my action. So I don't see any way to confirm me or the alignment of my target today. Kil appears protown due to "enthusiasm" alone--a tracking role could theoretically be scum.
If ShadowLurker realizes his last remaining scumpartner got caught making a kill, this could be his best move. Establish trust with the townies he confirms and "believe" the claims of the others. Lynch the unclaimed/unconfirmed. The final scum will probably need to get us to make three mislynches in order to win. I'd bet on SL being town, but it's not a certainty.
Massclaim? Pie would be proud of you for proposing it, but I think it's a tad premature.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Kilmenator, I have a question for you.
You knew there was no kill last night, you knew my night target, and yet you assumed I was scum? Can you please explain why you jumped to that conclusion based on your result? It just struck me that your decision doesn't make a lot of sense.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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I'll operate on the most likely one til there's more evidence. There could definitely be another explanation but the odds for now favor me operating based on mine.Norinel wrote:Just one? I can think of three (doc protection, blocked scum, NK-immune target) off the top of my head using standard roles, two of which a tracker could partially confirm.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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I haven't claimed a power role... it was claimed for me.ShadowLurker wrote:And kilm and MBF have both claimed power roles.
I think geraint, klebian and Turbo are most likely to be scum. If we lynch those three I think we hit two and win, and if there's a vig, even better. Let's reach a consensus.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Definitely not excited about the people advocating wasting another lynch on Ozy. Sure, there's a chance he's scum, but is it likely? It's a play that doesn't make sense for protown players to push.
He's the only one of our semi-confirmed townies the scum could reastically get a lynch on. I think they're taking pokes at doing just that.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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This game had a scum godfather, which is a pretty huge advantage for scum. I'd be surprised if they got an additional benefit from recruiting dead townies to their side.kilmenator wrote:the reason i ask is because if you look at the set up of the other game, once people were lynched they became on the opposite side instead of dying. so for example, if XXX were a protownie and we lynched him, XXX would not die he would come back as a player for scumdialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Lynching Ozy a second time would be a bizarre choice. If he dies, he's scum, if he doesn't, we still wouldn't know a thing more about his alignment.
I think we need to assess his play and determine his scumminess that way, because lynching him for his claim is more of a desperation play.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Autoload made the same play as town in a newbie game he replaced into. I'm thinking that as a newbie he has yet to understand the value of patience in these games.
Shadowlurker, in my opinion you should just crack this game open for us. You're guaranteed another day investigation tomorrow, and we should trust you unless/until you lead us astray. Give us a scum a day, that's all we ask.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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"Confirmed innocent" by SL:
SL, Norinel, Adele, geraint
Remaining: turbo, autoload, kilmenator
I'll roll with turbovolver and kilmenator as the final two scum. I just don't see Ozy's claim and role as scummy in the least.
We get another result from SL tomorrow. I say we lynch turbo or kil, if they turn up town we lynch the other one tomorrow. If we hit 1/2 we're at lynch or lose: 4 remaining, one scum, and we decide between SL and his guilty result. The only way this plan fails is if the scumteam is ShadowLurker+autoload. If both kil+turbo are scum, we win.
If there's a daykill available, that's a possibility as well. There's still a chance the daykill was performed by an SK I suppose, but I think they'd be a pretty underpowered SK if that's the case.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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At this point, either SL's gambitting scum or two of {kil, ozy, turbo} are scum. In my mind, there's no (c).
Rereads of SL's play lead me to believe he had no reason to make that move at that time as scum. It's possible, but unlikely.
Of {kil, ozy, turbo} there are several ways to look at it:
* turbo's acted the least scummy.
* ozy's confirmed role looks the least scummy. (how can town kill him if he's unlynchable)
* a tracker role is rarely scummy.
So if I decide that SL's likely gg, I have to roll with one of those three assumptions.
In this game with a billion power roles, I can see a scumtracker as useful to their side. If scum don't have powers, I don't see M-M willing to off the godfather as readily as he did.
Turbo's a good player, I could conceivably see him appearing pro-town when he's not. There's nothing in his voting pattern that makes him any more pro-town than anyone else.
Ozy/autoload hasn't acted particularly protown. But for Ozy to be unlynchable scum, the mod would have to have placed the fate of the game squarely in a vigilante's hands, which I don't see as reasonable.
Given all those options, I conclude that kil is a scum tracker and turbo is probably scum concealing his scum power role.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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kilmenator wrote:Since I am a pro-town tracker, that logic does not work. If you are willing to bet that my role is unlikely but saying it is true, wouldnt that logic hold true to ozy's role as well? Doesnt really make much sense.
For Ozy to be unlynchable scum, we'd have to accept that the only way to kill him is to vig him. If the vig dies, Ozy would be unkillable.
For you to be scum, we have to accept that a claimed tracker is scum and not town, which seems unlikely but not as unlikely as the above scenario.
For turbo to be scum we'd have to accept that he's played well.
Doesn't this apply to anyone who's alive? Someone got kill-targeted and the kill failed. (Or scum didnt turn in a kill.) I'd actually think unconfirmed players are less likely to be nightkilled, so I'm not sure why my survival surprises you.The fact that MBL has not yet been NKed leads me to believe that he is either scum or scum has been RB'ed at night. I dont know, with so many power roles, this game is insanely crazy!dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Wait, you tried to force me to roleclaim on D2 based on some info you had. Now you say you didn't target me yet? The only possible conclusion I can reach is that you tracked someone else to my house on the night no one died, and assumed that person was a roleblocker who blocked me, the killer. Which is not only grossly incorrect, but doesn't seem even remotely likely enough of a possibility to try to force a claim out of someone. Wouldn't I be just as likely or more so to be the target as the killer?kilmenator wrote:Even that proves that I would be pro town because I have not targetted you yet, and I think I have a pretty good idea of your role.
OK, your actions throughout this game are making less and less sense from a pro-town perspective, leading me to believe you've been lying about them. Town's actions usually follow a simple consistency: "X was scummy d1 so I investigated them. I got a guilty so im forcing a claim." Your actions don't seem the least bit consistent.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Ozy was killed by a serial killer, I think. In retrospect, he was axed right after I expressed the difficulty scum would have in getting him killed, and I think an SK probably looked at that and said, "Shit, I can't win as long as that guy's in the game so he'd might as well go now." The alternate explanation is that town looked at him and suddenly decided he was the scummiest player in the game, and no one's remotely expressed that thought besides kil, who claims not to have killed Ozy. It looks like an SK dayvig kill.
A game start with three scum and one player capable of being converted to scum would be unbalanced against town. That's four scum out of twelve players with no prospect for a cross-kill--just not reasonable. There could be four scum plus an SK, but that also makes things dire for town, who could be close to lynch or lose after night one.
So it's either two original scum plus one recruit plus an SK or two original scum plus one recruit vs a town with a vig. With Mert (godfather) dead and Ozy (recruit) dead, it's most likely there's a scum and an SK remaining.
If there are two scum left and SL is a real cop, then those scum are kil and Turbo. If there's just one scum left, they're probably not an SK, they're pure mafia.
SL could also be a naive cop. Or scum. His failure to identify a single scumbag in three tries is notable.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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No, I'm not going to claim yet. If we have a vig, a doc and/or an RB you've already done enough damage this game by painting a clearer and clearer picture for scum. In the event that ShadowLurker is actually a naive cop or an SK, a massclaim would be extremely unhealthy for us at this point.
Seriously, everyone should reread the thread and see who had motive to daykill Patrick and Ozy. Our fate in this game relies upon determining whether those kills are pro-town or anti-town.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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If Adele, kilmenator or geraint are the daykiller, they're SK not vig:
geraint wrote:Ok, wasn't expecting that. I leave for the weekend for some Choas and come back to another ded body.
I went back and looked over Patrick's posts quickly, and all i basically got from it was it felt like a townie without an especially powerful, active role just trying to stay out of the way.
Why whoever it was with a kill decided upon him, i can't think. Patrick seemed harmless to me...Adele wrote:
I'm not certain, but I think there is an SK.Turbovolver wrote:The problem I'm having here is, it's doubtful there is an SK considering how the night's have gone.
Norinel avoided comment on Patrick's death, Turbo was on Patrick before Patrick's death. Kil's made it pretty clear I'm not the daykiller. That leaves ShadowLurker, who would also have to be scum if he's the daykiller due to the fact that a cop+dayvig role is overpowered and thus he'd have to be lying about the cop part if he has killing privileges.kilmenator wrote:for the most part I thought he was a pro-town player. I almost thought him as a cop because of this post.
Summarizing, if the daykiller's Norinel or Turbo, they could be either SK or vig. If the daykiller's kil, Adele, SL or geraint, they're an SK.
I'll leave it at this point up to Norinel and Turbo to decide whether or not they think it's wise to claim or deny daykiller. If NEITHER of you is, confirmation of that will be evidence of an SK in the game, which is something we would benefit from knowing.
As for scum, same arguments as before apply. One of {kil, MBL, turbo} or SL's naive/scum.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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I don't have to claim squat, cause if I do it'll potentially put others in danger as well. You're either scum pressing for information or you're town letting your curiosity get the best of you.
We need to get people on the record about what they "think" we're up against before they get a chance to change their stories.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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I'd like to see everyone's opinions on the following:
Who are your candidates, in order, for last remaining mafia member and why?
Is the daykiller SK or vig? Why?
If SK, who is it?
There will be four people remaining after tomorrow's daykill. If we don't hit scum today, that could very well be one scum one SK and two town, and we'd be close to fucked.
If we DO hit scum today, we'll probably be down to an SK and three town, which is still lynch or lose. So I'd like to see people on the record about both scum and SK, because some people appear to be in a rush to avoid those topics, get a quick kill in and move on to tomorrow.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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From yesterday:
So you and turbo are my candidates for the final scum. You, Adele, SL and geraint are my candidates for a daykilling SK if there is one.Summarizing, if the daykiller's Norinel or Turbo, they could be either SK or vig. If the daykiller's kil, Adele, SL or geraint, they're an SK.
I'll leave it at this point up to Norinel and Turbo to decide whether or not they think it's wise to claim or deny daykiller. If NEITHER of you is, confirmation of that will be evidence of an SK in the game, which is something we would benefit from knowing.
As for scum, same arguments as before apply. One of {kil, MBL, turbo} or SL's naive/scum.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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You're dancing around here, kil. Do you think Turbo is scum or SK, and what's your reasoning? Do you think SL or his targets (geraint, Norinel, Adele) could be scum or SK or neither?
And why are you cleared in the least? Scum and SK will likely have powers in addition to killing ability. Your big theory is that I'm a mafia who cankill and recruitand yet you try to pretend like because you can track you can't kill?
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Wow, this game has gone bonkers.
I will repeat that a massclaim is a terrible idea. There are almost certainly two anti-town killers remaining given the amount of town power we see claimed or hinted at or turned up dead so far. We won't be nailing both killers before dawn and in fact may be nailing neither. In the meantime, scum will have to choose between a lucky shot for the scum of opposite alignment or shooting for a tasty power role. I'm pretty sure they'll shoot for the best power roles given that opportunity. A massclaim just makes that shot easier for them to optimize.
I've managed to maintain ambiguity about my role because it keeps me from being the obvious gank. I wish more of you would catch a clue and see what's going on here--I can't spell it out any more clearly.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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SKs are quite often investigation immune.kilmenator wrote:the only person who could have day killed, that isnt cleared is turbo, because mine is a night ability and so is MBL's.
Your logic hasn't been this stellar this game, kil. The main reason I'm having trouble voting for you is because I play based more on posting style than pure logic because I think townies can often make logical mistakes. Right now, both scum and SK are probably hoping for a fast lynch of anyone who's not them, because then it'll be lynch or lose tomorrow and anything goes. If you're town, your faulty logic is giving them room to make bad plays and tomorrow say "oops my bad but I guess I just followed kil incorrectlyvote: kil". Or you're scum.
If someone quickhammers me without asking the right questions first, please make them a prime suspect tomorrow.Please note that the three people on me right now are 3/4 of the prime candidates for SK. All three have played shakily and borderline anti-town this game, and SL is only getting the benefit of the doubt because he's a claimed cop.
Personally, I have reason to believe geraint is the surest good guy amongst the three.
If you lynch me now you'll be lynch or lose tomorrow with 4 remaining (the final scum and one SK left). My advice is to look most carefully at Adele, turbo, kilmenator, and carefully evaluate SL's play independent of his claim if they're alive by then.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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I'm absolutely not taking issue with your playstyle--you post a lot and that allows people to gauge your words, which is most important by far. If people make logical mistakes and errors and then explain them away satisfactorily, it's all good.
For example, you just suggested that I claim so that if I get hammered you'll have more information on me. When I get hammered, you'll get my role from the mod, so the point of me claiming would be something else entirely. The pro would be that you'll understand what my deal has been. The con would be that scum will be able to figure out one, maybe two power roles via my claim. I weighed the prospects and I don't think it's wise to do that, I'd rather appeal to logic and try to convince town that lynching me's the wrong decision. If I die then the cat's out of the bag anyway and I've "claimed" posthumously.
I'll only claim if at least four people think it's wise. That way I know that at least two other townies have considered the logic and decided it's in the best interests of town. In one game I played with M-M, a doc refused to claim on principle and got lynched. I won't take this that far but I will make sure I don't do anything that hurts town.
Norinel, Adele and turbo could hammer me right now I believe. Norinel, you're the only one I see doing it, but I hope you'll take the time to talk things through before doing anything hasty.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Adele hasn't expressed suspicions with reasons behind them in quite some time. She's against a massclaim and believes there's an SK. She's expressed a willingness to lynch kil but has given no reasons that I've spotted reading back a few weeks.
If SL's gg and the SK is investigation immune, this town's in big trouble because we've been giving too many people free passes for too long.
I don't think SL can be SK in retrospect, because if he was, he wouldn't know who it was safe to proclaim as innocent. If he gambled and one of {Adele, Norinel, geraint} was scum, they'd know he was a fake (or less likely naive) cop and axe him. So I no longer think there's a reasonable chance that SL is SK, leaving him as scum or more likely, gg.
So Adele, geraint or kil (possibly but less likely Norinel or turbo) are SK. One of {kil, turbo, MBL} is scum unless SL gambitted as scum, which doesn't make sense.
There's a lot to analyze and it's not happening. Scum and SK are clearly laying low hoping not to get on each other's radar.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Norinel hasn't expressed a real suspicion in a while either. He's given us a few hypotheses but not commented on which he sees as plausible.
When SL clamied cop and proclaimed Norinel innocent, Nor's posts over the next week were to express suspicion of ShadowLurker (healthy in and of itself) but curiously also added:
When you're confirmed innocent by a "cop", people tend to not go after you very hard, and it's curious that you'd find that surprising. I've said the same thing before in search of scum, but never when I've been a "confirmed".Norinel wrote:I'm a little surprised nobody's going after me for not posting thoughts on specific people
Norinel, can you please summarize your thoughts on the gamestate and various alignments? What's your take on SL and his three cleared individuals? What's your take on the daykills? If I get lynched and turn up town, do you think you have a chance to salvage the game at that point, and if not, why aren't you trying harder to get today's lynch right?dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Well unless it's you, I'm not going to buy your hunch. If you're believing they're town based on your investigation only, I think you're being naive. And I don't think the kills themselves look entirely pro-town reasoned, at least as reasoned in thread. No one made a compelling case for Patrick and Ozy to be scum before they died as far as I know.
You kind of stopped playing once you claimed and you've been letting everything ride on that.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Adele, saying I have a free pass with three votes on me is laughable.
I also think you're doing a magnificent job of dodging my questions about an SK daykiller. You know perfectly well the reasoning by which I arrive at that conclusion, and yet you try to paint me as anti-town because I think daykilling Ozy was WAY sketchy, and added to the daykill of Patrick, it looks like we have an SK, which means that YES, the killing of Ozy and Patrick is anti-town.
If I die, I suggest you all look carefully at Adele... she's far and away the #1 SK candidate at the moment. I still think kilmenator or turbo are the final nightkilling scum.
Sure, I'll claim if anyone else buys your arguments. You won't be happy with the results, but meh, it's better than a lynch.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Well, put it this way.
If the people thinking that were town, they should have said so in town discussion, right? "I think Ozy's scum."
Look back and see if anyone did that. I don't think they did, other than you. So when he was killed, it's a sign that someone sneaky did it, implying that the daykiller is an SK.
And I still hold that the reason he was killed is because he can't be lynched, and thus a threat to scum of any flavor. Right before he was ganked I pointed that out and BOOM, the SK nailed him.
Adele, before I claim please let me know if this line of reasoning makes sense.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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I don't see any other way to move forward at this point, and I don't want this game to get dull. I think it's too late for scum to overcome our lead now, but we'll see. I delayed because I was looking for clues in the way people talked about the different day and night kills to see who might let on about their targets. Scum have clearly been blocked by the doc two nights in a row and I thought someone might stumble when talking about their night target.
I know there's a doctor, but I'm not him. I'm theprotown insomniac vigilante. I have to kill once a day in the daytime or nighttime.
Day one I replaced in, night one I didn't buy the unlynchable town bit and decided that Ozy was >50% scum so I tried to gank him. I was blocked by either a doctor or a roleblocker, and the kill didn't go through. Since I wasn't particularly scummy at the time, I'm 95% sure we have a doctor. Since scum's kill also didn't go through, I'm thinking they targeted Ozy as well.
Once I realized that we had a doc, and soon after realized we had a cop, top priority became to protect the doctor at all costs. Kil provided the opportunity. So I hinted at knowing why there were no nightkills, trying to pull the flak. Every night the doctor survives is another night of free investigations. There's no SK in this game--we're after a scumteam that's probably down to one.
I'll be happy to kill whoever you guys want tonight or tomorrow to prove my ability.
I expect scum to try and get me lynched quickly and then to try and ferret out the doc and kill him/her tonight. That would leave five of you tomorrow and one scum, and you'll have to decide whether or not to believe ShadowLurker. Personally, I think the timing of his play makes him town. I don't think the game's balanced if he's town, because the doc-cop-vig combo is so powerful, but I do think he's played a pro-town game thus far.
If I get quicklynched, look at Kil, Turbo or SL as your final scum tomorrow, in that order. The way Adele's played, she really doesn't look like town this game, but since there's no SK, she can only be scum if Shadowlurker's naive. Heed that as my final advice to you if/when you see my role come up at sunset tonight.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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No one day one, didn't understand the situation well enough to vig.MrBuddyLee wrote:I know there's a doctor, but I'm not him. I'm theprotown insomniac vigilante. I have to kill once a day in the daytime or nighttime.
Night one, ozy.
Day two, Patrick.
Day three, ozy.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Couple things off the top of my head, kil.
First, you seem to be missing the point of my deception and my behavior towards Ozy. I tried to vig him, got blocked, realized scum apparently also got blocked, and concluded that Ozy was town who scum tried to off N1. So after that I was defending Ozy as town, poking at the people who tried too aggressively to lynch him, and thanks to you, explaining away my actions in a way that protected the real doctor, who may still be alive partially due to the confusion I created around the whole claim situation. I'm guessing the real doc protected me or ShadowLurker N2, and that's why there was no kill that night.
Second, you're missing the point of the Patrick/SK chatter--it was to disguise the fact that I'm a vig in case it came down to a small number of players at endgame. You kind of forced all this on me by prematurely revealing that you tracked me N1, the kind of move that really cramps a vig's style and makes it easier for scum to identify other power roles by process of elimination.
Like I said, you don't have to trust me. But if you give me a vig target I'll prove to you that I am who I say I am. (As best I can.)dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Kil, please claim your "new" night result. I didn't place any orders last night, due to having used my ability during daytime, so I'm fascinated to see what you'll come up with.
If kil's claiming I took a night action last night, then she's scum of some kind. Flat out.
I think Ozy could have been converted any of several nights, but I didn't have that information available when I vigged him the first time. Kil's right, she wasn't the first one to raise the recruiting theory, but someone else did, I forget who.Adele wrote:This doesn't seem to jibe with what you were saying eariler, I have to say. Also, the suggestion that there's one scum left out there... are you trying to say the game started with a scum team of 2? Seems unlikely.
wouldn't Ozy have been vamp'd by then?MBL wrote:Since I wasn't particularly scummy at the time, I'm 95% sure we have a doctor. Since scum's kill also didn't go through, I'm thinking they targeted Ozy as well.
Turbo, Norinel, ShadowLurker, it's all on the table now. Need your input.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Kil's a she, and naturally I'm not impressed to see people going after the vig. It's the kind of behavior I'd expect from scum... to try and knock protown kills down from two a day to one a day right away.
And that nonsense about kil implying anything... she stated her claimed target plainly as day, I believe. You sure are stretching to achieve your desired goal, Adele, rather than following where the logic leads you.
I repeat, my role is provable. I'll vig whoever you want, probably kil if she comes out with a phony result, and if the game's not over, axe me or try again. It's not complicated. We whack two potential scum a day and they only get one of us. It's a no-brainer, it seems.
Need to hear from everyone on the current situation, don't let people skate by without comment regardless of your prejudices. If you take hasty action I guarantee you you'll be in hot water tomorrow.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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