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Wow, this was a quick night.
I'm doing some design for a game right now, I'll post some opinions afterwards.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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Okay, I reread the game, and a couple of things caught my eye:
-TSQ. He defended SL throughout most of the day, then suddenly, out of the blue, hammered him.
-germy. He added little content throughout the day and put SL on Lynch-1.
-Friday-13th. She was the first to vote SL and never added a lot afterward.
-Lucresia. Was very insistent on lynching SL.
I'm not entirely sure I like the way LyingBrian has been playing either. I'll go ahead andFoS: germy, Lucresia Friday-13thandVote: TSQuntil he comes up with a good explanation for hammering ShadowLurker.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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I'm awesome, I know.LyingBrian wrote:- Post #157-158
@Zindaras
well in those 2 short posts you've managed to become more helpful than your counterpart...
While I like the way you generally respond to a lot, I disagree very much with your WIFOM argument. The way SL was lynched seems quite odd to me, and I'm getting the impression that that argument was the main one.what i don't like about your post is
seems to me like you're riding everyone else's coat tails w/ this statement... interesting how you didn't give any reasons of your own why you don't like my play...Zindaras wrote:I'm not entirely sure I like the way LyingBrian has been playing either.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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Could you point to earlier games where you've done the same?Thestatusquo wrote:You can vote me, but I simpy hammered shadowlurker because he must be quicklynched at all times. It's a nul tell for me, since I would do it as both scum and town.
I might be scum, yes, but voting off of something like that makes no sense for two reasons:
1) I've already explained how I would do it both town and scum, but if you don't buy that
2) It is much less likely a scum would do that then town, because scum wants to avoid that kind of pressure. Come on now, I'm an experienced player; do you really think I'd have 'opportunistic voting' as one of my scum tells?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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I really don't know anything about that. Is there anyone else alive in the game who knows this better?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
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Hmmkay.
So what are your opinions on all the players in the game right now? I'd like a nice lil' list.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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EBWOP:Unvoteuntil further notice, no desire to see a speedlynch.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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What I meant was a list with opinions on every living player left remaining. Not sure why Rasta was so horribly scummy, though.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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Read this game, if you're so convinced Rasta was scummy. It seems to me to be her normal play.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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You weren't right about ShadowLurker.LyingBrian wrote:that's the nice thing about opinions, i don't need you to agree w/ mine, for me to be right
Your argument against ShadowLurker was that he was using WIFOM to prove his townieness, when he himself stated it wasn't a scumtell or a towntell. As said in Post 130:... i may have a slight misunderstanding of 'WIFOM', but my points are still valid... i don't think you should throw them out, b/c my classification may be incorrect...
It makes the implication that it is not a legit scumtell, not that I am town.
I see no other reason in Post 120, the post where you actually vote him. You FoSed him before for "not contributing", but that's all.if you think that the WIFOM was the reason for my vote, then you may need to do a re-read... i was voting for ShadowLurker b/c he was suspicious... the way he reacted to the WIFOM, only made him seem more suspicious, thus i never felt a need to remove my vote...ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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He was town, wasn't he? That kinda makes him right. ShadowLurker was right. The WIFOM argument used against him was wrong. It wasn't a scumtell, but it wasn't a towntell either. That's what he said over and over, yet people ignored that point.germy wrote:Call it a bandwagon, if you like, but I provided my reasoning for lynching Shadowlurker in the post in which I made my vote.
He was wrong, using a "scum wouldn't do that" defense, and insisting that was good enough.
SL wasn't lynched at that point, so yes, it did matter. Besides, with two scumgroups in the game, he'd have to have guessed that SL was town.Third, sprontalic says next to nothing about the "bandwagon" the whole time except "I don't mind Shadowlurker's playstyle," then constructs a looooong post at lynch-minus-one, coming to Shadowlurker's defense?
A good strategy, if you're scum: come to a townie's defense when it won't matter, thereby looking like you are a townie yourself. When, in fact, you're not.
This TSQ argument is quite comparable to the argument that got SL lynched yesterday.
The fact that TSQ did what he always does cannot be used against himorfor him. It's best to simply ignore it and keep an eye on him. That's what I'll be doing, which is why I asked him for his opinions.
germy and LyingBrian, I want from you nice little lists with opinions on every player in the game.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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Yeah. At least 2 other people are also scum.LyingBrian wrote:2)fine, i'll admit i might be wrong about the definition of WIFOM (i've already done this), but at least 2 other people agree w/ my point (just b/c you do something suspicious & say you do it as both town & scum, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve a vote)
That is no reason to vote him.- Post #176Zindaras wrote:I see no other reason in Post 120, the post where you actually vote him.LyingBrian from Post 120 wrote:the problem is how he normally plays is suspicious
Which is worthy of a lynch?i also thought ShadowLurker was suspicious in the early parts of the game...
Have you ever seen Fritzler or Coron play? Even I've done it.- Post #187
no, it makes him town, unfortunately... like i said before, i used to employ the same meta-game strategy, until someone else pointed out the fallacy of that strategy... see aboveZindaras wrote:He was town, wasn't he? That kinda makes him right. ShadowLurker was right.
You were the one who was driving the SL bus, and germy put him at Lynch-1. I've already asked it of the eventual hammerer.i like to receive rather than give... why me & germy, and why should i?
Mafia's a game you play together, where you work for a mutual goal. I miss that here.i don't like players making demands... probably nothing of it, it just grates against my rebellious personalityShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
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Pressure Vote: germy
Let's see how long it takes before he shows up.
Lots of other people need to post more, too.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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That's not what you said in Post 120. Pressure votes are usually done in the format I put mine. Also, pressure votes are usually taken off before the guy's lynched.LyingBrian wrote:playing suspiciously is absolutely a reason to vote anybody, and my vote wasn't intended to lynch ShadowLurker is was meant to pressure him...
How is this a point in your favour? He wasn't lynched by TSQ. TSQ hammered him. Without the other 6 votes on him, SL wouldn't have been lynched.he was lynched by Thestatusquo...
You'll consistently be wrong in your play, in that case.doesn't make it good play... and doesn't mean i shouldn't vote for them or you...
You have. You've even addressed TSQ's (Post 168-170). Germy hasn't posted his yet, but he hasn't posted either.maybe i missed them, but i haven't seen germy or Thestatusquo's lists...
*shrugs*the second quote sounds like a manipulation to get me to do what you want... sorry, but i'll pass...
I will be voting you if you don't tell us who you think is suspicious and who you think is town, in a nice list. There's absolutely no reason not to if you're town, so it's a very suspicious play.
Stop putting words in my mouth.i guess Nai is my scum partner since he agrees w/ my point, right?
No, I don't think Nai's your scumbuddy, right now. I think germy is. Nai could be scum (though I don't suspect him at the moment), but from the other side.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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How could I have known you were away for the weekend. I want quick responses to my posts, to prevent scum from putting off responding until they make up a better argument.germy wrote:Yo. It's been two days, the weekend, since I posted. Hardly requiring a "pressure vote" :roll" Geez.Unvote.
So, even though he was town, he was totally wrong and you were totally right?The fact that Shadowlurker was town does not make him right. He not only used faulty reasoning, but defended it.
His strategy was not more beneficial to scum. He made sure he was in the spotlights, and that usually isn't a good place for scum to be.Simply put: particular strategies exist that are more beneficial to scum than for townies. Lurking is a good example. A lurking player does not necessitate they are scum; lurking is neither a towntell or a scumtell. However, we (players as a whole) tend to pressure vote and even sometime lynch lurkers. The idea is that players that use such strategies (as Shadowlurker did by twisting a WIFOM argument) should be lynched because such a strategy is more beneficial to scum using it.
Not silly. Extremely useful. I've done it before, to great effect.I'm not going to provide my thoughts on every player in the game. That's silly.
Well, if you want to sit around and hope everyone posts without anything to make them, you're naive.Zindaras: Making demands
No. I'm claiming that bad logic is no reason to lynch a townie.and claiming that bad logic is all right if made by a townie.
Vote: LyingBrian
I find his behaviour Day 1 scummy, and his insistence that SL deserved to be lynched even scummier. And I very, very much dislike the way he's been responding to my posts. He apparently doesn't want to give his opinions on other players because he's rebellious, which is an absolutely ridiculous argument.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
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Good to see you're at least reading the thread, even if you're not taking the trouble of actually adding something to the discussion. Who do you think is scum? Mind voting?friday-13th wrote:
wel can you explain this to me how i have done this.cause im not sure what you mean here.friday-13th: for applying his logic to players selectively. Which partially implicates Nai.
This argument reminds me so much of the ShadowLurker argument it's not funny anymore. How do you expect Glork to defend himself when he does something extremely wacky Day One?germy wrote:You say that you would hammer whether you were town or scum. Fine. It might or might not be a null-tell. It doesn't matter.It is far easier for scum to hide behind this veneer in order to excuse their scummy actions.You are using metagame reasoning to defend yourself,instead of reasoning based on this particular game.
Then, you say if we don't believe you, than scum would never do something so obvious. Fine. It might or might not be a null-tell. It doesn't matter.It is far easier for scum to hide behind this veneer in order to excuse their scummy actions.You are using WIFOM reasoning to defend yourself,instead of reasoning based on this particular game.
Your actions regarding the "hammer" have been only mildly suspicious. I understand other players questioning your actions.
But the fact you are relying on faulty reasoning to defend yourself is why I am voting for you.
I play with a guy (MT_Gunn, for those of you who may be interested) who makes a point out of claiming Day One, every game. Most of the time, it's something wacky too. He's claimed scum, SK, pretty much everything. Following your logic, we should lynch him every game for acting scummy.
Actually, my guess was that the Commies thought he was the Seer. The Commies really can't afford losing even one of their number. I'd say the Seer is their prime target.Nai wrote:
I'm not sure on this either. I'd wager that the scum realized that most of the players, currently, are helping them rather than hurting them. They really had nothing to lose by killing him, since he couldn't be one of them, and he could be either of the other two groups. The fact that he was a lurker and wasn't helping them finish off the other two groups might play a part.Kingpin wrote:Chamber was abducted. Why?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I have some universal scum tells I use personally, actually. Of course, I don't make them public, because that'd be pretty silly. They're just things that make me go reread a thread for a specific player's posts. They're pretty damn effective, too.
By the way, TSQ, your guilty scumtell on Rasta seemed pretty universal...ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
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Meh, go ahead. I don't think you'll get a lot from it, though. I make a point of being unreadable.
I want the people who aren't voting right now (Cadre, KingPin, Lucresia, Friday-13th) to vote/contribute.
Also, why aren't you voting, TSQ? Just wondering here...ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
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I don't understand this line at all.sprontalic wrote:I think the whole deal with Rasta is the biggest thing we have yet.
I don't like the amount of players who aren't voting, and I'd like to see a reduction in their numbers.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
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Well, chamber's always an odd player. We don't know who the Commies are, so we don't know who was going against them. Perhaps that's one of the reasons they picked chamber: it gives us absolutely zero information to go on.Nai wrote:You may have a point there, but you'd think they'd go after someone a little more active. I'd be more afraid of an active member going against the flow that I want than I would an unactive player that just helps me by not voting.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
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EBWOP: Getting Seer tells from chamber is also an option for why they killed chamber.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
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Did you even bother to read the link I gave you? Very much comparable play from Rasta, as town.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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KingPin wrote:So I understand, TSQ, you 'hammered' SL because it must be done. That is the only reason? That is your only defense? Can you not see why that is scummy, when defended in that way? If you cannot, please think about it like this. If I did that, would you think that I were scummy? Of course you would. Or I hope you would. If anyone does this it is scummy.Vote: TSQ
I'd like you to respond to this, KingPin. I think quite a few posts against a TSQ lynch have been raised, yet you are insisting he is the correct play.Zindaras wrote:
This argument reminds me so much of the ShadowLurker argument it's not funny anymore. How do you expect Glork to defend himself when he does something extremely wacky Day One?germy wrote:You say that you would hammer whether you were town or scum. Fine. It might or might not be a null-tell. It doesn't matter.It is far easier for scum to hide behind this veneer in order to excuse their scummy actions.You are using metagame reasoning to defend yourself,instead of reasoning based on this particular game.
Then, you say if we don't believe you, than scum would never do something so obvious. Fine. It might or might not be a null-tell. It doesn't matter.It is far easier for scum to hide behind this veneer in order to excuse their scummy actions.You are using WIFOM reasoning to defend yourself,instead of reasoning based on this particular game.
Your actions regarding the "hammer" have been only mildly suspicious. I understand other players questioning your actions.
But the fact you are relying on faulty reasoning to defend yourself is why I am voting for you.
I play with a guy (MT_Gunn, for those of you who may be interested) who makes a point out of claiming Day One, every game. Most of the time, it's something wacky too. He's claimed scum, SK, pretty much everything. Following your logic, we should lynch him every game for acting scummy.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
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Which scumgroup do you think TSQ belongs to? Who do you think are/is his scumbuddy(s)? Is the hammer the only thing you're voting him for or do you think his Day 1 posts are scummy as well?KingPin wrote:>snip<
This makes me happier. This is pretty much what I wanted from LyingBrian.germy wrote:With 10 players left, we know that 5 are town and 5 are scum. Which means a full half of us are lying.
The Islamists/Mafia just need tosurvive. They don't want to be suspicious and be lynched. They don't want to look important and be nightkilled. They don't care who is lynched as long as it is not one of them.
The Communists/Werewolves are a traditaional mafia team. They want everyone else lynched without implicating themselves.
My thoughts on possible scum. These thoughts areextremelyvague, but I think discussing possible connections and similarities between players can help us unearth the actual scum.
Islamists: friday-13th, Cadre, Lucresia. I believe that these three have been the ones "laying low" the most. Not necessarily in terms of postcount, but also in terms of contributions and actions.
Communists: sprontalic, Thestatusquo. sprontalic was distancing from Thestatusquo with his vote, but both are claiming that Shadowlurker was using good logic, and should apply it to Thestatusquo's case.
Again, malleable. But I wanted to get my thoughts out and see what other people thought about behavior and connections.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Where in this thread did you state it was a Pressure Vote?LyingBrian wrote:sorry i don't format my pressure votes the same way you do, and i couldn't remove my vote b/c by the time i got home from work, ShadowLurker was already lynched... check my post times...
My other suspicions are quite clear *points to Post 158*.Fine by me... if you think not giving in to 1 player's demands is a scum tell, go right ahead... i must've missed your list, though...
And, yes, I do think it's quite scummy not to want your opinions to be clear.
Hell no. One's gut is one of the biggest weapons a player has.you say a couple reasons you're voting for me is b/c you don't like the way i'm replying to your posts, and i won't make your list... can't do anything about my responses... that's a silly reason to state for voting someone...
Two ways of logic (both under the assumption we lynch you, which I hope):as far as the list is concerned, how do i know that you are not scum, trying to get an even bigger advantage? you could very easily use my list to make me look scummier, or use it to attack someone else i find scummy... honestly, i think the whole demand of "make me a list" is scummy...FOS: Zindaras
-If you're town, we lynch you, but we know your opinions. We can use the opinions of a confirmed town player for our lynch tomorrow.
-If you're scum, we lynch you, we know your opinions. We can use them to catch other scum tomorrow.
If you die overnight, we also get the advantages presented here.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Quite the reveal (and surprise).
I must take another look at this thread.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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He kinda did...Nai wrote:I think he's lying scum, trying to get himself out of a lynch, and trying to get the real President to claim so that his scum group can get him. It's interesting that he didn't say anything about having investigated anyone.
LyingBrian wrote:last night i investigated Cadre/Yosarian2, and i was told he was not a Communist/Werewolf which means he's either a Republican/Townie or Islamist/Mafia...ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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This is a funny situation where it indeed may be better for the cop not to counterclaim (unless he's caught the other commie, obviously).ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Exactly. So why should I believe you when you say it's a pressure vote, when you never said so, especially when you're saying stuff like this:LyingBrian wrote:i didn't, unfortunately...
no, i would like to lynch you b/c you're acting suspiciously, and doing absolutely nothing to make your case any stronger, in fact, you're just adding fuel to the fire..well i think we're getting somewhere... the FACT that you are acting suspicious does not make you town or scum, per se, but the ACTION of acting suspicious makes us think you are scum (regardless of whether or not you do this every game)
There is a difference between what TSQ did and what you're doing. You're actively working against scumhunting.and using Thestatusquo's argument i always keep my suspicions to myself as town and scum, so that's not a scumtell
The reasoning for this being?i disagree w/ your "only scum don't want their opinions known" statement,
And not doing it makes people think ou're scum. This post is quite ridiculous. I'd better not post at all anymore, so good players don't manipulate what I'm saying.but if the other 4 players on my bandwagon insist i make a list to keep myself from being lynched, i'll do so, i'm not an idiot... i just don't like giving into the demands of 1 player, it gives good players like PookyTheMagicalBear too much material to manipulate the majority's opinion of me...
So, though it's one of the biggest weapons you have, it's a silly reason for voting someone?i might agree one's intuition is the biggest weapon they have, but it's very hard to convince other players that that is a good reason to vote for another player... look at Cadre on D1
It was a surprise to me that you were the Seer. Personally, I got more Seer vibes from others (not saying who, obviously, because that'd be stupid if you were lying).not too much of a surprise if you have played w/ me before... i am always agressive & out-spoken, and have gotten lynched for it many a time... obviously i need to work on my arguing skills, but that's what i like about this forum...
I think this part is scummy.- Post #258, 260
great reasoning to use as scum to try to get your only advantage lynched... don't worry, i'll investigate you tonight, Nai, so we can semi-clear you or not...
You're dead, LyingBrian. You're not going to get any investigations. You're going to die, whether it's today, tonight, or tomorrow.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Pressure Vote: friday-13th
I think both friday and Lucresia should post before a hammah is cast.
I don't know about Brian anymore. It is a claim, but as I said, no Seer-vibes from him. Come to think of it, his investigation doesn't make any sense at all. Why, of all people, Cadre?
I think I'll vote Brian (yay for stream of consciousness posts), but I want friday and Lucresia to post first.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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You don't think it's a good strategy for the real Seer not to counterclaim?
I need to rethink this game. This Seer claim confuses me.
Yos has a point about us having to lynch scum today. Germy's kinda pinged my dar over the course of the game.
I need to stop posting at late times where I'm easily influenced because of my sleepdrunk state.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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You've obviously never played with me as Cop.Nai wrote:Why would you assume he's the Seer? Has he played like a cop? I've never known a cop to attract a lot of attention to himself, because he doesn't want the scum to go after him. LyingBrian has been an outright player in this game, and has made a lot of noise and waves. That doesn't sound like a cop to me. Especially the fact that he seemed suspicious of you yesterday, but then and investigated a very low key player. That doesn't sound very cop-like to me.
I totally buy the Cop claim. I should trust my gut more often.
Is there really any doubt about which one is scum?Thestatusquo wrote:Forgot to mentionunvote nai
Is anyone else in favor of leaving them both alive till one shows up dead, then we can be sure the one we're lynching is scum, and it will give disinsentive to kill the real one? I'm seriously considering throwing my vote back to germy.
The list makes it difficult for the Mafiate to maneuver. They have to give their opinions on all players, which means they have to say stuff about people they may have wanted to get lynched later. Fake lists and stuff are easily analyzed.Lucresia wrote:I absolutely disagree with this. If he's scum and ends up getting killed he could make a fake list to throw us off that actually has mafia on it...Then again like almost any argument...it could go either way. He could actually have posted about townies in hopes of killing them off and then we'd have a clear list. As either thing could happen...I wouldnt say this is a great basis to go on.
If someone changes their behaviour, I'd definitely look out for them.I think if you have your opinions COMPLETELY in the open...in the form of a list of everyone that is..that mafia members will realize that their playing still is either working or not working and will make appropraite changes on how they conduct themselves.
And then we arrive at a few questions:(bolded important)There's no reason for a townie to claim a role that isnt there's? Even to protect the seer? Perhaps....and this is a thought that again is only thought because its so hard to base anything off of anything in this game..PERHAPS, Lyingbrian was doing just that..lying. Maybe he is a townie that claimed seer so that he doesnt get lynched tonight and instead the REAL seer is able to make 1 more investigation before he is killed. JUST a possibility..but DEFINITELY something I am considering. Any thoughts on this?
1) Do you really think LyingBrian is town?
2) Do you really think it's town behaviour to claim Cop, in a game without docs?
3) Do you really think lying is town behaviour?
*thumbs up*I hope this all made sense and will try to keep up with this game no matter how sick I feel
Personally, I have absolutely zero doubt that Nai is the Seer and LyingBrian's a commie. Not only is his claim more believable, I actually had Nai tagged as Seer.
I don't think there's any good logic behind leaving scum alive, soUnvote, Vote: LyingBrianShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I don't mind a hammer, personally.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Vote: germy
I thought he was Commie together with LB yesterday, and nothing has happened that changed my opinion.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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After someone claims and before someone counterclaims, there are only two types of people who should be pushing heavily (and voting falls under that) for a lynch: The real Seer, and his scumbuddie(s), because they're the only ones who know 100% sure that he's lying.
Your entire defense on that point is based on WIFOM. "Scum wouldn't vote their own scumbuddy!"
Face it. LyingBrian wasn't going to get lynched as long as there was no counterclaim. Your move was not at all negative for the scumgroup, if you're scum, and that's what I look at in these kind of arguments. You were simply trying to distance yourself from LyingBrian, and the manner in which you did that set off my scum alarm.
This, added to my earlier suspicion of you, is enough for me to vote you.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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So it isn't even a defense.germy wrote:I am not using that as a defense. I asked how those voting for me are reconciling it.No.
Don't get this.My "defense" is the reasoning that I gave for placing a vote on LyingBrian at the time.
No, it did indeed not ring true. But a townie would've thought twice before pouncing onto it. Point in case: the people who unvoted, but retained their feelings regarding Brian and wanted to get some more information before actually lynching him.My point is thatI do not believe this is true. LyingBrian's claim did not ring true, in the first place. (Again, for reasons I already outlined)
There is a difference between not blindly believing a claim and wanting a lynch.His play and his defense was inconsistent with being the Seer. Townies should not blindly believe every claim that is made unless it is counterclaimed. Weneedto analyze such claims on their own basis, and when they don't make sense we should not trust them. I didn't trust LyingBrian's claim, and I voted him for it.
The fact that you put him at Lynch-1 after his claim makes me think the last, for you, and I see that as scummy behaviour. I think a townie would've waited to see more arguments.
You're welcome. I always enjoy a nice clean argument.germy wrote:However, Zindaras, thank you for responding fully and politely. I appreciate the fact that you have been answering questions with your thoughts well explained.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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My guess is that at least one of the lurkers (counting Lucresia and friday as lurkers here) are Islamists. I'd probably take a look at those before any others.
And I like how Yos basically said exactly the same thing as I did.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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You're misunderstanding me, though that may be the double negative.Lucresia wrote:
I don't understand why you felt it was a good reason for the seer to counterclaim. If Lyingbrian was basically going to get lynched anyways...why would we want to out our seer? I don't find this town - like at all.Zindaras wrote:You don't think it's a good strategy for the real Seer not to counterclaim?
I thought that not counterclaiming was the correct strategy. My question here to Yos was "Don't you think it's a good strategy for the real seer not to counterclaim?" which is the same as "Do you think it's a good strategy for the seer to counterclaim."
Look at Post 261 and Post 270. I didn't want to out the seer.
I didn't want the Cop to counterclaim. You're not reading this correctly.
It seems you might be contradicting yourself? I mean you wanted the cop to counterclaim without a doctor, yet you dont think its town behavior to claim cop? :/ please explain?zindaras wrote:2) Do you really think it's town behaviour to claim Cop, in a game without docs?
The point here was that you suggested that LyingBrian was a normal Republican who claimed President. I asked you if you thought that was something a Republican would do.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Personally, I'm pretty damn sure that germy is scum. What kind of scum? Why should I care? They all need to die.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Well, that's lynch, I guess.
Bye, germy. It was nice playing with you.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Quite surprising, I really thought he was the last Commie.
Personally, if I have to pick one Islamist, I'd say Norinel. Friday flew under the radar very very much.
Yos/TSQ/sprontalic are other options for Islamists, in my opinion.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Ahhh, that figures.
I thought it was twilight, not actually night.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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So I give you the most town vibes and you FoS me?
That's odd.
I was no sheep yesterday. I made my case against germy. I stated it quite clearly.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Personally, I hadn't even thought about the possibility of Commies doing a no hit...
I also disagree with you a bit. I don't think Islamists will play like regular townies. In my experience, Cultists (and your comparison of this to a Cult is quite correct) tend to lay low a lot more than plain ol' townies. Which is also why I suspect chamber got hit Night 1.
Therefore I'm looking at those guys, mainly.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I think I said this somewhere, but I thinkThestatusquo wrote:So you think we ought to be going after lurkers (Oh boy...) please be more explicit about your suspicions.Lucresiasprontalic/Norinel/Yos is the most likely scumgroup.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Actually, scratch that list. I need to do a re-read to get a feeling for this game.
It would also be a good town play. Besides, this is quite ridiculous. The discussion before that vote clearly led up to it. I voted for these reasons:Norinel wrote:The main thing that caught me on the read was Zindaras. He was the second to vote for LyingBrian after Nai's second or third comment his direction, which'd be a good Islamist play if he caught the seer vibes from Nai as an easy anti-Communist direction to lead the town. (And it's easiest for the Islamists to spot the seer and Communists since they can already rule two more people out than any townie can)
This has absolutely nothing to do with Nai.I find his behaviour Day 1 scummy, and his insistence that SL deserved to be lynched even scummier. And I very, very much dislike the way he's been responding to my posts. He apparently doesn't want to give his opinions on other players because he's rebellious, which is an absolutely ridiculous argument.
What I found more interesting afterwards were his repeated calls for people to vote. Day 2, the town was already only 50% pro-town, and every vote even then could be critical.Zindaras wrote:
I don't understand this line at all.sprontalic wrote:I think the whole deal with Rasta is the biggest thing we have yet.
I don't like the amount of players who aren't voting, and I'd like to see a reduction in their numbers.Zindaras wrote:Pressure Vote: friday-13th
I think both friday and Lucresia should post before a hammah is cast.
I don't know about Brian anymore. It is a claim, but as I said, no Seer-vibes from him. Come to think of it, his investigation doesn't make any sense at all. Why, of all people, Cadre?
I think I'll vote Brian (yay for stream of consciousness posts), but I want friday and Lucresia to post first.
Those are the relevant quotes (assuming I didn't miss any). The last one was in response to TSQ asking if we minded if he hammered.Zindaras wrote:I don't mind a hammer, personally.
Not just that. Not only is your repeated point horribly incorrect, one of the quotes is trying to get people to post. As for "trying to pressure people into voting", that is not at all a bad thing. If there's something the Islamists want to do, it's lie low and let the town and the commies duke it out. Not only that, but if townies don't use their votes, it only gives the scum more power.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I hope you get better soon.Lucresia wrote:My continuing sickness is only getting more worse..as I was not at work tuesday, wed, or thursday.
I agree with this statement.I think TSQ is the last commie and no, we shouldnt lynch him today.
I disagree with this. I honestly felt germy was scum, and I think I gave enough reasoning for my vote. If anyone, we should be looking at the bandwagoners.We have no choice but to lynch an islamist. I think the people on Germy's wagon were suspicious. Play should have been more cautious.
Well, that answers that.In the meantime please note that I do hear the people stating they had legitimate reasons for voting Germy. Although I don't necessarily believe it right now, I will go through and take the time to reread posts concerning this.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Meh, this is just where you and I disagree. I think it's better when people vote. After all, that's the point of the game. Of course, there are situations where it's better not to (you'll note, for example, that I'm not clamouring for votes in the situation we find ourselves in now), but in the situation we were in at that time, voting was an inherently good thing.Norinel wrote:I'll concede "repeated"; error in my notes from the long read. Still, pressuring people to vote is a bad thing in a situation where every vote can matter a whole lot. The obvious case is the classic lynch or lose, where we are now, but since the town hasn't had a majority since the start of Day 2, there's no reason not to be cautious. And once a scum group's half of the votes required to lynch (As the Islamists have been since Day 2), misplaced townie votes give the scum more power.
Now now now.sprontalic wrote:Well I don't doubt that one or two would've piled on as an attempt to bandwagon, but if that's the case it's most likely Zind since he's the last to pile on. I can't imagine the first two being a bandwagoning attempt and I've basically said from day 1 that I was suspicious of germy which was only confirmed by lyingbrian being scum.
If there was any bandwagoning going on, it was you doing it. I explained my vote thoroughly, even to germy's satisfaction, while the point you made when you voted was quickly rebuttaled, after which you came with the lame, unarguable "I thought you were LyingBrian's scumpal all along."
FoS: sprontalic
I most definitely did not bandwagon, and I find your statement that I did quite scummy.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I smell a hypocrite.
Zindaras wrote:Okay, I reread the game, and a couple of things caught my eye:
-TSQ. He defended SL throughout most of the day, then suddenly, out of the blue, hammered him.
-germy. He added little content throughout the day and put SL on Lynch-1.
-Friday-13th. She was the first to vote SL and never added a lot afterward.
-Lucresia. Was very insistent on lynching SL.
I'm not entirely sure I like the way LyingBrian has been playing either. I'll go ahead andFoS: germy, Lucresia Friday-13thandVote: TSQuntil he comes up with a good explanation for hammering ShadowLurker.
You're saying that you're clean from bandwagoning because you posted suspicions before, but you completely fail to read my earlier posts (I argued quite a bit with germy Day 2). I've been on germy's behind for a long time (in fact, the first quote here was my first content in the thread). That's why I FoSed you.Zindaras wrote:germy and LyingBrian, I want from you nice little lists with opinions on every player in the game.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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In this, rebutting yoursprontalic wrote:I'm not hypocritical, I'm simply rebutting your arguement.ownargument.
Ergo, hypocritical because you're attacking me while I have an obviously similar defense to yours, which you would've seen if you'd have bothered to read the thread...
Or you just wanted to ignore it.
So, then, how are you cleared of bandwagoning? Because you weren't the last one to jump on but the next-to-last? Oh, my, now that's irrefutable proof that you didn't bandwagon.I never claimed that you didn't give a reasoning, I just said that you would be the most likely becuase you were the last to jump on.
You say I'm most likely the bandwagoner because I was the last one to jump on, and you're clearing yourself because you have a defense against not bandwagoning. That's hypocritical.
Besides you're FoSing me because I'm sayingifanyone was bandwagoning it's most likely you.Ifis the crucial word there because I was against looking specficially at the bandwagon against germy as the means to finding the islamists since I don't believe it would mean anything. Thank you though since you've basically proven my point about why it's redundant to say that those on the bandwagon are necessarily scum.
Read it again.Well I don't doubt that one or two would've piled on as an attempt to bandwagon, but if that's the case it's most likely Zind since he's the last to pile on. I can't imagine the first two being a bandwagoning attempt and I've basically said from day 1 that I was suspicious of germy which was only confirmed by lyingbrian being scum.No doubt. You are definitely saying someone bandwagoned here, and you are definitely pointing the finger at me, specifically.
Ooooh, so now you didn't even agree with it, now that I've rebutted it.Still your reaction to my vague accusation (which I didn't even really agree with, but was merely expanding discussion)
So I've rebutted one of your arguments, so you pull something else from thin air.is very interesting and makes me believe that you may be scummier than you've make yourself look before.
I can definitely see a sprontalic/Norinel/X Islamist group right now.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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The argument you used against me could, and should, be used against you, too.sprontalic wrote:No I didn't rebut my own argument, I rebutted yours. This is what you said (with key phrases bolded)
Since when is the fourth vote the most probable bandwagoning vote? I personally use 2-5.Hence my argument is that you were the last to vote, hence most probable to bandwagoning.
Oh great, now I'm scum because I didn't get the opportunity to vote germy before that post. It was, after all, my first post since the restart.And bandwagon isn't a keyword since it's used in the sense of joining the wagon, not joining without a reason (everyone on that bandwagon had a reason, and I'm pretty sure I acknowledged that on the last page).
So you, who did something, are town, according to yourself, and you're attacking me for exactly the same thing.I never said I didn't bandwagon. I agree that to a neutral observer I'd be as guilty as you. Thing is I've read the little role PM from Kelly Chen which means I know what role I have. Unless I'm trying to make myself lose why would I name myself?
Yup. Definitely a hypocrite.
Cry me a river. I get aggressive a lot. That's what I'm known for. And moreso as town than as scum. Town can afford to be aggressive. Scum not. And if you don't agree with something, then you should make that clear right from the start. Posting arguments you don't agree with yourself is a scummy action.1) You over defended when I was merely making the point that if someone had been bandwagoning germy (which I never agreed with, it was simply to explore Norinel's idea) it would most likely have been you. I didn't FOS you, I merely named you. Notice how the only reason against you was that you were the last the vote, which is why and only why I named you. All of a sudden you pull out the overdefensive "I had a reason for that vote, but you didn't therefore you're scummier than me in that regard". I'll admit though that my post was rather misleading with the "don't doubt" bit.
You say you're not bandwagoning because you had already said you thought he was scum before. Yet, you say I was the most likely bandwagoneer, even though I did the same. Ergo, hypocrite.2) You turn my rebuttal back on me with a red herring. I was never being hypocritical by showing how I'd always been against germy then ignoring the fact that you had too. The burden of proof is not whether you had any ongoing reason against germy, it was simply that you were the last on the wagon. Now this was made very clearly in my post, yet you somehow managed to bend the argument this way. It seems to me like an attempt at retaliating against me by trying to implicate me as scum.
That's not what it looked like from here.3) You turned someone small and insignificant to something unnecessarily large. Point is I made a passing comment that was used to raise discussion and explore ideas. Basically I was saying "I don't agree with this idea, but if I had to look into this idea, I would think this". Somehow you misread it as "I agree with this idea, hence I strongly agree with this",
And that is scummy how?which is clearly an over-reation and overdefensiveness at work.
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Opinion on sprontalic-me debate? You seem to be neutral on the matter, but I want it black on white.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Exactly. I'm not liking Norinel right now. Not one of his posts since he's arrived in the game has had me thinking town.Yosarian2 wrote:Well, you might not have been "sold" on him, but you didn't say anything against the bandwagon either before the day ended yesterday.
I suggest we all FoS who we would like to vote right now, because voting would be silly, but we do need to get somewhere. I'd like toFoS: Norinel.
For the rest, I'm not really sold on anyone's alignment. I think TSQ's town and sprontalic is probably not a Communist.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Yos, I direct you to this post:
Answer plzkthxbai.Zindaras wrote:I suggest we all FoS who we would like to vote right now, because voting would be silly, but we do need to get somewhere. I'd like toFoS: Norinel.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Let me go over it again:
This is ridiculous. What you're basically implying is that I decided, Page 7/8 (where my argument with LyingBrian started), that Nai was the President and, thus, start the argument with LyingBrian which eventually led to my vote Page 9.Norinel wrote:The main thing that caught me on the read was Zindaras. He was the second to vote for LyingBrian after Nai's second or third comment his direction, which'd be a good Islamist play if he caught the seer vibes from Nai as an easy anti-Communist direction to lead the town. (And it's easiest for the Islamists to spot the seer and Communists since they can already rule two more people out than any townie can)
If you wanted to say anything using this, it would be far more likely that I was a Communist, because I'd know LyingBrian's alignment in that case. Instead, you decide I'm Islamist.
Focus on people on the bandwagon, ergo, people who weren't him. Scum includes Communist. What you're doing here is a broad statement, saying "1-3 of those people are scum" (which is, by the way, almost impossible not to be true, whatever random group of 4 people in this game you pick). No specifics, so you can go for whoever seems best later.Norinel wrote:
But it looks like the kind of mutual agreement that's a pile-on influenced by scum- maybe a townie or two had it against germy going into the day, but there had to be at least one scum in that first run of votes, most likely more. (Well, if you're a townie other than Y2, TSQ, spront, or Zind, you know at least two of them are)sprontalic wrote:Also I don't think TSQ ever led the charge towards germy's lynch. In fact no one did, it was mutually agreed upon.
For example:
At least 1 of Norinel, Zindaras, Thestatusquo and KingPin is scum.
Look at my scumcatching powars!
Paranoia regarding voting, thinks I'm scummy for putting pressure on lurkers (his predecessor, friday, was among those who I pressured to vote/contribute Day 2). Focuses on the downside of voting, wants to remain cautious. As I said when he made this post, this isNorinel wrote:I'll concede "repeated"; error in my notes from the long read. Still, pressuring people to vote is a bad thing in a situation where every vote can matter a whole lot. The obvious case is the classic lynch or lose, where we are now, but since the town hasn't had a majority since the start of Day 2, there's no reason not to be cautious. And once a scum group's half of the votes required to lynch (As the Islamists have been since Day 2), misplaced townie votes give the scum more power.exactlywhat the Islamists want to do (not have to vote and let the Commies and Townies kill each other of) andexactlywhy I have been pressuring people to post and have been forcing debates.
You're trying to force caution upon the town. You're not even trying to get people to post, no, caution is far more important. Let's all not vote anymore so we can't misplace our votes!
There is no point to this post. It leaves all the interpretation up to the rest of the town and allows Norinel to keep a flexible opinion on KingPin, depending on what the rest of the town thinks of it.There's a sort of repetition of the obvious here, but I'm not sure what it means. Of course if we lynch Islamist today, we're not lynching Communist, and since we need to lynch Islamist today to win if we lynch at all, we can't lynch the last Communist.
Again, focus on a broad group, focus on people that aren't him. If you weren't sold on germy, you should've said so in your first post. Instead, you merely stated his claim was redundant. You never said germy shouldn't be hammered, which would have been the logical thing to say there, looking at what you're saying here. Instead, you said nothing which could be interpreted as either for or against germy, again leaving room for change later.Norinel wrote:Part of my point that started the whole spront-Zin thing was that we weren't all agreed germy was. Four people voted for him in their first post, but that's not everyone, and not a majority. (Coincidentally, it's exactly how many scum there are left, but I think there might've been one or two misled town among the germy-voters) I know I wasn't sold on germy, and I don't see anything that says KP and Lucresia (The other two not voting him) were approaching sold either. I'm growing more and more convinced that the Islamists are trying to get away with the germy lynch by pushing the "Of course he was an idiot" thing.
Redundant, as it requires the assumption that Norinel is town. Again, this is like picking a random group of 4 other people and saying one of them is Islamist.Norinel wrote:Just by the numbers, I know there's at least one Islamist and two scum on the germy bandwagon. (Since there are only three townies and the Communist, and I know I'm a townie)
Again, requires the assumption that there was more than one Islamist on the bandwagon, whichIf there were two or three Islamists, which I'd be inclined to think was the case, lynching randomly from the germy bandwagon is better than lynching randomly from the entire town.we do not know. Again, focus on a broad group. Again, it's slyly leading us away from him.
Or they could, y'know, just sit back and watch the show.And since the Islamists were just two lynches away from winning, if they could force the lynch on germy easily and write it off the next day by treating it like it was an obvious choice.
You responded to something on the same page. You did not advocateWhat about them, other than 360? As for yesterday, germy had self-voted before I had time to read everything. I wasn't going to cast or advocate for a lynching vote without the context.againsta hammer either. That is quite important. You said absolutely nothing yesterday, and now you're acting like you knew germy was town.
So we shouldn't do anything, we should just sit here and wait for a deadline or something?That'll also conveniently let the Islamists know which non-Islamists suspect others and which they need to push for the bandwagon.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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You have not stated anything particularly directed against anyone on the germy lynch. You're simply stating we should be looking there, but you're not going into any specifics. You're not trying to catch scum, you're trying to direct the town. You're saying "There's scum on the germy wagon!". Not who, not why. You leave that up to others.Norinel wrote:1. I don't advocate lynching randomly from the bandwagoners. I don't evendirectlyadvocate lynching from the bandwagoners today. What I've been trying to say that you've been twisting around is that we shouldn't give everyone on the germy bandwagon a free pass for doing so.
You're ignoring the first lynch here. Let's take a look at it.2. The numbers in this game at the moment are weird, partially because of the town nonmajority since Day 2 (Which I'm surprised people don't anticipate more, given how often it happens in the classic 3 mafia + SK mini) and minority now. I throw around numbers to try to give an idea of theabsolute minimumnumber of scum in certain groups, given certain perspectives, and try to reason that if a group did something suspicious, then there might be more scum than the absolute
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4 people proposing a SL lynch (TSQ hopping on because of a running gag) that are still alive (friday/you, Cadre/Yos, Lucresia, KingPin). The same logic that, according to you, applies to the germy lynch, applies to this lynch as well, yet you are completely ignoring it. In fact, the only thing you've done with Day 1 is LyingBrian's counting post.Kelly Chen wrote:Vote count
7 - Shadowlurker (friday-13th, Cadre, Lucresia, KingPin, LyingBrian, germy, Thestatusquo)
2 - Kingpin (Nai, Shadowlurker)
2 - LyingBrian (chamber, sprontalic)
not voting: Rastapopoulos
You have completely ignored the ShadowLurker lynch, which would be a nice thing for you to do, if you're Islamist. Pull attention to the germy lynch, and lead the town to ignore the ShadowLurker lynch, one where you were on.
Or are you saying that ShadowLurker got rightfully lynched and it wasn't a scummy thing to do?
You're throwing out very lopsided numbers.
1) Every cop with a guilty results acts differently.It was a possibility, especially given that, in retrospect Nai's post 155 has the kind of certainty that people can get cop-with-guilty-result from
2) One does not have to be a Cop to be that sure. I've pulled the same gig myself, as normal town, just to see who'll jump on it.
Completely wrong, again. The other Communist would've had the biggest advantage in picking up these tells, because he'd know LyingBrian was Commie. The Islamists have two unsurities, the Communist only one.and the Islamists have the biggest advantage in picking up tells because they can rule out possibilities and gain something from supporting any certain-looking vote that doesn't involve them.
And I'm to blame or something? Because I masterfully played into Nai's coptell, got LyingBrian close to being lynched, then tricked Nai into counterclaiming, thus making an awesome play for the Islamists?And the way things turned out is a pretty good deal for the Islamists, since they got a free lynch and nightkill that couldn't've hit any of them.
I wish I were that good.
I'll direct you, for example, to Post 270, where I said I'd be voting Brian. To the fact that I was asleep at the time Nai counterclaimed and had little influence on that.
Y'know, that'd work better when you actually do that. I haven't seen you look at the 'wagon, at the arguments.Also, "go[ing] for whoever seems best later" can also mean trying to figure out which ones are most likely to be scum.
Let me propose a hypothetical situation. You and I are both non-Islamist (note that this is not an implausible situation. Number-wise, there's a 50% chance that any non-Islamist player attacks any other non-Islamist player). What will the Islamists be doing?The rewards almost always outweigh the risks, but you've been asking people who aren't voting to vote in a nonmajority situation where the Islamists are most likely to understand the numbers and gain the most from exploting them. Why would the Islamists not want to vote? They know exactly who needs to be lynched for them to win.
Exactly, they're going to sit on their behinds and let us duke it out, then pick up the spoils.
I've been asking for contribution all game, for the same reason I gave to LyingBrian when he refused to make a list:It forces scum to state opinions. If there's something scum likes, it's flexibility. And voting takes away a lot of flexibility.
Observations are nothing without interpretations.That's what they call an observation.
So the logical pro-town thing to do was to say that you didn't want to see germy hammered yet, but wait until you had reread the thread.The redundant claim was also an observation. Again, I didn't form an opinion becauseI hadn't read the thread yet.
See above.I didn't say anything because I hadn't decided yet, because I hadn't read the thread.
"I know I wasn't sold on germy."I didn't know germy was town. My point with the "not sold" comment was that not everyone agreed he was scum at the time, and it doesn't seem like a majority agreed he was scum.
Looks to me like you thought germy was town.
Then you should suggest your alternative, instead of bottling it up.I didn't say we shouldn't do it, just that it'd be convenient for the Islamists. (And, of course, I stated my suspicions right after the bit you quoted) And everyone picking the person they would vote for isn't the only way to progress in the endgame.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Norinel, Yosarian2: I'd like to see lists from you, like the ones I asked from LyingBrian and germy.
Thestatusquo, Lucresia, KingPin: I want to see more contribution from you.
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Reveal them?Thestatusquo wrote:I'm just watching the sparks fly, and watching my reads get firmer for now, zin.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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List, Yos.
Every post I see from you that doesn't include the list is bringing you closer to a vote.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Reread the argument between LyingBrian and me about this.Yosarian2 wrote:
No, Zind, I'm not going to make a list. I'd think you'd have figured that out by now.Zindaras wrote:List, Yos.
Every post I see from you that doesn't include the list is bringing you closer to a vote.
I really don't think it's a good idea for me to make a list right now. If I list 3 people I think are scum, and I'm wrong about one or two of them of them, then that makes it much easier for the scum trick the town into voting for the wrong guy and causing a mislynch, and a game loss. I'm especally not going to make a list when there are several people who have yet to make much of a contrabution today, because then they'd be able to just jump on and say "Yeah, I was thinking X all along, good work Yosarian!" So, no, I'm not going to make a list of every single person in the game and what I think of them, at least not before we've heard some real content from the semi-lurkers.
Now, I'd hope you'd be smart enough not to put a vote on someone in a lynch or lose situation just because they're not going to go along with your plan, but whatever, do what ya gotta do.
I think you're scum. Ergo, this is only good for the town. If someone jumps on another's opinions, he's going to look scummy (which would again be a victory for the lists).ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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But as not doing it is a scumtell, you get to look a lot scummier. Your opinions are very unclear at the moment, and I want them to become clearer.Yosarian2 wrote: What a worthless argument. Because, you see, I know I'm not scum, so I don't think it's for the good of the town. Duh.
The only other guy ever to have refused to make a list for me is Brian, in this game. He was scum.And since when do you "think I'm scum"? You have not attacked me all game, and the only reason you've given suspect me is because I'm not willing to go along with your plan. So that line feels looks to me to be very much like it a random attack designed to increase suspicion on some random person who's not you.
Look at it like a mass claim. The scummiest go first, then the less scummy.Not really. Especally not if they're currently lurking and haven't said anything at all yet today, there's no way to tell if they're following my list or if they already thought that. Especally if they're making vauge comments like this.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
68 Wins, 71 Losses
Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
Cult: 0 Wins, 1 Loss
Cultivated: 4 Wins, 0 Losses
59 Survived, 31 Lynched, 60 Killed-
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Zindaras Mr(s) Popularity
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