That post makes no sense to me, Relyte.
Relyte wrote:He starts jumping at whoever is scummiest at the time.
1.) How is the town supposed to catch scum if people do not jump on "the scummiest people"? This is no reason to lynch
anybody
. If I tried to falsely make somebody look scummy, that is a completely seperate accusation (one in which I would definitely ask for even one example of), but here is something you ought to know:
Jumping on scummy people is what townspeople are supposed to do.
2.)
Relyte wrote:Then his post, about "worst" town, just made him look like, you're stupid if you lynch me. I don't like PJ at all.
I agree with the first half. You are either scum, stupid, or very misled if you lynch me. What do you expect me to say?
3.) That was a
horrible
post, especially considering the fact that you are know "jumping" on me (who you see as "scummy"), which is something you apparently find scummy when
other
people do it.
4.) I have also just noticed that Thok and Al_Kohaulec attacked me for when I voted you, Relyte, while afterwards saying that if you claimed anything at all, it would be a Townie if you were town. They apparently find it suspicious that I was "voting for somebody I thought was town" (which is untrue), but nobody mentioned your your comments during your argument with M4yhem. Specifically, the fact that you were voting for him while also saying "but I think we are townies bickering". Unfortunately, those posts have been deleted.
So let's see, who has voted for me (not necessarily those who are voting me currently)?
Thok
Rosso
CrashTextDummie (Tyfo)
Al_Kohaulec
M4yhem (Seol)
Relyte (LoudmouthLee)
I am very much a believer of deconstructing bandwagons for information, and I am of the opinion that
at least
two scum have voted for me. Since I believe this game only has a mafia group (as I clearly expressed at the beginning of the game), depending on the make-up of the scum group, it is possible for the third scum (if the mafia is the traditional three players) is either trying to distance from his/her partners, or it is also possible that they are all trying to get me lynched.
I have a few theories, and trying to decide between them is difficult.
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Theory #1
: I have been getting a vibe between Relyte + M4yhem, and it came primarily from their argument which took up an entire page and has since been deleted. Relyte "attacked" M4yhem, but during this attack, he constantly said "but I feel we are two townies bickering", and then analyzed all four possible situations (even those situations which allowed Relyte to be scum) and once again decided that M4yhem was probably a Townie. After they have now essentially IGMEOY'd each other and waved fingers threateningly, they are coalescing onto my wagon based on others' reasoning, and M4yhem used
horrible
logic in order to "believe" Relyte's claim of Townie (which boiled down to "If
I
were scum, I would have claimed a power role, so Relyte is probably town").
I cannot pin down a third mafiate if this is the case. If I am lynched, this is the first place I would want to kick with a steel-toed boot, although I would more emphatically suggest:
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Theory #2
: Thok is trying to take "the hard road" in lynching people who have been known as "exceedingly difficult to lynch", such as myself and mith. Although he is obviously consistent with his damned metagame lynches (which is ironic since I don't think he can read me whatsoever, and I don't think I can read him very well either), I really feel like he has been pulling a lot of things out of his ass. Five big examples of this are:
A.)
My refusal to unvote Thok during the random voting stage. There is absolutely no problem with this, and it is not scummy. Thok, however, kept pushing the issue, as if it were larger than it truly is.
B.)
Thok then claimed I was "avoiding his questions", here:
Thok wrote:I will admit that I am trying to bait you a bit for reactions/clarification; but it bothers me that you took like three posts to actually get my point (which I thought was clear; maybe others will disagree).
When it should be pretty clear I was
trying
to answer his questions. This is not the first time I have been accused of "avoiding the question", and I sincerely urge you to read Gmk's posts against me in Most Mountainousest. Sometimes I address posts how I interpret them, and that can be different than what the author of the post intended.
C.)
Thok has tried to paint me into being "more OMGUSy than usual", which I think is a completely unsupported metagame, and in fact, I have shown
five seperate games
to disprove that theory. Thok has actually yet to address whether or not he believes I am not OMGUSy as town.
D.)
Thok has tried to use the fact that I am "not as thorough as he would expect" against me, when I am fairly sure he is more than aware that I do not have an infinite amount of time to be as thorough as humanly possible. I try to keep up with games and post as I see fit, and that's all I promise to do in any given game. It's not my job to summarize everything that ever happens and then give my opinion on it, which seems to be a role people put me in automatically place me.
E.)
Thok has recently tried to compare my play in this game to my play in Back to Gambits II, and after I asked him to explain that statement, his response was:
Thok wrote:Really, it's all the backtracking to justify stuff, and all of the craplogic I fell you are giving out. It's also a case to observe that I do know how you respond to being attacked as scum. (Now that I think about it, I have seen you attacked when you were town, Ms Satanic Nun.)
Which did not satiate my curiosity.
1.) I do not believe I have backtracked whatsoever, and Thok has given no examples of why he believes this to be so. I may have changed my mind on things, but I have not
changed the reasoning for any of my actions
, which
is
the sort of backtracking I did in Back to Gambits (I first claimed I did my "list" for one reason, then changed it to a second reason, and then warped that into a slight third reason).
2.) Thok has not given one example of my "craplogic" this game. I can see how he might TRY to make my suspicions of Rosso look like crap, but after I cited the Pie C9 game, Thok admitted that I had a point and that I was not simply making things up as I went along to suit my purposes, which invalidates his statement that I have used "craplogic".
3.) Thok finished off his post with his ATTEMPT at saying "he knows how I respond when I am town", but when I actually elaborated on that, and after he read the game,
he changed his mind and realized that I very much AM OMGUSY as town
.
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Thoery #3
:
It might also be the case that the primary people attacking me (who I see as Thok and CTD) are simply misled townspeople, and scum are trying to take immediate advantage of the situation. Should this be true, I think the most likely culprits to be one or both of Al_Kohaulec or Rosso. I was very disturbed with Al_Ko's immediate jump onto me after Thok falsely said I was "voting for somebody I thought was town" without giving any further detail. This could have been his attempt to slide onto the bandwagon as inconspicuously as possible. What is more disturbing about this theory is that early in the game, Al_Ko asked Rosso point blank "who should we HAMMAH today", and altough I can certainly believe this at an attempt at humor, I have seen cheeky scum banter with each other early in games exactly like that.
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People who are probably town:
mith (I reviewed my thoughts on him and his following, and have changed my mind)
CrashTextDummie (albeit very disillusioned)
People I have very little read on:
Machiavellian-Mafia
AmeliaSlay [and her replacement, whoever that is]
PookytheMagicalBear
Cogito Ergo Sum
People I am mildly suspicious of:
Rosso Carne
Al_Kohaulec
People I am seriously considering:
Relyte
M4yhem
Thok
In conclusion,
Vote: Thok
. Of Relyte and M4yhem, I think Relyte has the better chance of being scum, despite his claim and LML's actions towards me (and believe me, I have seen
plenty
of games where scum have claimed Townie). I think I am better off hunting for one scum than trying to possibly catch two scum in the act when the chances of that are statistically low. This will probably only seal my own doom, but I don't particularly mind it in this game so much.