IH wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure what you're asserting, if anything, here. Most of this post is fluff and not really helpful/contributive. Mr Stoofer has been far more helpful/useful.
Please excuse what will be later on called, "WIFOM." But if I was scum, would I really make a stupid decision and say, "I'm allied with Pooky 4 Life."
I've already said, Pooky is not a leader to me but an influential figure.
Please do not try and twist our words to get someone lynched. I don't think most scum is THAT stupid, allying with other scum early in game.
Unvote Vote: IH
WHAT!?!?!
1.That wasn't even an IH quote.
2.You go on to say to excuse you for what will later be wifom, and then put a vote on your WIFOM logic...
3.That was VERY WIFOM-y logic.
Also, here's one thing of content from Cephrir.
Cephrir wrote
Thesp really isn't making much sense, and he definitely isn't helping with his one-word answers.
Thesp: Why are you convinced Pooky is town?
Relyte
You are accusing me of being scum. I never said they won't, but allying with them proves rather easy for Pro-Town in later parts of the game.
and It was phrased awkwardly a bit, I did write it though, so I must have known what I was talking about though. What I meant to say is, that most scum would distance rather than ally. (WIFOM, I know.) I am comparing our situation to the game. Now, I'm not saying we are Mafia, I'm comparing it to the game. Most scum does not ally with other scum. If Thesp and I, and whoever else said, yes (Which I've already defended myself.) are allied with Pooky does that make us scum? No. Lynch me and find out.
What's the big deal? Pooky proposed being leader, some of us said yes, that doesn't mean our leader is a good guy. Was Napoleon a good guy? He took over countries, killed men. He was a good guy in a sense, he helped out France, but he was a bad guy at the same time.
It's not like Pooky will not be considered as scum. I'm willing to lynch Pooky as much as the rest of you. It's not like as a leader he'll be hard to find out. If we keep lynching Pro-Town players, duh.
I'm sick of you guys pointing fingers at us just because you need victims to point fingers at.
Which is why I keep my vote on IH. You, Patrick, and Vitamin are too suspicious. Pooky asked us questions. Including whether he doesn't mind him being a "leader" per se.
I can only make one side happy. The accusers or the accused.
Either Pooky will be against me, or you three will.
SUSPICIOUS! Relyte seems in this post that he's trying to make everyone 'happy' with his post, and think he's town. He might have known what he's talking about, but so do scum, so that's not anything good.
Then you accuse us of being to suspicious, by pointing fingers at people to much.
So... people who aren't pointing fingers, barely contributing, and making people happy, or essentially lurking or posting nothing, are NOT suspicious?
Also, Patrick is right in his post below.(just an excerpt)
Patrick wrote
What's the big deal? If our leader is scum, you don't see that as a problem? Sheesh. How is Napoleon relevant to this?
Now I can see how Napoleon is relevant, but I agree, since you continued your WIFOM-y logic (If we're scum, why would we ally with other scum? Scum wouldn't do that!) you asked what the big problem was that you said yes to Pooky being a leader. What if you're leader's scum?!?
for that post, Relyte earns an
FoS
from me, since my vote is on Nightfall right now.
Relyte wrote:
Are you just assuming that I want him as leader? As you'll see I said before, I am only taking his knowledge into mind, just let him say he's leader, let him be happy. As for Napoleon... lots of schoolwork lately... eh...
AS for the shortsighted part. Well, I'm sorry that I write my posts in five minutes, I think it's common sense that we lynch Pooky if he's scummy. Need I elaborate?
Fine, fine. You don't need targets, but everytime I defend myself, I get attacked more. What do you want from me?
I'm grouping you three together because you're all paranoid and act 90+% sure Thesp, Pooky, or I are scum, all because we grouped together by saying, "Pooky will be 'okay' as leader." Thesp and Pooky, kind of a little more supportive, but at least that's what I said.
No, I am not OMGUS voting, I truly think IH is scummy. You want proof?
Let me know.
This post made me laugh, especially the bottom asking about proof. You're sorry you write your posts in five minutes? That means you should think out your actions more. If you keep getting attacked for being defensive, wouldn't you later connect that being overly defensive is scummy?
Then in the bottom, you continue to discourage a theory that is totally possible, and if anyone really brought it up, you could say that it was wifom, but you shot your defense the same way by making it even MORE wifom.
Jl2704 wrote
Agreed. Unfortunately, if we are to progress in the game, someone has to be killed for further analysis. Obviously, I don't want to lynch myself, and it is also the case that Thesp is leading the votes with 3. This vote is not a vote on scummage per se, but more of achieving progression instead of deadlocking the vote.
(eye roll)
I also would like to note, that Relyte was coming under a lot of heat at this time when Jl posted when he did. Nothing substantial, but I'll bring that back up if Relyte comes up scum.
Relyte wrote
This is what I'm talking about, you attack me for every single little thing.
If I don't believe the same thing as you, you'll suspect me, and vice versa.
Anyone can sell out their scum buddies, it's called distancing my friend.
if every little thing is scummmy, I'm going to attack you for it. Stop making it personal. If what you believe is scummy, I'll suspect you also. What did distancing have to do with anything? i truly didn't understand where it came from, but overall.
QUIT MAKING IT PERSONAL!
Nightfall
Posting to show Im still here. Im not sure what to make of the avalanche of recent posts though. jl2704 is looking iffy to me though. And I agree with Patrick's post 99.
-_-; nothin
Relyte wrote
jl2704 wrote:
Mr Stoofer wrote:
FWIW, I don't think Pooky's proposal tells us one way or another whether he is scum. It's just the sort of thing he would do whether town or scum. What is of more interest, IMHO, is people's reactions to the proposal.
Agreed. Unfortunately, if we are to progress in the game, someone has to be killed for further analysis. Obviously, I don't want to lynch myself, and it is also the case that Thesp is leading the votes with 3. This vote is not a vote on scummage per se, but more of achieving progression instead of deadlocking the vote.
I don't like this at all. Sounds scummy, but people make mistakes. Chances are we'll lynch a Townie either way though.
Unvote
oS: jl2704
I'll vote if someone confirms that this is not hammering vote.
pheh, it's like he's scared to throw suspicion on someone. I only say it's scummy, because if could be scared he'll have an attack on him as scum.
Pooky wrote:
vote jl
Relyte's post looks scummy.
As Pooky said.
Ripley wrote
This is a weird game.
Thesp makes a statement (he knows Pooky's alignment) that can only possibly be true if he's scum and declines to explain it.
Relyte says:
Relyte wrote:
No, I am not OMGUS voting, I truly think IH is scummy. You want proof?
Let me know.
... which sounds like the sort of thing you'd only say if you did have proof, which again he can't possibly, since this game is nightless and vanilla. IH says yes please, he would like proof, which Relyte ignores. What this means I don't know, but I think Relyte, who groups IH, Patrick and VitaminR together and accuses them of ganging up to point fingers, and of being paranoid, actually is himself the one who is sounding more and more paranoid. He sounds aggrieved that anyone might express suspicion of him, and if more than one person does so then it must be a conspiracy. (There was only ever 1 vote on him btw.)
I tend to agree with IH that Relyte's remark "I can only make one side happy" was problematic in that it, figure of speech or not, it indicates a mindset that doesn't seem to go with finding scum. It does fit the general sense of paranoia I get from Relyte's posts, the sort of "nothing I do ever makes you happy, you're out to get me" sort of thing. Would this sense of persecution take precedence over the scum-hunting instinct in a protown player?
I was going to say something about Relyte's most recent post and since I started writing this 2 other people have picked up on it already. If Relyte really expects the person he's going to vote for to be protown why is he going to vote for him?
Relyte wrote:
I'll vote if someone confirms that this is not hammering vote.
So you wouldn't mind putting someone at lynch -1 but you'd dodge the responsibility of hammering?
I can't understand jl2704's play at all. One moment I think he has no idea what he's doing and is just pushing various buttons to see what happens. Then I swing towards thinking this is textbook bad newbie scum behavior.
Mr Stoofer wrote:
Patrick wrote:
jl2704's play doesn't make much sense to me so far.
It makes perfect sense if he is scum.
It's almost too blatantly scummy to make perfect sense, but on the whole I think the simplest explanation (bad newbie scum) is likeliest to be the true one. I'd like to hear his defense though, if he has any.
My thought's exactly on Relyte's posts.
Cephrir wrote
I don't think jl's recent actions make any sense whatsoever. I don't know how many votes he's at, though, so FoS: jl, because I don't want to hammer him without letting him claim.
ANYONE WHO HAMMERS JL BEFORE HE CLAIMS WILL BE SERIOUSLY LOOKED AT TOMORROW!
Just had to say that before someone went and did it, because in his game they could claim that it is a newb mistake.
(confused) content here (more than Nightfall still) but I'm getting mixed signals from this. he doesn't vote Jl, because he wants him to claim, but what's he going to do in a nightless game? The not hammer I could understand, but the claim? It's NIGHTLESS and VANILLA, as Patrick states here.
Patrick wrote
Cephir you realise this is a vanilla game right? Nobody is going to claim anything other than townie. I don't like this talk about hammering so early on anyway. We're not deadlined, we never can be deadlined because it would be pointless, and we have plenty more to discuss.
nightfall vote count request. came
People make mistakes, look what I've done right here. My words were badly stated and misinterpreted. Is it not possible Jl's were too? You guys are way to eager to jump on the hammer.
Now, Jl's statements were ridiculously stupid, but excuse more of my "WIFOM" and most scum is smart enough to not say something stupid like that.
@Ripley: I don't want to hammer, because last time I was in a game (was C9 I should say.) and someone hammered without a claim everyone yelled at them. In Scumchat same thing.
Right now, I turn my FoS onto Pooky.
He only wants to satisfy the current crowds. His last post he just votes JL, says I'm scummy. Runs off. He's just hopping on the bandwagons.
Finally, as for IH, as I stated earlier I make mistakes, at this current time, I no longer find IH as scummy as other people, perhaps it was a bit of OMGUSy vote I admit, but I did believe he was partly scummy. I'm glad to give quotes if someone still wants them. Unvote
FoS: Pooky
Defense of Jl, who we know is scum now.
What does he mean by his words were misinterpreted? We took them literally, did they mean, well... something else?
Continues to say he doesn't think I'm scummy, but still has "those quotes"
here's "those quotes"
Relyte wrote
IH wrote:
I'm saying that Pooky and Thesp are ballsy enough to do it.
So far, both Relyte and Thesp have objected to that idea. is my logic off that much, did I hit the nail on the head, or perhaps I'm reading into this wrong...
What does everyone else think of my logic?
Maybe I've interpreted this wrong, but the way I saw this post was he was starting to start bandwagons on the three of us.
"What does everyone else think of my logic?"
IH wrote:
I was actually surprised nobody else saw it myself. Seriously, why does he want to make one side happy? I don't consider that a little thing.
I don't consider Relinquishing the responsibility to find scum a little thing.
This confused me.
Quote:
Anyone can sell out their scum buddies, it's called distancing my friend.
It may be distancing, but it's still the oppisite side of the coin. If he only lynches protown players then he becomes scum.
If he lynches scum does he become protown?
Before accepting his proposal, did you really think it was that black and white was what I was trying to get across.
Also, still waiting for that proof.
He doesn't get it, he's trying to make me look stupid and that I only worship Pooky and am trying to show that I am not.
I'm not stupid, I was a bit hasty saying, "IF he lynches pro-town players he's scum." But I didn't mean it that way. I meant, that if he's doing stupid stuff like that, and other stuff it's not too hard to find him out.
That's all I had on him, and half the problem is I have him in another game which I seem to be mixing up with this one.
But my thoughts on Pooky outweighed the ones on IH, and I unvoted.
No I asked if my logic was wrong, since two people objected to it, I was asking who they thought were wrong, and a bandwagon on the
three
of you? How many people do you think are in this game? Or did you mean three subsequent lynches?
If you're town, you'd probably help us by going over your posts before you post (aka preview) and submit if that's what you mean, because I think it's scummy to go back after someone points something out, and you say "no I mean something else, but you should know what I mean, so you're scummy!"
then in response to Pooky
Relyte wrote
Well obviously your questions made Thesp and I scummy. As well as you. Chances are at most one of us is scum. By doing this though you lured others into the trap.
I will admit, sometimes I do OMGUS vote, my emotions make the better of me. This is not one of them.
....(not following logic)
Relyte Wrote
Think what you want. I misinterpret you just as you misinterpret me I guess.
....... Moving on.
Then a little bit of confusion from Thesp.
Thesp wrote
Right now I'm pegging one of Ripley or Relyte to be scum, but not both. My guess is Relyte.
FOS: Cephrir.
....... no Cephrir quotes in that post either.
then a contentless post from Nightfall (stating that Thesp likes to spread the blame around)
some discussion about why scum would pile on Jl2704, and the like. Patrick goes on to say, he might want Jl replaced instead of lynched (which his replacement might have talked his way out, but I could see why)
WOAH A POST I MISSED.
Jl2704 wrote
I'm sitting here eating my roast beef sandwich wondering the best way to defend myself.
Am I really scum? Am I really a townie?
The only way to prove any of this concretely is with my lynching.
What does this really accomplish?
You're lynching another player chances are being a townie, 75% of the time.
That's a huge chance to be taking based on my comment, "Let's get the game going and hit the lynch bandwagon."
Think about this from my point of view.
I really don't know anyone on the boards. I've just started to play this game rather seriously since April. I wanted to kick start things just by going on the bandwagon.
Am I being punished for jumping on the initial vote on Thesp because I'm scum or because you're so paranoid to over analyze everything and turn a new player into your next mob justice?
Frankly, lynch me if you want. It doesn't concern me that I'm being sacrificed for the greater good.
BUT.
Think about all the people who changed votes so quickly. Without even clear cut reasoning, a simple "oh that's obvious enough for me, you get thrown in the gutter" comment was made by one individual and I get voted off the island.
*throws hands in the air in frustration*
then post 151 from Brian Mcqueso (which is wifom
Now it's becoming a conspiracy theory? Do you guys realize how ludacris that sounds? That Pooky, as scum, is trying to swindle the town so blatantly and openly, and that Thesp, his scum partner, is supporting him so blatantly and openly? What seems scummier to me is the way this whole issue is being played off like it's a serious crime. But what I don't get is:
How do you know thats what they want us to think)
Then a comment that nightfall is willing to hammer (more no content)
Nightfall wrote
Im willing to hammer jl2704, or I was before our little forum break.
But I think we may benefit a bit from refamiliarizing ourselves with the situation first.
I'll hold off at least long enough for people to voice wether JL's last post has swayed anyone.
and then from Cephrir, almost a counter hammer claim (if that makes since)
Cephrir wrote
Obviously, we shouldn't lynch until everyone's here.
This game is kinda interesting, because you can't roleclaim. I don't have anything to say really. I'm not sure we should lynch jl, it just looked like bad play to me, but if everyone wants to, I guess I'm okay with it. Bad play can mean bad scum. I'd unvote, but I don't think there's really any point. Once everyone has checked in, I'll be the one to drop the hammer if pretty much everyone wants me to.
He's not sure we should lynch him, but he's willing to hammer?
Then the end of day 1
I will hammer then...
I just hope this doesn't turn out bad and we end up with an innocent Jl like I had predicted.
Vote: Jl2704
