Mini 1372 - Over

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Will read thread later

N is probably scum.

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I'm not going to answer that because it feels like you are trying to bait me.

Seems like scum; You are trying to trap me ben I did not fall for it, ha! - Its a scum cautious thing, town just don't say things like this.

Not voting for you just yet. I don't want the scum to hammer so quickly.

Is scum; I think you are scum but I don't want to vote you yet in case scum hammers you - Contradicts badly.

His jump on four is pretty bad also its for all the wrong reasons.; see Mcstab for the right ones.

I expect its Guppy/N as scum. The four wagon is meh.

Why N?

Because I did not consider for a second to check the VC before reading thread + his post reads completely fake the last VC is actually quite far back and in a 4 page game it is pretty ridiculous and not town to go looking for it seems more like he wanted to see how he and his buddy were doing.

VOTE: Guppy

Robb/Mcstab/Ben/Dunham are town.

Four seems mehhhhh

Not sure about Sable, not done anything really, content is ok.

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ITT: N is lurker scum.

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Dammit, this is the second game with McStab I've come to make my first post and someone's been at L-1.

That's mean, guys. One day I'm going to just post the hammer and that's it.

This is so fake.
'One day I will be antitown but not here, not today, today I am your friend!' - lol.

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Hes not in the game, no, hes a lost newbie.

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He responded 12 minutes after I posted without thoughts on anything else.

= Lurking.

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Hi N

I see you are voting me, Not very friendly of you

Why have you failed to post anything other than to 'argue' with me?

Your 83 is fairly bad as you imply the 'post or perish' is what told you he was L-1 not the guy saying he was L-1 hence we can see that is not where you got the idea from and in fact did exactly as I said - went back looked at the VC and then made some post about 'oh noes someones at L-1 you meanies!'.

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What do you think of N, Guppy?

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Hi Slandaar

I see you are making shit up, Not very town of you

Why have you failed to post anything other than to 'sling' shit around?

Your 90 is fairly bad as you imply that posting in the thread with content is what told you I was lurking

not the guy asking for a claim from someone he's already wagonned

hence we can see that is not where you not your idea from and in fact did exactly as I said - decided who you wanted to vote for and then made up a reason about 'oh noes someones not posting you meanies!'.

I have read this a couple times and still have no idea what you are saying

You clearly were lurking the 'content' is nothing to do with it; the timing is. What the bolded has to do with you lurking I have no idea.

Who is scum exactly? You think me... and?

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I knew what you were referring to; the point is it doesn't make sense in context.

What do you think of Guppy?

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Which definition of lurking is correct do you think?

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OK, so, what were you doing?

Reading the thread and waiting for something to happen before posting? Not lurking just waiting for something to happen?

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I gave it a quick skim-read, checking for any mention of my predecessor

Why?

I read the current page (page 4 at the time)

I clicked "reply" at the bottom of the page

I realised i didn't have anything to say, so I read the topic review at the bottom of the reply page

What do you need to say? 'Hi catching up now' Thats it, what was the purpose of reading the rest out of context?

There is a vote count there

I can add up

I posted my message

Do you consider 'OH NOES NOT SOMEONE AT L-1 AGAIN!!!' Saying something?

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Four flips town I expect.

If he doesn't its N as buddy, else its Guppy/N.

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Hammer Happens then...

What do you think of N, Guppy?

Frankly, Slan, I don't know what to make of either N or you. It seems like you and him are arguing the way Robb and I did at the top of the thread. I think we (Robb and I) are the same alignment now. But you two, there's just no telling.

Waffle Waffle I argued with Robb we are the same alignment, your argument with N looks exactly the same but I have no idea of your alignment Waffle Waffle.

Scum.

How is quickhammering ever protown?

Doesn't answer my questions.

Quickhammering is never protown! Watch as Four the guy I have not posted my opinion on flips town!

Scum

Lynch them it does not matter which.

VOTE: Guppy

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What?

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oozes fake regret

I regret nothing.

Read as: Dunham town; Guppy Scum.

Yes they are taken out of context a bit but the point is Guppy is saying the regret nothing because Dunham is accusing of fake regret on Robb.

Guppy is trying to towntell to Dunham while voting him.

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@ slander - you definitely seemed more suspicious of N, so why the guppy vote?

Scum Team is N/Guppy.

Literally

That is my reads.

Neither is more suspicious, they just

are

the scum

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This is a bit rich coming from the guy who didn't say anything about Fourseen until

after

the hammer. In fact, you never said anything about Fourseen until after I asked "when is quickhammer protown?" Do you even realise how transparent you are? It's like you were trying to think of a way to discredit me, but then realised you were guilty of the same thing, so you quickly added a comment saying you knew Fourseen was town. The very thing you just accused me of doing, you did worse.

I posted my opinion thanks.

Lets analyse things;
Guppy was voting Four
Four got quickhammered
You say quickhammers are never protown before a flip occurs and your top scumread ie me was off the wagon.

I put all this together and it was pretty obvious what he flips.

Nice try though.

Remind me why you thought he flips town again?

Also, why are you bussing Guppy so hard?

Also, this is hilarious

Its just so obvious.

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This game is hilarious

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Quickhammers (on town) before a claim usually come from town as scum fear the repercussions...

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Lynch N or Guppy I really don't care which they are the scum team and it is really obvious if you read things with them as scum and everyone else as town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: N

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Trying to be Mr.Protown is ridiculously contradictory to your quickhammer.

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What you just said makes no sense.

Give me your reads on N and Guppy with reasoning.

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@Guppy: why are you voting me?

@N: Why are you voting Guppy?

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Making up excuses to vote for you?

Was I indeed?

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It appears N your little story about how you got your 'reads' does not stack up with the facts

You will die now.

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I was voting Guppy ergo I was not making up excuses to vote N; 207 is completely terrible and makes no sense in relation to what I am saying. In 168 he is suggesting I am making things up but not that I am making things up to vote him the 2 are completely different.

Kill him his story about how he obtained his reads is a complete fabrication ie he is scum.

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I used the past tense.

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So what are you asking?

I do not remember asking a question.

I will show you why N is scum later Robb.

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Actually I have a question N

Give me your definition of distancing and bussing.

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distancing and bussing

Write it in your own words; what is the difference?

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OK Lets do some back to basics scumhunting...

Day 1 Final VC (rest are pointless as day was too short)

1.

Slandaar

(1): N
2. McStab (1):

FourseenCircumstance

3. Prof. Guppy (2): Sable Tip,

Slandaar

7.

FourseenCircumstance

(5): McStab,

Benmage

, Prof. Guppy, Dunhamganger, Robbnva

Now lets look at the facts

Only 3 living players were off the wagon
Me, Sable and N.

4 were on
Mcstab, Guppy, Dunham, Robb

The odds are very low both scum were off the wagon. If anyone thinks both scum were off the wagon they should be voting Sable.

If we think about who the worst votes on four were we can pin down who to lynch from

The worst votes were Guppys 'PRESSURE GUIZ PRESSURE' and Robbs 'LOLHAMMERDIEEEEEE' so at least one of [Guppy, Robb] is very likely scum.

Now.

Lets think about if there is any scum off the wagon or all are on.

Slandaar vs N suggests 1 scum is off the wagon strongly as we both are quite adamant the other is scum with amusingly Guppy.

The difference between us is I made a case on him, he just thinks my case is bad.

This is proactive vs reactive, N does not actually post proactively, He did not post any content relating to anyone other than me for a ridiculous stretch of time, he did not post any kind of catchup post, he is scum.

Now we look at our top on the wagon suspects [Guppy, Robb] who works best with N? Well, its Guppy. N is saying Guppy is my buddy because I am right about him and Guppy and so if Guppy ever gets lynched and lets face it, at the start of day2 it really looked like he would and hence N needing to bus, he could then try saying he was right etc.

All you need to do to see N is scum is look at his first dozen posts or whatever in his ISO. He only argues with me, he never posts anything about Four or anything useful, he literally just focuses on me, his introduction to the game was to respond to me calling him scum.

Its very obvious he is scum.

You should all sheep me now.

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I hate the number game.

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Everyone (except Robb) thinks Guppy is scum

Lynch him

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Guppy

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Please Remember: N is guppys buddy.

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Why did you think Guppy was scum again, N?

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lol

You joker

You thought he was scum because you were sure I was bussing, now he flips scum and you don't follow through?

VOTE: N

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Like?

My memory is bad, please enlighten me as to why you thought he was scum independent of me.

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Lets be honest; that isn't legit reasoning, you are just scum who saw your buddy Guppy making it blatantly obvious you are buddies so bussed to try to break the ties at that point everyone was calling him scum anyway so you needed on somehow and that was the point where it had to happen.

N is just not town.

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I think we should massclaim

Lets go.

Order is

N
Robb
Sable
Dunham
Me

N; Claim.

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N: Claim.

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N?

Where did you go?

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N why did you not claim?

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Who is conf town then?

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VT

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Thats hammer and he was probably the scum.

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Jail me Sable.

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No

You Jail Me

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Newbie game:
Cop/JK vs Goon/Goon

here;

Tracker/JK/Neighbouriser vs Goon/X

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Point.

Robb.

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Newbies have Rolecop? always?

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N, be honest, have you read Sables walls?

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Lets say I was scum.

How would me no killing make you look scummier than yesterday Sable?

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That is quite the wall there Sable!

You think I look townier today then?

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Or if Slandaar is scum and wants to make the two of us look scummy.

Actually, the whole night is pretty much a null read for me - it tells me basically nothing.

So, when I asked you how you would look scummier and you gave me a huge wall, you have now gone half circle and decided its in fact null but only when I ask you if you think I look townier.

You couldn't come to this conclusion in the huge wall? (that now is completely pointless)

Seems legit.

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What I just don't understand Sable is how you havn't worked out that if I were scum and nokilled it would be to keep 2 suspects alive with me instead of going into 1v1 lylo.
(I would kill and go 1v1, but you wouldn't know this so etc)

It seems obvious to me that is why you would nokill as scum.

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Did anyone actually get neighboured by Ben?

Good case; the fact he has avoided all of us slapfighers while not being a townread of anyone is quite the feat. Sable was always just kind of there. Probably why Sable was bussing guppy; avoid the headlights of the aggressive townies while gaining towncred when Guppy was inevitably lynched.

His Jailing N 'because he seemed town' is just completely backwards; just like how his analysis today of the nightkills, he sounds intelligent but then takes way too long to come to the very obvious conclusion ie 419.

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He was a day neighbourizer so he could have used it.

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I guess Ben didn't neighbour anyone then

N want to conf town me?

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Nevermind it doesn't actually work

Forgot from your POV Sable could be town and jail me if I lynched Dunham and he flipped town hence I as scum don't hammer Dunham anyway.

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I thought 2 nolynch would be hammer

VOTE: No Lynch

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Sablescum; do you feel no embarassment for these lame tactics at all?

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You ignored me?

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Why did you think it a good idea to jail N whenever it was?

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Why was N most likely to be VT based on posts?

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N you around?

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That is creepy.

Well I have this horrible feeling you are scum but I am never voting you

conftown yourself or win

VOTE: Sable

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UNVOTE: Sable

Yes I know hence I was never voting you but some of the stuff you do...

OK

Now you vote Sable.

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Fact is I am/was in a position if I were scum where I didn't need to trap I had won

either you want to eliminate me from suspects while dunham/sable cross vote or you dont

think about it.

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Sable.

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Do you not trust me N ?

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If Sable is scum its got nothing to do with 451

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I guess I should explain
Fact: Sable said he would Jail Dunham in thread.

If Sable Jails me Sable has to say in thread because if not Dunhamscum can just submit a kill and if Sable jails him nothing happens otherwise the kill goes through (on Sable) then I look like the scum as it would appear Sable Jailed Dunham.

Now, if Sable names and jails me; Dunhamscum would know this and so obviously doesn't kill Sable but might kill you. Then its a pure 1v1 between Dunham and Sable with me deciding vote.

Now lets say I am scum, Sable Jails Dunham again and names him; I obviously don't kill anyone because I would have had to have chosen not to the previous night so why change tactics now? (I would have killed you and never nokilled but that is kind of moot)

Or Sable Jails mescum naming Dunham (or me) and that obviously is that.

Therefore it really does not matter who Sable Jailed as long as he jailed who he named and he did (the key point). 451 is literally pointless and no response will give you any kind of information worth waiting for.

If you would like to see a question that is useful please view 448.

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N look.

This day will go a lot better if you just let me conftown now otherwise you will always worry 'what if Sland is scum'

Just take the leap

I know you would hate to be 'tricked' but this game needs streamlining and this is the answer. Don't think of it as 'what if Sland is scum tricking me' think of it as 'if Sland is scum he had won anyways' It is really that simple.

Then once I am conftown this game becomes so much less of a headache for you/othertownie.

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Never had to lynch in a 4man situation before.

It's really no different to leading out in LYLO though you conftown someone or lose except here you could even vote wrong and still win.

Who is your top town read alive?

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Will be back in an hour to see if I am conftown yet.

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OK I am here

Lets do this N!

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N?

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Well I will reread this over the weekend.

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What do you think about the idea of N voting you to conftown me?

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Progress has been made

Will reread tomorrow figure out who I am voting (probably Sable)

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See how beneficial this is

Now you can read things knowing im town

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N and Slandaar: You two seem way too interested in each other compared to the rest of the players. At present, both of you are voting Guppy and both of you seem to be insisting that the scum team is Guppy with the other one. This screams to me of distancing.

I think that if Guppy is town, there’s a very good chance that the two of you are scum together.

Lets be honest; this was quite ridiculous.

VOTE: Prof. Guppy

Prof. Guppy: Dumbscum, emphasis on the dumb.

Combine this with the fact Sable thinks Guppy is scum (see the vote and the read) it makes the pairing look even more nonsensical. If Guppy is scum why doesn't Sable think one of us is right and its Guppy + (Sland/N)?

you’re making a lot of dumb statements. This could be just plain stupidity, but it also feels like you’re considering your posts carefully before posting them

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this was @guppy; see you can't be making a lot of dumb statements AND be considering your posts carefully.

N and Slandaar: If scum, probably scum together.
Prof. Guppy: Dumbscum, emphasis on the dumb.

Guppy stuff reads like talking about a buddy for being caught; the read on me/N is not a read its a pairing (a terrible one)

It’s also possible that only one of N and Slandaar are scum; in this case I would think the most likely partner is Robb.

Still not actually a read of anykind.

Sable was kind of suggesting N and I were scum but not really, its strange.

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Given that Guppy's already claimed vanilla townie

N: At the time you read this what did you think?

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Sable if I vote you, you will be lynched.

You need to get in here, go through the game, and show me hes scum.

Its down to you to convince me to vote Dunham the chance of me changing my mind without you posting is approaching 0.

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Let me start you off

I'm a townie, by the way. Just wanted you all to know that.

Don't do that.

Coaching.

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during which N states that he was on a scum lynch before the flip. This is worth noting.

Why was this worth noting Sable?

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So I said to myself “One of Dunham and Slandaar is scum, the other is (presumably) telling the truth about being a VT. Both want me to jail Slandaar. If I do, I am doing what the scum wants, and presumably there is a reason they want that, so I should go against the scum’s wishes and jail Dunham instead.”

But it was also what Town wanted so you were going against towns wishes too.

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Don't worry N there is no rush to post.

Deadline is Oct 30th but we can just nolynch if we need an extra 3 weeks to decide who to lynch as Sable isn't going to nk anyone now.

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I am pretty sure its Sable just want to see what you/Sable can dig up on Dunham

Basically he could be scum but its mainly due to a connection with Guppy that Robb kind of elaborated on.

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OK Short to the point case on Sable:

during which N states that he was on a scum lynch before the flip. This is worth noting.

Why was this worth noting Sable?

This was written the day after N was jailed; N should near enough be conftown to Sable.

N said that without qualification (along the lines of “If Guppy flips scum…”,) treating it as a given that Guppy was scum before he had actually flipped, and I often take note of statements like that as possible scumslips. I put that there as much as a reminder to myself on re-reads as anything else.

This is why it was worth noting.

The obvious issue is Sable is saying he thought N might have scumslipped the day after he had jailed N and nearly conf-towned him.

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Lets end it.

VOTE: Sable

I am always voting Sable here no point wasting time.

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Yup Yup, I was thinking of voting about half an hour before you voted, then saw your vote and just know I am always voting Sable the case against him is too strong.

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Luckily I am not gonna be on a comp for the next couple hours or I would be checking this way too much.

Enjoy N

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The framer was to mess with you a bit I assume because town didn't have much power which ended up being effectively none due to the Four lynch. Definitely better to claim VT, brought the spotlight onto yourself claiming JK. If there were another PR then town only needed lynch both claimed PR to win (and that should happen) so it was risky in that sense also.

AP do you read all my games?

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Never played with you as town so can't say.