Mini #367: Endgame'd

[Arafax]

Sweet, first post...

Random Vote : bluemonick

...He was scum in our last game together...

[Arafax]

Sweet, first post...

Random Vote : bluemonick

...He was scum in our last game together...

Um, no, I was? and Why do I have two random votes so fast? the game just started and I havent even posted yet.

8. Bluemonick (Baby Bear/Mafia Goon) Lynched Day 2
Ringing any bells?...Sesame Street Mafia?...Are we lying already?...Haha.

[Arafax]

I'm here, replacing Orton. And, unlike him, I have no life whatsoever. Consider that your good fortune.

Does that mean you'll post a lot?...Yesssss!

[Arafax]

FOS Thestatusquo

Sorry, but putting someone 1 away is scummy no matter what your reason was...Also, you need to pay more attention before you cast your vote.

Mod - VC please?

[Arafax]

Uh...I don't see how the fact that he posted one random vote changes anything. He hasn't participated in any discussion, or added anything

wuffles: My claim was that he was lurking. I.E. Not adding anything to the discussion, the fact that he random voted once before the post in question does not do anything to weaken that claim.

So are you saying that you thought that it was a good idea to vote Elias and put him one away from a lynch because he wasn't posting?...IMO, some of you posts claim that you made a dumb mistake...These two make me think that you knew what you were doing.

I'd just like clarification....Thanks!

[Arafax]

I think that a few of us are being over defensive....Let's not start calling each other up for boxing matches now.

@ thestatusquo: I was simply asking for clarification...I do read the thread...Thanks though.

[Arafax]

Nothing new I see....Do we have non-participators already?

Mod,

do you think we need

prods

already?

[Arafax]

I could be persuaded to go lurker hunting. But only for Ziliu.

Can I ask why?...It just strikes me as odd as to why you would lurker hunt only some lurkers?

[Arafax]

And Because Zilziu is like a lurker second class. He popped up once, jumped on a bandwagon, and has disapeared since. So he's a lurker + suspicious.

Sounds good enough for me.

Wuffles, whats with the "rawrs?"...You only use them sometimes, I see?

[Arafax]

Unvote

my random vote....Going to do a read through....Back in a few minutes...

[Arafax]

Here's what I came up with:

Nothing except Thestatusquo's extremely bad vote...IMO, it's a very bad play & I just find it hard to believe that it was done by accident.

Vote - Thestatusquo

[Arafax]

Your FOSing yourself?

Pretty sure he's joking....

Mod

Can we have a Vote count please?

[Arafax]

Mod

I think that vote cont may be wrong.

I'm still finding Thestatusquo the scummiest.

Mod

Anyword on our lurkers?...Prods or otherwise?

[Arafax]

I just checked Ghetto Anthonys Newbie game he was currently in....They replaced him, then he posted his PM...He was the doc there too.....Thinking that someone needs to teach Anthony some MS etiquette.

[Arafax]

Can I ask for a favor?...If you quote people in your post, can you tell us all who you are quoting?...Thanks!

[Arafax]

Wuffles?....I too would like to know why you are voting yourself....Odd.

[Arafax]

I'm sorry to keep bringing the samne thing up, but I still think that TSQ is the scummiest....He hasn't posted much to make me think otherwise since the lynch -1 post...

I'm also not seeing that Lunalovegood is anymore scummy that TSQ....TSQ seems the best for today IMO.

[Arafax]

Yeah, but I'm town, and therefore not the best for today. Please outline, other than the -1 lynch, which has been extensively covered, what you find scummy about me? I can't defend myself against..."You know...He just feels scummy."

Maybe you mis-read my post....You posted the lynch -1 vote and since then you have not posted anything to make me think that you're pro-town...Putting someone 1 away by "accident" is scummy....That's my only argument against you, but it's a big one.

[Arafax]

Mod

- I do believe that I am voting for TSQ.

TSQ...I'm sorry, but I am reading through the game and no one else is scummy IMO other than you...I am focusing on finding scum; you just happen to be the scummiest.

MOD EDIT: Fixed. Also, cheers.

[Arafax]

Sorry everyone, but I have to agree with TSQ....He was mainly scummy because of the lynch-1 "accident"....So, I did a read through and this is what I came up with:

In posts #9, #115, #118 TSQ says these "you're obvioulsy scum" type posts...What is that?...You're not claiming cop because you said it about multiple people...So, what is that all about?

In post #11 you make a statement about Elias & Luna being scum buddies?...What the heck are you doing?

In post #18 you call Luna on lurking...It's still the random stage and many have not even posted yet, but you're bringing out lurking already?.

In post #48, did you then post that he wasn't lurking?...I'm confused.

Post #85 you say that you'll go lurker hunting, but only for Zuilu...What's that all about?

So, in summary you have been scummy the entire game...All of that on top of post #39 where you put Elias 1 away....

Confirm Vote - Thestatusquo

[Arafax]

Yeah...So like why are you only paying attention to some of my posts in order to make me look more scummy then I am?

So would you expect me to post all of your non-scummy posts too?....I've never done that....While I admit that every single post of your has not been scummy, but the majority has.

I apologize for the confusion on the posts about lurking; it was hard to understand, that's why I said so....Thanks for being so nice about it though; my apologies....I'm still thinking that you're scummy...My vote will stay.

[Arafax]

FOS Wuffles

Ok, I'm happy with this, after re-reading, you are actually correct to a large extent.

You were very adamant about lynching TSQ...Now you say that you did it without a read through?...I still like my vote on TSQ, but Wuffles just became a close second.

[Arafax]

obviously you dont have to quote non scummy posts. but when you make a case by quoting several things you find scummy, then omit the post that gives a reasonable response to all of your points, well, thats just not acceptable. if you didnt know, misleading the town is considered scummy. youre looking pretty scummy to me right now.

I'm not sure if you are directing this at me or not, but if you are please show me a post where someone posts the scummy and non-scummy posts when stating that someone is scum...When and if you do, I will agree that I was misleading the town, until then I disagree.

[Arafax]

TSQ : What posts are contradicting what I am saying?...Maybe I am missing it, but I don't see that....Also, I am here to find scum, you come across the scummiest to me...There is no misrepresenting there...It's simple, I find you the scummiest.

[Arafax]

So Wuffles tell me who is more scummy?
1. The person putting someone lynch -1 by accident
or
2. The person putting someone lynch-1 without reading the game thuroughly and then telling everyone that they need to hammah?

Changing your mind is not scummy...Telling everyone that they need to hammah without reading through the game thuroughly is scummy....That's what I was trying to say there.

[Arafax]

I can't get over TSQ though, but I'll

unvote TSQ

and try to look elsewhere....I'm not seeing Wuffles as scummy though; the whole too scummy to be scum to me.

[Arafax]

I tend to agree with you norinel, unless we can assure scum, which I don't think we can, I am probably the best play for the town at this stage.

A statement like that makes me think that he is totally not scum, but I guess that would become WIFOM...However I think we need to look away from TSQ for now.

[Arafax]

I have to agree with TSQ...As of recent, I think that he has defended himself well and I find his not so scummy anymore.

Mod

- I second the VC...Thanks!

[Arafax]

Does anyone else notice this, but are there only about 6 or 7 people posting while the others "lay low?"...There are probably 3 or 4 who rarely post....It's hard to find scum when almost half of the town is'nt particiapating that much.

[Arafax]

I think he was referring to elias and luna.

That is correct...I'm also an over-poster to most people, so I need more posts from everyone...Sorry, just my playstyle.

[Arafax]

Wuffles has been promising a PBPA for like...3 pages.

Yeah, what's with that Wuffles?....I have heard that removing an FOS is scummy too, but I disagree with it....I think placing and removing FOS's are good for the game IMO.

[Arafax]

Wow, I vote for Wuffles to be nominated in the Scummies for the longest post ever.

I still don't think that TSQ is scum, which is what Wuffle's post mainly says IMO...It kinda sucks that we've been at this for 12 pages and really have gotten no where.

CDB, why no comment after you were waiting for Wuffles and then you didn't post anything of content when he did post?...That just seems weird to me.

[Arafax]

In response to Spectrumvoid...Instead of quoting everything, I will just respond to certain points that you made:
- You said that I accused Bluemonick of lying...Well guess what?...He was lying...Refer to Sesame Street Mafia to confirm that.

- You said that I said that TSQ was scummy after a few people had already said it...Well, putting someone lynch -1 is scummy no matter if you the first or last to mention it.

-You posted that you know what I was trying to decide (your 5th point I think)...Unfortunatley you have no idea what I was trying to do as I did not post why I was asking the question, I just wanted to see TSQ's response.

-You keep saying that I keep focusing on TSQ, well IMO he was the scummiest...He was very scummy!

-You say that I'm scummy for (in your 15th point or so) not hopping on the TSQ wagon; that I only FOS'd him....WHAT?...I hope that I am misundertanding your post, because did you just say that I'm scummy for FOSing someone when I could have jumped on the wagon???

-You comment on how I skipped over some other things going on in the game...True, I admit it, but I won't comment on everything.

-You call me scummy for focusing on TSQ....IMO it's pro town to focus on someone you think is scummy rather than hopping around...But trust me, I read every post and have me eye on everyone.

-You call me scummy also for not voting for TSQ until later in the game...Again, just my oponion but the person who jumps on a wagon right away is scummy, not the person who waits and makes sure that he thinks he has scum before he votes....Unless I want to pressure for a wagon or something, I will never throw my vote around.

-Finally, you say that my saying "too scummy to be scum" is a bad play...Go and read some of Fritzler's games...Some people are at times just too scummy to be scum.

If there is anything that I have missed, let me know and i will address it, but I think that I have hit the most important points...Though, you have a good post, I think that you should be careful about throwing your vote around at least until you've heard a response...Also, I typed this kinda fast so please excuse grammar and spelling errors...

[Arafax]

I'm generally happy with Arafax's response, although I dont like his response to the accusation that he avoided some issues. I think its a little scummy to only post on some subjects and not on others.

Ummm, well I told him that I would address any that he felt necessary for me to respond to....I stated that I only responded to what I thought were the major points...The fact that I told him this would make me wonder why you found that scummy...Care to explain?

[Arafax]

I started to read that PBPA on Wuffles again and got about 1/3 of the way through before I realized what I was doing?

I hate deadlines, but I love more posting...Perhaps a deadline would bring out more posting....Um, where's zuilu?

2 brothers huh?...Hmmm...I have played games with my wife; I hate the tension in the house...I feel for you guys.

PS - I have never seen so many PBPA's in my life.

[Arafax]

Wuffles posts come across "wierd"....I don't like how he's doing all of there PBPA's and not coming up with anything....It seems like he's saying a lot, but he really isn't IMO.

Vote - Wuffles

because he seems to post tons of times but doesn't give a solid opinion IMO.

[Arafax]

I think that the way that Wuffles keeps going back and forth with his opinions and not doing anything about it is scummy...IMO it is scummy to be saying that A is scum, no I changed my mind; A is not scum....Wait A is scum; wait no I changed my mind again.

It's scummy to posting things without doing anything about it....Because after a lynch he can go back and say "Look, I did or did not find so and so scummy, look at these posts" and he will be able to back it up because he never really took a stand.

[Arafax]

I second the welcome back TSQ....Glad you're back.

In other news, we have a deadline...

Mod

, may I ask what you will do at the end of the deadline if we have no lynch?...There are a few options, but I'm most likely expecting a no lynch for D1 if the deadline comes up....The fact that our Doc got mod killed really sucks and I think that we need to do our best to lynch scum today!

Mod, can we have a deadline, please?

Wuffles, this does not take away any of my suspicions of you...This does not come across as pro twon at all!

[Arafax]

Y'know, reading the first post is tech.

Sorry - Thanks!

[Arafax]

Sometimes a deadline without a lynch equals a no lynch...A no lynch is never a pro town move...You asking for a deadline makes me find you scummy...Not trying again, you're doing it well yourself to become more scummy to me.

[Arafax]

Wuffles - I think that a speed lynch or a no lynch is never good for the town...That's why I am suspicious of you for asking for a no lynch.

Lowell, please clarify or restate what you said about the no lynch/Elias/Wuffles...I'm confused.

[Arafax]

That's why I am suspicious of you for asking for a no lynch.

My apology...This is a typo...I meant "deadline" not "no lynch" - That's what my argument was and still is.

[Arafax]

either he's scummy and trying to misrepresent what people say,

Please read my above post....It was an accident...I'm suprised that you didn't ask for clarification on that since my previous posts state that....I'm also suprised on how quickly you voted me spectrumvoid.

[Arafax]

But you've tried...hmm, three different ways to put me under suspicion now?
1. Wuffles is scum cuz he won't take a position up versus TSQ - Fair enough.
2. Wuffles is scum because he hasn't posted content - Bollocks.
3. Wuffles is scum because he wanted a deadline - Bollocks.

2. I never said you weren't posting content...What I said (Post 355) was that you were posting a lot, but not saying anything, and what I meant by this is clarified in the second sentence in the post as posting a lot but never coming up with a solid opinion...I further clarified what I meant by that in Post 367. Apparently you aren't interested in what I actually said and meant, because it was never that you aren't posting content, it was that within your content, I couldn't find a solid opinion, and I think that's scummy.

3. I think wanting a deadline is not a protown thing to do, and I assumed everyone would know why a deadline isn't protown...Mostly, it could lead to a no lynch. Plus, it shortens the day, shortens the discussion, puts pressure on the town, and could also lead to a lynch without a claim. Anyone who asks for a deadline will be suspicious to me...I think this is both a reasonable and common opinion, and not bollocks.

Spectrumvoid: A lot of what you've said was that I'm acting like a confused townie and have played too many games to be that, which is complete opinion of my playstyle and I don't take that argument seriously...I don't even get why you keep saying I'm a confused townie....I forgot about your PBPA of me, though, so you're right, it wasn't a quick vote...I retract my statement.

[Arafax]

Arafax, I agree with spectrums assessment of your 'confused townie'dom. I don't buy it either.

I mean, its hard to be a confused townie when youve been playing as long as you.

Someone please show me where you get the "confused townie" stuff...I have asked, now will one of you three please answer.

[Arafax]

Wuffles, I admit that you are most definately animated and fun to play with....I love people who post a lot. - PS: I'm not joking.

However, I find you scummy for 2 things...The same things that have been stated over and over...This is a game of opinion and my opinion is that you're being scummy...You can say your opinions and why you think I am scummy, etc etc, but I am getting the impression that you are fascinated with lynching me because I find you scummy....I'm getting that vibe from you; any thoughts on that?

PS - Just a thought of frustration...It's looking like either Wuffles or myself will be the lynch of the day (unless we go with the no lynch)....This kinda stinks because we are actually playing...Now,

MOD

can we get some prods or replacements and extend the deadline?...The game seems to be getting somewhere now too...I'm annoyed because I may get lynched while people who don't even seem to want to play the game are going to keep playing....Thanks!

[Arafax]

Mod

- I too think that the VC is wrong....Thanks!

[Arafax]

Usually a good Vig won't going around just killing people...So while what you're saying may be true; I'm going to take it that we have an SK.....Scum killed one, Sk killed the other.

[Arafax]

What the heck is going on?....A wierd situation...I agree that it was odd that TSQ voted himself....But I was just going to shrug it off and move on....N/M, I still will.

Nothing much else is going on....If I recall we had quite a few players not participating before the crash...Maybe we still have that problem.

[Arafax]

TSQ claimed townie earlier....I doubt that he's scum and voting himself (that would be dumb)...My only guess would be that druing the night his role may have changed...Maybe now his goal is to get lynched...Anyone else have thoughts on this?

I too hate it when people vote themselves...But this is a weird situation due to the fact that he put the first vote on himself....Usually when others do it, it's when they're frustrated and about to get lynched.

[Arafax]

I see what you're saying....I agree totally.

What I'm saying is this; what if his role changed in the night?...Or what if his win goal is to get lynched D2 or something like that?...I mean Wuffles was a "Survivior" and maybe this role is a variation of Wuffles???

I agree that if that's not the case, he's pulling trash out of his butt and I'd gladly lynch him...But I thought that maybe we should discuss that a little bit...Any thoughts?

[Arafax]

Arafax I do not think you read my last post properly. In my opinion he is either Scum or Town gambiting. If it is a scum gambit then playing into it as Town is bad. If he is Town gambiting then he is probably looking for reactions. As Town you are trying to avoid gambiteers misreading you...

Vote: Arafax

What?...I said that I agreed with you...I just asked what your opinion was of him now needing to be lynched as a role variation...Did you misread my post?

[Arafax]

Sorry, but I prefer to discuss options and hear other peoples opinions.

TSQ - Why are you voting for yourself?

[Arafax]

TSQ - Would you mind toning down the language?...I would appreciatte it.

Mod

Can we prod all of those who are not participating?....There are quite a few I think.

[Arafax]

Vote TSQ

for being obnoxious IMO.

[Arafax]

Awesome MOD

How about some prods on Ziliu and Luna?...Thanks.

[Arafax]

Speaking of Luna...When you do post...Why have you posted in other games multiple times in the past 2 days, but not on our little game here?....That is some serious lruking.

[Arafax]

Woo Hoo - Thanks for playing all - I had fun! - Thanks for modding Primate.