Mini 1372 - Over

[Prof. Guppy]

Your all scum for lurking.

Y'know, some of us have lives that don't revolve around checking the thread non-stop. It's neither a scumtell nor a towntell.

I'm a townie, by the way. Just wanted you all to know that.

[Prof. Guppy]

@Benmage, I used to think that I could change the site meta by arguing against it. I was wrong, and so are you. I agree that random votes are stupid, but the place to argue that is the Mafia Discussion forum, not here.

@Dunhamganger, I only claimed my role because it was the only other way I could think of besides a random vote to generate content. Problem?

[Prof. Guppy]

And if you were scum what would you have claimed?

I'm not going to answer that because it feels like you are trying to bait me.

If I did, for instance, say "As scum, I would claim to be Power Role X."...

Then either you or someone else would take that out of context, saying "Prof. Guppy is claiming to be Power Role X! He must be lying! Die scum!"

And I'd rather not see an innocent lynch today. Especially not mine.

FoS: Benmage

Not voting for you just yet. I don't want the scum to hammer so quickly.

[Prof. Guppy]

What, exactly, are you trying to say, Benmage? Do you think I'm scum for claiming VT, or don't you?

[Prof. Guppy]

You make a good point, Ben. Sadly it's too late for me to do anything about it now.

Where the hell is everybody else?

[Prof. Guppy]

See, this is exactly why I didn't want to answer the question in the first place! Benmage took what I said out of context, and now he's using it as pretext to paint me scummy. You can't go around asking loaded questions like that, dude.

[Prof. Guppy]

He's appealing to emotion, he's buddying with you, and he's trying to pass the buck by pretending to be really concerned about the lurkers.

Fourseen is still better.

My "lurker concern" is genuine. This is a game of information based on information based on information, and we need as much information as we can muster. That means everyone needs to contribute.

Mod: Can you please prod the players who have yet to post?

I'm not going to argue the other points you made, because those are valid.

I'm not ready to jump on your wagon yet. I want Fourseen to make another post first.

[Prof. Guppy]

Prof guppy, when you fos'd benmage, you said you didn't want to vote cause you didn't want scum to hammer this looks like you knew he was town. The claiming VT like that to pass off the n00b town isnt working for me either.

Gonna say you and your distancing buddy are scum together, worse case you are a VI who will do nothing but ruin the game as you lack basic fundamentals.

vote: prof. Guppy

I fully expect backlash, bring it on.

Robb, there is a 7/9 chance that Benmage is town. I was trying to be cautious. This is just the way I play the game. I could just as easily say that you are scummy for wanting a quick lynch without any scum hunting at all.

Some players, like you, want to lynch first and find scum later.
Some players, like me, would rather find scum first and then lynch the scum.
Neither playstyle is any more or less scummy or town.

And what are those "basic fundamentals" you claim I lack?

[Prof. Guppy]

I'm not ready to jump on your wagon yet. I want Fourseen to make another post first.

This kind of elaborate caution gets us nowhere. As a claimed vanilla townie, and a newer player at that, you have precious little going for you. Your vote is the one thing. Use it.

Hello, pot? This is kettle. You're black too.

You seem to really want me to put Fourseen at L-1 over one bonehead post. Why? It seems to me like you know he's town and want him dead before he can answer for his action. When and if I vote for someone, it's because I think they are mafia.

VOTE: Dunhamganger

[Prof. Guppy]

I haven't disappeared, I've merely been sleeping.

I still think Robb is town. I still think dunham is scum.

@dunham, can you explain to me what your reasons are for pushing the FC wagon? You said you don't want to lynch him before he makes a second post, but you seemed to want me to vote him so he'd be at L-1. Inconsistent much? Or something else?

[Prof. Guppy]

First off it was a random vote on benmage, and I didn't realize that he was at L-2 at the time of post. Second off, It's my first week at college so I've been V/LA sorry. Will post thoughts in a bit.

Exactly how long is a bit, dude? It's been more than twenty-four hours. Are you waiting to be put at L-1 before you actually talk?

I think I can facilitate that. I think I ought to facilitate that.

UNVOTE: Dunhamganger
VOTE: FourseenCircumstance

Now, Post or Perish.

[Prof. Guppy]

Haters gonna hate. Only Scum would be such opportunist as you (mcstab) and dr. Guppy.

unvote. vote: mcstab

Give me a real reason why I am the best lynch.

Because you're not actually playing the game? I used to think I could survive games by only posting infrequently, and never providing any actual game content. I got lynched for it, and you ought to as well.

And don't give us this "You can't prove I'm scum" BS. You are the one who needs to prove that you are NOT the best lynch today. OMGUSing is not the way to do that.

[Prof. Guppy]

What do you think of N, Guppy?

Frankly, Slan, I don't know what to make of either N or you. It seems like you and him are arguing the way Robb and I did at the top of the thread. I think we (Robb and I) are the same alignment now. But you two, there's just no telling.

[Prof. Guppy]

Okay, I've had some time to think about it, and I'm convinced that one or the other of N or Slaandar is town. Not sure which one though, but the other one could be anything (town/scum/third party/whatever). I think we'd better hold off lynching either one until we get more information.

I feel uneasy about McStab, first for pushing the Benmage Wagon, then for pushing the FC wagon. Then again, his posts do sound pretty town.

I still think Robb is town. Reckless with the noose, but town.

Sable Tip I can't get a read on. I would like some more posts before I make a call.

Dunhamganger is scum.

VOTE: Dunhamganger

I know I'm going to get asked about this, so let me say it now. I put FC at L-1 to pressure him into defending himself. He didn't, so I left my vote on him. with him out of the way, the town now has a decent suspect pool to pick from. I regret nothing.

[Prof. Guppy]

The case against N is balderdash. Slaandar just pulled a name out of his ass, and piled made-up evidence on the poor sucker. All N has done is defend himself against baseless accusations. Nothing scummy about that, no matter what Slaandar wants us to believe.

That clinches it. N is town. Dunham/Slaandar are the scum pair.

[Prof. Guppy]

The case against N is balderdash. Slaandar just pulled a name out of his ass, and piled made-up evidence on the poor sucker. All N has done is defend himself against baseless accusations. Nothing scummy about that, no matter what Slaandar wants us to believe.

Thanks for repeating exactly what I was saying earlier without any input of your own.
VOTE: Guppy

I'm sorry, how does defending you make me scummy in your eyes?

[Prof. Guppy]

Quickhammers (on town) before a claim usually come from town as scum fear the repercussions...

...And townies have nothing to fear? Because townies getting lynched by a vengeful mob is a good thing? Also, WIFOM is in play here. Your argument makes no sense.

Now, I'm not hanging my faith in Robb on the hammer alone. In fact, I'm not hanging it on that at all. I think Robb is town because his interest in finding the scum seems genuine. I think you are scum for implanting this idea in our heads, so that you can quickhammer someone else, and when they flip town, you'll shed that scumsmell you've been accumulating. Not cool, man.

[Prof. Guppy]

It doesn't matter what I post here, someone will call it scummy and hammer me. Oh, well, at least I still have my perfect record.

@Robb, I sense your question is rhetorical, but I'm missing your point, because I don't know which side has more to fear.

@Sable Tip, I genuinely believe your vote is town-motivated.

@N, could you please justify your vote?

@Slaandar, could you please...actually, nevermind.

VOTE: Slaandar

[Prof. Guppy]

I found the scum.

No, you didn't. You just found a convenient target for a mislynch. N is town. Saying he's not is scummy. I never should have taken my vote off of you.

VOTE: Dunhamganger

[Prof. Guppy]

@Guppy: why are you voting me?

I'm not voting for you, I'm voting for Dunhamganger. I

was

voting for you for three key reasons.

1. Your case against N is bullshit.
2. You didn't justify your vote on me.
3. Your vote and your case were moving in two different directions.

BTW, I'm voting Dunhamganger now because he's a manipulative bastard.

[Prof. Guppy]

I totally thought guppy had asked for a claim. I realize that nobody did.

To answer your question, I wasn't 100% certain of FC's alignment. I was just trying to pressure him into saying something, anything, to clear his name. A claim would have been nice, even though I didn't ask for it. I felt it was worth it, because he wasn't contributing to the conversation.

I think I've already said this stuff before.

[Prof. Guppy]

BTW, I'm voting Dunhamganger now because he's a manipulative bastard.

You should probably be voting for the people that you think are scum. Just fyi.

(j/k, I know that you're the scum so it doesn't really matter much who all you vote for.)

What makes you so certain that I'm scum?

[Prof. Guppy]

OK Lets do some back to basics scumhunting...

Day 1 Final VC (rest are pointless as day was too short)

1.

Slandaar

(1): N
2. McStab (1):

FourseenCircumstance

3. Prof. Guppy (2): Sable Tip,

Slandaar

7.

FourseenCircumstance

(5): McStab,

Benmage

, Prof. Guppy, Dunhamganger, Robbnva

Now lets look at the facts

Only 3 living players were off the wagon
Me, Sable and N.

4 were on
Mcstab, Guppy, Dunham, Robb

The odds are very low both scum were off the wagon. If anyone thinks both scum were off the wagon they should be voting Sable.

If we think about who the worst votes on four were we can pin down who to lynch from

The worst votes were Guppys 'PRESSURE GUIZ PRESSURE' and Robbs 'LOLHAMMERDIEEEEEE' so at least one of [Guppy, Robb] is very likely scum.

Yes, because everyone else's vote was town motivated, obvobv

Now.

Lets think about if there is any scum off the wagon or all are on.

Slandaar vs N suggests 1 scum is off the wagon strongly as we both are quite adamant the other is scum with amusingly Guppy.

The difference between us is I made a case on him, he just thinks my case is bad.

By "thinks", you of course mean "knows". Your case is bullshit, in case I wasn't clear.

This is proactive vs reactive, N does not actually post proactively, He did not post any content relating to anyone other than me for a ridiculous stretch of time, he did not post any kind of catchup post, he is scum.

Observe, my fellow townies. This is what we call projection, or finding one's own faults in others.

Now we look at our top on the wagon suspects [Guppy, Robb] who works best with N? Well, its Guppy. N is saying Guppy is my buddy because I am right about him and Guppy and so if Guppy ever gets lynched and lets face it, at the start of day2 it really looked like he would and hence N needing to bus, he could then try saying he was right etc.

Funny how your only case against me is based on N being scum, which he isn't.

All you need to do to see N is scum is look at his first dozen posts or whatever in his ISO. He only argues with me, he never posts anything about Four or anything useful, he literally just focuses on me, his introduction to the game was to respond to me calling him scum.

Its very obvious he is scum.

You should all sheep me now.

Wrong, wrong, and Seriously, dude? You're nearly as bad as Dunhamganger.

[Prof. Guppy]

I've been reflecting on Robbnva's most recent posts, and he's got me considering McStab as scum. Don't have an independent read on him just yet. Looking back at the two I thought were the scum pair, I'm thinking Dunhamganger's manipulation was not a scum ploy, but an honest attempt to keep the game moving. He's not totally in the clear in my opinion, but for now...

UNVOTE: Dunhamganger
VOTE: Slaandar

He's still my best suspect. I may move my vote to McStab if I get another blip on the scumdar.

[Prof. Guppy]

Funny how McStab is asking for a claim from someone who has claimed in his very first post. I am a vanilla townie, like I said from the beginning. Also, I would like to point out that my play style, as much as it runs counter to the site meta, is at least consistent. My play isn't scummy per se, it's just me.

If anyone who isn't currently voting for me believes I'm not being honest, then I dare you to hammer me.

On the off chance I survive today...

UNVOTE: Slaandar
VOTE: McStab

That's the blip I was looking for.

[Prof. Guppy]

Whatever. I still have my perfect record. I'm a better mod than player anyway.

Do I just always exude a scum vibe to you people, or what?