Mini 1372 - Over

[Robbnva]

Hey guys, heads up, I'm v/la until the 10th.

@ mod - a pm this game was open would have been nice

vote: benmage

After my most recent 9P game, we need to get someone to L-1 ASAP. Trust me.

fos: Dunhamganger

[Robbnva]

vote benmage

for posting and voting when he is in V/LA eventhough he never said he was going away in game.

fos robbnva

for that terrible Reasoning of his FOS and Vote.

I didn't give a reasoning for my FOS, so how can you call it terrible?

You put benmage at L-1 yet you didn't bother to announce it? That's bad play IMO.

What was so terrible about my reasoning for benmage? You didn't even bother to ask me what happened in my recent 9p game. If my reasonsing was terrible, why did you still vote him?

P. edit - yeah you aren't at L-1 anymore.

[Robbnva]

Reading through the game so far:

Firstly,

FOS

on both Robbnva and Fourseen Circumstance for the ridiculously-rapid wagon on Benmage.

Robbnva, could you explain what happened in your last 9p that made you want to run someone up as quickly as possible?

Prof Guppy definitely seems off to me – second post is way too early for a claim, especially one like VT. Benmage has already covered most of this, but it’s worth mentioning that Guppy seems almost antagonistic to me in how he’s talking about his claim.

Benmage: I don’t like this bit:

And if you were scum what would you have claimed?

I'm not going to answer that because it feels like you are trying to bait me.

If I did, for instance, say "As scum, I would claim to be Power Role X."...

As scum you would claim a PR for no reason? Thats fucking retarded. Don't be obtuse. The point is you saying your town doesn't mean you couldn't or wouldn't do the exact samething as scum.

Prof Guppy did not say he would claim a PR without reason if he were scum, yet your post seems to be written as if he did say that.

I also don’t like the phrasing of this post:

You went first, and he's way too serious, so someone's definitely going to vote him. I just wanted to make sure no one got off the hook for not conforming.

Ugh. It feels like everyone’s jumping straight onto my scumdar.

@ sable

Sure thing, my last 9P which was fairly recent, we got a player to l-1 by page 2, based off that we caught scum and lynched him day 1. After that we were able to win the game on day 3 by process of elimination and probably some bad NKs


I'm a fan of quick lynching, mostly because it puts scum in an awkward position.

[Robbnva]

Didn't meant to quote that post. smh.

[Robbnva]

He's appealing to emotion, he's buddying with you, and he's trying to pass the buck by pretending to be really concerned about the lurkers.

Fourseen is still better.

Take your buzzwords and shove them.

AtE isn't a scumtell and it isn't scummy. I hate morons who toss those around like they mean something.

Why did you just essentially ignore Prof. Guppy's VT claim to begin with? Telling him "don't do that" isn't something I'd expect a scum hunting townie to say. That's why I fos'd you and I see you are still playing the "ooh look at me I'm going to toss baseless accusations around to seem pro town".

Why did you call me scum, FC scum, flop on prof guppy but when you list 2 names you wanted dead, my name wasn't mentioned?

Why did you call me scum? Cause i wanted benmage run up or cause i fos'd you?

Lol go learn to play

I want to vote you but prof. Guppy did sonething much worse.


Prof guppy, when you fos'd benmage, you said you didn't want to vote cause you didn't want scum to hammer this looks like you knew he was town. The claiming VT like that to pass off the n00b town isnt working for me either.

Gonna say you and your distancing buddy are scum together, worse case you are a VI who will do nothing but ruin the game as you lack basic fundamentals.

vote: prof. Guppy

I fully expect backlash, bring it on.

[Robbnva]

Durham and Ben are town. Sable not sure. Guppy unsure. Gonna go ahead and call out a Fourseen and Robb scumteam, especially with the hypocritical, fake distancing FoS on Robb from Fourseen. Plus Robb has ignored the whole issue with Fourseen.

Durham is scum, guaranteed. Im not scum, guaranteed.

What issue have I ignored? I have ignored no issues.

[Robbnva]

Prof guppy, when you fos'd benmage, you said you didn't want to vote cause you didn't want scum to hammer this looks like you knew he was town. The claiming VT like that to pass off the n00b town isnt working for me either.

Gonna say you and your distancing buddy are scum together, worse case you are a VI who will do nothing but ruin the game as you lack basic fundamentals.

vote: prof. Guppy

I fully expect backlash, bring it on.

Robb, there is a 7/9 chance that Benmage is town. I was trying to be cautious. This is just the way I play the game. I could just as easily say that you are scummy for wanting a quick lynch without any scum hunting at all.

Some players, like you, want to lynch first and find scum later.
Some players, like me, would rather find scum first and then lynch the scum.
Neither playstyle is any more or less scummy or town.

And what are those "basic fundamentals" you claim I lack?

You realize if scum had hammered, we would have found 1 right away right? Day 2 we would have lynched the hammer leaving us to find 1 more scum. And yes 7/9 he is town, but you fos'd him which means there is a chance you think he is scum. Saying "I think there is a chance you are scum but dont want scum to hammer you" doesnt add up.

The fundamentals you lack are the basic ones to play this game. You just claim Vt on page 1, that right there proves you have no clue what you are doing. You are worried about people not posting, yet it's the weekend and a holiday weekend at that. Let the mod prod people.

[Robbnva]

So dum has a case of the OMGUS's. Lol that's funny.

But see dum, you fucked up. You call 2 people scum 100%, than you flop on Prof guppy, yet you don't mention both of your stronger scum reads as people you want to lynch. That's not what people who are secure with their scum reads would do.

I'm ok with a FC lynch cause I doubt he will do/say anything useful but a prof. Gup or dum lynch helps town win.

[Robbnva]

Ehh why cant Guppy be noobtown?

Unvote vote FourseenCircum

Now I remember FC... he'lll lurk, lurk, and lurk somemore. And his logic will be .... Anyways we will not find a better lynch D1, so its a go!

CHOO CHOO

Link to a game(s) you played with FC please.

[Robbnva]

Regardless of everything else, someone really should put Fourseen at L-1.

Why? Must say your reaction to the first wagon is quite odd, if prof.guppy is town, you are prob.scum

[Robbnva]

Mcstab, you have also ignored my question. Dont do it again. Go back and answer my question.

[Robbnva]

Oh noez you lied and called me scum

How sure are you FC is scum? If he flips town will you put your head on the block? There is no way you can be 100% of 1 post.

Was his 1 post scummy? Sure

Does 1 scummy post mean he is scum? No.

Your reason for pushing his lynch is horrible.

P.edit - I'm not leading anything, just don't want people to be blinded by obviously scummy people (you and mcscab)

Lack of scum huting by you is noted.

[Robbnva]

I've done quite a bit of scumhunting. More, I would wager, than everyone else in this thread combined. Sound + fury =! scumhunting.

Could you even tell me, for instance, what my reason for pushing FourseenConsequences's lynch is? Or are you just determined to make sure everyone sees what a bad guy I am? I think there's a term for that, but I'm about to lose my reception as I go through this tunnel.

Well if you knew what p.edit meant, you would realize the first part of my post wasn't directed at you..

Tbh I don't know why anyone is voting FC off 1 single post. I don't suspect him right now cause he did something pro-town. He put benmage to l-1 like I asked.

I don't like he hasn't posted since, that's quite annoying.

But no you haven't scumhunted at all. All your posts have been essentially useless. Saying people are town or scum without saying why is the epitome of useless posts. Saying I'm scum for suspecting you is just down right scummy. That's why I think you are probably scum. If guppy hadn't slipped, my vote would be on you.

[Robbnva]

Yeah wow, everything would have been fixed if I knew what p.edit meant instead of you, you know, directing the parts of your post you want directed at certain people AT those people.

Yeah but he had just posted when I was typing, so there was no need to include an @ until you went and posted and fucked it up, thus why anything before the p.edit you should have known was not directed at you.

As for my getting someone to L-1 ASAP, I just won a game because someone got to l-1 and someone else reacted badly. So far 2 people have reacted badly to this wagon, so I feel town has some solid leads. You and McScab reacted horrible IMO.

But prof.gupp did scum slip, its subtle, but it happened. It definitely deserves pressure.

I'm not worried if you vote me or not. I'll flip town and people will see what I've been saying.

[Robbnva]

mod - its been 72 hours since FC posted, can you please prod him?

done

[Robbnva]

vote: fourseen

[Robbnva]

How is quickhammering ever protown?

Why do you think this was a quick hammer? He was at l-1, he was asked to claim and never did anything. He has 3 posts and is being completely useless.

Best case he is scum
Worst case he is town in a well deserved policy lynch.

I've got the best role ever so I'm not afraid of making waves and getting rid of useless players.

[Robbnva]

I asked him a question page 1, post 22. I hammered him on page 5 post 114 and he never answered it.

No it wasn't rushed

[Robbnva]

Well that obviously sucks but I stand by my hammer. It really fucking sucks this idiot was a PR.

Right now we are most likely 5:2 (9p games usually have only 2 scum)

I'll understand if I get lynched today but logically (and yes I'm using a bit of wifom) I would not be so reckless as scum.

My money is still on dumhanger/guppy being scum.

I'm off to bed for now, no rush to vote.

[Robbnva]

You certainly would if you were pretty sure you could avert a lynch today. Which is why we don't play the WIFOM game when we're townies. Because it's needlessly distracting.

Your hammer seemed awfully town-motivated when you did it, but today's post simply oozes fake regret and elaborate fake caution. If Guppy's scum I'm actually willing to wager that you are too. Hint: I think Guppy's probably scum.

No read on Sable Tip. Why is that. Speak.

Dude flipped PR, it's not fake regret, it's actual regret.

The fact that you don't regret being part of that lynch is p. condemning IMO.

The moment I saw that flip I knew I was probably getting lynched today. I stand by my hammer I just hate he was a PR. I'm mad he didn't do anything to try and save himself and he ignored questions.

vote: dumhanger

[Robbnva]

I endorse an N lynch, I concede I may be wrong about guppy.

[Robbnva]

N, why did you feel the need to recap your entire process in post 110. It seems like a lot of work over a FOS from 1 person. It seems like you are over compensating.

@ slander - you definitely seemed more suspicious of N, so why the guppy vote?

[Robbnva]

For someone who doesn't regret anything, you sure felt the need to defend your actions guppy.

[Robbnva]

Usually when someone over compensates, they are hiding sonething. The easiest explanation usually is honest, and elaborate one is usually a lie.

As for my hammer, 4 days or 2 weeks doesn't really matter, if you have someone who is scummy you lynch them. He was lurking, avoiding questions, his vote was horrible...

[Robbnva]

Sable Tip get in here.

robb stop being a dickbag for like two seconds and vote for a scum.

N, you're a

moron

scum.

Vote: N

I thought I was voting for a scum...

Im trusting my gut this time. Sorry bud

[Robbnva]

Tap the breaks for a second. Re-read and conceding dum could be dumb.

vote: McScab

Have a hunch.

[Robbnva]

I think we need to hear more from the players who've barely posted and the replacements - at the moment it's quite possible that everyone posting is town, and pretty likely that at least one of the scum is slipping under the radar. I especially want to hear McStab's thoughts at the moment.

PEDIT: Any reason you didn't unvote, Fourseen? Or do you want a chance to collect your thoughts before making a game-relevant post?

Sable, this post from day 1 is quite interesting. You said we need to hear from the players barely posting and the replacements. Than you say you especially want to hear from McStab.

1. Why McStab? Why was his opinion the most relevant.

2. That post was I beleive your 3rd post, which makes you one of the people not posting. Why call out others for something you were guilty of (still are)

[Robbnva]

I've been super busy, my apologies.

Right now I'm really thinking Robb scum, but I'll actually post a case soon. His quickhammer before a claim is bad, and I thought he was scum anyway yesterday before that.

I love fiction. I can't wait...

[Robbnva]

Do what?

[Robbnva]

Guppy, who has more to fear, scum or town?

Bottom line the hammer is a null tell cause it really makes no sense for either allignment to quick hammer. But as I said what I did wasn't a quick hammer. He was asked questions and he ignored them. He was asked to claim and didn't. Bottom line his play was bad.

After re-reading I honestly feel both scum are in the group of Mcscab/dum/sable.

I think we learn nothing by lynching guppy.

@ N - you claim guppy repeated you, I read your posts and his and see nothing that looks like repeating. I get you say you are paranoid but it doesn't look like guppy was really buddying you.


Everyone should take a time out and re-read.

Day 1 - people say there isn't much to say so they lurk.
Day 2 - we have plenty to talk about so the fact that people like McScab and Sable are denying content is troublesome. Dum is also fluff posting which is unacceptable.

This is the day where we pressure the lurkers to post or they get lynched. This is the day where it's harder for them to fake being town.

People voting guppy, I want exact reasons why and why you think those reasons = scum vs a VI.

[Robbnva]

First, let me say that I am sorry for not posting more than I have. Frankly, the reason I haven’t posted is that a large amount of the game so far feels like just random arguments which don’t really make me feel one person is more or less scummy than the other – I’d go so far as to say that the entirety of day one is pretty null reads to me. I’ll try to re-read it properly again to see if I’m missing anything major…

This reaks of fence sitting and you basically admitted to sitting back letting these arguments continue instead of posting your own thoughts. If you felt town was getting off track why not post and try to get us back on track?

As for today, please provide examples where I did this.

feels like he’s trying to figure out how a pro-town player should be feeling, then figuring out what he can say to make it look like he feels that way. I

I'm not buying your excuse about McScab. If you wanted to hear from him specifically, that means you are suspicious of his slot. You later say he is generally town but want him to "provide reasonings behind his reasonings" yet you say Dunhsnger is town and he outright ignored my request to provide reasonings for his d1 posts.

Not to mention your reason for a l-1 vote is bad (taking jokes seriously and Making dumb statements) where we're you yesterday to say this? Oh wait you were purposefully not posting because you felt the D1 arguments were null.


Yeah I'm sold now. Sable/mcscab scum team.

vote: sable

He admitted he sat back while we all argued with each other. There is no town motivation to do that.

P.edit - you didn't? Hmm ill go back and re-read when I get to a pc.

[Robbnva]

At the moment, I think a Robb / Guppy pairing is most likely, then N / Slandaar, then McStab / Guppy. It’s also possible that only one of N and Slandaar are scum; in this case I would think the most likely partner is Robb.

Did you just claim everyone's scum but you?

It's just another example of major fence sitting.

[Robbnva]

those are horrible examples and I don't fee they support your accusation at all.

and lol, I didn't strawman you at all, That is exactly what you accused him of

I think there’s a pretty good chance overall that you’re scum. You were definitely taking jokes way too seriously at the beginning of the day yesterday, and you’re making a lot of dumb statements. This could be just plain stupidity, but it also feels like you’re considering your posts carefully before posting them. In general, I’m much more willing to trust idiots who don’t think about what they say than idiots who do.

let's analzye these for a minute

1. You were definitely taking jokes way too seriously at the beginning of the day yesterday. -

1. link to the jokes and link to where he took them serious. 2. why is taking jokes scummy?

2. and you’re making a lot of dumb statements. -

Examples of the dumb statements and explain why they are more likely to come from scum instead of town

3. This could be just plain stupidity, but it also feels like you’re considering your posts carefully before posting them. -

please provide examples where you feel he is doing this. Also you just admitted to wanting to consider your posts before you made them so I don't get why it's scummy that he is doing it but it's ok for you to do it.

4. I’m much more willing to trust idiots who don’t think about what they say than idiots who do. -

what has he said that makes him seem like an idiot? I haven't see you speficially point out anything he has said and tell him he is wrong.

Like I said, I was finding it difficult to get a grasp on the game. I should have posted more, I don’t deny it; I was more hesitant than I should have been and the more that I hesitated, the harder it was for me to absorb the game.

Then I didn’t want to make a substandard post, so I just didn’t post.

It was a bad call on my part.

post 30 and post 35 it looked like you had a good grasp of the game. Also the bolded part is interesting imo, to me it reads that you wanted to be cautious of what you posted. If you are calling out things that you find scummy, there is no need to be cautious about it.

Also if you were so interested in McScabb's reasonings behind his posts, why did you not ask him? You say you purposely didn't post yet asking Mcscabb to explain his reasonings was something you absolutely could have done. Your post 69 (the one when you say you want to hear from him) you don't mention anywhere that you want to know his reasonings, you just say you want to hear from him. (hear from him about what?)

that looks like soft distancing imo and all of your reasons for voting for Guppy are horrible atm. I may feel better about your reasoning when you actually back them up with the examples I have asked for. Until you provide said examples and explain why they are scum motivated, I shall keep my vote on you.

[Robbnva]

Town should not be afraid of getting lynched, mafia should...

Town should not want to get lynched but they should never be afraid to. town out numbers mafia and every vote count will provide info to town.

Why was sable's vote town motivated? That means you think his accusations are true....

[Robbnva]

Calling me useless is the pot calling the kettle black. You have been way more useless than me.

I'm pointing out things that make no sense and questioning them. You are being useless by telling others they are useless. In other words. Fuck you

[Robbnva]

vote: dumhanger

There is no town motivation in your play and your aren't trying to find scum.

[Robbnva]

Where is the case you were going to post?

[Robbnva]

I found the scum. You're just too much of a reactionary (and uselessly noisy) player to pay attention.

Slandaar, you ready to vote for N yet? Your absence in this thread except to mention that this game is "funny" and your vote on Guppy rather than N are starting to grate my "Slandaar is probably town" nerve.

Everybody else, it's N-voting time. (Not you, Robb, I know you're not capable of it.)

you have yet to provide a reason for why he is scum. just like you failed to provide a reason why FC was scum.

and why are you criticizing Slandaar's "funny" post when you have had your fair share of useless posts. (I could actually quote your entire iso, but here are the highlights)

Attaboy.

Aw, it's cute, he thinks he's leading the town.

Hm.

Well that's not scumhunting.

Someone's been reading the Wiki.

(The system works.)

lol

Not Content.

lol

more votes on Dunhanger please. He doesn't care about finding scum, all he cares about is pushing people on a wild good chase. his most condemming moment came here

He responded 12 minutes after I posted without thoughts on anything else.

= Lurking.

So.

Vote him?

Unvote, Vote: N

he jumps ship to N based on an opinion of 1 person, and it wasnt a good one at that

[Robbnva]

How is quickhammering ever protown?

Can I get your official stance on quick hammers. Are you saying quick hammers are never Pro-town?

[Robbnva]

more votes on Dunhanger please.

Usually, I'd be right with you, but when Guppy and Slandaar (and you sometimes) are acting so much scummier, Dun is, by process of elimination, more likely to be town.

how on earth am I acting scummy? I'm the only person up in here scumhunting. I have made very valid points that everyone, including yourself have ignored.

How is quickhammering ever protown?

Can I get your official stance on quick hammers. Are you saying quick hammers are never Pro-town?

...Yes. I don't understand how this is an unusual stance.

I don't think it is an unusual stance if you actually meant it, but your very first post of the game you definitely implied that you are open to the idea of quick hammering as you said one of these days you were going to do it. If you think they are scummy, you would never consider doing it yourself...

I am also confused because if you REALLY felt that was true, you would be voting me but you aren't.

[Robbnva]

no my reading comprehension is just fine. you haven't provided reasoning for your votes. that is a fact.

The only people who talk about "Convenient mislynches"

says who? I have never heard that before. You are just pulling things out of your ass. I actually tried to do a search on this and I could only find 2 examples (not counting people in this game) who mention the phrase "Convenient mislynches" and both of those people were town...

I'm confused with your 2nd part, what are you trying to say because your post and his don't look the same.

[Robbnva]

See if we get the lynch wrong today we are in mylo tomorrow. Maybe people don't realize that and why everyone is so care free today but the fact is if we lynch wrong today town will most likely lose.

So I'm not allowing you or anyone else strong arm a lynch without valid reasons from everyone. And right now, we don't have people doing that.

This point needs to be made clearer.
5 town - 2 scum.

Tomorrow is likely 3:2

This lynch needs to be taken more serious than it is right now.

[Robbnva]

I'm not trying to be anything other than what I am.

[Robbnva]

Trying to be Mr.Protown is ridiculously contradictory to your quickhammer.

This contradicts your previous posts where after my hammer you didn't call me scum. Later you claimed that you and I were the same alignment.


Anyway, during my last post I saw Sable's name at the bottom which means he was online browsing the forum this thread is in. Now his name is gone and no post.

Where u at sable? Quit lurking.

[Robbnva]

I think both their play are sub-standard but I'm not convinced either is scum. Their play is kind of scummy but I don't see scum intent. The only one that worries me is guppy because sable makes a horrible case on him and he just accepts it and doesn't defend himself. But I don't really see either side doing that. Scum/town both have motivation to defend themselves.

By process of elimination and the fact not a single valid reason has been made for either of them makes me think scum is trying to push a mislynch.

The fact we are potentially going into mylo and nobody suspects the people who are committing actual scumtells, is quite worrisome to me.

[Robbnva]

Where are my examples? I asked you to provide examples where guppy did this. I mean you make the accusation, right now without examples they look baseless. Support your arguments or admit you were wrong.

b) Bad play is most likely to come about in three scenarios - where the player doesn't think, where the poster is stupid, and where the poster is scum.

you are missing one example. Where a player BELIEVES what he is saying, but the majority of the players don't agree with him and thus calls him a bad player.

FYI - playing badly isn't an alignment tell. Also someone being "scummy" isn't an alignment tell either. Lots of town players get lynched because they were scummy. That is how town pushes mislynches, which is why I want you to provide examples of this bad play that you say he is doing.

So it's impossible for someone to understand another person's perspective, or feel that their actions have good intentions, unless you also understand and agree with their arguments and reasoning? I suspect that Guppy simply felt that some of his posts had been substandard and understood why I might vote him as a result.

in my opinion yes. If he is town, than he would never agree that the points made against him are true.

Interesting. These posts - while not directly contradictory - don't feel right to me. Both feel generally pro-town, but they feel like they're coming from two different pro-town stances; one wanting action and a good number of votes to provide information, the other stressing caution and wanting discussion, debate and argument before moving forward. It seems off to me that you would post both of these perspectives within 24 hours, with nothing obvious in the thread that would make you change your position so rapidly. Townies are more likely to maintain the same perspective whereas scum are more likely to say whatever is necessary to appear pro-town, so these two posts taken together trip my scumdar pretty badly. Combine that with the craplogic, your blasé attitude at the start of the day, and your play day one..

YOu are completely wrong in this quote.

the first quote was in response to the self hammer the day before, it had nothing to do with wanting action today.

the other is a cautionary post because I am most people haven't realized that we are approaching in mylo.

They aren't contradictory at all and they certainly don't offer 2 different stances.

and you accuse of me being blasé ? do you even know what that means?

1. Having the sensibilities deadened by excess or frequency of enjoyment; sated or surfeited with pleasure; uninterested because of frequent exposure or indulgence; used up.
2. very sophisticated; versed in the ways of the world.
3. uninterested and attaching little importance; - of attitudes toward duties.

no way does this apply to me? You and McStab fit the example of being blasé for sure.

[Robbnva]

But N didn't gain town cred for opposing your lynch...

Assume you are town here and you got lynched, people are already suspecting guppy and your town flip doesn't help him much. People will still suspect him no matter what he did.

Aside from defending you, why else do you think guppy is scum?

Slandaar - is the reason you suspect N due to the "lurking" you claim he was doing or other things?

Also if lurking is a scum tell, thoughts on Sable who admitted he was lurking and thoughts on McStab who is also lurking.

And because I forgot to do this last night

vote: sable

[Robbnva]

My gut tells me scum is Sable/McStab although it's possible guppy is scum based solely on the fact he isn't defending himself and called sable's vote town motivated. My only reservation is the scum game of his I saw, he self hammered and he didn't do that here.

Everyone else has layers of scumminess but poe says they are town.

[Robbnva]

Maybe I wasn't clear that these were directed at you 2 bozos

@ N

But N didn't gain town cred for opposing your lynch...

Assume you are town here and you got lynched, people are already suspecting guppy and your town flip doesn't help him much. People will still suspect him no matter what he did.

Aside from defending you, why else do you think guppy is scum?

@ Slandaar -

is the reason you suspect N due to the "lurking" you claim he was doing or other things?

Also if lurking is a scum tell, thoughts on Sable who admitted he was lurking and thoughts on McStab who is also lurking.

[Robbnva]

@ guppy - why did you think FC was scum? looking through your posts I didn't really see much suspicion so I am curious why you voted him.

[Robbnva]

Maybe I wasn't clear that these were directed at you 2 bozos

@ N

But N didn't gain town cred for opposing your lynch...

Assume you are town here and you got lynched, people are already suspecting guppy and your town flip doesn't help him much. People will still suspect him no matter what he did.

Aside from defending you, why else do you think guppy is scum?

Whose lynch am I opposing (apart from "everyone except Slandaar and Guppy")? I didn't think there was enough of a day 1 to oppose nor endose a FC lynch.

I didn't say Guppy's plan of "defending" me was a good one; I just don't see any other reason for him doing it (and so clumsily too) other than to try to get town-cred. And I'm pretty sure I answered why I think Guppy is scum already: his distancing from Slandaar, his lack of input, and parroting others' opinions, for a start.

my error, I meant to say Guppy didn't get town cred from opposing your lynch.

You don't think it's possible for Guppy to honestly have a town read on you?

[Robbnva]

it's not a loaded question, from your posts it doesn't seem like you are open to the fact that he thought you were town. these posts sort of confirm my stance, as they seem you immediately jump to the conclusion he must be buddying you and there is no other explanation.

The case against N is balderdash. Slaandar just pulled a name out of his ass, and piled made-up evidence on the poor sucker. All N has done is defend himself against baseless accusations. Nothing scummy about that, no matter what Slaandar wants us to believe.

Thanks for repeating exactly what I was saying earlier without any input of your own.
VOTE: Guppy

You call repeating something defending? I call it buddying.

also can you please go over what this was in reference to? I don't think I ever saw you point out exactly what you were freaking out about.

What the fuck, Slandaar?

:head hurts:
:too many scummy people:
:nobody stands out as obv town, besides me:
:town is fucked:

[Robbnva]

I'm obv town to myself duh

But why didn't you ask him clarifying questions? That reaction was quite odd.

[Robbnva]

guys looking over the posts Sable just posted, I totally thought guppy had asked for a claim. I realize that nobody did. I really fucked up and probably deserve to be lynched, but than again this isn't elementary school so he should have taken being at L-1 more serious than he did. He should not have ignored questions and he should have defended his actions.

as for Sable's other posts about guppy, I disagree with them but it's just a difference of opinion. Guppy seems to be playing the way he always does, which is borderline scummy. :shrug:

[Robbnva]

no, i already posted my defense for my hammer. I was just adding in there that I only now realized he was never asked to claim. I had posted earlier that he was asked to claim and obviously he hadn't.

You say there is no rush? I personally like quick day 1s.
was my excuse bad? - nope it wasn't. I stand by my hammer and if that gets me lynched so be it.
scum? - nope I'm not scum.

I do love the way you actively lurk like that. You have a habit of coming in at just the right moments...

Timestamp of FC's putting Bemage at L-1 - 10:03 AM
timestamp of McStab's "angry townie" vote on FC - 10:18 AM

timestamp of me telling McStab to not ignore my question - 12:02 AM
timestamp of McStab responding with a very lippy response - 12:08 AM

Dunhanger takes vote off FC and votes N - 4:10 PM
McStab comes in and says FC should not be left off the hook - 4:37 PM

my hammer of FC - 7:47 pm
McSatb to come in and play white knight saying "if I am not around tomorrow" because somehow he is the most obv town player 7:50 pm

I admit I made an error in realizing that nobody had asked for a claim. - 12:57 pm
he comes in and makes sure to pounce on me and call me scum - 1:15 pm


Dude is paying attention. All of this points to active lurking.

look at his iso. he is providing no content what so ever and he won't even support his votes with any sort of valid reasoning.

post 53 I ask him why someone should put FC at L-1 and he ignores it.
post 54 I point out that he has still ignored the question

post 157 he says he will post a case on me

I've been super busy, my apologies.

Right now I'm really thinking Robb scum, but I'll actually post a case soon. His quickhammer before a claim is bad, and I thought he was scum anyway yesterday before that.

but he still hasn't.

Active lurking, refusing to provide reasons for his votes, refusing to answer questions, & denying content - anyone who says McStab is town needs to seriously re-evaluate.

Vote: mcstab

that's my final vote for the game phase. if I get lynched today, please for the love of god lynch this bastard tomorrow.

[Robbnva]

fair enough, I will go back and look for those reasons. If my memory serves me you were voting him for pressure, despite saying you will only vote for people you think are scum. but that's just semantics.

What is your read on McStab?

What are your thoughts of my recent post where I point to specific examples that look like he is actively lurking? Do you think it's pure coincidence or do you think there is some validity to my accusation?

[Robbnva]

that's my final vote for the game phase. if I get lynched today, please for the love of god lynch this bastard tomorrow.

Sigh.

You are Useless

[Robbnva]

well your post sure looks like a lot of busy work, but your conclusions are sort of flawed.

You have essentially eliminated the possibility of Mcstab/Dun/Sable being scum which just isn't possible. Sable and McStab especially have lurked, Dunhanger has been wishy washy and provided no real content.

I concede guppy and N are scummy, but than again so is everyone else alive. Even you are scummy at times, like the way you accused N for lurking when he just replaced into the game.

your VCA doesn't really amount up to much and it certainly doesn't confirm N is scum.

based on play thus far, I would argue the evidence is there to support a Sable/Mcstab scum team. McStab only mentions sable 1 time all game and he basically says he has no read on him.

Sable does something much more incriminating, something that is blatant distancing. He posts saying he wants to hear more from the lurkers and than specifically someone who at the time wasn't lurking. It was his first mention of him and came off as fake. It is one of the newb mistakes I have made myself back in the day so that is why it sticks out to me now. When i ask him why he singled out that McStab isn't providing "reasonsings for his reasonsings" (does this even make any sense?) but he says Dun is pro town (despite the fact that dun has not provided a single reason for his stances)

it just doesn't add up to me. Sable/McStab scum team makes the most sense.

N/Guppy make some sense, but not nearly as much as Sable/McStab.

[Robbnva]

Sable does something much more incriminating, something that is blatant distancing. He posts saying he wants to hear more from the lurkers and than specifically someone who at the time wasn't lurking. It was his first mention of him and came off as fake. It is one of the newb mistakes I have made myself back in the day so that is why it sticks out to me now.

When i ask him why he singled out that McStab isn't providing "reasonsings for his reasonsings" (does this even make any sense?) but he says Dun is pro town (despite the fact that dun has not provided a single reason for his stances)

You really seem to like that phrase, which I used once when summarising my thoughts (despite the fact that the rest of my post made my point obvious). Between that and you challenging my use of the word blasé, it almost feels like you're trying to discredit me by making me look stupid.

McStab had not clearly explained his reasoning at that point. I agree that Dunhamganger also hasn’t really explained his reasoning of late – and I would appreciate him being a bit clearer – but at least earlier on in the game, he was quoting the bits of posts that made him think the way he has, so his reasoning was obvious.

yes I do like that phrase, it's hands down the funniest thing I have read. And your use of the word blase just doesn't fit. But I can't convince you you are wrong, just like you can't convince me that I am wrong (because i am not)

I agree with you 100% about McStab and his lack of reasonings and I can see the point you are making about Dunhanger, but if this is how you truly felt, why did you feel the need to sit back and do nothing about it? Why not hold people accountable and ask them questions? I mean you didn't even vote him or attempt to pressure him.

instead you did this

I was more hesitant than I should have been and the more that I hesitated, the harder it was for me to absorb the game. Then I didn’t want to make a substandard post, so I just didn’t post. It was a bad call on my part.

This is one of the main reasons why I think you are scum. It's hard for certain people to play well as scum, I often find myself writing and re-writing my posts 3 or 4 times when I am scum because i am worried how they will sound. When I am town I often post from my phone and don't give 2 cents how my post sounds because i know I can back it up. I have played with others who have done similar things. They see stuff going on and they lay low.

It's a scumtell for me, because I have seen it first hand more than enough. If you are town, one of your most powerful weapons in this game is your voice and being afraid to use it isn't something town does.

[Robbnva]

Hey Zito am I getting punked? I feel like i'm getting punked.

[Robbnva]

funny you say I am ignoring logic and reason, when this is your very first post actually doing so.

I'm not wildly accusing people, it's not my fault these people are doing obviously scummy things. Take you for example, if you are actually town I have to shake my head because you have been overly scummy. People say things that are scummy, as a result I pressure them and vote them. It's better than sitting back doing nothing like you have been doing. Like Sable has been doing, like McStab had been doing, like N has been doing, like Guppy has been doing.

you say I have barely mentioned N but that's just not true. I have mentioned him and questioned him quite a few times. meanwhile you haven't done jack shit. so take a long walk off a short pier if you are going to continue to be useless. (I'm trying to break my habit of cursing, consider yourself lucky)


Maybe if you could piece a couple of these content filled posts together and outline why you are voting who you are and why you suspect who you suspect we could get somewhere.

[Robbnva]

N - can you outline why you are voting for Slandaar?

[Robbnva]

I've said what I need to. I'm confident in Slaand town, and I'm confident in Robb scum. I'm pretty sure scum hopped on the Fourseen wagon, and Robb jumped on for the worst of reasons. My reasons were pretty clear I felt; he was posting nothing of substance, making huge logical fallacies that struck me as something no townsperson could make, and refused to defend himself. I had townreads on Benmage and Dunham, and null-town read on Sable Tip. I've since soldified my reads to the following:

Town:
McStab
Slandaar
Sable Tip
Dunham

Scum:
N
Guppy
Robb


In no particular order, however Robb is the clearest scum to me. Hammering without a claim is bad, and we can't let him live till LyLo even if he is town. Associative links exist between him, Guppy and N, so a scumflip would confirm many of my townreads theories as to who are scum along with my own reads.

Slandaar, I will /sheep Sland tomorrow if you join me on a Robb lynch today.

oh really?

1. What were these "worst of reasons" I'd love to hear in your own words what you think the reasons I voted him were.
2. What logical fallacies was FC making?
3. I will concede you are right about not defending themselves, but sadly as much as I think it sucks, that alone isn't a scumtell. It's null.
4. what associative links are you referring to. Please provide examples of these so called links between myself an guppy/N
5. you have ignored the question I asked you WAY back in post 45. You said I "ignored the whole issue with FC" which issue were you referring to exactly?

[Robbnva]

And if you honestly believe that Benmage got to L-1 with only town on the wagon that quickly with such shitty reasons then you're delusional. Had to be scum on the wagon, and Ben had to be town because of it, in my mind.

you are honestly telling me you have never seen an RVS wagon before? RVS wagons don't need to have valid reasons, it doesn't mean we are going to actually lynch him.

that's actually how we caught scum in this game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8&start=25

scum got way too excited about KL getting to L-1 on page 2, he felt the wagon was serious. This is sort of what you are doing/did in a round about way. Obviously your playstyle is different, but you are harping on that RVS wagon like it meant something. You used that as a way to push a lynch on FC.

[Robbnva]

1. So the reason I hammered was because you think i'm scum? No the reason I hammered was because he ignored my question & others, he wasn't posting much, and he comes here and dosent defend himself and drops an omgus vote. Nice try but you failed to answer this properly

2. That quote is an example of which fallacies? You implied he committed 2 or more logical fallacies yet your example doesn't really point to any.

3. Right, so he's a bad player. That's not a good reason to lynch someone.

4. This is complete BS, I'll prove this wrong later.

5. ROFL COPTER. Post 38/39 FC was put at L-2, post 40 dun posts a list of things and called them scummy, post 43 I call him out on it. The "wagon" I was ignoring has just formed. Not to mention I has already asked FC to explain his earlier post.


See, this is why I wanted him to post more. The more he talks, the more he is painting himself into a corner. Can we please lynch him now? He has essentially failed


Oh I wanted to say sonething else, in mcstabb's post 252 he says im lining up lynches, which isn't true. All I did was say who I think is scum. I never said lynch McStab today and sable tomorrow. If we lynched McStab and he flipped scum, my reads could change depending on who was on the wagon. If McStab flipped scum I doubt I would even be alive as i'd be the only clear cut townie who saw through his smoke and mirrors.

Now, more votes on McStab. As dun said, his post on the last page reaked of scum mentality. His posts this page aren't any better. At the very least can we put him to l-2/l-1 for pressure?

I have never felt more strongly about something in my life.

Oh and Slandaar


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2
3
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Lol

[Robbnva]

It's been pretty clear to me since the start of this that N, you, and Guppy have been advocating either Slandscum, McScum or Sablescum depending on when the opportunities have arisen.

1. N never calls you scum nor does he really show any suspicion towards you. N never really mentions sable either and criticizes me for thinking Sable is scum. N pretty much ONLY suspects Slandaar and Guppy.

2. Guppy says your posts have seemed pretty town, implies Sable is town because he says his vote on guppy is "town motivated"

3. I personally don't have a single town read but I have been pretty consistent that you and Sable are scum. There were times that both guppy and N have done stuff that made me go WTF because it's not something I suspect to come from town, but than again I also did the same for Dunhanger. Personally I have no read on Slandaar. I think he is probably the most towniest person in the game, but than the fact he accused N for lurking which just isn't true worries me.

So yeah, you are just making things up.

You may not directly reference each other, but you share the same views towards the game

The above posts also proves this isn't true.

vote in the same general direction without directing attention to yourselves.

quick recap since I have voted the most.

I vote ben - Guppy never follows suit, and N wasn't here yet
I vote guppy - Guppy votes Dun and N still isn't here yet but when he gets here he votes slandaar
I hammer fourseen - nobody can follow me
I vote dun, guppy follows me but N does not
I vote Mcstab - immediately N votes guppy and guppy does nothing
I vote Sable - Guppy votes Slandaar and N does nothing
I vote dunhanger - you vote me (note this was after you promised to post a case on me and failed to deliver which is what scum often do) Guppy follows suit and votes dun
I vote Sable - nobody else changes their votes
I vote Mcstab - nobody changes their votes.

So basically N has only voted Slander and Guppy and nobody else
Guppy has voted Dun 3 different times, twice after I have voted dun and once he did it on his own. Guppy also votes slandaar
Myself - I vote a plethora of people based on who is scummiest at the time.

so again I have proven you wrong again.

You have no case on me other than I hammered a scummy player who happened to flip town PR. That's it.

can we PLEASE lynch McStab now?

[Robbnva]

So somebody starts to see I am making sense and that automatically makes us linked, but he isn't actually voting you but that doesn't really matter. It really looks like you are pulling things out of your ass.

I could accuse you and Sable as having an associative link because you both share the same general view...

I could point to posts 85 through 90 and accuse Dun and Slandaar as having associative links.

but I am not because it's fucking stupid and probably not true. I have disproven your allegations of associative links and what do you do? just ignore it. What else have you done? ignored N and Guppy. You claim we are linked but in reality your entire series of posts day 2 have been pushing on me. The only time you really waiver is when dunhanger starts asking you questions, because of course you need him on your side. If dunhanger starts thinking you are scum than your cover is blown and it's GG town for finally seeing the light.

Also when we face a potential mylo tomorrow, you don't policy lynch.

another thing, your anger over my hammer would make sense if you actually were opposed to a FC lynch. But you weren't, you were one of the ones PUSHING for his lynch. At least 3 times you are telling people to vote/lynch FC and when we listen, and do it now you act like he was a bad lynch.

and did you really just say "on top of all the other factors that render him scummy"

you posted your reasoning why I was scum. I disproved most of them and even showed where you just fabricated some of it.

none of your play makes sense from town, the kill of benmage was probably made by you because he was calling you out on your bullshit, and now when people are starting to listen to what I have to say you are making sure you are around to post more.


@ sable - why did you feel the need to apologize for not posting today when you didn't feel the need to do that all of day 1 when you lurked on purpose? makes no sense.


I'm off to do some research on quick hammers, regardless of what I find I will post my results. I am totally fine being lynched today btw as long as everyone promises to lynch Mcstab tomorrow when I flip town. Because I absolutely will flip town.

[Robbnva]

Look at the opportunism by McStab. That's amazing how quick you got in here to put him at l-1 despite pushing for my lynch all day.

[Robbnva]

I sure hope I'm wrong here, but my gut says he flips town.

[Robbnva]

I honestly do not see how that is possible. What has he done that's good for town?

I could argue the same about everyone but me...

[Robbnva]

I've been scum huting and pointing out questionable things. Asking people to provide explanations for their reads/votes. Trying to get the lurkers to stop lurking.

And u?

[Robbnva]

I was just on a scum lynch. What lynches have you been involved in? Oh, that's right: a quick hammer on a town PR!

You know for a fact he is scum eh?

[Robbnva]

I don't see any scum intent in his posts. He makes sense most of the time. McStab posted lies and BS info, but everyone ignores it.

If he flips scum, I'll take the heat. But he isn't close to the scummiest player.

[Robbnva]

If he flips scum, town gets 1 free lynch
If he flips town, it's mylo

If he flips scum it's going to be me or you tomorrow and the other the next day so yeah lol at you too.

[Robbnva]

Hopefully sonething stops the kill tonight. That would be awesome.

[Robbnva]

I could argue the same about everyone but me...

Sigh.

If/when we win I'm nominating you for "Worst Town Performance in a Winning Effort."

(Or maybe you're scum. I don't even know anymore.)

Hopefully sonething stops the kill tonight. That would be awesome.

I don't... what are you even... jesus.

I'll be nominating the entire playerset...

[Robbnva]

Yeah I fucked up and if guppy flips town, I'll have redeemed myself cause scum will be obvious.

[Robbnva]

Obviously I need to re-read but I'll probably be voting for N.

[Robbnva]

Well I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm not scum. It's probably best to lynch me today to eliminate all doubt in lylo tomorrow.

Personally I'm shocked you are alive...

[Robbnva]

N is the obvious choice for his slip. I'm only obvious because of my hammer.

If you think as scum id defend my buddy you are retarded. The other scum was on the wagon. I never ever defend my scum buddies when I'm scum.

[Robbnva]

I rarely see scum defend their buddy. So the N slip has me concerned. I really think N is the last scum, but guppy defending him has we skeptical.

Dun kept calling guppy scum but never really tried to get him lynched. (actually he NEVER votes guppy until the hammer. )

If Dunhanger thought guppy and I were scum together way back in post 128, why did he not vote either of us?

Dunhanger only voted 2 people all game. FC & N.

Still going to re-read, but that was some food for thought.

P. Edit - you are pulling shit out of your ass right now.

[Robbnva]

Im not backing off, it's still probably best for town to lynch me, but I'm not self voting...

The fact you never voted guppy or myself is quiet interesting considering he seemed to be your biggest scum read.

Btw, if you agree I should be lynched, why are you waiting to vote me? You need permission from N & Slandaar?

vote: dunhanger

When I flip town, please lynch this dude.

[Robbnva]

If anyone thinks there is a chance I'm scum, please vote me. Lylo should be much easier without me around.

But based off the new info i just found, I'm positive there is a guppy/dun connection.

[Robbnva]

Ive got nothing else to add. Lynch me or Dun. I thought it was N but the obvious distancing by dun just makes sense.

[Robbnva]

I was just on a scum lynch. What lynches have you been involved in? Oh, that's right: a quick hammer on a town PR!

N is the obvious choice for his slip.

What slip? That I'd been calling Guppy scum all day

and then he was scum

? Or that I thought the FC lynch was a quickhammer?

There was one person calling McStab scum all day yesterday, and he just flipped town too; who was that again? Oh, it's you. I'll give you one thing: you picked up that no one wanted to lynch McStab and you knew the only way to kill him was nightkill.

Barring Slandaar coming in and doing something extremely stupid (and I'm not going to put that past him), I think I know where my vote will be today.

The slip -

I was just on a scum lynch

Mcstabb is a f'tard. Actively lurking, trying to lynch me solely based in the hammer, not scum hunting, and fabricating evidence to use against me. You damn right I was trying to get him lynched.

I'd like a detailed explanation how slaandar went from Guppy's scum buddy to he is now town. I dont get how you get there especially when guppy flips scum. Please explain.

[Robbnva]

Slandaar, why don't you suspect me? Everyone else Seems to.

Also thoughts on Dunhanger pushing me/guppy scum team but never voted either of us until he hammered guppy.

[Robbnva]

Why did u ignore my question N?

You called scum team as guppy/Slandaar. Why is Slandaar not scum anymore.

[Robbnva]

I'd like a detailed explanation how slaandar went from Guppy's scum buddy to he is now town.

I dont get how you get there especially when guppy flips scum.

Please explain.

Make sure to explain how Guppy's scum flip alters your read please.

P. edit. Mass claim is fine with me.


P.edit part 2 - lol I certainly asked a question, I re-quoted it for you cause obviously you can't read. I'm not flailing cause I know I'll flip town and I've asked to be lynched. How is that flailing?

[Robbnva]

Post 311 is where I ask the question that you have ignores btw, it's on the same page so learn to read better please.

[Robbnva]

N: Claim.

And after you claim, answer my question.

[Robbnva]

@Robb: Normally when you ask a question, you use this punctuation mark

called

a "question mark." There actually isn't one in the post that you quoted or the text that you bolded. So.

Massclaim is fine, if potentially unexciting. Notice how excited Robb is at the prospect of getting to lynch N instead of following through on his plan to trade his lynch for mine. Curiouser and curiouser.

if I asked a normal question, yes you typically would have a question mark

when you request something from somebody you don't use a question mark.

requesting something from someone is also an example of asking a question. It's just a different method.

I asked him to provide a detailed explanation of how his theory of a guppy/slandaar scum team doesn't exists anymore now that guppy flipped scum.

so kindly STFU you obtuse dickhead

[Robbnva]

Notice how excited Robb is at the prospect of getting to lynch N instead of following through on his plan to trade his lynch for mine. Curiouser and curiouser.

you are reaching so bad right now because this isn't true. I do want him to answer the question, but my vote is on you.

Asking him to clarify how his reads changed so dramatically is a legit question. The fact that he is ignoring it is quite intriguing.

But I have already said I am fine being lynched, I am not backing down. I don't want to be around in lylo, I'd rather the game rest in the balance of somebody else. But I am not self voting so you need to convince 2 other people to vote me dunhanger.

[Robbnva]

Oh, your "question" was a repeat of what Slandaar said just the post before? I didn't answer it directly because you said exactly the same thing Slandaar had just said. I like to think that when I post something in this thread, everybody reads it,

even if it doesn't contain their name.

Do I need to include your name so you'll read it?

Robbnva

, my answer to your question in post 311 is in post 312.

you obviously have a reading problem...

Slandaar asked you why you thought guppy was scum.

I asked you why your read on slandaar changed with a guppy scum flip, because you were pushing a guppy/slandaar scum team.


you don't see how these are different?

you never answerd the question, and now you are trying to avoid it by saying my question was a "repeat" which isn't true. you then try and deflect by saying "I like to think that when I post something in this thread, everybody reads it, even if it doesn't contain their name."

bottom line is you have not explained why Slandaar isn't scum anymore.

this is the ONLY thing you have said on the matter

That was my original reasoning, but then he did some other scummy things. I've reread you in isolation and now think you're not scum, just an idiot.

so please, again this time I will use a question mark

Can you please explain in as much detail as possible, how your read changed on slandaar given guppy flipped scum and you said they were a scum pair?

[Robbnva]

ebwop - 312 doesn't explain the answer to my question like you claim it does.

[Robbnva]

And N is still not claiming btw.


P.edit - asking why your read has changed on Slandaar isn't anything remotely close to what Slandaar asked you. He asked why was guppy scum. I'm asking why Slandaar isn't scum.

And you accuse me of flailing?

[Robbnva]

Your next post needs to be a claim. After that you need to explain how Slandaar went from Guppy's scum buddy to an idiot. Links and what not would be useful.

[Robbnva]

Dunhanger, who is your main account? I'm assuming you must be an alt so I'd really like to know who your main is please.

[Robbnva]

:whistles:
:twiddles thumbs:
:knits sweater:
:takes nap:

[Robbnva]

I saw that post by N, but the point of a mass claim is you are supposed to come out and claim it. Not tap dance around it. Why was it so hard for him to claim VT?


see, look how easy it is.

I claim VT

as for me offering myself up for lynch being a scum gambit - meh, think what you want but if I am a liability in the game, and people think town has a better chance of winning without me, I will gladly put myself on the block. i did it in this game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=21920 and town won.


but as long as I am alive I am going to question everyone. There isn't a single obv town person in this game from my point of view. The closest perhaps is Slandaar, but like I said some of the things he has said and done are sketchy.

you are next sable.

[Robbnva]

I saw that post by N, but the point of a mass claim is you are supposed to come out and claim it. Not tap dance around it. Why was it so hard for him to claim VT?


see, look how easy it is.

I claim VT

as for me offering myself up for lynch being a scum gambit - meh, think what you want but if I am a liability in the game, and people think town has a better chance of winning without me, I will gladly put myself on the block. i did it in this game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=21920 and town won.


but as long as I am alive I am going to question everyone. There isn't a single obv town person in this game from my point of view. The closest perhaps is Slandaar, but like I said some of the things he has said and done are sketchy.

you are next sable.

[Robbnva]

Oh shit, we lost. Yeah well tierce was a fucktard much like Dunhanger is acting.

Why do you call defending yourself flailing? Why do you think that is a negative anyway?

[Robbnva]

Interesting. Ok let's get this over so I can change my vote...

[Robbnva]

There is no way there are 3 power roles. I have NEVER seen 3 PRs in a 9P game ever.

Tracker/neighborizer/JK is way too much town power.

vote: sable

[Robbnva]

Thats hammer and he was probably the scum.

No I'm not hammered yet. And I'm still town. Get your head out your ass. Sable is scum guaranteed. There is not 3 PRs in a 9P

Sometimes you don't even see 3 in a 13P

[Robbnva]

Sable, why would you not JK me? You were voting me yesterday so you thought I was scum.

[Robbnva]

Keep in mind sable said this

At the moment, I think a Robb / Guppy pairing is most likely, then N / Slandaar, then McStab / Guppy. It’s also possible that only one of N and Slandaar are scum; in this case I would think the most likely partner is Robb.

So why did he block N?

[Robbnva]

I targeted N night 2 because I felt he was one of the least scummy after a Guppy scumflip and because I felt pretty sure he wasn't a power role.

This is a BS reason for blocking N. why would he not block his top scum read.

Sable lynch wins this game today. I know it's hard to do but you really gotta trust me on this one. Let me redeem myself here. Sable is scum.

[Robbnva]

What's the record for the most amount of posts in a row that makes sense?

Sable can't be town, it's impossible.

The only thing you fuckers have on me is I quick hammered. Other than that I have been the most pro town player in the game.

[Robbnva]

Not to mention when sable voted guppy, guppy called him town for it. ROFL

[Robbnva]

Wait

mod, was this game approved for normalcy only or normal/balanced?

If its approved for balance than you are confirmed scum. Have gone through the review process myself (on another account ) there is NO WAY 3 town PRs were approved for balance.

And if by some chance it was, the review squad needs to be fired. 3 town pr vs 2 scum is unbalanced, no matter how powerful the scum role.

Plus. Usually scum cant do their action AND kill, which means scum pr did not use his action to prevent guppy from killing?

I'm not buying that.

[Robbnva]

I agree that three power roles feels like a lot for a game this size. I can only assume that there's scum power as well to balance it.

Why would I fake a JK claim as scum here? There are two possible results of that:

- If there were no other power roles, I've brought attention on myself without reason. A terrible idea for scum in this situation.
- If there was another power role, I've reduced the game to thee-or-me on the basis that if three PRs are unlikely, four are right out. In this case I would autolose with back-to-back lynches.

But you realize dun has basically said its me today, you tomorrow. So either way you get lynched.

Reading back I can easily see distancing between you an guppy. The only thing that worries me is you put guppy at l-1 on day 1, that's my only reservation.

Slandaar hopped off when guppy was put at l-1. Early on, but later he hops back on.

Idk, logic says you are scum.

[Robbnva]

Oh maybe dun didn't say that. Thought he did.

[Robbnva]

If you are town, my gut is Dunhanger is scum and has been trolling.

Still today is probably best to lynch me but I'm not happy about it. I've done nothing but try to spot out who scum is, with this many bad players in 1 game it's pretty fucking easy for scum to blend in. Btw, don't block Slandaar tonight, you should block dun IMO. (assuming your legit)

If there is a NK tomorrow, it's still mylo and you should NL. Scum could be fucking around by NK'ing.

mod, is there a limit to the amount of times scum can NK?

Don't lynch until there are 3 people. IMO.

[Robbnva]

Thanks mod.

Vote stays on sable.

[Robbnva]

i'm not scum, you fucking twit. I have proved myself over and over again, I am fucking oozing town. if you are town, log out and never come back and play again.

I was the most obv town player alive. like i said the ONLY thing I did wrong was the quick hammer. I did it cause I genuinely thought he was scum and he wasn't trying to defend himself.

It's either Sable or Dun

Good luck town

[Robbnva]

and btw, my so called "complaints" of the setup, aren't fucking complaints. they are legitimate observations that there has never been a single 9P game in the history of MS (that I could find anyways) that had 3 town PRs.

even if you argue that the neighborizer doesn't really count or it's a weak PR, there is stil no way this makes a balanced setup. thus proving Sable's claim is fake. If by some small chance, this game REALLY has 3 town PRs, you need to hang tomorrow.

[Robbnva]

Sable, pick your poison (but don't tell nobody).

Robb, I gave up on you not being a twat in real life a long time ago, so good to see you keeping up the bluster.

your attitude today is not how I would expect a townie to act. You aren't even taking the time to analyze things.

you partially defended me yesterday and than today you drop it and go "oh well, rob is obv scum, let's lynch him" when you have nothing on me. If you are actually town, you are trolling. you don't care who wins or loses. If you are scum, well than yeah it makes sense.


p.edit - regardless of what sable is, please lynch dunhamganger tomorrow as a policy lynch. he deserves it.

[Robbnva]

you wasted today by rushing the lynch. you didn't even consider anything I posted nor did you give anyone else time to process it. there was no rush to hammer. Day 1 quick hammer, acceptable. Day 3 quick hammer when it leads to lylo isn't.

you didn't even give N the opportunity to respond to Sable's claim. You didn't let Slandaar time to post things he wanted to say.

if you are town, you did something far worse than my hammer on day 1. It's now going to be lylo tomorrow and one townie won't be around tomorrow to post his thoughts, and I am willing to bet my life on it that you won't be the one NK'd...

so yeah, you just made a mistake worst than me and if town loses, you will be nominated for the worst town performance.

good night.

[Robbnva]

if sable is scum, im the only one who suspected him
if you are scum I'm the only one who suspected you besides scum

not my fault players do things that are obviously scummy

I never had a solid scum - read on N which is why I never voted him
I never had a solid scum read on slandaar which is why I never voted him.

Sable/Mcstab/you were all guilty of of scummy play and general lurking. I was suspicious of Guppy early on, but than he just looked too townie.

meanwhile you on the other hand never voted guppy until you hammered him, even early on where you were SO SURE, he was scum. you voted with the pack.

so yeah, I had the same amount of correct reads as you. ONE

[Robbnva]

why didn't you allow people the time to talk? why didn't you allow N the opportunity to chime in on the claims?

he was the first person to say that there is probably no more PRs left, and you don't even give him the chance to speak.

why did you do that?

please explain why did you feel the need to rush today's lynch?

[Robbnva]

so ur scum rite?

no you moron. I'm not scum

God damn U are such a troll

[Robbnva]

Unfortunately if you are actually town sable, you have to announce who you will JK.

[Robbnva]

Well, that all happened. I'm still not sure that Robb isn't scum, though.

If he isn't, Sable should claim who they're jailkeeping. If Sable ends up getting killed, we'll have another confirmed-town.

Why do you think I am scum? The quick hammer? Or something else?

I still don't understand how your reads on Slandaar changed 180. Even if you are actually town, you have to see how scummy that looks right?

All I have done is point out scummy behavior. From dun not explaining his reads, sable lurking in purpose, McStab's opportunistic behavior and making up lies, Guppy's stupid FOS day 1 & his calling sable town for voting him.

I mean all of you, even Slandaar was guilty of acting scummy. I was the only one questioning things.

I honestly thought guppy asked for a claim, that hammer was my only mistake IMO.

If Sable dies and flips town, please lynch Dun without hesitation.

[Robbnva]

No, I don't see why I was scummy, I'm getting punished for my hammer and for having a slight town read on guppy.

[Robbnva]

I appreciate your insistence on being jailed, Slandaar, but I will be jailing Dunhamganger tonight, not you.

Still think setup spec dictates you are scum, but if not ^5 for that choice. Obv scum is obv.

[Robbnva]

yeah - newbie games only get 2 PRs

completed 9P games I could find

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=17378 - town had Doc and BP townie
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=11708 - odd night doc/even night cop
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=18035 - town had 1 shot cop and doc

those are 3 I could find, I am sure there are more but I just don't have the time to look right now.

[Robbnva]

lol dun. I was obvTown. Like I said the only thing I did wrong was hammer before the claim.

Slandaar gets credit for the win IMO. Nice job today.

I'm happy I was right about Sable, don't think anyone else suspected him before I was wrongfully lynched

[Robbnva]

Good playing with most of you. Apologies to FC for the ill advised hamme

[Robbnva]

I think by most metrics, Robb, your play in this game was sub-par, if not downright scummy (though I think it was certainly the latter as well). That said, I'm glad we are able to pull out a win, especially since all Sable really had to do last night was to "JK Slandaar" like we asked him to and then kill N.

I'll admit my play wasn't great, but other then my hammer what really was scummy? The fact I was questioning people? The fact I was scum hunting? I mean the day I got lynched I made very good posts why people should look at Sable instead of me but You hammered me before letting anyone else read and respond to my posts. I feel your hanmer was worse then mine because you denied town info, the WORST part was when you basically made the same arguments today that I made before I got lynched. It's almost like you plagiarized me.

In reality you just sort if half-assed your way through the game doing very little scum hunting. You called guppy scum but you never actively tried to get him lynched. So you can't even take credit for being right about him.

You were much scummier of a player then I was, in my opinion anyway. I got lynched and you didn't.

I'm curious, why was Ben killed?