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[BabyJesus]

hi

[BabyJesus]

Hi! yea, I forgot about this game, sorry guys. I will

vote armlx

for now.

Ok, let me go check to see what the heck my role is, then I'll add more. You guys can focus on lynching armlx meanwhile.

[BabyJesus]

ok, checked my role. good news! I'm pro-town! yaay! Glad to see I'm not scum with armlx, that would be awkward....

Thoughts:

1) SpeedyKQ, do you pick which players gets your fake role?
2) Graken -
3) No reason not to finish off armlx at this point

[BabyJesus]

All, I have to travel this weekend and not sure if I will have internet access. I will be back on Monday around noon. I have already let Halo know via PM.

Okay, to flavor claim now. I am The Doomed Hero. Since I can't repeat verbatim, essentially, I get to investigate one player each night. The fruits of your labor are hardly ever praised and accordingly, if your character is protected then it does no good, cause after all, you are doomed to die for the sake of the town. Hopefully, you can do something to help.

Well, hope that helps. I have to split now. I'll see you all on Monday at the latest.

WHy the hell are you telling us this? I realize you guys like the whole "Lych all liars" bullshit, but this is freaking ridiculous.

[BabyJesus]

1) SpeedyKQ, do you pick which players gets your fake role?

Yes. But I need to ask the mod if I'm allowed to target the same person over and over again or not.

I need to give this game a good read to look for scumminess. I admit I've mostly been worried about how to deal with my own role so far.

I suggest you target Graken tonight.....

[BabyJesus]

Get with the programme Green Crayons,
Poirot did pick up on it and after input from a couple of others, I addressed it.
Read my posts.
I am still waiting for BabyJesus to tell us why he thinks armlx is scum?

your protection of armlx is noted.

[BabyJesus]

PS. I think you will find (if you read back) that matjoeman and green crayons also want to know your thoughts.
If you think you have some info, then share it with us, thats the whole point lol

armlx is on the list. See sig.

[BabyJesus]

Well that was helpful, thanks for that

8)

[BabyJesus]

Good plan BJ

Vote: the rest of the people on BJ's sig

. LASigd

they will all get whats coming to them.....

[BabyJesus]

I suggest you target Graken tonight.....

Why should he manipulate the role name and description for someone who is - more than likely - going to die?

because the only reason for this role is the existence of a role cop. And I'm of the opinion our role cop getting reliable info is a good thing......


Unless Speedy KQ is scum. In which case he's not gonna do what we ask anyway...

[BabyJesus]

Exactly, if Graken lives he will have a 100% chance of getting a real role, unless he investigates himself.

is Graken the role cop? I must have missed that, I thought he just said cop....

[BabyJesus]

because the only reason for this role is the existence of a role cop. And I'm of the opinion our role cop getting reliable info is a good thing......

I was under the impression that Speedy doesn't get role information, he merley makes up a role name and description that if someone else investigates, they'll get that false information instead of the real deal. I'm still not following.

His role ability sounds detrimental to the town, so I'm under the opinion that he shouldn't target anyone.

Yea, fine. Target someone about to die, or don;t use it, same thing. I don't know if he's allowed to not use it, which is why I suggested Graken.

Same net effect, we want our role cop (if not Graken) to get a clean view, and not have to worry about getting a bogus role from Speedy KQ.

Or maybe we should just lynch Speedy....

[BabyJesus]

unvote, vote speedy

I'm pretty sure we have another cop, plus a doc obviously
Speedy's role does not help the town, nor will confirmation of his ability to manipulate role info prove he is pro town. AT this point, it seems even a plain townie is more valuable....

[BabyJesus]

Assuming speedy's role was truth, do you think he's pro-town or mafia, BabyJesus? He may be less valuable than vanilla (depending on if the mafia have an investigator), but if he's more probably town, then he's not a better lynch, is he?

I don't know. I DO know he's not going to be a kill target for the mafia. So are we willing to accept his claim all game? Do we wait and hope he's investigated? Do we even want to use an investigation on him? And is it worth potentially running up the doc D1?

I'll

unvote

for now. I'm not convinced he's scum. I'm not convinced he's pro-town either tho. Does his role sound like a pro-town role?

Thinking about it - might be worth waiting to see if a mafia cop shows up...that would go a ways towards convincing me he's good.

[BabyJesus]

Right now, it may be more beneficial to look at something that could get us information in the long run. We've spent this time arguing about Graken's mistake. We need to do something that would get us closer to what we need.

such as?

[BabyJesus]

Just finished a reread. I think people are too quick to let Graken off the hook. I can totally see a newer player trying to be slick with something like this. I don't want to lynch him just yet, but we really shouldn't consider him confirmed. Besides, the more we express doubt over his innocense, the more likely he is to be spared by the scum if he really is a cop.

And why do people think I should target Graken with my ability tonight? The big downside to that is it prevents a real cop/second cop from checking him. I'm thinking I should target myself, and to keep me honest I suggest somebody else choose the rolename and ability.

why the hell would another cop view graken??

[BabyJesus]

vote speedy

hammah!!!

[BabyJesus]

... Well, I was going to ask him to explain first, but I think that's lynch anyway, right?

[BabyJesus]

Game started in day, 12 alive, seven to lynch, right?

Falcone, Dodgy, Poirot, Graken, Adele, BabyJesus. Who've I missed?

he's dead, Jim.

[BabyJesus]

That doesn't answer my question and is just annoying.

it only gets worse.

[BabyJesus]

Are you really a girl?

[BabyJesus]

Interesting. Is this something often questioned? It seems odd to have to remind yourself of it in your sig....

[BabyJesus]

If it's seven to lynch and only six have voted... he would still be alive..

Fine, you're right, and I'm wrong.

[BabyJesus]

why are we arguing with the dead guy?

[BabyJesus]

Waiting on the mod I assume....

[BabyJesus]

vote Adele

[BabyJesus]

May I ask why?

yes

[BabyJesus]

Okay...the most logical conclusion I can see for Graken's misdirection is that he was hoping that he could stop the Mafia's attack by protecting himself. So why didn't he?

WHO CARES.....HE IS DEAD

[BabyJesus]

[BabyJesus]

@BabyJesus: why are you voting for me?

Because I think you should be lynched.....

[BabyJesus]

And why do you think I should be lynched?

because I think you are scum. WTF is with all the stupid questions??

[BabyJesus]

Sorry, didn't mean to be slow there.

How about: what is the reasoning behind your thinking that I am scum?

you ask a lot of questions.....


what have you done to make me think you are innocent....

[BabyJesus]

good idea!

vote: BabyJesus

For obstinacy and

no

logic.

you are obviously skimming....

nice OMGUS vote though....isn;t that a scum tell? Pretty happy with my vote.

[BabyJesus]

I'll

Vote: BabyJesus

until he can actually give some coherent reason for his suspicion of Adele, which seems unfounded at the moment.

so you're voting me voting adele...

well, at least your vote is well thought out....

I have my reasons for voting Adele, your defense of adele is noted tho.

[BabyJesus]

And I must admit, I'm curious too.

You might not have picked up on that.

I was pretty subtle about it.

just a hunch....

[BabyJesus]

And now we see the pileon....

[BabyJesus]

And now we see the pileon....

I accept that you have a hunch - I get those too - but could you point out specifically what posts of Adele's gave you your hunch.

It was carryover from the previous day something in her interaction with Graken seemed off to me....

I could be wrong though. Feel free to string me up and see if I'm mafia though.

[BabyJesus]

ok, new direction.

unvote, vote Matjoeman

Reading through everyone's posts his stuck out to me....contributing very little, but what he DOES contribute is a whole lot of FOS'ing and casting suspicion on everyone, but not committing himself often with a vote....

Then there is armlx who seems generally unhelpful so far....

[BabyJesus]

You need to put the names in your quotes between " ", then they'll come up nicely.

Anyway, isn't it a scum tell to say things like: "I don't know who's suspicious" or "It's hard to read people"?

inability to use the quote function is scummy....


we should lynch matjoe...

[BabyJesus]

In order to see what post number a post really is, click on the little page icon in the upper left of the posts's head when you are viewing by person. Falcone's references to BJ'S (I assume) posts are 3=72, 7=89, and 1=107.

Falcone is referencing Poirot, not me....

[BabyJesus]

why haven't we lynched Matjoeman yet?

[BabyJesus]

Sorry, been busy. I'm really not sure where to go from here. I'm torn between Poirot and Falcone. Poirot seems too jumpy (maybe not right word) and Falcone too commanding.

voting Matjoeman is a solid compromise

[BabyJesus]

Vote Falcone

In a re-read something huge came to me. I forgot Poirot = Xyre on MTGS. Behavior is fairly consistant with non-scumminess there, and that leaves Falcone.

You're representing the situation as if one of Poirot and me must be scum. What makes you think that?

I'd like to hear some reason why armlx thinks that....

meanwhile, we can start voting for matjoeman the BG

[BabyJesus]

why isn't Matjoeman dead yet....

[BabyJesus]

LOL, your small comments about why certain people arn't dead yet BJ, do make me laugh , and now your'e asking someone else for their reasoning on why they are voting someone???

No, their irksome and add nothing to the conversation. It's a wonderfully dull tactic of making himself look like he's active while adding nothing to the conversation. And since it seems to be his general play style, one can't directly derive guilt or innocence from it. Another

FoS

. I'll vote shortly when I get reactions.

What is the point of a "FOS" for someone thing which you claim is not an indicator of guilt....

unvote, vote Green Crayons

[BabyJesus]

First, the general point made against Green Crayons. Some people have said that he's not contributed content. If those people would be kind enough to give an example of a good "content" post and explain the distinction between it and GC's I'd be grateful, because GC's contribution sure looks like a solid, fairly extensive, and high content post to me.

He presented quotes and explained why they seemed suspcious to them. He made his position clear. This isn't under-the-radar stuff; he's perfectly upfront about where he stands.

Now, BabyJesus.

LOL, your small comments about why certain people arn't dead yet BJ, do make me laugh , and now your'e asking someone else for their reasoning on why they are voting someone???

No, their irksome and add nothing to the conversation. It's a wonderfully dull tactic of making himself look like he's active while adding nothing to the conversation. And since it seems to be his general play style, one can't directly derive guilt or innocence from it. Another

FoS

. I'll vote shortly when I get reactions.

What is the point of a "FOS" for someone thing which you claim is not an indicator of guilt....

I'm starting to get tired of people behaving in a way that does not assist the town (or is even detrimental); in a way that is entirely self-serving whether town or scum but more so in the latter case, and being told: "it's not a scum tell; he's always like that". Well,

don't be

. He's FoSing you because your behaviour (while not inherently suspicious) is a good cover for scum..

So he's fos'ing me, and you're voting me because you don't like my playstyle. Not sure exactly what you're trying to accomplish. If ou think I'm suddenly going to start playing how you think I should play, you got another think coming. And if you're just planning on lynching me because you don't like how I play, well, thats your perogative. Won't be the first time its happened. Won't be the last. But lynching a pro-town player for the "principle" of the thing doesn't win games. But you're welcome to try.

[BabyJesus]

Oh, and you can't seriously be voting me becuase you think I'm scum. If you don't know my role, then you either 1) completely useless to the town because you're not paying attention, or 2) are scum who doesn't care and just wants to run somebody up.

[BabyJesus]

Your role? To be honest, having read your posts several times, I don't know what it is. You haven't claimed, and I'm not gonna assume you're a certain role because you imply it.

try focusing on the end of day one. Seriously, its not like its hidden or anything.

[BabyJesus]

@ BabyJesus,
I think you mean the end of day 2 as there was no day 1(officially).
I hope you are bluffing or we are all buggered!
Hinting rather loudly at a certain role is foolish and dangerous.
I'm now starting to think you have either stuck a nail in the towns coffin or you are scum.

huh? There is nothing remotely dangerous or foolish whether town or scum knows my role. I don't think you caught it at all.

[BabyJesus]

What is the point of a "FOS" for someone thing which you claim is not an indicator of guilt....

Because that's the whole point. You play every game that I've seen you in the exact same way. What's this play style consist of? "Vote Player A. Everyone else should, too. Why isn't everyone voting Player A? Nevermind, let's vote Player B. Let's lynch Player B already. Hello, anyone out there? Why haven't we moved to night yet?" etc, etc. You've established a playing style that you adhere to regardless of alignment - and that style just so happens to be unable to be construyed as an indicator to your guilt or innocence. In essence, by continuing to follow your play style, there isn't anything that we can conceivably come up with to call you suspect, even though that play style is suspicious in and of itself, because you adhere to this specifical style in every game. Thus, I was only voicing my irritation at the style

and

the general sense that I find you suspicious on basic principle - though, obviously, it isn't worthy of my vote, just my ire.

try focusing on the end of day one. Seriously, its not like its hidden or anything.

Why were you hinting to a role in the first place?

Well duh. Doesn't EVERYONE try to play the same whether they are scum or town? I thought that was the whole point? There's not a single player that wishes they could avoid having a scum tell. Why would that draw your ire?

[BabyJesus]

I spent a lot of time analyzing BJ's posts to look for hints at his role, and then I finally found what he meant. It's really quite obvious, in fact it surprises me everyone has missed it so far. I more or less agree that it doesn't make much difference if his role becomes public knowledge, but I don't think he's cleared. Do you agree, BJ?

not 100% cleared, no. Its not a "typical" scum role, though, as it throws off the end game balance if scum have that ability.

[BabyJesus]

Falcone, Dodgy, Poirot, Graken, Adele, BabyJesus

Those people lynched SpeedyKQ. I actually forgot about looking back on that. BTW, why were there 7 votes on Speedy when 6 people were voting him?

Green Crayons also voted for Speedy. His was the lynching vote...

You really need to stop skimming. The mod posted the final vote tally, I don't think GC was on it.

[BabyJesus]

I'm still voting for Baby J.

why? You just keep acting scummier and scummier.

[BabyJesus]

Because I hadn't decided to unvote you yet. And with only one vote to your name, you can hardly claim I'm trying to push a bandwagon or any such thing.

Anyway, the only time I've seen your role with my own eyes, it was in the hands of scum.

what game was that?

[BabyJesus]

Killer7.

eh, similar, not exactly the same though. Still, as I said its not TYPICALLY a scum role, although there is nothing that says it can;t be.

[BabyJesus]

No, twelve were alive. 12 / 2 = 6 + 1 = 7 as majority. Since I was number seven, I was the last vote to count towards his lynch.

I think he would have died without your vote.

I agree with Adele and not with GC. [/img]

[BabyJesus]

well, we may as well say it. My vote counts as two. 8)

[BabyJesus]

so can we focus on voting matjoeman pls??

[BabyJesus]

well, we may as well say it. My vote counts as two. 8)

You must be j/k.

why, did the final vote count confuse you?

[BabyJesus]

@ Adele
Your post addressing my comments about you not sticking with your convictions was upheld by yourself in your subsequent post.
Thays what "Exactly" meant.

Okay, you are really getting on my t... nerves. You reckoned that when people stood up for themselves, I unvoted. I said that of the three people I voted for, one backed down, one got lynched, and one was never intended to get lynched anyway. You reply "exactly"

when I have contradicted you flat

?

FOS: Dodgy

I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to get me riled to distract me from playing a part in real discussions - if I have got the reputation of being that easily enflamed and redirected, darn, it's on me to fix it, but I'm not playing into it.
So, obviously, I'll add more to the general discussion asap.

what was the t going to be?

[BabyJesus]

unvote, vote armlx

he IS on the list, after all.

[BabyJesus]

lets just finish off armlx pls...

[BabyJesus]

unvote, vote Falcone

willing to let armlx slide for now

[BabyJesus]

can we focus on lynching falcone pls?

[BabyJesus]

BJ, any reason, or am I just the next person you happen to focus on?

you are scum!!!

[BabyJesus]

can we focus on lynching falcone pls?

Forgot this one. So that's
armlx
Matjoeman
Falcone
as well as attacking Adele. He's accusing 2/5 of everyone still in the game, and I doubt that all four of them are mafia.

well excuse me if I don;t know who is mafia already, so I know who to accuse.

[BabyJesus]

BJ, any reason, or am I just the next person you happen to focus on?

you are scum!!!

Gah. Thank you for continuing to act ridiculous, BJ.

Vote Baby Jesus

For examples (all quotes attributed to BJ)

can we focus on lynching falcone pls?

lets just finish off armlx pls...

willing to let armlx slide for now

so can we focus on voting matjoeman pls??

voting Matjoeman is a solid compromise

why isn't Matjoeman dead yet....

and that's just from the last five pages. He sometimes posts information, but he mostly is just pushing random bandwagons.

So, from this expert analysis, you have determined that this behavior is a scum tell for me, because I do not act this way when town? Or are you just voting me because you don't like the play, and are not interested in hunting mafia...

[BabyJesus]

Well, you're acting scummy. I'm unsure if that's a scum tell, but I don't have a great amount of experience. All I know is that you're playing poorly, pushing bandwagons, and not really contributing much.

No I'm not acting scummy.

[BabyJesus]

IGMEOY=I've Got My Eye On You.
There's a list of Commonly Used Abbreviations (heh, or "CUA") on the wiki.
IGMEOY is one step down from a FOS

this seems to imply there are those you do NOT have your eye on....

[BabyJesus]

so can we focus on lynching falcone now....

[BabyJesus]

This game needs some posative direction and seens as no one apart from BJ has any real desire to lynch someone, I suggest that BJ tells us why he thinks Falcone is scum and maybe some of us would agree and join your vote but just saying

so can we focus on lynching falcone now....

isnt going to get anyone onto your bandwagon.

well why don;t you tell me who your top suspect is and why...

[BabyJesus]

That's great, 4 votes on me (from only 3 different people, but whatever), and no one gives anything remotely resembling a decent reason. Shall I just claim, or are you guys going to explain yourselves, so I can actually defend myself?

nah, you better claim.

[BabyJesus]

I'll claim if someone who's not voting for me already asks me to. I'd regret doing since I don't think it will be in the town's best interest outing myself, especially when no one has given a good reason for suspicion of me.

Who are you using your ability on tonight?

[BabyJesus]

Poirot is scum.

[BabyJesus]

Sorry I mis-read BJ's post (easily done as he is voting for Falcone and now accusing poirot of being scum.
I think Falcone is our scum and we should finish him.

let me reprhase. If Falcone is pro-town, then I will be voting Poirot until he is dead tomorrow. Not so much if Falcone is scum.

[BabyJesus]

Only one kill each night so far...are we looking at no serial killer maybe?

[BabyJesus]

vote warpdragon[/n]

[BabyJesus]

vote warpdragon

that works better

[BabyJesus]

Any particular reason?

lurkng, and being nowhere to be found during the falcone runup.

[BabyJesus]

Ok, I kinda agree with Adele that poirot has acted a little sispiciously at times but then I also think that Adele has too.
She was so annoyed that we had lynched Falcone without letting him defend himself. She was especially annoyed with me for it because she FOS'ed me.
She then quickly removed her vote on Falcone.
Falcone's false role claim was so transparrent that he had to be scum but Adele was trying to stall us from the lynch in my opinion.

I don;t think Adele is scum tho.

[BabyJesus]

Ok, I kinda agree with Adele that poirot has acted a little sispiciously at times but then I also think that Adele has too.
She was so annoyed that we had lynched Falcone without letting him defend himself. She was especially annoyed with me for it because she FOS'ed me.
She then quickly removed her vote on Falcone.
Falcone's false role claim was so transparrent that he had to be scum but Adele was trying to stall us from the lynch in my opinion.

I don;t think Adele is scum tho.

I don't either.

Let's examine the vote: first, there were BJ and armlx, who are confirmed townies (particularly armlx, now that he's no longer with us). The other three are Adele, Dodgy, and myself.

Unless I misread my PM, I'm not scum, and I don't believe that Adele is...so, taking the path of least resistance,

Vote Dodgy

.

Why on earth would we examine the vote, and ignore the offvoters?

[BabyJesus]

Ok, I will take your word for it BJ, as I know youre townie and may be privy to info that I'm not,

How on earth would I be privy to info you are not?

[BabyJesus]

Anyways, unless there's something wrong with my role, I'm 100% sure that Dodgy is scum.

May as well elaborate.

[BabyJesus]

Hmm. Let's hear a claim from dodgy.

[BabyJesus]

I am a townie, I am the towns undertaker.
When a player has recieved 1 vote off a lynch, I get a message from the MOD to tell me whether I need white roses for the burial service (pro town) or Red roses for (Mafia).

So, according to your claim, whener a player is one vote away, the mod tells you if he is scum or clean? Interesting...

Why don't we test this? It's five votes to lynch.

unvote

My vote counts as two, so get two votes on warpdragon. I woll vote (putting him one away), then immediately unvote. Then we see what flowers you get.

[BabyJesus]

alright,

vote warpdragon

[BabyJesus]

One vote away, your flower thing should be activated, so

unvote

[BabyJesus]

anytime....

[BabyJesus]

I don't believe the role because it seems ridiculously overpowered. We could simply run up every person in the town to one from lynch and get cop results on every one of them.

I agree, but if he IS telling the truth, it would be nice to get results on record, no?

Let's see what he has to say about wardragon, then we can decide what to do.

[BabyJesus]

vote Dodgy

Not a bad role fake my friend, but you've been busted.

[BabyJesus]

Note before Dodgy responds: I have a way to confirm my role, so at least let me claim if he lies and says that I am scum and you decide to believe him.

No need my friend, Dodgy has confirmed you as pro-town!

[BabyJesus]

Everyone can go ahead and vote off Dodgy now btw. Warpdragon was never 1 vote from a lynch. I have the option of making my vote count as one OR two, as I see fit, and I had messaged the mod prior that my vote for warpdragon was to be counted only once.

[BabyJesus]

Ok, I hold my hands up, You got me!
I am Mafia.
This is my last post.
Thanks guys, good game!
x

Sorry guy, on the off chance you WERE telling the truth, I thought we needed to know....

[BabyJesus]

I get behind a GC lynch....

Vote: Green Crayons

[BabyJesus]

The person I'm most suspicious of ATM is Green Crayons. He didn't join either bandwagon until we were already in twilight, where the votes don't matter. If he's mafia, I assume the purpose of that is to be able to point to the vote and say "look, I was voting for him too!" when the fact that he was doesn't actually affect anything.

Uh, I'd like to think I have a bit more experience than plastering my votes on in a desperate attempt to say "Oh, look, I voted for him, hurrah, I'm town!" I keep forgetting BJ has a double vote and thus I thought another vote was needed to actually put the lynch through.

With six alive, that's four to lynch. BJ, did you count your vote as one or two? I'd like to know if I should claim now or later.

I'd suggest you claim....

[BabyJesus]

just vote GC pls. tia

[BabyJesus]

I wish I had a gun....

[BabyJesus]

Well, please unvote me.

I was told on Night One that I'm a Notary Republic and that everyone's official documentation papers were shredded by some evil people and it's my job to rediscover and commit to paper the role names of individuals.

Unlike Poirot, I've been given the ability to use my role every night, including on Night One.

I've investigated Poirot

, matjoeman and Shamrock in that order, starting on Night One.

Vote: Shamrock

. I was given his name as mafia.

For confirmation, i was given Poirot's name as cop, matjoeman's role name as doctor.

The school library's computers have this new function that log one out of the computer their at after a certain amout of time of being inactive, so when I got off the phone with my friend from a twenty minute conversation last night, I came back to my cpu only to find my nearly finished paper to be completely erased as the computer had logged me off. Hence, I had to rewrite most of the thing which took up a considerable chunk of time, which, in turn, put me behind and I'm a day late in my post.

I didn't expect that Graken wouldn't die, because he obviously had a power role...but if he was the doc, then who did he protect?

Sort of an odd question. Leads into...

Okay...the most logical conclusion I can see for Graken's misdirection is that he was hoping that he could stop the Mafia's attack by protecting himself. So why didn't he?

A whole bunch of fluff posting that amounts to nothing, yet looks like he's adding something. Hence, suspicious.

Regardless...this could help determine if there was another power role that he decided was more important than his was.

Determining roles = mafia tactic.

FoS

.

So, if you investigated Poirot Night one, Why were you casting suspicion and fos'ing him Day two if you knew him to be clean.....

I think I'll leave my vote on GC for now

[BabyJesus]

Because, in case if you haven't noticed, I haven't exactly been attentive this game. I didn't remember what my results were while I was doing quick rereads and scanning through the thread; it was a case of inattentiveness on my behalf.

so you are a cop and "forgot" your one and only view....

[BabyJesus]

...wow...
Thank you mjm. That clears up a lot.

Unvote, Vote Shamrock

are you kidding? Did you expect otherwise? Seems obvious, if GC is scum he would have been a scum investigator.

I'd still rather lynch GC today. If he comes up clean, then we can lynch Shamrock tomorrow.

[BabyJesus]

so you are a cop and "forgot" your one and only view....

So I overextended myself and was currently involved in four games alongside my extremely large work load. .

I can't possibly imagine being in game as a cop, where you are viewing everything in light of your investigations, and FORGETTING who you know to be innocent... Maybe if you had said you thought he might be GF, sure. But simply forgetting who you viewed while you ere reading the game thread. please.

[BabyJesus]

can we please lynch GC? tia

[BabyJesus]

I am a tabloid reporter. Each night, I must invent a contrived, wacky role for another player. I expect there is some sort of non-sane coplike role who is intended to be mislead by my inventions. I want to tell you beforehand exactly what I am doing, so if anybody comes accross these roles, you will know they are fake.

So, it sounds like your role could actually work against the town, as if there are any cops out there that get role-names, you would make their investigations worthless. I'm not saying that you're pro-mafia (though tabloid reporters

are

evil...), just that your role could possibly be detrimental to the town. However, it doesn't make sense to have a town role be harmful only to the town.

Therefore, simple deduction means that there's probably a mafia investigator or somesuch that gets role names

..

So, GC, your claim is that you get role names......

[BabyJesus]

You're taking a quote out've the context of the timeframe of which it was made. That was said near the beginning of the game. As in, prior to knowing more than half of the roles of the game. It had crossed my mind, at the time, that it was within the realm of possibility that there was a mafia investigator as well as myself whom the tabloid reporter could have "screwed" up investigations.

However, now, being more enlightened as to the setup, a mafia investigator does not balance the game we're apparently in, and I'm obviously not backing up what i said before, because - i know this apparently may come to as a shock - guesses made early on in a game may be mistakes and later can, and should, be corrected and modified, as I have done.

Or, you KNEW there was a mafia rolename investigator because YOU WERE ONE....

[BabyJesus]

Basically, it comes down to this: I'm claiming rolename cop. Shamrock is claiming gun-cop. I have a bit of backup in terms of my claim - mat's affirmation of his role name. Shamrock only has heresay about his own innocence. My role at least adds some sort of sembalance of balance to the game. Shamrock's only piles more weight onto the town's side, making it an absurd imbalance. I have been wanting the whole town here to think and discuss prior to voting. Shamrock has been wanting a quick lynch.

Oh, I believe you are a rolename cop....the question is whose side are you on? I'd be more apt to believe you if you weren't caught fos'ing and casting suspicion on someone you claim you knew was innocent. And yes, I heard your excuse that you were busy and forgot both your role and you only investigation result. That's a crappy excuse, and you know it.

[BabyJesus]

unvote

for now.

[BabyJesus]

Don't cops show up as having guns?

[BabyJesus]

Older vote tally the day we ran up like 4-5 people up. (day 2 I think)

Vote Count

1 Falcone (armlx)
4 Green Crayons (

Dodgy

,

Falcone

, Baby J)
1 Armlx (green crayons)

hmm....both the known scum on GC here. Seems unlikley they'd be throwing their scum buddy under the bus here, the only other person there is me.

Now I'm not so sure GC is the play today.

[BabyJesus]

Why didn't Poirot die last night??

[BabyJesus]

Note before Dodgy responds: I have a way to confirm my role, so at least let me claim if he lies and says that I am scum and you decide to believe him.

I'd like to hear Warp's role, and how he can prove it...

[BabyJesus]

But GC isn't a cop, he's a "notary republic". There isn't really any reason he'd have a gun.

true...

[BabyJesus]

BJ, was that many posts necessary?

yes

[BabyJesus]

vote shamrock

If he's clean we obviously kill GC tomorrow.

[BabyJesus]

And , while I'm not the lynch, if I do get lynched + turn up gunsmith, lynch GC for me, kay?

obviously...

[BabyJesus]

Okay, if GC was right about mjm, here's where the two (other) cops stand:

I'm a Gunsmith. My investigations were:
N1 - Falcone - Gun
N2 - BJ - No Gun
N3 - GC - Gun

My question is thus: did we know that BJ was the double-voter on Day 2 or 3?.

This is an excellent point.....while it "should" have been obvious day one, day two was when we had the big discussion about it and everyone knew I was a double voter....

I think I'm happy voting Shamrock first now 8)

[BabyJesus]

We found out that BJ was the double voter on day 2 (we could have known by looking at the vote count at the end of day 1 but I didn't notice that until it was pointed out).

As for Falcone, I believed he'd have a gun because "martyr" doesn't necessarily imply using a certain weapon, and it's also probably reasonable to assume that any killing role would have a gun.

so why did you investigate if I had a gun then?

[BabyJesus]

Night 2 was after Day 2, and Day 2 is when we had the discussion. Silly people.

umm...

[BabyJesus]

I investigated BJ because a double-voting scum was too terrible a possibility to leave uncovered.

weak. If true, there are a ton of unknowns to be looking at, rather then someone practically cleared.

Regardless, lets end this. If you are telling the truth, we'll lynch GC tomorrow. Either way I think we have this game won.

[BabyJesus]

is shamrock dead? can we get a vote count??

[BabyJesus]

Does your vote count double today, BJ?

I've left it at single for better accountability of votes...although if we don;t get much movement, I may just bump it up. I'd rather we decide equally whch to lynch...

[BabyJesus]

Erm. I am really sorry but i made a bit of a mistake opening the game for Day 4. Both Green Crayons and Matjoeman are Mafia and since there were only 2 more town the mafia should have won at the end of night 4. Sorry about this mistake but at least the day didn't last for very long.

Mafia Win!

UMM., no sorry GC was lynched....