One thing ive realized today while thinking, is that Nacho-Spy share an alignment. If this im very sure of. It makes so much sense if you think of it, given that Spy is batting 2/3 on town tells (although he is missing critical tell) im saying they are both town. Yay.
Still not too happy with the wagons right now. M is probably town, FG is one of my wildcards at this point. I am getting somewhat sure that the scum in this game are in a combo of jmurph/CES/reck/sub (note jmurph-CES are far and away best partner pick in the game, I hope that doesnt need explaining). I will be floored if more then one scum is out of that group with Spy, nacho and M being town.
jmurph3 wrote:Here's the thing: Mas's playstyle is very reactionary at this point. If I switch my vote to him, OMG, he reacts in an angry fashion. There'd be no difference in his reaction than what he's done before and probably nothing that we would learn from it. So instead, I left my vote where it is because I think it's much more interesting to note the connection between you and Shotty, and something that I would prefer to explore more before I move my vote elsewhere, especially since my read on mas is a gut-read, and I don't typically hold much with my gut.
This is horrible. Jmurph refuses to vote his top suspect, even if its on gut its his top suspect, because he thinks that he will overreact and nothing will be gained. I can see that thought to an extent, but the behavior that should match up with this fear is not present as well. Instead of putting pressure on an interaction and then asking some questions to a less wound up M, he decides to just ignore him. This does not match up with someone who has a top suspect, even if its a gut feeling, infact it being a gut feeling makes it even more likely that one would ask questions to see if the read is justified or not.
At this point, I'd most be willing to go with the people on the wagon, since I have a better read on those. Of those, I'd be most willing to vote Spyrex. For, you know, the giggles. Off the wagon, the most likely scum to me is Mas, for a variety of not good play D1.
Jumps hard on Spy for something that makes spy very likely to be town given his meta. Also look at him jump right back on M for who knows what. At this point he still says that M is scum despite never asking him a question and only seeming to really rail on him for "overreaction" which is still the biggest crap tell in the history of this site.
jmurph3 wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:Jmurph, for posts like #184 and #197, where he calls SpyreX his top suspect and then proceeds to vote for his top suspect's top suspect.
Except that if you actually read post 184, that's not at all what I said. I said that at that moment,
of the people on the wagon
I'd be most willing to vote Spyrex - not, mind you, that he was my top suspect, as there is a difference. I also ended my post by saying,
jmurph3 wrote:In the meantime, however, i need to reread the thread and work out some reads on those that I have sort of null-tells on at the moment.
Why, guess what...I reread the thread and decided that I still didn't like the way Shotty was/is playing. So really nice job taking what I said completely out of context.
Why, guess what... There still are issues with the way you set this all up. First you say on the wagon you would vote Spy, off the wagon M. You continue to say that Spy was not your top suspect, meaning that M should have been, yet again showing a lack of will to push a top pick in the least. There is one other very key thing though about your statement that makes me sure you are scum for this move.
Also, I agree strongly with what SpyreX has to say about Shotty. If there's anyone who looks worse after the Richard flip (other than SpyreX), it's Shotty
Right here you still say that Spy looks worse then Shotty, yet you decide to wagon shotty, backed on the read of someone who looks worse and is/was your original top pick for scum on a wagon (again where does M fall in all of this, is he town you are hoping to save for endgame mislynch?).
Also you have amazing double standards with stances towards Spy. You immediately start the day saying he looks bad for the wagon move, yet you say that Shotty is scum for jumping on Spy for his hammer. Were you looking a completely different set of tells for what Spy was scum before you (sorta) gave it up?
Again I see more evidence to support jmurph-CES team, jmurph may need distancing coaching post-game.
This is one of those super rare games where I actually wish I was a vig since no one apparently is going to listen to me about stuff, but jmurph is most definantly scum, and most fo so with CES and some wildcard. Look at his stances on M, consistantly calling him scum yet never giving him anything to respond to or even voting him. His massive shifts in play day two from calling Spy scum, to calling Shotty and Spy scum, to calling Shotty scum for the exact reason he intially called Spy scum. This is not even close to anything town would do, but is textbook scum picking thier wagons carefully in order not to take OMGUS flak (M) or figuring out where people are going to side on battles and sliding to the "correct" side Spy/Shotty.
Wagon, please, seriously.
