Mini 259: Revenge of the Vegans, GAME OVER!

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vote:Jabroni2000

There's numbers in that there name, and at 5 am that annoys me

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random.org says

Vote Silat

Unvote, Vote:armlx

Cause tit for tat is fun

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mini neo is a "they"?

FOS : armlx

For placing a 2nd vote / venge vote on Silat.....
.....yeah,... thats the scummiest thing I can find, anyone else?

Reading comprehension is tech. armlx is/was the only vote on me. I retaliated with a vote him and he "retaliated" with a joke attempt to vote me again.

FOS: Nightfall

for being unable to read.







j/k I love you all

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ok I think its time to start playing for reals..........

unvote, Vote:Jabroni2000

I agree with Alexander in that he's had enough time to post at least a "hi vote random" post and yet he hasn't.
This isn't a vote to lynch, just a vote to pressure 8)

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I think we need to apply pressure to Jabroni2000 to at least post in the thread. This possably will require more than two votes

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I agree with you. I am just trying to get some discussion started. Its been three days and all we have is some guy who hasn't posted yet

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I disagree with you. You are a stinky pants who wants to ruin my fun happy family...................










oh wait, this is mafia. Right.

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While encouraging others to post is not at all a bad thing, keep in mind that lurker wagons that start on day 1 and page 1 often result in quick lynches and don't give the town a chance to talk. This results in a sore lacking of information that will be useful later on in the game.

If worse comes to worse, prod him. But it's only been what? three days?

Yeah three days to post a "hello whats up" type of post. I think giving him anymore leeway will show scum that it's ok to drop off the face of the planet for a few days and the town won't hold you acountable.

FOS:HezLucky

as thats an interesting argument that while looks innocuous could be scummy.

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EBWOP: I still agree that lynching Jabroni2000 is stupid right now. I do think we are possably sending the wrong signal to the scum though that would be sad.

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yay people are talking! maybe this game is actualy going to start after all

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yay people are talking! maybe this game is actualy going to start after all

Thirteen hours later I

FOS:This Thread

. Where the hell is everyone?

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I'm back...

FOS Silat

for wanting to speed things up, whats the rush?

Have some cool scummy night ability you want to use/want to tell us about?

If I had a cool ability don't you think I'd have used it??

I'm not attempting to rush, it's just that the games I am used to playing in are a little faster paced thats all. It seems to me that there isn't any discussion going on at all about who could be scum and if I remember correctly thats how we play this game.

Rushing would be posting every hour and demanding that people follow me. Which would also get me lynched That woulld be sad and I would cry

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Maybe Kenji wants the game to go slow to let him and his scum buddies control the tempo??

FOS: Kenji

Do you mind telling us what your problem with an active game is?

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Sure. In my experience the mafia has an advantage when there is little to no discussion happening. The town gets most of its usable information via discussion, therefore the more discussion there is the better chance the town has. The mafia have the advantage in a faster game yes but the town needs to have conversations happening to determin who the scum is and the lynch appropriatly. (sp?)
I'm not pushing for a fast game, just more involvement. If you were the first to confirm and then didn't notice that the game started I am sorry.

Unvote

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I wanted to know what Kenji had against an a game with active discussion.
Re agreeing with people. I would think that the scum play here would be to pick one or two people that look to be town and stick to agreeing with them. I have noticed that most of what I am thinking has been said at one point in tiem or another by other people, therefor I tend to agree with them.

@Alexander-how has my behavior been strange? Other than agreeing with multiple people I have been a vocal player and advocated discussion. Are these strange things is a mafia game?

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So you want a claim then do you. Hows this for a claim: I know what Kain sleeps with.

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Ok. Kain's character sleeps with a nightlight.
Also he did nothing last night.

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@armlx-Why really are you voting for me? You have posted nothing but derf derf all game and now you're trying on the "yeah silat does this all the time and hes scum" suit. It dosent fit you well, infact it leads me to believe that you are teh scum.

Vote:armlx

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No it means that when I investigated you I was told that you sleep with a nightlight and that my investigation showed you doing nothing but sleeping.

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Not themed, he is tracker tho. Whatever. Real cop can investigate.

There can be mafia with tracking abilities, but investigative roles never get lynched without good reason, especially on D1.

Bingo. You are teh winnar
No really. You are right. I cannot confirm or deny scum v town, but I can tell you what you did lastnight

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I don't know what's going on, but Silat was right. I did sleep quite well and didn't use any night ability last night.

Is it still possible that I'm a vegan? If vegans killed one townie last night, did I have to use my ability or could it be the other vegan who killed that poor townie? Just curious.

Care to explain that FOS armlx? I don't understand that N = P = PETA thing.

First of all

Unvote

.
Secondly, What The Fuck are you trying to say. If you could explain your apparent admition of being scum that would be really good.

FOS:Kain

untill this is clarified.

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That's right.

I tried to ask if it's possible to be scum and not use night ability and still kill one player (your partner pm:s the victim) or do both have to take part in the killing.

If it isn't possible then that clears me completely.

If it is possible then I must say that I am not a vegan, I eat anything.

In all the games I have been in I would say that only one member of the mafia makes the kill even though all of them discuss it.
I can't prove you clean but I can say you did not kill anyone last night

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I think either one of two scenarios is happening here.

1: Kain is

not

scum and is asking a legitemate question that a person brand new to mafia might have. It does look bad though.

2: Kain

is

scum and is asking a legitemate question that a person brand new to mafia might have. And just told us he is scum

Either way it does not look good. Kain I am willing to give you the benifit of the doubt, for now with just an

FOS:Kain

, however I will be keeping an eye on you.

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I don't like the way armlx has been attacking people, especially people who, on the face of it, seem to be the most cleared. Very beligerent against Silat ("I have lyched people for less!"), and now against Kain.

Interesting. I'll have to keep this in the back of my mind.

What's the hurry, armlx? Silat claimed an investigative role and the result of his investigation was confirmed by Kain, so I see no reason to lynch either of those. For the record, Kain's quip could be a newbie scum mistake, but more likely is a newbie townie's moment of excitement at the prospect of being clear. (For some reason, people like being "clear". Especially newbie townies. They don't realize that being "clear" can get you nightkilled.)

FOS: armlx

Kains quip could be a n00b mistake and like I said I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, however it does look bad enough to keep my fos on him. Even if it is a case of over-excited townie, it is stll bad play I think to post a question like that. It would have been better dealt with in a PM to the mod.

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Seeing as outlaw hasn't posted a peep lately let alone content,

Vote:outlaw

This isn't to say you are scum, just a pressure vote to get you posting again.

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Ok outlaw

Unvote[/b[

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EBWOP

Unvote

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So nightfall, what are your gut feelings. This is what day one is based on for the most part.

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I'll second that thought about armlx and upgrade it to a

Unvote, Vote:armlx

There have been a couple of things you've done that don't sit right and I am comefortable voting you because of them.

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There might be but I think that armlx is the best lynch for today and then based on what we learn night two we can begin to get a better idea of who the other vegans are.

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I think we have to assume that Kenji killed armlx. The method is consistant with what I think a serial-killing cow would do. That said I'd like to hear more from Tyfo as I can't find a whole lot of content from him. Additionaly I think we are rather close to a lynch correctly or lose scenario. We need to be aware that we have not hit scum yet and have lost four players. I am assuming that there are enough scum in the game that a single miss lynch loses for the town.
I would strongly advocate

not

voting unless you are 100% positive they are scum. If you need to vote post a

FOS that should be a vote

and we can discuss if we think they are town or not.
That said I am going to

FOS that should be a vote:MiniNeo

This is no time to be lurking unless you are scum.

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omg yes I'm alive!

I'm cop, Nightfall is scum.

Vote: Nightfall

You do realize that this is the play that decides if town wins or loses right?

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Ok then. If this fails...

Vote:Nightfall

please god don't let him be scum, please god don't let him be scum, please god don't let him be scum

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ebwop: I was refering to hezlucky. Derf derf.

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You are one from lynch and have a cop investigation on you.

I demand you claim now.

I second that call.

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PS: If the cop claim goes uncontested, I would take a good hard look at Silat and/or Mini Neo. The fact that they were both willing to vote Nightfall before everyone posted and was given a chance to dispute the claim, makes me suspect that deep down inside, they know the claim to be true, and are attempting to distance themselves from their mafia partner and make themselves seem like a good townie. However, they went completely overboard with the act, since

a good townie would have no reason to trust HezLucky so blindly

- at least not until we had a full round of posting from everyone. (example: me. I am a good townie who doesn't trust HezLucky blindly and doesn't cast a vote yet).
I am almost sure that if Nightfall is mafia, so is at least one out of Silat/Neo.

Of course if the claim is disputed, all bets are off.

While I am disinclined to believe your reasoning I think MiniNeo also should be looked at. This entire game hes got maybe ten posts. Maybe. None of them have any reasonable content and there is a distinct lack of a paper trail to follow on him. I think lynching Nightfall is the best play unless there is a counter-claim. Tomorrow I think we focus on MiniNeo.

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And I agree,

would the real doc please NOT claim?

quoted for truthery.
@Alexander-There is a small chance that one of the poeple that has not posted is the cop. I will grant you that, however

there are

enough mafia in the game even assuming three that if HezLucky was

not

the cop they could have turbo lynched and won the game as soon as two people voted. Seeing as they have not I have to assume that HezLucky

is

the cop and nightfall is scum. This is not a scummy play, infact the scummy play is not voting for nightfall at this point.

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And I thought it was obv that the doc should not claim because if HezLucky really is cop then the unknown doc is the only reason HezLucky could be alive past today.
I'd like to know who else is on HezLucky's list of people to investigate. Seems like between him and me we could nail the scum faster

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@Alexander-There is a small chance that one of the poeple that has not posted is the cop. I will grant you that, however

there are

enough mafia in the game even assuming three that if HezLucky was

not

the cop they could have turbo lynched and won the game as soon as two people voted. Seeing as they have not I have to assume that HezLucky

is

the cop and nightfall is scum. This is not a scummy play, infact the scummy play is not voting for nightfall at this point.

So what you're basically saying is: "I voted as HezLucky told me, and this gave mafia a potential chance to win the game. Use this as a proof I'm not scum."
Not a very good defense.

Not claiming to be defensive here. All I am saying is that In the absence of counterclaims, there is no reason to think that HezLucky is lying. I am not attempting to prove or disprove my innocence. I never thought it was in question but if it is I am more than glad to talk about it.

And then you say to me: "You refuse to vote the way HezLucky (a very probable, but not yet 100% confirmed cop) tells you, thus you are scummy".
Not a very good offense either.

Again I am not being offensive either, just pointing out that I am planning on investigating anyone who does not vote for nightfall

IF

nightfall turns out to be scum. I think if he is scum and there are no counterclaims that anyone who does not vote to lynch him is more than likely scum. You I am not sure about. You seem to be a cautious almost paranoid townie.

Oh, and the "mafia could have speed-lynched by now" argument? Totally wrong. Mafia could have speed-lynched if BOTH you are Neo are misguided townies believing the mafia cop. But maybe only one of you is a believing townie, and the other is mafia - thus the mafia still need one townie misvote for a speed lynch.

Maybe

that's why you are asking for my vote? I dunno.

I will not vote until we had a full round of posts from everyone. Anyone who tries to portray that as "scummy" is either dead wrong or scum himself.

Ok here you are just plain wrong. The mafia must have the number needed to spped lynch because HezLucky voted nightfall, I voted nightfall and if there are only three scum the scum only need to pile on and they win the fucking game. Don't you see that??
Thats why I made the post I did here:

You do realize that this is the play that decides if town wins or loses right?

in reference to HezLucky claiming and fingering scum. All it would take is for one innocent townie to fall for it if it were a gambit and the scum wins. That there are two voters in addition to the "cop" voting for nightfall garentees that HezLucky must be the cop.
I think you are being paranoid which is not scummy in fact its a good thing. However I also think that casting too much doubt on the claimed cop is

bad play

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I think we have our wires crossed. I am not advocating anyone voteing for him right this second. What I am talking about is that I think there is no reason not to vote against nightfall once everyone posts. If people then are not voting against nightfall I think thats the biggest sign that they are scum this game has seen.

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Seeing as how the entire fate of this game rests with outlaw I am going to

unvote

because outlaw has not posted in over ten days in this thread. I am going to request that the mod prod him.
Once he posts and lets us know if he is cop or not I think we can then proceed.

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It's simple, really.

The cop has info on you. So, the play is to lynch you, because that then confirms/denies the cop. If you're the doc, then we simply have to accept it as a good play by the scum, and lynch Hez tomorrow.

The problem is that if nightfall is town and outlaw is the real cop then we lose. If we lynch wrong today there is

NO

tomorrow. Like I said before this is the play that decides the game.

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what i'm saying is that if outlaw is the cop and you are scum playing a gambit then this play loses the town the game. If you are the real cop then this play wins the town the game.
Eh, mise well

vote:nightfall

Lets win this thing.

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Excellent.

I got scum again.

Vote: Mini Neo

Lets win this thing.

Vote:Mini Neo

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Just for the record, during day 2 I pegged Silat and Mini Neo as the most suspicious (post 151), and I was right at least about 1 of them. Right now I am pegging Silat and Jabroni as most suspicious.

I find it very interesting that Silat told us the result of his nightly investigation on Day 1, yet withheld all info on days 2 and 3. It adds to my suspicion that he's a mafia investigator.

Jabroni, because of post of Dec 23, 2005 8:48 pm - he made the same over-acting error as Mini Neo did. "Yeah, let's lynch him, the cop has info on him" - without waiting for counterclaims.

But hey, you can make up your own mind...

Night two I investigated Armlx and watched him die. Night three I watched Tyfo as he was one of the few people I thought was not yet cleared. Tonight I will be watching..........
Oh wait that would be stupid wouldn't it

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Ok. I agree that the doc-reveal is problematic in case Outlaw is the doc. However, Outlaw is not the doc, because ... DRUMROLL ... I am the doc. So there, I said it.

I shall now take a pause, allowing the mob a chance to counterclaim. Once we had a full round of posts from everyone, we'll continue based on a counterclaim or lack of such.

Seeing as how I investigated you last night and saw you going into HezLucky's room you must be doc or scum. I am inclined to believe that you are doc so

Vote: no lynch

This is basicly guarenteeing that I will not live to see the endgame because you have to cop protect which leaves me, an investigative role, un-protected. HezLucky

needs

to get scum tonight or this is all for naught.
I think HezLucky and I need to post who we are going to watch because there are so few players left unconfirmed. I'll go first.
Tonight I will watch Maz Medias.

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Maz is scum and here is why. I am clean, I watched Tyfo night before last and he did nothing. With what I have seen ITT Jabroni/Maz is the last remaining scum. I say lets win today

Unvote, Vote:Maz Medias

gg scum, time to die 8)

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The point being is that from what I have read ITT and my investigation results I believe Tyfo and Alexander to be innocent and Jabroni/Maz to be scum. If you dont share these beliefs thats fine then don't vote for him. I believe it so I vote it. It's how I play

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So, um.. Silat? Your opinion? The others? (The only name familiar to me in this game is Silat's, so sorry; I'm making a fast post from the middle of a Physics lab. Heh heh.)

Ok here is my opinion. I still think you are scum. Not so much because of how

you

are playing but based on Jabroni's play. I am sorry that this makes you look scummy but there ya go. I agree however with HezLucky and Alexander that our best shot at winning is to lynch Tyfo and investigate outlaw. I am interested to note that the cop is going to investigate me when you are still unconfirmed. I would rather have HezLucky watch you and have alexander protect than to waist an investigation on me, but oh well.

Unvote, Vote: Tyfo

Sorry you have to die, but you can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs

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Silat,

No need to act offended over the cop thingie. It's just common sense. Out of you/Maz you are the one being investigated simply because you are less likely to be the godfather, and also because cop-clearing you give the town access to all your nightly investigations, which we will know to be true. If you turn up clear AND outlaw doesn't leave his room, we'll know who goes next

OUTLAW, DO NOT LEAVE YOUR ROOM AT NIGHT PLEASE

There is only one little problem. If you protect the cop I die tonight. I will most likely

not

get results if I die and even if I do I'm dead. I will leave it up to you to decide whom to protect, but know that only one of the investigative roles will live through the night unless we can outwit the scum. I hope we can

Oh and I was not offended, I just think that since only one of us will live (HezLucky or Me) I think both of us should investigate outlaw.
Unless he is the godfather we will get a result we can work with.

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w00t double post!! Seeing as Tyfo is officialy lynched I think all parties with night actions need to be especialy sure what they are going to do.

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Outlaw did nothing last night. On the otherhand smart scum does nothing right now and lets us pick eachother off till he has an advantage.
Smart money says Maz Medias is the scum.

FOS that should be a vote: Maz Medias

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Vote: Maz Medias

I am soooo comfortable with this vote I'm done posting for the day





















j/k I'll keep active

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Actually, I felt yesterday that killing Silat is the proper Godfather play. Dead men tell no tales, and if Silat dies, he cannot say Outlaw left his room. To add to the confusion, I also felt that killing Silat is also the proper play if Maz is the scum, since this pins the blame on Outlaw. I was somewhat surprised at Silat surviving the night, since my 2 top scum-candidates had him as a perfect target. I figured there was a no-kill night because Silat ABSOLUTELY HAD TO kill the cop, knowing he'll be inspected (eventhough he knew the cop is very likely to get protection) And of course I was equally surprised at him coming clear.

So now my suspicions have come full circle. Maz gets my vote, unless Outlaw comes and posts something that changes the picture. If he's town, I am obviously getting inspected tonight - and protecting the cop. Tomorrow's possible outcomes:

1. Hezlucky dies. This makes me a lying scum; but it won't happen.
2. Hezlucky comes back with "alexander is guilty". Again, this makes me a liar, but it won't happen.
3. Hezlucky comes back with "alexander is innocent", which may or may no be backed by me dying - this means there is a GF somewhere...


Waiting for Outlaw, commencing thumb twiddling.

Interestingly enough I came to the same result. In order for me to be scum and win I had to kill you lastnight and then attempt to guide the town to a misslynch of outlaw or maz. Then I had to kill the cop the next night. This would narrow it down enough so that I could mislead the town again.
In order for the scum to win he would have needed to be a GF. I watch him do nothing and then he's cleared. He guides the town to a lynch of myself, claiming that I am a tracking GF and killing you at night. the next day he can lead the twon to kill the last remaning unknown and kill the cop the next night. Seeing as how this isn't happening I think we have an unimaginative scum who is now trapped in a corner. Let's not let him win this one ok?

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HezLucky-Claimed Cop, Confirmed


Maz Medias/Jabroni2000-Claimed Roleblocker, unconfirmed


Alexander-Claimed Doc, Confirmed


Silat-Tracker, Cop confirmed


outlaw- Claimed Vanilla, Unconfirmed

Neither Outlaw nor Maz is confirmed while Myself, HezLucky and Alexander are.
There is only one scum left. Some one mise well admit to it and we'll just get this over nice and civilized like. With cattle prods.