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I think he had other motives behind suggesting a day 1 claim. He's obviously not dumb enough to think people would have agreed to a mass claim. And this game isn't full of inexperienced players so he wasn't trying to take advantage of anyone. Recklessness = Town in my eyes."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Oh trust me, I'm not even going to argue or refute this, because it's true. But I'm buddying because I'm right (he is town) and don't mind using silly falacies if I have to.fallen angel wrote:Your entire argument is a relativist fallacy combined with buddying."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Jester speculation gets town nowhere....and I have a policy...fallen angel wrote:
The problem I have with voting empking is shown in the below quote:AdumbroDeus wrote:
Unless he has one hell of a good motive for it, there's absolutely no reason for a generally strong player to make a mistake like this and defend it in such a fallacious way.fallen angel wrote:
I'm happy with my vote where it is. Just because he's obvscum to you, doesn't mean I believe he is. He could very well be, but it's three pages into the game. That's far too early to pass judgement on who is definitely scum.AdumbroDeus wrote:@Fallen Angel: Vote Emp, obvious scum before dealing with dumb or scum.
I don't think there's enough evidence (without wifom) to back up the idea of empking being scum *or* town. He could very well be scum, but he also might be town pushing a less-than-popular idea. Hell, he could be a jester for all we know. However, DavidParker seems clearly scummy to me, and there's no real wifom in my case against him.ConfidAnon wrote:
I agree here. It seems very unlikely for scum to push so hard for power roles to be outed openly, seeing as a mass claim does make them have to stick to a claim day 1. Without knowing the setup, that's not an ideal situation for scum. Barring wifom, a scum would not make themselves the prime center of attention this early in the game in a theory discussion like this.DavidParker, 55 wrote:Empking is probably town despite his horrible mass-claim idea.
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The notion that I am a VI is preposterous and just a quick look at some of my recent games will make it obvious that I have done all my "strange/crazy/non-sensical" actions with a purpose in mind. But really, we should be looking at this game and not discussing player meta and game theory at this point.singersigner wrote:
Can you embellish a little? In the games I've seen with him, I'veNocmen wrote:I've looked through DP's other games, and I have nothing wrong with keeping my vote on him, he definitely seems like at best a detriment to the town.reallyseen them. I've watched each of them pan out, and know exactly what DP does...but can you say the same just from browsing through? I just want to be confident that you think he's more than just a VI, and not just using Meta against him."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Empking is town. Lay off him.
As it stands, scum are just sitting back enjoying themselves, because they have an easy target in empking (for suggesting the massclaim, and myself (for claiming empking is town and not justifying my reads when we are only 4-5 pages into the game).. How about we go after someone who is scum now?
I doubt scum would be on same wagon, so look for one on empking's and one on mine. And we set.
HF+Fallen Angel seems like a combo to go with right now."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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I've stated why I think empking is town.
The reasons for thinking those 2 is scummy is because the way they voted+made cases seemed like oppurtunistic scum. Their votes didn't seem "sincere" but rather them trying to push a mislynch-wagon through (and this strenghtened my town read on empking)
The MC is obviously largely WIFOM (Although not entirely), it's not a good suggestion to make as town, but then how does it help him if he's scum? IT just puts him in the limelight and gains negative attention (Something I know all too well, and believe within reason is a good way to start a day), so with that I find it more likely a town than scum would do it, and the way he dealt with it after was very town.
Do the townies out of you who are on my/emp's wagons plan on doing some legit scum hunting and go after people who are actually scum on our wagons?? Or are you happy to vote for me for being known for anti-town behaviour and empking for getting discussion started by drawing some negative attention to him."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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There's a scum benefit to a mass claim, but it's still WIFOM because a mass-claim was NEVER going to happen day 1. He knew that, we knew that, everyone knew that. Hence it is WIFOM. If there was a realistic chance of a mass claim occurring then maybe it wouldn't be wifom and it would be scummy but that was never going to happen.
Can we stop talking about WIFOM now????"To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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oh wow i like this HF guy he is townm... As for my opinion on singerstar, I've had a scummy vibe from her every game except the first game i Had with her when i was town an die and was convinced she was town but she got lynched in lylos omehow (even though my scumpick was town, i still had singer as town foshooo,f akrimsdrunk), anyways, singer i always find scummsy since then somehow, and HF is town and emp is town. time to find anoter scum on his wagob or mayb etheres' none."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Empking wrote:
Give us one.AdumbroDeus wrote: Will it never happen D1? I have seen players that are significantly better then pretty much everyone in the game pull similar BS on multiple occasions.
Which are?One of DavidParker and EMP are scum, probably not both. EMP is by far the most likely here for obvious reasons.
This suggestion by Adumbro is ridiculous (since it's not true) and borderline scummy for setting up two mislynches. I'm struggling to find a scum-motive behind claiming something like this (since scum know it's not true), but it's enough to warrant my vote.
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When I get a town read on someone early, I state them as town. Feel free to check other games I am in and you'll see the same thing occurring.AdumbroDeus wrote:@Incognito: The issue with DP is not so much the "recklessness is a towntell" thing, that's true enough, but it's a minor tell at best. The real concern is how SURE he seems that EMP is town. My earlier comments in regards to their relationship stand.
@Empking: viewtopic.php?p=2613039#p2613039, viewtopic.php?p=2612656#p2612656, viewtopic.php?p=2610154#p2610154, viewtopic.php?p=2605267#p2605267.
All after your 12th post where you mentioned you'd be willing to let it drop, there are all after that. Pretty much everything you've said is in regards to massclaim. I don't like how distracting you've been."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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I agree that there is likely scum off his wagon. (Hence my post upon start of day, I am at fault for not hammering at the end of day 1)
However, there had been no talk of the upcoming deadline and no one had even mentioned when it was (as far as I can remember, please correct me if wrong) and there was no urgency to get a lynch happening on that specific day. That is why I had no idea I needed to switch my vote."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Cruelty is largely for lack of inactivity and just the way he has been lurking/inactive hasn't seemed genuine and actually seems like strategic lurking.
Lrd is for scumminess points, see emp's case largely.
@HF: I was voting for rhinox because of what I saw as a "scum slip", noone agreed. So, I've let it go. I didn't have a case on him being scum, just a single scum slip. As for singer, I've been back and forth on her. Right now I think she's more likely town, although I wouldn't oppose her lynch, i'd prefer the two I listed."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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As stated, my vote being on AD at deadline was a mistake on my part. I thought we had more time.Empking wrote:Lrd: Youb said "disadvantages" when you couold only think of one "disadvantage" this is scummy because it suggests that he wasn't really thinking about what he was saying or, more likely, he wasn't thinking about what he was saying with a town motivation.
Also, the accusation that I haven't voted Lrd is clearly a lie.
What is lurking?
I simply left my vote there rather than unvoting and moving it to an "actual" wagon because I was still analysing the game to see which lynch I wanted to push of the wagons that were there. I had no idea deadline was upon us, no one was acting with any sense of urgency and there was no real mention of it, so I was happy to see how the game progressed before moving my vote."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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neko2086 wrote:DP, my patience is wearing thin. Please answer my other question.
Is it really now??
I never said I wanted to vote for emp. i've been callign EMP town all game. You are misinformed.Corvuus wrote:You guys aren't making a lot of sense to me.
Noc: read my previous posts and respond when you have time please.
DP: Why would you choose me over EMP when just so many posts ago you would choose EMP over me? Are you literally going to sheep which ever direction things are going in an attempt to stay alive or what exactly are you doing? Of the two 'prevailing wagons'. You do realize that we both only have 2 votes on us, singer has 1 and that if you placed your vote on singer instead of 'flip-flop'/cruelty (which I don't understand since you haven't said anything about it) then singer would also be a 'prevailing wagon'? I'm still inclined towards useless town but wth."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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My thoughts are sporadic and continually changing. I have no intention to "gather" them. Why don't you ask questions of people actually willing to respond to them and use them to the town's advantage. You should have realized by now I have no intention to cooperate with your silly questions and requests."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Neko I have every intention of thoroughly answering your questions at this point, but something has come up and I must
V/LA til monday.
I realize this is post deadline, and as it stands there are 2 prominent wagons the singer and Coorvus wagon so I'll move my vote to try make sure a nolynch doesnt happen. ANtihero gets off today!
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Back early from v/la.
At this point I will wait til tomorrow to post content and reply, as I have a bit of catching up to do in all my games. Seeing as we are 24hours from deadline and at this point a singer lynch still needs 3 votes (seems unlikely) I think it's time for a hammer (and that will help me catch up during night :/)"To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Umm, I was completely trashed last night. My apologies.
I realize I switched my vote *nearish* to deadline day 2, but that's because there was still time for a different lynch (ie: singer over Corv) and I felt singer was a better lynch at the time. I knew people would be around for deadline this time as it had been explicitly stated multiple times unlike day 1 where it just came upon us.
Umm as for some of those things u pointed out, I think you'll find you're exaggerating the case a Lot. Such as when I voted rhinox "without explanation", it was just after someone pointed out a scum slip, I believed it was a scum slip too so I voted him, obviously implying I agreed with the previous post.
Your case points are constantly about "he did this, but didn't explain why" or "he said this, but didn't explain why well enough"
You also seem to attack me for changing my mind (ie: in regards to singer vs Corv), as the game goes my opinions and reads change."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Corv's latest post was terrible.
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Mostly the part about having a go at the town for speculating on buddying/interactions following a corv flip, then he attacks the town saying they shoudl think about what a dp or nocmen lynch would do for his speculation. You are trying to divert the lynch onto myself/nocmen here in a very scummy way. I don't like it.
As for your "thiinking out for the town", i have no intention of rushing through lylo and quick-voting or voting foolishly in the event that I reach lylo."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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HI HAYLEN!!! Congrats on reaching the nano-wrimo Goal! I don't know you, but I myself undertook the challenge (and thankfully accomplished it as well!) and probably can understand half of what you went through with it.. Welcome!
My reasons for my vote-changing and often not giving reasons to them is associated with the way I tend to play and scum hunt.. While it might not fit with this site's idea of what is "pro-town", i've found it quite useful in determining who is scum and getting reactions :/neko2086 wrote:DP, you're allowed to change your mind. Obviously. But you change your vote so frequently and without any explanation, that I don't think you're doing any scumhunting with them. And you're right--a large portion of my case has to do with you not giving reasons for thing. You're not cooperating with the town--and I can't imagine you have any pro-town reasons for it.
Not cooperating is all part of the plan"To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Because I had a gut scum-read stronger on singer. I decided to go with it. I'm voting you now because the case on you is a strong one and I believe you have behaved scummily and your wagon on day 1 not being hammered indicates quite possible scum. My gut is leaning town on you but looking at your iso I see my head telling me scum..."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Okay, sorry for my lack of activity christmas and what not has been kicking my butt timewise, I'll "legitimately" catch up by tomorrow (if not i'll be replacing myself/voting myself), especially since ill be v/la for a few days over new years. so expect some input before then!"To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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Okay that was a test post, i have a huge post lined up that I can't post when I click submit or preview i get a message saying "The page you are looking for is temporarily unavailable.
Please try again later. "
maybe it's too long... or something in it that's messing up."To die will be an awfully big adventure"-
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