Mini 1035 - Devil's Town - GAME OVER

[Tazaro]

My m.o. with replacing is to

Unvote

Now, I read the thread.

[Tazaro]

Unvote

Left side vote/unvoting is better.

[Tazaro]

Should this be my only post, I suggest that you strongly assume there is at least one scum on my wagon, because if there isn't there's not much hope for this town anyway.

It takes 5 to lynch you. You're not gonna vote yourself so there's only 3 other players in the game. Statistically speaking it would be rare that at least one scum wouldn't be on your bandwagon regardless of your alignment. But if you're saying that you're so valuable to the town that to lose you would spell the doom of us all, I'll cleverly point that out as melodramatic fear-mongering.

The player slot's questionable replacement is the scummiest action in the game so far.

I find "scummiest action in the game so far" to be a phrase that town doesn't generally say or need to say. Also, you made a misrep of what TDC meant. He did not mean that his loss would be equate to a loss of an absolutely necessary asset to town; he meant that if all the people on the wagon are townies who have not followed the lead of a manipulative scum in pushing TDC closer to the noose, then these townies who alone are bearing down on TDC are inadequate to scumhunt given, for instance, that they will be in even worse shape if they WERE manipulated if this is how they operate without manipulation.

Unvote, vote Dr Pepper

Replacing out without a reason is always scummy.

The opportunity of grabbing on to the fact of his replacement is much too easy of an opportunity that you are using to redundantly reinforce your "suspicion" of Dr. Pepper

I will go ahead and join the bandwagon. I'm keeping an eye on Dr.Pepper.[/quote]
Classic fencesitting where you can go both ways; and nice picking on an easy target for towncred; to me, your keeping an eye on someone means nothing but a promise to embark on opportunism if it arises.

My first impression is that the Blaze bandwagon is scum driven. The second thought that strikes me is that podium could be distancing from his scumbuddy on that wagon. And my conclusion is that we are only on page 3 without much posting.

First impressions are easily cast off later; I really don't see the usefulness of saying this early that podium could be distancing from his scumbuddy, unless you are posturing yourself with some ad-libbed point that you can use in order to get him on the list of your publicly stated "suspects" for your own ends.

quote="Albert B. Rampage"]Blaze comes across as a town learning the ropes for now, I don't have much suspicion for him

yet

.[/quote]
This

"yet" stuff

is a real laugh. You are leaking your intention to wait and see if there arises an opportunity to declare Blaze as suspicious so that you could subsequently jump on him.

Unvote

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

[Tazaro]

because Dr P. was such a bad player that it's very close to anti-town to not vote for him.

I get that voting for very bad players is a decent move for people to do, but I wouldn't say it's an anti-tell tell if someone decides not to vote for them imo.

[Tazaro]

ABR is at L-1 now, correct? I'm willing to hammer after the claim.

Yes, L-1.

[Tazaro]

Still waiting for an answer to my question from UT.

ABR is at L-1 now, correct? I'm willing to hammer after the claim.

You haven't mentioned ABR once all game, and you are prepared to make him claim and hammer? ??

I actually was thinking on the same lines of "why LMP, are you willing to hammer?", but I dunno, I don't think LMP is opportunistic scum.

[Tazaro]

I think Podium's point was that you didn't really elucidate/elaborate your suspicion of ABR. There's not more substance in saying you are sympathetic to a ABR wagon than in saying you are willing to hammer. I think ABR's posts speak for themselves though, but I feel my quota of responsible actions was to at least elaborate what I think of those posts, which I for one did, before voting for the son of a gun.

[Tazaro]

Note: I post every day in my threads. It's my personal quota. Makes me very active too and you'll be seeing a lot of my avatar .

[Tazaro]

Well sooner or later people will do things I find suspicious, town or not. It's all about voting the scummiest ones.

That doesn't change how you've played so far. I dunno, maybe you should CLAIM now.

[Tazaro]

2 claims on D1 is very bad for town, imo.

if you assume 2 mafia (but there could be 3 which would be worse), they have a 1/5 (or 1/4 with 3 maf) chance of killing a PR... on N1. you guys need to keep that in mind.

i would rather lynch a VT than risk exposing/killing a PR, when we have a mislynch (or mislynches) to spare.

@LMP. This is your judgment call. Do you want to hammer or do you want to take Podium's advice that I quoted?

[Tazaro]

Haha you were wrong.

Implying townhood. If this is true, then do you know what YOU would be wrong about? Wrong about thinking that you should have acted the way you did while playing town.

[Tazaro]

Seriously, I'd like to tell all scummy town people who use the "you were wrong" line, if you were in fact a townie, then learn how to play town, and don't blame others who lynch you for being a scummy townie.

[Tazaro]

Yah, Zodiark's hammer after saying Doc Pepper was obvscum is sheer opportunism. IGMEOU, Zodiark.

[Tazaro]

What's gonna be our subject of discourse now it's daytime?

[Tazaro]

Zodiark, trying our hands at identifying, on day two, the killer based on edmund's death is basically a Wifom dead end.

[Tazaro]

Zodiark, trying our hands at identifying, on day two, the killer based on edmund's death is basically a Wifom dead end.

It's also a distraction; what we need to try is to get a handle on Confid Anon's and other people who haven't posted on day two's input and then talk about posts, that are not a matter of wifom, but of interpretation.

[Tazaro]

Yah, there's a certain timing element to Zodiak's vote, and from this I see Zodiark's game play as suspect.

Vote: Zodiark

[Tazaro]

podium, did you forget to vote Zodiark?

[Tazaro]

Good gracious, how slow is this game?

[Tazaro]

Zodiark, I'm scummy for thinking you should be lynched? You should be, as far as what you've done is concerned.

[Tazaro]

I just noticed something while reading something in the wiki:

A Normal game should have at least one Mafia faction, and

no more than two

.

I didn't know about this rule... so that means we have a maximum of 2

mafia

, which is good to know.

By the word "mafia" that I underlined, do you mean mafia member or mafia group?

[Tazaro]

VOTE FOR ZODIARK, PEOPLE!

[Tazaro]

Actually, can someone just unvote Zodiark please? He's at L-1 right now, and I don't think we're ready for that yet.

Unvote

You think things are going to happen to make us ready?

[Tazaro]

I find it interesting that Taz was willing to unvote before asking Incognito why he wanted the unvote. Looks like buddying up to the new player.

You think things are going to happen to make us ready?

@Taz: If you are questioning his motives, why not ask this and get an answer first?

I put cart before the horse at times. I'm not sure I like Incognito's vote for Untrod Tripod.

[Tazaro]

I find it interesting that Taz was willing to unvote before asking Incognito why he wanted the unvote. Looks like buddying up to the new player.

You think things are going to happen to make us ready?

@Taz: If you are questioning his motives, why not ask this and get an answer first?

I put cart before the horse at times. I'm not sure I like Incognito's vote for Untrod Tripod.

...because he's starting a new wagon after the Zodiark one.

Vote: Zodiark

[Tazaro]

If I'm being genuine. Genuine is my middle name.

[Tazaro]

LMP's tunneling Untrod Tripod, but I don't agree with that tunneling; it's to easy to tunnel.

[Tazaro]

Untrod Tripod ain't giving me any scum tells.

[Tazaro]

PROGRESS!

Now if I could just get some reasoning out of you, I think I just might be able to sleep tonight without the use of diphenhydramine.

I'm sorry about this, but I have played in this forum only since July, and Untrod Tripod was scum in a game that's now over, so I'm inclined to believe he's town now .

[Tazaro]

I have a feeling Untrod Tripod may answer be best served to answer that question. I c him browsing, but don't know if he's in another game in Coney Island

[Tazaro]

LMP's tunneling Untrod Tripod, but I don't agree with that tunneling; it's to easy to tunnel.

Please explain my "tunneling".

I consider tunneling to be inordinately criticizing one person's posts when you are not inordinately criticizing others' posts. The inordinate-ness of the criticism of UT's posts is why your case got no sympathy.

[Tazaro]

@Tazaro:

What did you have in mind with respect to Untrod in that other game you mentioned?

Statistics was the only thing I was thinking of.

[Tazaro]

Le sigh. Okay, let's use the power of L-1:

Unvote: Zodiark

Vote: Untrod Tripod

[Tazaro]

That's good that there was a spurt of activity after my vote,

UNVOTE

[Tazaro]

Sorry. Having a mind drunk with whatever makes me do weird things.

Vote: Zodiark

[Tazaro]

I said drunk with "whatever." I felt drunk because I was distraught with something in real life, as if I were in zombie mode.

[Tazaro]

I said drunk with "whatever." I felt drunk because I was distraught with something in real life, as if I were in zombie mode.

Didn't know what to call "whatever."

[Tazaro]

My posting sure was more substantive as scum Even a wall of text in the first page of my ISO.

[Tazaro]

He's hovering right now lol/

[Tazaro]

But I saw him hover when we were playing Zang's Mini 1003.

[Tazaro]

I want TDC to claim first.

[Tazaro]

I'm a tracker.
Now for a LMP claim?

[Tazaro]

After day one was over, Zodiark was a suspicious person in my eyes, so I tracked Zodiark and result: he did not leave his house. After day two was over, I was worried about Incognito, so I tracked Incognito and result: he did not leave his house.

[Tazaro]

taz, you fail pretty hard man. why did you let us lynch an innocent person? ...or a better question:

WHY WERE

YOU

VOTING FOR AN INNOCENT PERSON?

I thought, this isn't a result I can get off to, but then I thought, why would Zodiark submit the nightkill anyway?; he was a top suspicious person after ABP died.

[Tazaro]

Double Post:

taz, you fail pretty hard man. why did you let us lynch an innocent person? ...or a better question:

WHY WERE

YOU

VOTING FOR AN INNOCENT PERSON?

because he's lying scum. He claimed an information role and provided us with no information. How likely is a tracker and a watcher in the same game? Isn't 9-player setup either just a cop or a doc+cop as PRs on the town side?

vote Taz

I've been in a game that's now over, and as scum in that game, me and my partner's discussion involved watcher AND tracker. Scum are cognizant of these roles, so if you are a more suspicious scum-mate, you're not going to risk being tracked.

[Tazaro]

But having a watcher and a tracker is NOT f*** at all.

[Tazaro]

TDC: Incognito striked me as having the posturing to be Machiavellian.
UT: Watcher and tracker in the same game is VERY believable, so what you talking about UT?

http://mediaoutrage.com/wp-content/uplo ... leman2.jpg

[Tazaro]

@podium: THAT's definitely not how it works on THIS site.
@TDC: Incognito striked me as having the posturing to be Machiavellian.
@UT: Watcher and tracker in the same game is VERY believable, so what you talking about UT?

[Tazaro]

Same goes for any combination of podium and us two, actually, he's around, too.

Pretty sure we should lynch UT.

O, that's a great use of logic.

Vote: Untrod Tripod

[Tazaro]

Pretty sure we should lynch UT.

Any doubt holding you back?

[Tazaro]

You're next to be lynched, aren't you?

[Tazaro]

Either (1) UT is scum; or (2) he would have been hammered by now.

[Tazaro]

Either (1) UT is scum; or (2) he would have been hammered by now.

or you're scum and your pard'ner (if this game has a two person mafia team) is waiting for someone else to vote for me

Yeah, I can only speak from my point of view.

[Tazaro]

Is he dead?

No?

Then I'd say there's a pretty good chance he's NOT town.

Same for you, buddy.

[Tazaro]

UT, you should know that having only one enemy to contend with in a nine-player game is horribly unbalanced.

[Tazaro]

UT's scum buddy. Who could it be? If it's not LMP, then that's a really tough dilemma to figure out.

[Tazaro]

@podium: Where does your read of Taz come from? meta only? He looks really scummy to me.

LMP: You have no idea what I put the Open Game, Trendy and Subversive, through.

[Tazaro]

This situation reminds me of my first newbie game; I replaced into a situation in which two people (a poster named Sauron and my scum partner, Leech) were voting for each other, in LyLo, and the rest of the town had to choose between them, and I was able to cast my vote and wait to see if the deciding vote from another person will be a hammer leading to a mislynch. The people in this game have to make the right decision about whom they trust--me or UT. I can't be that difficult to read me and get a sense of whether I'm more innocent than UT, can it?

[Tazaro]

Since the idea of UT and I BOTH being scum who are bussing each other with votes in LyLo is far-fetched because that bussing guarantees that one of us would be lynched, then I can look forward to dying since I will be a obvtown in people's eyes if we lynch UT, which will result in his flipping scum and I will be the opposite alignment obviously because we're not both scum.

[Tazaro]

Since the idea of UT and I BOTH being scum who are bussing each other with votes in LyLo is far-fetched because that bussing guarantees that one of us would be lynched, then I can look forward to dying since I will be a obvtown in people's eyes if we lynch UT, which will result in his flipping scum and I will be the opposite alignment obviously because we're not both scum.

I look forward to dying because I'm not up to staying around and making decisions in a day 4 LyLo situation.

[Tazaro]

We need only one vote to get a UT lynch. After that vote comes, I'm pretty much a dead duck.

[Tazaro]

We need only one vote to get a UT lynch. After that vote comes, I'm pretty much a dead duck.

Free duck meat for everyone. MMM Hmm.

[Tazaro]

<<posting for the sake of posting; It's Saturday and I want to do Saturday stuff>>

[Tazaro]

Vote and put us into night plz.