Mini 1033 - Paradise Mafia: Over

[Friend]

vote: drmyshottyizsik

He's in every damn game I play.

[Friend]

HEY LMP

I hope he doesn't cost us the win like he did in Megaman. Of course you just loved it though...

[Friend]

No.

[Friend]

SHOOP DE WHOOP

Vote: redtail896

Okay so here's the thing. Last two games I was in a quicklynch was a definite possibility but it never went through. SOMETHIN'S GOTTA CHANGE.

Redtail's last post just oozes scum out of its many orifices. "What? Huh? I didn't realize why my lack of desire to pressure anyone or even attempt to scumhunt is scummy!!"

People I feel like we need to pivot once more and vote Midnight.

You do realize this is directed at 2 people right? While MS's shit was coitantly scummy trying to be all heroic and redirect a wagon ain't doin anything.

[Friend]

Hullo!

Game got off to a rapid start when I left the house. Figures.

Spyrex: You're either Nexus, or against us. /nerdwrestling reference. Although, not where I got the username from.

You're avoiding the pressing issue at hand here. Just commenting on the RVS vote instead of you know, things that could actually be scummy is scummy.

Oh and I meant "certainly" in the Three Stooges accent, buttonmen/SpyreX. "soitenly" may have been a better choice looking back.

[Friend]

unvote, vote: Dekes

Nevermind, we got another live one here.

[Friend]

Saying "REDTAIL IS SCUMMIEST BUT I DON'T WANNA VOTE" seems like you're just trying to either avoid wagoning on town (pushing the wagon while distancing yourself from it) or avoid wagoning your scumbuddy.

I wasn't (really) serious about my quicklynch suggestion. If the situation deserves it then yes I would like one but just for kicks.

[Friend]

Why did you feel the need to be so cautious with your vote?

[Friend]

Cloudocean, dekes is a better vote.

[Friend]

unvote, vote: Redtail

since you lazy motherfuckers don't feel like helping me wagon Dekesy and they're probably buddies anyways

[Friend]

Dr can you explain the case on redtail in your own words

[Friend]

It's not producing content, redtail. It's you basically saying "WHY ARE YOU GUYS PRESSING MS FOR HIS POLICY LYNCH HE DIDN'T DO NOTHIN WRONG" when pressing people on

anything

early game is good.

Just because I don't believe in a redtail wagon because the initial reason is crap makes me and redtail buddies? Now you're just grasping at straws.

No, that's probably the opposite of grasping at straws. I'm grasping at something more easily graspable.

[Friend]

Well I misspoke then. I know you didn't want a policy lynch. I meant ""WHY ARE YOU GUYS PRESSING MS FOR HIS POLICY LYNCH

ACCUSATION

HE DIDN'T DO NOTHIN WRONG"

[Friend]

Because it obviously wasn't, and you painting it as such is scummy.

[Friend]

Pressing =/= misrepping.

[Friend]

What? I don't understand.

[Friend]

Those quotes just don't seem to show anything at all.

Pressing still =/= misrepping even if it is early game.

[Friend]

Because he was questioning the pressure on you.

[Friend]

Where did I say it wasn't wrong?

[Friend]

I meant "LMP's vote obviously wasn't a policy lynch vote."

[Friend]

I haven't played with MS before, but if this is what he does it's kinda pissing me off. I would like to stop so I'm not going to answer that question, as I've already explained it in the past.

[Friend]

SPREXY I <3 YOU TOO

Am I the only one who never has any idea what the fuck MS is saying? I've tried to read this like three times:

So when he asks why people are voting me (The two reasonless votes I mentioned) and if they were because of me asking if your vote was a policy lynch, and in the end the same thing happens to him (Again with two reasonless votes coming someones way), when he then asks (Quite reasonbly if may add) why they were now voting him(Because of two reasonless votes), and no one gives him an acceptble anwser...he is suddenly scum because he can't defend himself from nothing?

and I can't wrap my head around it. Too many fuckin parentheses man.

[Friend]

About my comment to redtail: What LMP said.

[Friend]

Dekes "should be town," Elli? Meh agree to disagree.

[Friend]

MS, who do you think is scum?

[Friend]

Yeah but that was for a pretty piss-poor reason MS.

[Friend]

Sigh, MS. Do you know how to read in between the lines?

[Friend]

That was a fairly useless post from Nexus

[Friend]

Nexus you've spent 7 pages saying "I gotta wait for more content to decide what to do"

[Friend]

No, I'm pissed cause you're attacking someone who's town instead of focusing on scum.

[Friend]

He's way less scummy than half the people in the game.

Whatever, you can vote him if you want but it only makes you scummier.

[Friend]

Dekes, redtail, you, MS, Buttonmen, cloudocean. All scummier than Elli.

"Criticising" = finding scummy behavior = "contributing".

[Friend]

No, not particularly.

I'd say actually saying why people are scummy is better than just criticising other people for having opinions.

"Opinions" can have scum motivation behind them, you know. I'm not trying to call people with opinions scummy, I'm calling people with scummy opinions scummy. That's the point of the game no?

[Friend]

Eh, I can't say I agree with your style of play, but if it works for you, fair enough.

BUT YOU'RE FINDING ELLI SCUMMY FOR HIS PLAYSTYLE

[Friend]

I'M NOT FINDING YOU SCUMMY FOR YOUR PLAYSTYLE LOL

[Friend]

Oh, just my opinions. Alright then. Have fun with that.

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING FINDING YOU SCUMMY FOR YOUR OPINIONS IS SCUMMY?

[Friend]

It's a pretty poor point, LMP.

[Friend]

god I totally forgot he was in this game

[Friend]

Then, he misthinks it's a policy lynch (nulltell) and you just pile up on him for that??

Try again?

[Friend]

Shotty mentioned something about being VLA for surgery in another game I believe.

MURDER DEATH PACT is a go as everyone in your town list is pretty blatantly town. Pacman's just bitter he's not in it.

Oh yeah pacman, we didn't pile up on him for "thinking it was a policy lynch." We (or at least I) piled up on him because he was trying to stop us from questioning and voting MS about his accusation that LMP's vote was policy.

[Friend]

unvote, vote: Nexus

LET'S DO THIS SHIT

[Friend]

OH YEAH BUTTONMEN CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ORDERS FROM SOMEONE WHO'S NOT OBVTOWN

[Friend]

^Obvious Town =/= Actual Town.

Try again?

I wasn't calling ButtonMen obvtown, you know.

[Friend]

SORRY SPY I'VE JUST KIND OF BEEN AT A LOSS FOR WORDS. NEXUS/REDTAIL/PACMAN STILL NEED ROPE.

[Friend]

Waiting for a votecount before I see if I want to vote redtail.

[Friend]

Cool.

unvote, vote: redtail896

HEY MURDERERS LET'S GO

[Friend]

Hey Dekes, the thing about the whole "scum can slip into the MURDERIN DEATH PACT" statement is that that situation can be dealt with in LyLo -- making a pact of strong town reads is

great

for early-game play. Unless all 3 scum are in it (which is nigh-impossible IMO) that bloc of surviving players can sort out the possible scum in the alliance in the endgame.

But for now, it's a good idea. So just roll with it.

[Friend]

So buttonmen had two major targets - MS and pacman. The question here is which one is he bussing?

I don't think he'd say:

Dear Death Awesome Pact.

Please all vote Pacman.

-Sincerely TheButtonmen

About a scumbuddy at a point where lynching was going to happen pretty soon - it did kind of come out of nowhere. But, I don't see him shying away from bussing MS early in the game after his scummy early-game play, and then letting the more powerful wagon "win out" if you know what I mean.

More MS scumminess here, at the L-1 vote:

^How convenient /jk

I don't like how MS is trying to prevent anyone from applying pressure. Pressuring is one of the most effective methods for town especially Day 1 to draw out scum slips. Sometimes people have to pick on minimal things to see how people react to it.

Pressure is good. It's when a bad case gets pushed to high heaven that it becomes bad.


That said, Redtail is showing...*gasp*

actual

scum behavior since his wagon dispersed and went else where, by not posting and just plain lurking. Now

this

is something I can put my vote on.

Unvote
Vote: Red

After defending Red REALLY FUCKIN STAUNCHLY for 11 pages, you suddenly flip when you realize the wagon is going somewhere? Seems to me like you couldn't make up your mind between distancing from the mislynch or actively pushing it. That level of flip-flopping deserves a:

vote: Midnight's Sorrow

[Friend]

LMP, what do you think about the quote I posted earlier?

[Friend]

In general, scum cares more about what people think about them than town does.

[Friend]

SpyreX, who were your secret mystery town players?

[Friend]

Nope, not OMGUS. He said he liked my case. I posted a nice little MD thread about this.

[Friend]

Cloudocean's vote switch was odd, but I'm definitely more convinced by MS-scum than anyone else.

That does look like it could be the classic FoS buddy vote townie move up there in pacman's post...

[Friend]

EBWODP: On second thought, Friend's case on page 12 makes me feel more confident that MS will flip scum over PM. Also, I'm not satisfied with the defense.

unvote

vote:MS

In what way were you unsatisfied with the defense, cloud?

[Friend]

I wouldn't have a huge problem with it, LMP.

[Friend]

On second thought, I wouldn't have a huge problem with it based on play alone, but I still don't really see that quote from ButtonMen coming out of nowhere about a scumbuddy.

[Friend]

It just rubs me the wrong way when you basically don't mention a player throughout D1 and then when he flips scum you say "welp I knew it all along." Something there isn't right.

SpyreX and LMP are still town. Dekes I've gone back to null on; I may have been to quick to judge earlier. The others (except shotty, still null there too) I would have very few qualms about voting. MS is still my most confident scumread, however.

[Friend]

So how does unconfident translate to "I knew he would flip scum!"

[Friend]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME MS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME. THE CASE WE HAVE LAID OUT ON YOU IS REALLY, REALLY DAMN CONCRETE. MORE CONCRETE THAN CONCRETE ITSELF.

[Friend]

MS you are probably the most frustrating person I've ever played with. Remind me to never play with you again. The case on you is GOOD and I'm NOT arguing about it with you cause you're going to just say "well that's not scummy WAH" and then I'm going to say YES IT IS and get even more damn frustrated.

[Friend]

"Flipping shit around," MS?

Shotty, I <3 you too

[Friend]

My god, yes. After that last post especially.

[Friend]

SpyreX, who would you rather lynch instead?

I feel like one of {pacman, MS} is scum, and so if you feel like pacman is the better lynch I'll sheep.

Inhim, you replaced Nexus? Not a chance. You've gotta prove yourself first.

[Friend]

LMP I still wanna lynch MS. :/

[Friend]

Before his own sheeping on the Inhim wagon:

So sheeping without adding anything else to it?

Awe-saw!

I can dig that one a lot better.

Heh.

Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to lynch Midnight's Sorrow right noooooooowwww

[Friend]

MS, you know snarky responses are not acceptable defenses, right?

[Friend]

Bulletproof SK, I'm guessing. Or scum. No way he's town.

[Friend]

Massclaim is a decent idea. There are two people that I'm fairly sure one of which is scum (I don't know if that made any sense).

[Friend]

We could always NL and save the massclaim for LyLo now that I think about it.

vote: no lynch

[Friend]

From scummiest to towniest:

Inhim
pacman
shotty <-- although the lurking isn't helping
Dekes
LMP

[Friend]

Dekes and shotty are basically interchangeable. He's more on the null side of town than town, but that's just my general ranking.

[Friend]

Well, LMP as confirmed town helps, although I already had him basically down as town.

I think there is one scum in the group {inhim, pacman} and the other is from {dekes, shotty}. As for the possible pairings, I'll read over some stuff and see what I think.

[Friend]

Hahaha, LMP, I didn't even notice that.

Alright, I have some shotty scum meta now here and I must say it looks fairly similar. Lurking, being unhelpful, etc. His town meta, he's been at least somewhat townish-looking. This game...I don't know.

I agree we should lynch today, since LMP is confirmed town, etc.

unvote, vote: InHim

Still my top suspect here.

[Friend]

I'm starting to think Pacman might not be scum based on that ButtonMen post.

[Friend]

Totally agree with Dekes there. When all your reads are "mild," you're walking on eggshells and not wanting to man up and take stances. Maybe that last post was wrong - I keep going back and forth on the TBM post.

[Friend]

It's okay, guys, I started 0-5. Don'tfeel bad.

[Friend]

Thanks guys. I felt I did a good job, although it was pretty easy shit. The modkill helped tremendously, shotty was blehhh and Dekes did a good job.

MS, thank god we lynched you. You had 2/3 scum pegged.

[Friend]

Also, first time playing scum, so if there's any tips you guys have for me in the future please let me know.