SSBF: I'm not going to argue every point with you. For the most part I've made my points and you've made your rebuttals, people can make up there own minds. There are, however a couple I'd like to mention.
Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
q21 wrote:The bolded makes no sense. quadz calls you out for your claim that defending people is a scumtell and quadz defends someone. There is no hypocrisy there, there is the complete opposite, consistency. If he'd been the one to say "defending is a scumtell" and then defended someone, that would be hypocrisy.
SSBF is trying to look like he's adding something to the quadz case that was going on, labelling something hypocrisy because it hypocrisy is a scummy buzzword - not because that's what actually happened.
Bolded: Are you ignoring the part where I called him out for using AtE and not doing a very good job with his case on me? So you're saying that I added nothing to quadz08's caes then?
The AtE was barely that and you were wishy-washy about calling him on it.
As to the other part, what you wrote was :
I also find it odd that despite him attacking vezokpiraka, that he's currently going after me. He showed us more evidence that vezokpiraka was scum then I was, yet has a vote one me.
Sentence one,: there's nothing wrong with suspecting two people at once. Sentence two: I disagree, he'd attacked vezo at one or two points along the way and he had also back off vezo for one or two points along the way; you, he set out specifically to make a case against.
Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:I also noticed that all your evidence is from Day 1/very early Day 2. Given that I'm your top suspect, I was kind of hoping that you would provide more recent examples of why I am scummy. Your case on me is dated.
The vast majority of your day 2 play is characterised by: Attacking Vezo; attacking Tazaro; attacking vezo and Tazaro together. There is also a bandwagon analysis right at the beginning of the day which is decent, but indicative of intellect more than alignment.
The point can be made that you're only going after the easy targets, but that point is lessened by the fact that going after Tazaro is mostly a null tell. His play warranted pretty much every attack levelled against it and was worth every vote on him. People on his lynch are just as easily town targeting scummy play as scum targeting the easy mislynch.
The only point worth raising among your attacks on Tazaro is this one:
Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
And Tazaro, for the love of god don't replace out. You replaced in for a person who would be V/LA for too long to play the game, for you to replace out via request would be disrespectful to the game. I'd rather have you lynched today.
His replacing out might have filled a town spot with a more reasonable player. Reads like you're scared that if he is replaced by a reasonable player you lose your easy lynch.
Moving on.
Humble Poirot wrote:
q21 wrote:
Says he doesn't want to defend Tasky and then... defends Tasky. Its like he doesn't actually want to call Tasky town because that might serve to decrease his targets for a potential mislynch, but he knows he can look involved if he weighs in on the Tasky situation. What he ends up doing is getting caught between the two.
Dude... Do you even remember why you guys were going after Tasky? You were going at him because Tasky had asked some questions and that was supposed to be a mild attempt to end the rvs (which according to vezok, meant scum).
What you're doing is terrible. You're dismissing the whole context of situations and going for the A did B -> that must be a scumtell.
In context there was little to no reason to believe Tasky was scummy outside of the issues raised around those questions. Friend was defending him with respect to that, but still made sure to say he still thought Tasky might be scummy.
Humble Poirot wrote:Oh, Good Lord! I'd forgotten how much Humble writes. I'm not going to half read him and a whole read would take more time than I have right now. That will have to wait until a later time. From memory his plays has been fairly town - but maybe he's just using lots of words to obfuscate his scumminess. Jury is still out on him for me.
I try to be as clear as possible. If you want to ask me anything about the game and want me to be brief just say so. Anyway, Humble may be smart scum... I seem to remember that...
If you feel I'm deliberately obfuscating my posts somehow please point to me where and why.
@q21
: Yesterday you voted diddin for the L-1 and asked for a claim. Next you voted Tazaro and left. Why is diddin town JK and not anything else?
q21 wrote: read through the beginning of the game, looking at the Tasky wagon as a starting point because we now know he's town. I think there's scum on there
Another non-statement. Scum, is likely to be in the waggon. Also, you were on the waggon too. What about it?
You dismiss players just because they claimed something? Their motives do not matter?
q21 wrote:diddin - Jailkeeper claim. It could be scum RB, but I'm not feeling that. I'm against lynching the claimed JK today. (interestingly enough, my stances on Oso and diddin mean that from a game setup standpoint I don't mind a Humble lynch. Will have to reread him to see if I'm also fine with it from a play standpoint.)
Of course you don't. Based on what arguments would you lynch me?
Firstly, I didn't say you were obfuscating I said you may be. On the weekend I will reread you and I will decide one way or the other. Then, if there are instances, I will bring them up.
Secondly, I was not on that wagon. At no point on Day 1 did I vote for Tasky.
It would be too strong to say I 100% believe diddn's claim, but I'm not interested just now in lynching the uncounter-claimed protective role. I don't think Oso is scum. These views give me reason to want to reread you as in this situation I need to think you may be scum from both the standpoints of the setup and your play. If after a proper read of you I have genuinely no valid reason to suspect you I think I'll go back to suspecting diddin.
Humble Poirot wrote:q21 wrote:SSBF - Only one left, so off to look at his play
Oh my... Do I sense you're pulling "Thea Aran stunt" against SSBF? Look at everything he posted and try to find something scummy about it in retrospect?
The worst thing is that many of the things you say now, you had the opportunity to say in the past and didn't.
Maybe in game time I had the opportunity, but in RL time I didn't.
"I can't not give mad props to the murderbot 9000 that was q21." - Spyrex, after Scummies Invitational 2010.
You know those times when you wish you could think of something really funny or interesting to say, but just can't?... Yep, this is one of those times.