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All right, what was with all the vote switching? I sort of understand when you say it's a Day 1 tactic, Tasky, but, really, there are better ways to get discussion started than throwing votes around like confetti. That kind of vote switching means that, when it's time for you to truly pressure someone, your vote has no weight; you've shown that you're willing to change on a whim.
Not to mention the rapid switching makes it look like you're something-that-isn't-town trying to find out what sticks. Heck, that was the first reaction I got when I looked at your voting pattern. :/
chihuahua0, I have no idea why you voted nopointinactingup. For one thing, nopointinactingup voted Tasky before you changed votes, so your voting reason is moot. Neither AClockworkMelon nor AWA have voted, either, yet you did not address them in your post.
Nothing else stands out for me at the moment, except perhaps for AClockworkMelon's lack of a vote despite all the RVS votes being tossed around. I'd ask questions and poke people, but I'm running short on time at the moment, so that will have to wait until after my V/LA.-
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I'm going to get to analyzing all the posts during my absence, but I guess I can do these first:
1. Townie. There's freedom in being a townie that one doesn't have with any other role, mainly because a townie has no worries about self-preservation.Tasky wrote:a) which role do you prefer to play (no esoteric roles please)? in particular, do you prefer being mafia or townie?
b) how would you characterize your playing-style?
c) if you were to cast an arbitrary vote, who would you vote for?
d) what do you think about bandwagons?
e) what do you think about RVS?
2. No idea. Really. I just go with it. >_>
3. Wait, didn't we just go through a round of RVS? What is this question for? (For the record, I voted for nopointinactingup. If I were to vote now, it'd be Tasky.)
4. Bandwagons are a good way to get reactions from people and clarify reads, as long as it's a legitimate and well-backed wagon. Bandwagons are also good stuff to analyze, before and after flips.
5. RVS is a good way to get a game started. Better than RQS, IMO, since RQS leads to theory discussion, which is both useless and anti-town because it distracts people from scum hunting. Save the theory stuff for the Mafia Discussion forum. :/-
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A quick comment before I go back into the pile of stuff I'm reading (which includes the catch-up in this game...):
From a skim, the wagon and the suspicions I see being flung around are mostly on active players -- chihuahua0, RetroAudio, Tasky -- with little to no attention to lurkers or active lurkers. Active players say more things than lurkers, which makes it easier for everyone else to pick apart posts. Don't forget the lurkers or the people riding coattails.
Further, I'm getting the feeling that the chihuahua0 wagon is scum-driven. He's a ridiculously easy target, and I'm seeing some signs of a policy lynch going on. That doesn't sit well with me.
This post was mostly based on gut feelings I got while skimming yesterday's and today's posts. I'll have actual logic and evidence when I'm done with the catch-up post.-
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The "ANSWER MY QUESTIONS OR DIE" Wall of Text
All hail post numbers!
Basically, this wall is for questions. I realize questions may be missed because this is a large post, but... don't purposefully ignore the questions within. I'll just ask you again. And again. >_>
Was there a reason Lemon questioned Zang in post 27?
I don't see the rhetoric Untrod Tripod claims to see from Tasky. I'm 99% serious and 1% joking about that.
I don't understand this vote. Tasky fears bandwagons... why?
Are you planning on continuing this practice later in the game, when hard stances are more critical to town's win condition? I thought you said this vote-hopping was an early game tactic.Tasky wrote:but even if used later in the game, how exactly is the mafia supposed to use it? by starting a bandwagon from it, just so I can change target soon after? or by accusing me to be scum try to have me lynched, but by then you know already that it's just my playing style so that won't work out either?
Clarification of how you got to this result, please. I don't give points to students who don't show their work.chihuahua0 wrote:But now we have three people at L-5. It's about a 1/4 chance at least one of them are scum.
What I don't understand is how else MagnaofIllusion is supposed to do it. His attacks appear to me to be well-rounded, which is a good thing to do in Day 1 as it spreads attention across the player list and prevents tunneling. I also don't see how he is "diverting [attention and suspicions] from himself." Please explain that last part.Lemon wrote:@Mindgamer - It may be effective scumhunting, but it is also effective in diverting attention from yourself. And he probably isn't the first to act really pro-town to shake off suspicions. Obviously pro-town is usually for the town, but Magna's type of pro-town pushing seems to be doing is spreading suspicions and attention elsewhere, diverting them from himself.
No comment on pressure bandwagons? Would you only join bandwagons on people who are "condemned as scummy"?chihuahua0 wrote:d) what do you think about bandwagons?
If the person is condemned as scummy, yes. Policy vote wagons are fine too.
How is MagnaofIllusion "using" you?chihuahua0 wrote:3> How do you feel about Magma's attack on you?
I need to go back a little bit to look at it, but I have a gut feeling that he might be using me.
I may agree with your defense of chihuahua0 (more later), but this is a poor response to MagnaofIllusion's accusation that you are chainsaw defending. Post more evidence behind your defense of chihuahua0, or I start wondering why you so firmly believe he is town.Lemon wrote:I see it as instead of possibly getting rid of a scum, or focusing our suspicions elsewhere, we focus on his newb play.-
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Another wall to follow my wall of questions.
Yes. I really did run short on time, though; I finally got a free day today to tear through the game. Now that I'm caught up, I hope I won't be so inactive again. No promises, of course... because seeing 3-4 new pages in a 24-hour span is rather intimidating.Mindgamer wrote:You do realise you're a lurker yourself right? And in literary every post you're talking about needing a catchup or running short on time. Take your own advice to heart.
First, I'm going to address something I saw while browsing past the RVS posts:
This goes into theory discussion, so I'll only mention this briefly. Sometimes, there are reasons behind votes that cannot be said lest the purpose of the vote be ruined. Unless it's dangerously close to a hammer, wait for the voted player to respond first before jumping on an apparently unreasoned vote.Untrod Tripod wrote:Throwing votes on people with little to no reasoning is suspicious.
Of course, consistently voting for no reason is suspicious; it's just that individual votes may not be, depending on circumstances.
The argument between RetroAudio and Tasky made me go @_@. I don't process those kinds of arguments very well, so what I'll do instead of reading through those posts again -- because I'll just zone out if I do -- is keep an eye on both of them. Stance-wise, I slightly lean town on Tasky and read null on RetroAudio.
Anyone notice that AClockworkMelon isactivelylurking? He is either riding other players' coattails (refer to posts where he quotes) or making short comments that don't betray any of his thoughts regarding players. Further, he jumped on a chihuahua0 wagon without his own reasoning; he basically cites youngminii and even copies youngminii's FoS. No, no, no.
AClockworkMelon is scum. Lynch him.
Vote: AClockworkMelon
I realize this is a short case, so if anyone wants a post-by-post analysis, I'll willingly deliver. I'm just not making one now because I think you guys will be quite sick of walls by the time you get to this one. (Not to mention I'm sick of typing them. >_<)-
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I just remembered that I promised to talk more about chihuahua0 somewhere in my first wall, so I'll go ahead and do this before I hop off elsewhere to rest my boggled brain.
Yes, there is a chance that chihuahua0 is scum. However, I do not believe he is scum because he's been consistent; further, he admitted to anti-town playing style in RQS, and I have reason to believe those responses were honest. I may reconsider if something odd comes about later in the game, but for now I am reading null on him. (Null because I am not going to discount the fact that he hasn't been the most pro-town player around.)
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Do you want us tochihuahua0 wrote:The reason I didn't answer question one because you wouldn't be asking the question unless you are going to examine my response.notexamine you?
As for the rest of your post, townies have no reason to fear scrutiny. They still win if they die, so they are free to accuse, vote, and defend as necessary. Why are you afraid of people criticizing you?-
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Ugh. Another wall of quotes...
Thanks for answering my questions! If I don't address your response, that means I'm happy with it.
On the other hand, if MagnaofIllusion is town, that's exactly what he has to do: focus on other players he feels are scum. This hunch feels like paranoia.Lemon wrote:By focusing on others, he is able to change our perspective to focus on them. What I only have is a semi-hunch.
Haha. Yeah, that wall I made* was pretty damn big. I'm not going to do that again... I think.nopointinactingup wrote:@Equinox and his typical Wall-O-Text:
* = refers to a completed game
I didn't see this until Tasky pointed it out. So much for zoning out.
This looks like you're going into the "Too Townie" fallacy. Explain, particularly the part where you say pro-town play can be pro-mafia.Lemon wrote:Extremely pro-town play can be both pro-town and mafia. I would rather leave it at more a, don't trust you completely stage. Your arguments are cogent, and I respect that, but with caution.-
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chihuahua0: You didn't answer these questions.
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Clarification of how you got to this result, please. I don't give points to students who don't show their work.chihuahua0 wrote:But now we have three people at L-5. It's about a 1/4 chance at least one of them are scum.Equinox wrote:
No comment on pressure bandwagons? Would you only join bandwagons on people who are "condemned as scummy"?chihuahua0 wrote:d) what do you think about bandwagons?
If the person is condemned as scummy, yes. Policy vote wagons are fine too.
These are in addition to the question I asked following your post.Equinox wrote:chihuahua0, you voted for nopointinactingup way back in post 62 as a random vote, and you haven't moved your vote since. Who do you think is scum?-
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No. I'm quoting Lemon because of some of the things he's saying.chihuahua0 wrote:But it seems like you are leaning towards Lemon, am I right? (I might be wrong).
My main suspect, who I want lynched, is AClockworkMelon. I'm reading null on everyone else for the moment... with a few slight-town reads.-
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So, was that what you did with your chihuahua0 vote?AClockworkMelon wrote:
I thought that to jump on a bandwagon was to follow a trend. My answer was appropriate.Mindgamer wrote:
Cool. But the question is what you think of bandwagons, not what you think is optimal play.AClockworkMelon wrote:d) what do you think about bandwagons?
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AClockworkMelon wrote:At the risk of being shouted down beneath cries of "OMGUS!",FOS: Equinox. The 'case' against me is ridiculous. Maybe you're looking for an easy lynch but I don't think you'll find one here. We've had 7 pages of discussion and you're indifferent towards everyone except me? I'm not buying what you're selling, sorry.Seriously?You have contributed absolutely zero scum hunting in this game, and this is your first original FoS. You can hardly accuse me of being "indifferent towards everyone except [you]" when you, yourself, have postednothingin terms of reads towards players or suspicions. You're either piggy backing or spouting theory. I call that active lurking.
Active lurking == SCUM.
Explain what you were doing with your chihuahua0 vote, then. That wasn't you going for an "easy lynch," was it?-
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You had your suspicions raised because of two posts from chihuahua0, yet you did not mention this when you voted him. All you said was you were going to copy youngminii's vote and FoS. Why?
Is this QFT from you representative of your opinion of this game?AClockworkMelon wrote:
I make my opinion known.AClockworkMelon wrote:youngminii wrote:I dunno, it looks like Tasky's just rapidly switching targets. He's already voted for 4 different people so far.
You've made only one case against one player, and you did not deliver that case against Equinox we awaited. Worse, you picked a very easy target. Normally, I don't find that as big of a scum tell as others do, but when coupled with your active lurking, it's one big, black mark on your file.
You had no problem "saying what's already been said" before. Why hesitate when it came to accusing Tasky?AClockworkMelon wrote:Excuse me if I don't feel like saying what's already been said. People are aware of Tasky's behavior without my making this giant post about it.
tl;dr: No.-
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I need to look at the case against RetroAudio, but for now I think I need to focus on...
That looks horrible. Commit to an opinion! Is AClockworkMelon scum or not?Tasky wrote:I don't know whether AClockworkMelon is scum,
If you think a player may be a town power role, and you are town-aligned, please don't say something like this! You're just pointing out people for scum to kill.chihuahua0 wrote:Relationships usually means scum, or masons.
That said, this post looks like you are fishing for masons. Why did you bring this up?
How would it be rash? If you think they are scum, you should be voting!chihuahua0 wrote:I bet scum, but it would be rash for me to vote for one of them right now.
AClockworkMelon. Already stated why. The other possibility is youngminii, but I haven't had the chance to look more closely at youngminii's push for chihuahua0's lynch, so I'm sitting null for the moment.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Scum driven wagon? Hmmm. At the time of this post Chi has exact three votes – myself, ACM, and Young. Which of these players is scum and why?
How is this scummy, Lemon?Lemon wrote:You have the most posts (which is kind of a null argument), but you also have attacked the most people, and very early for insignificant slights.
chihuahua0, Lemon, Mindgamer, Untrod Tripod, youngminii: Top 2 suspects with explanation, please.
Lemon, Tasky, commit to an opinion, please.
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Flimsy because chihuahua0 continually trips up my scumdar, even though I'm aware this is his posting style and he is new to the game.Untrod Tripod wrote:Post 146(Equinox) This is rather flimsy, but you said you might go along with Lemon on his defense (which is the n00b defense) of Chi
1. The "think carefully now" comment gives me chills because I saw scum do this in another game... I'll still answer the question, though. Look at chihuahua0's behavior. He's practically begging to be lynched. It's an easy wagon, regardless of chihuahua0's actual alignment; it's a great chance for scum buddies to get town points if chihuahua0 is their partner, and if chihuahua0 is not scum, scum can very easily push the wagon until lynch or until deadline when it's imperative we lynch someone.Untrod Tripod wrote:1. In reference to posts 143 and 148, WHY is chi a ridiculously easy lynch? Think carefully now...
2. This isn't a question, but I wanted to mention that I *love* THE THEORY BOX that you used in post 159.
3. In post 178, you said that ACM has only made one case against one player, and then you said that it was "a very easy target". Who exactly is he supposed to make a case against? Do you find it more pro-town if someone tries to accuse people who are not easy targets? Is it more pro-town to throw accusations around all willy-nilly? Wouldn't it only be a scumtell if he was making a case against someone who seems fairly pro-town?
3. AClockworkMelon has said very little, and his jumping on chihuahua0 felt like getting on an easy target. I realize that sometimes easy targets are scum, but I didn't like the way he did it. No, I'm not going to immediately write someone off as town if they pursue difficult targets; that's going into WIFOM. It's just more suspicious if it's an easy target. I don't know what you mean by "throwing accusations around all willy-nilly," but that's better than the other end of the spectrum. No, I'm not going to immediately write someone off as scum if they go after a pro-town target. I'll just be very, very interested.
tl;dr for #3: It's not what they do. It's how.
You're asking a few theory questions. Theory discussion should be kept to a minimum.
That... was so incredibly scummy.chihuahua0 wrote:I'm withdrawing my vote. Right now, I don't know who might be scum, but I'll just keep this vote until I'm sureor to use as a hammer.
Regarding the answers to my questions: chihuahua0, why are you afraid that people will think you are scummy?
Also, if you don't know who is scum, maybe you think someone is. Give me your top two suspects, please. Post #207 does not count, sorry.-
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As a townie, you should have no fears of getting lynched. This lack of fear leads to a bit more recklessness, which makes you look more genuine, which in turn makes it less likely that you get lynched as a townie. The fear of being suspicious just makes you suspicious. Keep this in mind.chihuahua0 wrote:@Equinox: Because if people repeatly lynch me and I am revealed as town, I will be branded as a noob. I am determineted to stay with this site, and I am going to develop a metagame.
Thanks for the opinions, chihuahua0 and Tasky.
Tasky, the rest of the quote didn't state a solid opinion either, so I just quoted the first part. I appreciate you restating your stances, though; that helps.
AClockworkMelon, the criticism for being too active is unfounded. Activity is good. Unless you're flooding games with fluff posts, I don't see why you should keep your activity level down.
My criticism of you taking easy targets was not your attacks on Tasky -- that's fine by me -- but it was your vote on chihuahua0. Seeing chihuahua0's recent posts has changed my opinion somewhat on the "jumping on an easy target" thing, though.-
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Are you going to defend yourself, then?chihuahua0 wrote:@Quoi: Good argument, even though you're attacking me.
By the way, you forgot to unvote, or the mod messed up the vote count.
Quoi may have made a convincing argument, but it's not a good one if it's wrong. If you're town, youknowit's wrong. Don't just throw your hands up in the air like this.
Unless Quoi was right?
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Need to look more closely at Lemon, nopointinactingup, possibly Tasky, and youngminii. Unvote is for the same reason as post 221. My reading will have to wait until tomorrow, though.-
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What is the point of this exercise?Tasky wrote:make up a sample post (very approximative, you can also explain what would be in it), which could be written by chihuahua0 and which satisfies following conditions:
a. It would make you vote for him if he posted it.
b. If another post was even slightly less scummy than that post, you would not vote chihuahua0 for it.-
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Are you going to defend yourself, then?chihuahua0 wrote:@Quoi: Good argument, even though you're attacking me.
By the way, you forgot to unvote, or the mod messed up the vote count.
Quoi may have made a convincing argument, but it's not a good one if it's wrong. If you're town, youknowit's wrong. Don't just throw your hands up in the air like this.
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You could have just said that and not asked us to make a coaching sample post for scum to use...
I'm giving chihuahua0 the newbie pass only for as long as my tolerance permits. chihuahua0 is not unlynchable. At some point, either he's a huge liability or newbie scum. I'm giving him a huge leeway because some of the stuff he says feels more newbie to me than scummy -- which just points to null.-
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Vote: Tasky
Your constant insistence on this is horrible. You are asking us to make a post that would coach scum,perhaps you, on how to not draw suspicion. This is, at best, a very anti-town request. I am not going to comply, and I will ask others to do the same.
We know what the limit of our tolerance is. If chihuahua0 reaches that limit, you will know. Until then, since this is not a newbie game, I have no obligation to tell you how someone needs to play.-
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chihuahua0 has apparently reached the limit of your tolerance. My limit is none of your business, scum.Tasky wrote:but you see the problem with chihuahua0, do you?
he has done nothing but make scummy posts and we are supposed to let him go because he is a noob... I want to know where the limit to this madness is...
Drop it. Compliance with your request is anti-town, and with the exception of Lemon, everyone else who defended chihuahua0 has already put their foot down. Find some other way to push for a chihuahua0 lynch. It's clear your method is not productive.-
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Your request was, initially, addressed to whomever was defending chihuahua0. After I confronted you, you narrowed it down to nopointinactingup and Lemon. Now that you've seen more antagonism, you claim that you made the request specifically for Lemon. None of this adds up. If it was your intention to directly address it to Lemon from the start, you should have said so; lack of specificity just means anyone can answer it.
Oh, were you not pushing for a chihuahua0 lynch? I thought the purpose of the request was to determine how far chihuahua0 needed to go before we could lynch him.
No, chihuahua0 has not yet reached my limit. Otherwise, my vote would be on him and not on you.
I'm open to new ways of playing this game. Your idea was just of more benefit to the mafia than to the town, and your insistence led me to believe your request was made to benefit you in particular. I do not appreciate your accusation that we are being close-minded. I do not see any evidence of that going on here; however, if you have a problem with the way we're playing this game, take it to Mafia Discussion.-
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I see you did ask for input from Lemon and nopointinactingup the first time you asked. My apologies for missing that.
What, you had a different reason for determining this limit?Tasky wrote:and how is [determining limit for lynch] = [pushing for lynch]?
Initially, I did not vote him because of the newbie pass. When he didn't actually defend himself following Quoi's case, though, I was close to lynching him out of pure irritation. His replacing out has changed things.Tasky wrote:and why aren't you voting him? the noob pass?
Yeah, we don't have the benefit of body language and voice tone here, so techniques in face-to-face mafia won't work so well.-
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Tasky wrote:PS: I'll beV/LA 15.07 - 31.07Unvote
I'm a bit lost at the moment, so I'll set a vote down once I get my thoughts about this game collected again. Too many replacements at once... @_@-
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OMG WALLS. I'm already slacking off here... now I'm even less willing to go through stuff. ;A;
redtail896 brought up an interesting point about Shattered Viewpoint. I thought he wasn't done reading, though...? (I still have to look through youngminii's posts anyway. Might as well do it now while we wait and see about Tasky's V/LA situation.)
It was very poor timing, but I think it's more of a null tell than a scum tell. For all we know, he may be telling the truth. However, if he can't post every 2-3 days, we're better off replacing him.Chevre wrote:His "return" from V/LA is also very suspicious.-
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Uh, Ifinallylooked at youngminii's posts. I am ashamed of myself. I put off reading 15 posts for two weeks because I was too lazy.
SO, MOVING ON.
youngminii has alotof fluff posts for someone with such a short posting history. I'd argue the first post with game-related content is this one, as the one where s/he slightly defends Lemon's use of "h8" is still not quite there. Anyway, youngminii went after the easiest target on the block -- no surprises here, as I think most of the town did as well -- but it's funny to see s/he use an IGMEOY instead of voting.
In RQS, youngminii claims to "let other people post most of the content" in early game. Um... setting up to lurk, much?
Hmm... RetroAudio's and youngminii's attacks on chihuahua0 seem to parallel each other. I would say I'd look at this, but I know I won't. Worthy of note, anyway.
youngminii continues to bring up WIFOM attacks against chihuahua0, which can be summed up as: "You're acting scummy. You might be a newb acting scummy, or you might be scum acting scummy." Argh. That was also the basis of the newbie defense, by the way. I don't know what to think of this, really.
The only other suspect youngminii left was Tasky. The case was just a one-liner. Not very helpful.
I'm going to continue with Shattered Viewpoint.
First four posts out of seven are not game-related, mostly "I'll post later"-type stuff.
Here, the focus is on chihuahua0 and Tasky. I wonder why he's waffling with the read on chihuahua0; first is the "seems really newbie" and then the "could be Tasky's partner." O_o
Okay, that post was really a gooey mess. Summary coming up next.-
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Do you have a problem with this wagon, Quoi?Quoi wrote:I think we'd all do well to remember that the person with the most votes is lynched at deadline. So unless Tasky's wagon brilliantly falls apart at the last moment, he's dead.
Thanks for the reminder, though.-
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Do you have any other suspects? Why aren't you voting, in general?Chevre wrote:Equinox: I don't find him scummy enough for a vote. It's highly unlikely that he will get scummier before deadline, though, so I will likely vote him before deadline.-
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No, it wasn't obvious. You've barely said anything in any of your posts. If you don't find anyone scummy enough,Chevre wrote:Equinox: I don't find anyone scummy enough to vote. I thought that would be obvious.find someone. We've had 15 pages of content, and if everyone else has had the chance to post reads, you should as well. Or maybe everyone else is just too townie to accuse, eh, scum?
If Tasky is your top suspect, how is it that he is your top suspect but "not scummy enough" for a vote?-
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Untrod Tripod, Untrod Tripod, what do you see?
I see an OMGUS looking at me!
Unvote, Vote: Chevre
Classic.
If Tasky is not scummy enough to vote, then who is? Where did this suspicion of AClockworkMelon and chihuahua0 come from? Has this changed with chihuahua0's replacement? Are your accusations against Equinox and Untrod Tripod based on evidence? Are you jumping on Espeonage just because of that vote? What about his predecessor?-
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You're kidding me, aren't you? You cannot seriously be this blatant. Don't play the victim, Chevre, when it's clear you simply lashed out at the two players attacking you at the time.
Tasky is your top suspect. You are not voting him because he is not suspicious enough to vote. NO, I DON'T GET IT.
That's someshoddyevidence right there. I'm not defending Tasky. That's pretty clear. I'm attacking you because, right now, you're orders of magnitude scummier.
Don't you dare accuse me of trying to prevent majority whenyou aren't even voting. Your lack of a vote -- face it -- has no reason behind it whatsoever.-
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Were you not paying attention, Chevre? I was pushing for the Tasky wagon until I realized your slot hadn't done anything. Add some pressure from Untrod Tripod and Espeonage, and what we have here is someone much scummier than Tasky.
You keep saying over and over that you want Tasky lynched, but you are not even volunteering. That makes me think you're the scum, not Tasky.
People, lynch Chevre already. Or we can let her flail for 2 more days for our entertainment.-
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This is the best and funniest implementation of OMGUS I have ever seen...
Chevre, let's get this straight.
Tasky is your top suspect, but he isn't "suspicious enough" to vote. You have other suspects, but since your top suspect has yet to receive the honor of your vote, you aren't going to vote them either. You're not going to explain why you refuse to vote, except that they just aren't quite there yet. Tasky is your top suspect, but you have "never said [you] wanted to lynch Tasky."
We're two days from the deadline. This is no time to be waffling on your so-called "top suspect." Either Tasky is scum or he isn't. Now which is it?
Oh, and before you accuse me of twisting your words, you'd better find evidence. These are your words, not mine.-
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I'm sure you're already there. You just can't vote yourself.Chevre wrote:I'm not sure, but I'll know it when I get there.
Heh. The pear and the GIF were worth the wait.Untrod Tripod wrote:I was writing a longish post, Equinox
Unfortunately for us impatient people, it's 7 to lynch.Espeonage wrote:Have we hit lynch yet?-
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Content includes suspicions, questions, votes, pressure, and whatever else it takes to find scum. You barely met that requirement with your "suspicion" of Tasky earlier, but your absolute refusal to vote does not justify your tunneling of Tasky at all. Quite contradictory, really...
I wouldn't give up hope yet about my vote on you, Chevre. I have been known to unvote. Just try not to dig the hole any deeper.-
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