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OH DAMN
unvote, vote: Amish
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FFFF I DIDN'T MEAN TO CLAIM DAMMIT I HATE MY LIFEShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Best RVS ever.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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This is a good wagon.Espeonage wrote:Unvote, Vote: Parama
Go, go, go competing wagonunvote, vote:for not posting yet,ParamaConcernedFoS: I Am Innocent and Porochazfor the sameShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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1. CSTICEninja wrote: Can everyone let me know their timezone? This is good to know because some people live on the other side of the world and post at strange times, and we could be waiting for you during lylo or something.
I also would like to see how much mafia experience you have.
Finally, how much general activity can we expect from you?
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And in RVS obviously lynches will go through. Yeah, no. OMGUS is fun though.Concerned wrote:(and puting Espeonage on L-2 seems a tad dicey.)ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Concerned wrote:+2 Timezone, I've played 4 newbie games and one other mini on this site as well as numerous games on another site (although I fully acknowledge the huge difference in MS games), as for my activity it's usually quite high, but it dips occasionally when I lose interest in a game; never to the point where I need to be replaced however.
Anyhoo:Vote : Parama
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Mitsuru, your argument is fundamentally flawed. Staying in RVS can only hurt the town because we won't be generating any real info that way.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Did you just FoS me for ICE's post? xDShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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If you're town you can be 100% honest in every post without even trying and you really wouldn't have to think about what you're saying because as an honest townie nothing you say can really be scummy. But a statement like the one you made here is not OK at all.Mitsuru Kirijo wrote:Phew. This is intense stuff. I'll need to think more carefully about what I say.
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There's plenty of info to go off of, it's sufficient for at least a wagon at this point. You're generating nice scumlinks - I agree that if we lynch Mitsuru and he flips scum then you're a great place to start for tomorrow.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I'm not changing my vote. Mitsuru cracked under pressure, and as soon as a wagon formed on him he flaked. It's not a policy lynch - we caught scum and they ducked out as soon as they'd been caught. SSBF voting before even reading the thread based on what ICE has said is also totally scumlinkish.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Concerned, did you ever stop to think that MAYBE I had no motive for screwing around except for because it's hilarious and fun?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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So your reason is incredibly WIFOM-y. Nice to know.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Mod: I'm going to be V/LA from 6/6 to 6/9.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I don't play the "meta" game. Espe should know this, considering he's played with me before. [ONGOING GAME]
Alamaster is playing aggressive, and people want to lynch him for that? *sigh*
No I'm not back, I have a small amount of time to be posting so I am.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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unvote, vote: easjo
Suspicions list in 200 + lack of content throughout the entire thread = scum
Concerned, I don't understand the AGM case because
1. I don't really see it myself
2. I'm lazy AND I've been V/LA
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Easjo is still more obvious scum but this isn't a bad wagon considering easjo isn't on it. And I love the way Espe is clinging to meta (my least favorite thing ever) as his defense. Needs more claiming ITT.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Already answered the question.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Claim. Or die.
I don't want to here a goddamn meta argument. You should know my stance on meta.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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No. He needs to defend his ACTIONS, not his PLAYSTYLE.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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unvote, vote: Espeonage
I'm not dealing with this. I don't care if I hammered a PR.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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He's not going to defend himself. He just said it himself.DedicatedScribe wrote:Why not just be a bit more patient?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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That's not defending your actions. I didn't want to hear about your meta. I wanted you to explain what you were doing in this thread. Not what you do every game. There's a definite difference.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I don't care if you're dead, still don't believe the claim. If you REALLY cared you would have claimed when I asked you to.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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By the way SSBF he's hammered. Lynched. Dead.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I have no regrets. I asked Espe to claim here. He obviously saw the post, as he responded to my post after it. And he wasn't interested in defending himself. I don't care that I hammered Espeonage. If a hammer after a warning on a lynch a supported and on a player who wasn't interested in defending himself makes me scum, sure go ahead and lynch me. People jumping on my wagon are the opportunists. I'm sure there are 2 scum on the wagon already.
I have no reason to defend my actions, because several people here wouldn't have done any differently. And obviously I wasn't the only one who wanted to lynch Espe anyways - he had 6 votes on him prior to mine. You all act like the entire lynch is my fault.
Anyways, now let's move on to the people who have hopped on my wagon like the opportunistic scum they are.
I didn't waste a lynch. Espe was a good lynch. He just happened to have a PR. It's not like a vig is a shiningly town role - shooting wrong hurts town more than it helps them. TBH, we'd probably be at 9 players right now if Espe had been kept alive. Also, the lack of a kill last night means we didn't lose a lynch at all.I Am Innocent wrote:
You sir, wasted a lynch. I'd expect this in the newbie games, not here.Parama wrote:I don't care if you're dead, still don't believe the claim. If you REALLY cared you would have claimed when I asked you to.
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I asked him to, and he posted twice after the request, neither with a claim, though one was a response to the post I made following the post where I asked for a claim. So I allowed him to claim and he didn't. It's not my fault that he didn't claim.easjo682 wrote:did you even allow espeon to claim parama?
Oh, the wonderful sound of hypocrisy.Concerned wrote:I call you out as opportunistic scum.
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1. More people did give thoughts - I gave mine
2. Espe obviously wasn't going to claim - I gave him more than enough time.
Porochaz wrote:I wouldn't go that far as to call him scum but it is a good starting point for today.vote parama
YAY! More scum! You don't think I'm scum, but you vote me anyways? No, you should be voting who you think is scum. You're just jumping on an opportunistic wagon. And Concerned doesn't seem to mention this in his future posts, even though it's blatantly obvious.Concerned wrote:I call you out as opportunistic scum.
>excuse to come back and vote me if it makes the wagon bigger and pushes further towards a mislynchDedicatedScribe wrote: I really see what you're saying; there is NO excuse for what Parama did, and I will vote for that player soon, but...he's v/la till tomorrow. What today?
1. I don't care about the request of one person, for starters. I did in fact give my own thoughts on the wagon, so you can't be yelling at me about it, as well. And I told Espe to claim, and I gave him a chance to do it. He didn't, so he died.Concerned wrote:(1) Denying me the information I wanted for day 2 is just scummy. I can't see parama-town, willfully ignoring me when I think I made a reasonable request, why would town-parama do that to me when I specifically asked for more information why why why why why.
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(2) The lack of a night kill when parama was VLA just adds to my suspicious, as I feel the most likely reason for the lack of a NK is scum negligence.
2. Lol, I left around noon on Sunday, and night started over 2 days prior to that. Plus, obviously there's only one scum in the game and only one scum to submit a kill. No, that's just plain retarded. Now you're just looking for whatever reasons you can to suspect me. Incredible reaching with this point.
Dammit, so someone already told Concerned why his second point is completely wrong. Poro gets teh town points.Porochaz wrote:Thats fair enough, although I think its worth noting that there is more than one person in a scum group and whilst a lack of night kill by scum is a possibility there are others.
I gave him an opportunity to claim. I asked him to claim. He posted twice following that post, and obviously he had read everything up to when he posted considering one of those posts was a response to another of my posts.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Vote: Parama
I also initially had a town read on Parama, but I'm sorry, but the hammer was extremely scummy. Without giving Espeonage the oppertunity to claim, Parama managed to kill off a town power role. Sure Espenoage was acting scummy, but it's not like he deserved to die without having the oppertunity to claim.
Also, sorry to push this campaign here but claims need to be coming at L-2, and with a request to claim. Yes I am at L-2, no I will not be claiming unless everyone in the town wants me to. That's how claims should always be done - no risk of quickhammer (haha) and it makes sure everyone has a part in the claiming.
Espeonage was talking about his meta, not his actions. I don't want to hear that meta crap. I asked him to explain his actions in thread, not irrelevant meta crap that nobody cares about, and he didn't do that either. And yes the hammer was intentional. I gave a warning. Is an intentional hammer worse than an accidental one these days? That makes no sense.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:On top of that, when Parama hammered Espeonage, he said he wasn't dealing with Espenoage's play and he didn't care if he hammered a Power Role. The hammer was intentional, making it even more scummy.
So you want someone to unvote but you don't want to do it yourself? If youConcerned wrote:Eh, I know I'm all fire and brimstone at this point, but do you mind unvoting?
I'm not comfortable putting someone at L-2 with three (probable) scum still in game.
Especially before he gets a chance to respond.
I know I could unvote but I would rather not .reallywanted someone to unvote then you'd do it yourself.
And that's all I care to say. I wasn't stupid to hammer Espeonage, I have no need to defend it, and I don't regret it at all. And the people jumping on my case because of it are quite obviously scummier than me.Vote: Concernedis the best place for my vote at the moment, because I'm almost certain he's scum based on D2 alone.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I don't care.ICEninja wrote:I absolutely hated Parama's response to the pressure against him.
Also I'm not stupid. I scumhunt better than most people though they refuse to admit it.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I can scumhunt, PRs are just there to make life easier. Plus I already gave my stance on vigs. I'd be happy to have the role but as it is I'm not particularly sad that we lost a vig, no. If it was an investigation or protective role, I probably wouldn't be saying this though.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
So you don't care that we lost a town power role?Parama wrote:I don't care that I hammered Espeonage.
I asked him for a claim, and he didn't give one. I've already said this.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
After hammering a town power role which the town decided as a whole to let him claim, you have a ton of defending to do.Parama wrote:I have no reason to defend my actions, because several people here wouldn't have done any differently.
I said L-2 and with the entire town asking for a claim. L-2 is quite a lot of pressure btw, 5 votes on you.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
L-2 isn't pushing as much pressure as L-1. Therefore, it is less likely for a person to claim. In that case, AlmasterGM should have claimed at L-2.Parama wrote:Also, sorry to push this campaign here but claims need to be coming at L-2, and with a request to claim. Yes I am at L-2, no I will not be claiming unless everyone in the town wants me to. That's how claims should always be done - no risk of quickhammer (haha) and it makes sure everyone has a part in the claiming.
You can't hammer someone at L-2. durrrrSuper Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Also, quick hammers still do happen at L-2. You can be at L-2 now and four minutes later, bam! You're dead. Quick hammer is always a possibility and I'm surprise you dismissed the possibility of it aside from at L-1.
6 people intentionally jumped on the lynch before me. They were all ready for a lynch, I can assume. What makes my vote any different from theirs?Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
Yes when it's done when we have a lot of time. Intentional hammers when we have a lot of time left is a well-known scum tactic, so there was absolutely no excuse for your hammer.Parama wrote:Is an intentional hammer worse than an accidental one these days?
And yes I agree that easjo is a good lynch, but I want Concerned's responses to my post before I even think about changing my vote.
Also SSBF, lurking is not a scumtell but active lurking is, and you said it yourself that easjo is active lurking. So uh durrrr again.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Actually, I did, and he didn't. Are you even paying attention?I Am Innocent wrote:
But you didn't wait for him TO CLAIM. Big difference.Parama wrote:I have no regrets. I asked Espe to claim.
First: No, I don't, and I'm not going to.I Am Innocent wrote:
First sentence above: Yes you do need to defend your actions. And I believe you are wrong that "several people here wouldn't have done any differently."Parama wrote:I have no reason to defend my actions, because several people here wouldn't have done any differently. And obviously I wasn't the only one who wanted to lynch Espe anyways - he had 6 votes on him prior to mine. You all act like the entire lynch is my fault.
Second sentence above: You are forgetting that order matters. The lynching vote, in this case the 7th vote, needs to be handled much more carefully than the first 6 votes. Just because the first 6 votes were there did not mean they wanted Espeonage lynched WITHOUT A CHANCE TO CLAIM!
Third sentence above: The entire lynch without a claim is entirelyyour fault. You are the one who did it, nobody else, stop trying to blame others.
Second: ZOMG I voted him didn't I. So did 6 other people. You're wrong about this.
Third: Wow, so the 6 other people who voted Espe take no blame at all for the lynch. IAI = VI?
We technically didn't lose any chances to hit scum, actually. Yesterday we were allowed 2 mislynches, and today we're still allowed 2 mislynches. I'm going to back to my stance that vig isn't as important of a PR for town. I mean, I myself have played against a vig who shot down 2 townies in a row in a mini and lost a ML for the town (the 2nd ML led to endgame).I Am Innocent wrote:
You did waste a lynch. Because if Espenoage had a chance to claim, votes most likely would have been removed, and we would have selected another target. Another target = chance to hit scum.Parama wrote:
I didn't waste a lynch. Espe was a good lynch. He just happened to have a PR. It's not like a vig is a shiningly town role - shooting wrong hurts town more than it helps them. TBH, we'd probably be at 9 players right now if Espe had been kept alive. Also, the lack of a kill last night means we didn't lose a lynch at all.I Am Innocent wrote:
You sir, wasted a lynch. I'd expect this in the newbie games, not here.Parama wrote:I don't care if you're dead, still don't believe the claim. If you REALLY cared you would have claimed when I asked you to.
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Espe was not a good lynch for that matter.
At L-1 someone can quickhammer before a claim.I Am Innocent wrote:
Very anti town. More people will be claiming, since L-2 will be easier to get to then L-1. Plus the freedom to hammer at L-1 will cause people to be much more careful to push people to L-1, making it overall less pressure on players.Parama wrote:Also, sorry to push this campaign here but claims need to be coming at L-2, and with a request to claim. Yes I am at L-2, no I will not be claiming unless everyone in the town wants me to. That's how claims should always be done - no risk of quickhammer (haha) and it makes sure everyone has a part in the claiming.
Still allows for a quickhammerI Am Innocent wrote:Campaign should be that claims come at L-1 by players who are not already on the wagon and willing to hammer. And the hammer does not drop until a claim comes, unless a deadline is coming.
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I'm just telling people why they're wrong.DedicatedScribe wrote:Parama, you do realize you ARE defending yourself atm?
Stubborn, I am. Idiot, I am not.DedicatedScribe wrote:But seriously, trying to convince a stubborn idiot that he did something wrong is more useless than trying to convince scum to hammer himself.
Like easjo and like SSBF, and Concerned still needs to respond to my earlier post.DedicatedScribe wrote:We need to focus on scum, not just antitown.
Well, I'm unlynchable, so you'll have to get the scum to NK me. Which probably isn't going to happen nowICEninja wrote:I hate the fact that this is true. I insist right now that if I have anything to do with it I won't allow Parama to be with us in a lylo situation, but we don't need to worry about that quite yet.
Funnily enough, SSBF and Concerned were both on the wagon.ICEninja wrote:There was scum on the Espeonage miswagon. It might have been Parama, but it might have been others. We need to find who was most opportunistic on the wagon.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay I like Concerned's response.
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DS's responses to IAI's accusation of SSBF/DS scumteam is terrible.
>dismisses it as WIFOM
>tries to redirect wagon away from SSBF to easjo ---> proves IAI's point, SSBF and DS are buddying up pretty obviously
The problem is, easjo is still a top scum pick from me. So I have to agree with him on the easjo wagon.
Though SSBF's reaction to the DS buddy seems genuine. But I've learned well about SSBF's scum play from marathon day, yes <_<
Easjo needs to DO SOMETHING.vote: easjo. I've found him scummy for a while and he DOES need the pressure IMO.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Assuming 3 scum like most minis have.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Hi.
The easjo wagon is pretty chill.
SSBF should have claimed at L-2.
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FoS: Scumbuddy
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^the best tell
Chevre, assuming 3 scum, then right now with 11 alive we can lynch wrong 2 times before we get to a LyLo scenario (4:3, 3:2, 2:1). So uh... yeah. It's just statistics.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Chevre, I didn't say "assuming 3 scum " earlier because that's the assumption everyone is supposed to make <_<ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay I'm rereading through the thread and tbh I think I care narrow down the pool of potential scum to 4 players:
SSBF
IAI
Concerned
easjo
With the 3 bolded being the most likely. I've found a nice link between IAI and SSBF, a similar one between easjo and SSBF, easjo is my scummiest read still, and SSBF is a great second. IAI is more in there because of a gut feel and because of the links - if SSBF flips town I'd be shocked and some of this might be a little less valid. Concerned's kinda dancing around the same thing I'm having issues with IAI and easjo for so he goes on the list as less scummy.
What I'm talking about are the interactions around the time of the Almaster wagon. I see: IAI chainsaw attacking Almaster, easjo bandwagoning on to this same wagon while giving no real contribution to anything at all, and Concerned magically changing his read on Almaster (stuff that he used to vote him in the first place becomes "not lynch-worthy" later on.)
Note: I think Chevre is being stupid about my assumption but I can see a possibility of it being a scumtell - still, it's less likely than my team here. Though SSBF's post to Chevre immediately after she replaced in... eugh, something seems off about that. And the FoS: Scumbuddy, Vote: Townie is obv. of note. Maybe put her 5th on the list.
More notes from after I typed up this first part:
Concerned gives easjo a free pass on lazy reads because this isn't a newbie game? What?
Chevre may be playing "FoS: Scumbuddy, Vote: Townie" game in her initial analysis post. This is also assuming SSBF flips scum though. Becomes invalid in the scenario of a town flip.
Easjo backs out of giving a read on Espe by saying "wait for a claim first"
Yeah that SSBF speculation is definitely lynchable.
IAI's D2 opening post is hilarious. 1. makes silly assumption that everyone plays like him 2. votes me without much elaboration - other people are going to build a case for him, he expects. They do.
SSBF's infamous self-contradiction post + vote on me, yay.
Concerned won't unvote even though he wants others to unvote. Do it yourself if you really care.
How does Concerned have meta on Town-Parama? And why is that relevant?
IAI completely antagonizes me in his reponse to my day-start post. Doesn't even bother to look at other options.
Oh look IAI is trying to link DS to SSBF in case SSBF gets lynched (which is looking more likely at the time he does this)
Hmm, I said I liked Concerned's response earlier? Maybe it's because he wants to take the credit for the lynch in case I end up being a ML - but IAI lead the wagon, not him. Still I agree with past-me, the response looks town.
Hmm, I noticed that I DID say "assuming 3 scum" about the setup BEFORE Chevre brought up the issue. Chevre seems to have intentionally ignored this.
IAI puts SSBF to L-1 and continues to try to link him to ICE. This is the point where lynch looks inevitable anyways.
Yep likin' my theory lots. Maybe IAI and Concerned are interchangeable in the top 3. I'mma be pissed if I haven't nailed at least 2 scum on this list, though I'm pretty sure all 3 should be here.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Almaster if it makes you feel any better my vote's still on easjo even though he's flaked and it will not be moving unless: A. It's needed to hammer SSBF or B. A replacement can convince me they're town.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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May I?
Or should I give Sando a week to catch up and write analysis? <_<ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Mod why did you do that. I wanted to fakehammer for reactions but nooo
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^actually I did forget rule 9 when I first posted but I left it because I wanted reactions then the mod came and ruined it, oh wellShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I'd vote Sando but he hasn't posted much yet and I need to see more content from him before I decide whether or no easjo was scum or just lazy. Or both.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Well, my previous case still stands (near the end of D2) and his 522 and 523 seem like scum leaving their options open ("I don't want to lynhc DS, but meh AtE gets me so maybe we SHOULD lynch him")
I don't care about other people's reads on him. As soon as someone says they have a town read on a scum, at least one other person will almost immediately agree, and at least one person agreeing with the town read on the scum is their scumbuddy.
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I am definitely not a VI. Please get your facts straight.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay sorry for not posting much but nothing has changed about Sando's slot,unvote, vote: Sandoplease kill it, easjo was terrible and Sando isn't doing any better.
Gut reads = a feeling that's impossible to explainSando wrote:So you have gut reads on 3 people that you can't justify, and therefore by process of elimination, these 3-4 people are scummy? Not exactly helpful.
And Concerned did justify his reads as much as possible.
So uh yeah you're really overreacting to his post here.
And where's the content from you? You made one or two long posts after you replaced in and since then you've only been reacting to other people's opinions on your slot. I mean yeah this game is kinda dead anyways but it doesn't justify reaction-only play.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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So what exactly changed, then?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I barely even care about this game anymore, note that I was V/LA for the past week.
I'm just going to sheep a wagon I like because all my reads are probably wrong and stuff. Meh.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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It's highly possible that all 3 scum are on the Llama wagon. Who knows? .-.
But I still think Sando is the best lynch. He's on the Llama wagon soShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I vote who I want to lynch.
I want to lynch Sando.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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