Mini 944- Town Suav├® - TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK!!!!! (over)

[SpyreX]

So, I get the "I may need you to replace into this game" business. So, I decide to take a read.

Then I look and by page ohh... 4? I knew deep in my heart I was replacing duck.

So, lets get this out of the way:

I'm not duck. I'm unable to answer why duck lost his mind. I am, however, town. If you're gonna push on me for Sins of the Father well go for it - but I guarantee that the first "ohh yea this AND duck" is gonna be a scum move.

I will give you this though:

duckduck96 (5) CoheedCambria09, Nachomamma8, muzzz, ConfidAnon, Nikanor
muzzz (3) DTMaster, Parama, Locke Lamora
Not Voting: Dramonic, Kenman, duckduck96, Nobody Special

See that last naughty group. That not voting one? Yea. There's a scum there. For sure. There may even be two - namely, Ken / NS.

You'll get more details from me when my buddy leaves from his vacation but I'll be around at least some.

[SpyreX]

Sorry, long weekend. I'll be back around with more details hopefully tomorrow.

[SpyreX]

Actually this game has a decent shot.

Nik's town.
Kenman is... town! Fairly confident too.
NS is an engima and while he wouldn't be a bad lynch due to the gutbelly of very little in his posts he sure doesn't win when compared to

Yep

You guessed it

Vote: Dramonic

Not doing anything? Check.
Putting the snipe

on Nik

for not also calling out McZ for also not doing anything? Check.

Thats a mighty fine pair of checks.

[SpyreX]

Dont you ironic quote me guy. I never, nor would I, claim that was a "case".

However, its more than plenty to put the vote here happily.

Line two?

Nik, who is p much town (or super balls of steel scum) is the one you've opted to push against for calling you out on a very clear and solid rationale.

Your reasoning? He didn't also call out who you replaced for for the same activity. Which, realistically, means you see its bad.

[SpyreX]

While this dirty segue is tech my REAL WORDS would like you to MAKE TALKING to them happen.

Love,

SpyreX

[SpyreX]

Lets go back a step.

dramonic, please post something of use before I am forced to kill you.

i didnt read you making similar menace to my predecessor Nik. Do you feel I am a threat?

Thats the exchange. The marked one. The 3rd post Dramonic has made in this game.

A defense rebuke which, if Dramonic is town, is saying "You find me a threat to your survival (as scum)."

Which, under the BEST of circumstances would still be telling. In this case, it gets even better: I'd give Nik's hider claim an 80-20% chance of being a town maneuver (If I really have to go into the detail why claiming hider as scum is a crazy endeavor I will but I'd rather not have to type out that much theory).

So, we're not looking at a simple "You're doing this because you're scum" - we're looking at a "You, someone who has a pretty solid chance of being town, are doing this because you are scum not because I haven't done anything."

If THIS wasn't enough - it is also punctuated by the "why didn't you come after my predecessor who was ALSO doing nothing." Which, by nature of being said, means that the fact Nik went after this is actually something you'd find. And called this, again, scummy.

And then went after me for twisting his words - when, in fact, its not a function of the words its a function of the simplest fact he's been doing nothing - until called out on it.

So, the condensed version:

Not doing anything? Check.
Putting the snipe on Nik for not also calling out McZ for also not doing anything? Check.

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Additionally, I'll give you a hint: I'm not getting lynched today. Its not happening. If it DOES, its going to take a major scum-push to do (which is fine in and of itself).

I've still got plenty of other tricks that can stay in the bag. In the meantime, really look at this. Especially, and I'll give one last quote:

Also, you can't say I'm active lurking, I'm not being lurky.

Go ahead and look at the combined isos. Then read that. Then vote for Dram.

[SpyreX]

Parama is lookin good. DTM is lookin real fine. Nik is lookin pretty swank still too. Thats almost enough for a good ol fashioned lockdown.

Muzz I could go either way on. That case statement still makes me twitch. However, I'm not sure enough to feed the dichotomy yet.

That said:

Not really no. I can be seen as a threat by a person weither he's town, scum or third party. If I wanted to call Nik scum I'd have done it. The fact you created paranoid subonscious ends to my phrase is not exactly my fault.

Why, why, why ever would anyone ever refer to someone they thought was

on their side

in any way shape or form a "threat" in this scenario?

I'm giving you reason on that, I had completely forgot he claimed hider. Under that precept I agree he's town. Does that actually change anything to the state of the game?
Not really no.

Actually, it does. Quite a bit. See that whole threat business. If it appears as though you are behaving as if you are both not on the same side and Nik is p much town, well.

point A is steadily losing value, point B is way overinflated

Haha, no.

Point A doesn't lose value when your activity is a function of being called out on it (hint: please say it isn't).

Point B is only overinflated if the explanation is "I wasn't paying attention to the gamestate (but not lurking)"

Which, sure, go for it.

humour is not really your thing is it.

I enjoy being pushed, you're pushing me, you think you got scum.
Aren't we all happy?

Nah. Humor isn't my thing. Never has been.

When I was young I had an accident. They had to build me from leftover parts and various pieces of animal meat. Unfortunately, there was no funny bone.

It is a constant struggle to live through and my heart is torn to pieces by the callous way you've shamed me.

Or, perhaps, that isn't "humorous". In fact, when considering the spike in activity based on you being called out for lurking saying that you weren't lurking is...

Wait for it...

Wait...

Scummy!

Huzzah!

[SpyreX]

You realize that this makes 50% assuming a normal distribution of the range you've given, right?

I'm saddened by the lack of promised catch-up posts by Confid.
Coheed is active lurking.
Locke is being his usual flaky self, unfortunately. Confused

30% for distribution? I'm about a 10%er myself when I give figures like that. So, its pretty damn confident.

You prefer I keep posting fluff?
Ask a question, get an answer. Build an offense, receive a defense. If I didn't answer the points brought up against me it'd be remarkably anti-town. therefore, I don't believe responding to you is scummy.

No. Its not 20 questions. Its mafia. My interaction shouldn't be a shield from doing other things. So, do them.

Responding to me isn't scummy. Being in the position where you get called out for doing nothing was the scummy part.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex: what's looking good about Parama?

The list of player views. There's one specifically that makes me think he's town (or scum WITH muzz but I'm not sold on that). I'll go into detail if need be but.

You gave a confidence interval of 80-20%. >_> For it to be that large, I would assume ~99.9% confidence anyway.

I meant 80/20 town/scum. Woooo

I'm a bit ambivalent about the current situation. On one hand there's the fact that people with anti-town attitudes should be lynched sooner rather than later.

On the other hand, there's the fact that Spy will be significantly harder to lynch if he survives today.

Well that's a good thing since I am a POWERFUL WIZARD and town and all but... what?

Alright . . . this isn't gonna be a very meaty post, but I don't like how duckduckscum's replacement immediately attacks dramonic, who, if I remember correctly, already had some suspicion on.

Seems like scum replacing in and going after the easy target to try and dig themselves out of a hole. No need to change my vote here.

Show it. Show this bevy of votes and suspicion.

The only thing that REALLY makes me nervous about this is I have a hard, hard time seeing Con-scum do this if Dramonic is scum.

Ohhhh decisions

[SpyreX]

@SpySpy
I invoke the law of DGB: Obviously someone is in need of Town Cred! Does that help your thoughts?

While I

stalk

worship

strive to emulate some of the majesty that is DGB that one is missing me. Care to explain more?

Yo Dram:

Lets put down the swords for a moment. What do you think about Anon's catchup snipe?

[SpyreX]

I feel warm feelings about Locke and Parama from this exchange.

I may, MAY, even be wrong about Dram.

I'd love the half of the game playing tiddlywinks to chime in though.

[SpyreX]

Nikanor: 27

Perhaps the busiest person in this game. Do you guys know my pet theory? No? Well, I'll tell you: scum tend to either lurk profusely OR post so damned much that eyeballs bleed. Guess what? I think Nik is making my eyeballs bleed. Lots of posts, lots of great content, but....still, that red flag is waay up for me.

Parama: 33

Another wall-o-text badguy. Except, this one is reddemed slightly because of actual (gasp!) content AND logic. I like this. (Have I told you the corollary to my Pet Theory? No? Well, here goes: I'm generally wrong about walls-o-text.)

Those two need to be right here, next to each other. Because, there's something fishy afoot.

@SpyreX: Generally, do you believe lynching all lurkers is a good idea? Why or why not?

If I had some bullets I'd be shooting lurkers out of the gate every time.

Lynching? Well, thats tougher and based on about a million factors soo this is a non-question.

[SpyreX]

He's got some scum reads, to be fair.

However, they don't make sense in his own framework.

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Ohh nobody.

Bolded part A: I suppose you're the Perfect Mafia Player, who never makes mistakes? Sheesh, I even admiited, right there, for all to see, that I'm usually wrong. Doesn't stop it from raising a red flag for me.

Bolded part B: Way to dismiss the question. I think it's a valid question. Do you also doubt the existence of the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

A: You setup a tell in your framework (Posting too damn much). You then say Nik is posting a lot, with a lot of great content but red flag. You THEN PROCEED TO NOT COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION BASED ON YOUR DATA BY PANAMA WHO IN FACT YOU SAY DOES THE SAME THINGS AND HAS MORE POSTS.

B: Its not a valid question because each game is its own precious flower and thus each lynch has its own set of criteria. On the base level, like I said, I'd shoot them all every time. The lynch, however, is a different beast.

Welp Dram maybe I be wrong up ins. We'll see

Why are you making your connection to Spy so obvious? I think Spy is doing a decent job replacing someone so scummy. It's just so sad that you're giving him away like this.

You take it back mr. TAKE IT BACK

Unvote, Vote: Nobody Special

[SpyreX]

Suave I offered a cross replacement to help your blues out too.

So, we'll see how that goes.

(Is it bad that I get paranoid when something is THAT BAD that its town, every time these days)

[SpyreX]

GOTTEN HIMEL

I beat the drum on Dram and get nothin. This this fast.

I'm gonna lose my mind, I can tell.

[SpyreX]

Ohh I'm running with it I just think I'm getting too paranoid in my old age.

And today was just one of those days IRL that makes me want to punch a kitten

[SpyreX]

I wont derail too much but lets just say running your own business has its ups and its downs. Its been a down stretch.

[SpyreX]

Ohh god I'm starting to see the scum-500 start. NS turned on the NoS but Confid is pulling out hyperboosters.

WHO WILL WIN

[SpyreX]

duckduck96/ SpyreX post 66 seriously? You cut out where he states being used to 2 scums and go for the trying to understand roles better? post 70 scum alert, scum alert!! post 173 enter spryex who does the I'm not duck speech. Does this mean becuase you replaced that the spot you took is less suspicious? post 186 Really after everything going on your attacking lurkers? Seriously?

I'm not duck. Duck lost his marbles and if I hadn't replaced into that spot I

probably would have lynched the hell out of him.

Its not a simple function of "lurkers" look at that non voting category when we were sitting where we were. Then look at details of what Dram was doing.

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Too much heat. There's a spread there and I was more concerned with finding the scum within the smallest and easiest to peek at grouping - the vultures.

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That whole meta debacle isn't my cup of tea so I sure didn't delve into it.

Of course the natural conclusion is Locke is scum with ME so of course I'm not buying it.

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Why have I?

Because I'm awesome.
Because it was a goose chase.
Because, despite the fact I would have lynched him, I am town.

[SpyreX]

I'm not voting for dramonic now sheesh. But, considering my position in this these are some strange questions that don't do a lot fer me.

[SpyreX]

Give content. Or die.

Your call.

[SpyreX]

I'm ready for blood, fyi.

I wouldn't cry one bit if Anon took a dive for this. At all. But, these things have a way of working themselves out sooo NS is far juicier with a plump middle.

[SpyreX]

I'm sad this is taking so long.

While I would be a-ok with confid, I think there's some real interesting business to be parsed from an NS wagon. The real good stuff.

Promise.

[SpyreX]

You're damn right the people want to keep me alive.

Make him bleed. BLOOD.

[SpyreX]

Why ok with me? What's the case?
(This sounds a little like setting up for a mislynch.)

Who said anything about a case? When one makes no ripples because no stones are cast, well.

[SpyreX]

Can we PLLEEEASE lynch NS already? My lord.

[SpyreX]

Patience.

And, the death of NS.

Believe

[SpyreX]

SUPER HI-C TIP: GUESS WHO IS POSTING ON SITE AND NOT IN HERE

JUST GUESS

[SpyreX]

Pssst Farside he was the one I was talking about who jumped in after I mentioned said not playing and opted to do nothing.

Further he knew who I was talking about.

Psssst Lynch him kthx

[SpyreX]

Damnit I'm already voting him.

[SpyreX]

Parama do you have the good stuff confirming Nik being town? Or?

Because, you forgot

Theory SpyreX: I made Confid eat the dead.

And if you two can be ruled out well hot doggy. Quadrupley true if Nik hid behind someone else thats not us.

[SpyreX]

Fair enough - and I agree about Nik being town BUT I was hoping for the true deliciousness.

That said back on the horse:

Vote: muzz

I could also easily be persuaded to go Dramonic.

I could also probably be persuaded to give NEW AND EXCITING reasons (hint: NS's interactions with the two of them) for these choices.

[SpyreX]

Nik I'd seriously consider hiding more (especially if I'm still alive) and just crumbing it a bit.

[SpyreX]

Whats all the crazy SK talk up in the hibbitys. I'm fully 100% claiming one of those kills good sir and we KNOW I'm town up ins soo.

Dram is fine too.

[SpyreX]

Woah, WOAH.

I didn't claim vig. Or not claim vig. I claimed the kill. Sheesh.

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That said, Farside you need to lay out your whole role entirely because that result doesn't make sense.

And it would be awesomeo if the mod could weigh in on NaR.

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Yea but I never said what and I sure don't want there to be some lockin on what I am unless I say it.

That said,

Unvote, Vote: Fate

While farsides claim doesn't make direct sense pulling that stunt with a dead scum sure as hell doesn't make sense for scum.

I'll roll

[SpyreX]

Fair enough.

I'm down with this.

[SpyreX]

Well that didn't go as one hoped.

[SpyreX]

Actually I'm confused on all levels now.

Time to come clean: I'm a CPR Doc, not a vig.

I hit Dram because either he was town and Nik was going to be behind him and take a shot OR because Nik would be dead and I'd kill Dram too.

After watching Farside be wrong I figured that would NOT be a kill choice buttt

[SpyreX]

I thought for sure Dram would take a bullet if Nik was town.

Of course, the fact that Dram died and Nik didn't makes me unhappy because I think I know where this is going.

[SpyreX]

Nik I swear to everything holy.

[SpyreX]

Because, despite my issues with dram, Anon was a better shot?

And, last night made more sense to try and protect dram with killing him being a bonus.

[SpyreX]

While I'm not stoked with Nik and am toying with putting das cpr to the test there I would not be opposed in the slightest to either of those.

[SpyreX]

I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you'd kill a cop that just powerbombed a bad investigation?

[SpyreX]

@Spy: you ignored the questions I asked you just before I went V/LA. Why?

Also, I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out that a confirmed-insane cop is just as good as a regular one. So why are you surprised that Farside is dead?

I could also probably be persuaded to give NEW AND EXCITING reasons (hint: NS's interactions with the two of them) for these choices.

If I have to detail I will, but I'd also like others to go back and read it and see if I'm losing my mind.

What were these other "questions"?

And, yea I'm not very smart. I mean, afterall, its totally like she is even from the grave obviously insane and there wasn't things like drivers or framers OR god forbid she was naive.

And, really, its not like she pulled one of those awesome "gambits" that got flack and then "told the truth" which "got a town lynched" that would have been a fairly easy mislynch if she was kept alive.

I'm really not sure what I think about DTM not saying anything about Nik's "gambit".

I do like this though:

Unvote, Vote: muzz

[SpyreX]

In THEORY we should be nolynching today I think but nah I'm cool on that.

[SpyreX]

I forgot keyblade was in this game. True story.

[SpyreX]

I'm leaning on you two being town DESPITE certain events so this doesn't bother me all that much.

[SpyreX]

Finding towns is still as awesome if not awesomer than finding scums.

AKA -> Muzz appears to go after the easiest wagons, rather then connecting the dots.

THIS.

I get the itch that 12 isn't flaking as much as just avoiding.

[SpyreX]

I thought Ken was town too but well I powerbombed Anon and thought Dram was scum too soo I'm a little off.

I still think its muzz and even though I want to choke you a little I still think you're town AND panama feels that way too. DTM by elimination? I guess?

[SpyreX]

I -probably- wont be killing 12 today.

Probably. I'm really not sure who I am going to try and give the deathstick to.

[SpyreX]

I've said my reasons even if I haven't drug them all out - the interaction between you and NS. And, of course, the play or lack thereof.

I claimed the kill because, well, I like claimin kills. And it does tell us things based on how the next cycle plays out (like, for example, the fact I really doubt there is a roleblocker).

And a hider that announces where he is hiding isn't going to draw a kill?

[SpyreX]

Because *gasp* nobody wants to man up and the other scum doesn't want to bus.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD NOW

[SpyreX]

Accusing me of "uping my claim"? check.
Saying I'm somehow mafia then going "wellll SK" check.
Being lynched? not check.

Sigh.

[SpyreX]

Fine with me.

Happy scumday Niksy

[SpyreX]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD FATE

[SpyreX]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything?

[SpyreX]

....

Considering I CPR'd DTM color me MORE than a little confused.

[SpyreX]

What?

I mean, what?

:sigh:

I was contemplating 3 choices that night: CPR DTM, Parama, or myself in the greatest of silliness.

All were right, yet all were wrong apparently.

[SpyreX]

So an apparently insane cop and a cpr doc that can't kill the GF.

FFFFFF

[SpyreX]

No I think what happened was:

5 left (night)
I attempt to kill GF (failed)
Scum kill me (success)
4 alive / 2 scum. Game.

[SpyreX]

The cop was insane, right? You didn't have any special influence on that ohh scummy mc scum?

[SpyreX]

Which I DID!

[SpyreX]

Were you also a standard godfather?

[SpyreX]

Double negative is a positive soo

[SpyreX]

Or, OR if you do dont give an insane cop AND LET ME DRAW MY BLOOD DAMNIT

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Tease

[SpyreX]

Keep in mind I like the idea of CPR Doc a lot.

Its more the insane cop + not being able to kill 1/3rd of the bad guys that gets me.