Mini 928 - Bloodlust Mafia Remix - Over!

[LlamaFluff]

Hi, im new here.

Have only a few pages read, so a summary would be appreciated

[LlamaFluff]

Ok, ive read this game completely instead of skimmed in the last couple seconds of night and think I have it on lockdown, some players more then others of course.

Primarily sandman who is scum

Vote Sandman

by the way

also likely scum is JVN, this one is harder to prove though except for a few weeker tells and gut.
Fifi is 100% beyond a doubt town (argueable from the standpoint that there is obviously no vig so his role exists and he hasnt been countered)

[LlamaFluff]

FoS

anyone who wants to lynch fifi

Read the mod post about setup. Only way fifi is lying about being the town cult leader (more widely known as masonizer) is that there is a vig and despite having three possible kills a night, there has only been one.

Basically yeah, he is telling the truth. I would expect some town JKs (primarily new players) to think he is a good target, and could understand scum having to play a WIFOM game the JK scenario. I would think the only way he is lying is if the JK has been hitting, scum have a RB and vig is NK immune.

Case after classes today

[LlamaFluff]

sandman has really been floating along quite a bit and not taking hard stances on cases, just more of general "dont like" playstyle. His first suspicion post lays this out quite well

Haylen is playing "anti-town" for things which include self-voting (interestingly enough he didnt rail on fifi for doing this, I actually had Sandman-Haylen as scum partners early on). Then he goes back and agrees with other points of hers, leaving this read open to go either way if needed.

Suave he says is tunneling on Zombie so is scum. IIRC this is mostly for lurking, uselessness.

bv for lurking, but for some reason sandman putting pressure on bv for lurking is fine but suave doing it is scummy.

Cyanide is erratic, he seems to come closest to making a strong read here for stuff regarding CS. This gets abandoned though.

Fifi he starts making a bit of a case against, but again abandons it for saying "logic is just flawed"

This ENTIRE post of suspicions is just beating around the bush on the big name targets, while taking a suckout on a Suave wagon for going for lurkers.

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Later after the fifi claim, sandman tries to rally behind some disbelief of arch over the role. He never comes straight out and calls for the lynch, but the entire post is still expressing negative sentaments towards fifi post claim. There is no point to do that if you dont want someone lynched.

He also does an overkill vote on the DS wagon. Im interested to see what he goes for today since he never has expanded on the extremely early case on Suave. Seriously, go iso him and tell me he has done any scumhunting.

Lets see if we cant get him to L-1 before he even checks in here.

[LlamaFluff]

Thats not

I didnt say lynch him, just run him up.

[LlamaFluff]

Wow this game is slow... time to kick it up a notch

@sandman - Why did you *try* to hammer yesterday so fast?
@TW - Who is scum?
@JVW - Why arent you voting?
@Fitz - How do you verify fifi?
@bob - Why suave over sandman?
@fifi - Who are your cleareds?
@concerned - What happened to your lurker hunt?

[LlamaFluff]

About Suave....

MrSuave has had a fixation with voting McZombie, which outlasted the RVS stage and despite the fact that she posted only once.

It's almost as if MrSuave is playing a game on his own in which the RVS stage lasts forever. I'm happy with my vote here for now as he is doing nothing.

Suave he says is tunneling on Zombie so is scum

. IIRC this is mostly for lurking, uselessness.

bold=bold to me. Even if you are trying to argue that Suave is active lurking, you are heavily implying that tunneling is a huge part of your suspicion.

No hard line stances because it was Day 1 and I find it easier to analyse the worthiness of other peoples arguments. Perhaps I would've had more of a chance on Day 2 if darkstrike hadn't self-hammered so early on.

"It was day one, im not useful day one". Also... if you are only analysing worthiness, then you arent giving any worthy arguements of your own, so by your own logic you are scum. Or I could just argue IIOA. Or I could argue that if everyone took this stance we would never lynch.

VERY nice attempt to blame the D2 lynch on DS self-hammering when you added your vote after though.

Fifi - I state that while I don't think her play has been helpful, I don't think her play is scummy.

Major pet peeve here. You were talking about him in a way that did not suggest that you thought he was town, and is therefore subtely pushing a case on him. There is no reason to point out "interesting" or "unhelpful" play of someone you dont think is scum.

What do you mean by a big name target? Everyone's equal, everyone deserved equal suspicion at that point.

All you suspicions were popular suspicions. You never tried to do something that was unpopular.

It never crossed my mind to lynch fifi that day, unless someone had countered. However, that didn't necessarily mean I had to believe her right off. I think every claim should be treated with caution and I still don't know why she came out that early.

Yeah.... no. I think ive effectively proven that without a vig claim (which I would be willing to lynch on site) fifi is town. Sucks for scum that a once lynchable player is confirmed town doesnt it?

Regarding the vote on darkstrike, I should've counted up first, but it didn't even cross my mind that after about a page of Day 2, we'd be even remotely close to a lynch. If I'd known, I would've realised darkstrike had already hammered and wouldn't've added my vote on top of that.

Why would you ever vote without realizing how many votes a player has. The ONLY way a lynch should be accidental is hidden voting mechanichs, or a simul post. This was neither.

And trying to start a bandwagon and get me to l-1 before I come on is nothing short of scummy. What's your justification for that? Pretty much setting me up for a hammer

Why is it scummy? I absolutely want you lynched today and think I will get it done. If I was unlucky enough to get a vig role you wouldnt even be here right now.

[LlamaFluff]

@ LF: I'm not voting because I feel at close-to-endgame we're in a slightly precarious position. Can I ask your feelings on Concerned, please?

I go back and forth on him a bit. The post you quoted hit a few scum buzz words "overdefensive" mainly. When I go through and iso him though, I get a slight town read off him, despite a few posts that seem really bad. Some of this might be how much he has been riding the player I replaced.

@Lamma - What you mean by cleareds? Portuguese, sorry.

Who has you recruited? You are basically a cop so anyone you recruited is cleared. With nine alive, having two people confirmed town is huge. With that we may even be able to get another and catch scum with massclaim.

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okay, well I was trying not to get myslef killed for sure tonight, but whatever. I'm incharge of the jail which makes me the JK; I RB fifi last night, and I RB CS on N-1. so there you have it. BAM

Yeah, you claimed pretty obviously in the post fitz was pushing you on.

Im not countering.

[LlamaFluff]

Still not digging the fifi lynch. If there is no vig claim (which with the JK targets out there is a SUPER low chance of one existing) he is town.

Fifi is town. Would you guys rather me fakeclaim cop and say he is town in order to get this point accross?

[LlamaFluff]

And LlamaFluff os totally distancing from my wagon after i flip town.

Fos

*sigh*

Im trying to get the point accross that it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to be scum unless...

vig tried to kill CS night one AND
vig tried to kill NK-immune SK night two AND
SK tried to kill CS or fifi each night

People are ignoring the overwhelming evidence that you are town, and if I have to just repete it again and again I will if thats the only way to get the point accross.

[LlamaFluff]

Why does this game go plad every time im asleep or in class then is doing nothing at times when im here?

[LlamaFluff]

I don't think anyone is ignoring anything. People are suspicious/leery of fifi but do you see any votes on him?

well I made a post regarding this earlier today but for some reason it didnt actually get posted. Lets try it again

Keeping him in slight suspicion instead of as town is VERY scummy. One of the most dangerous things to let happen as town is for people to get cleared. I know when playing as scum keeping as many people as "lynchable" in my notes is one of biggest things I try to do during the day, getting rid of unlynchables at night.

There are many more scum motivations for being 'leery' of fifi.

Also you say there are "many" situations where fifi can be scum. Lets hear some (also they need to make sense). Remember that to make fifi scum there needs to be a vig in the game.

[LlamaFluff]

If there is no counterclaim for a JK...then the only way Suave's isn't legitimate is if there is a Vig.

So you think fifi is lying and suave isnt?

If suave gets to L-1 im going to freak out a bit. Although I would expect at least two anti-town on his wagon right now, more likely three.

[LlamaFluff]

We should massclaim.

If there is no vig Suave and Fifi both become confirmed town, and I dont think there is a vig.

[LlamaFluff]

Ouch. Massclaim this early. And quickly agreed with by almighty bob..

Fos LLama

You do realize if we massclaim and no vig shows up we have 9 alive, 2 cleared and four anti-town alive. No vig says even a random lynch should be anti-town lynch.

im not passing up a chance to clear two players

[LlamaFluff]

@Llamafluff....what are your thoughts on the Suave claim and fifi’s ensuing actions? Did the other possibilities I brought up make sense to you?

Suave is town from the claim again because there isnt a vig. It also makes sense since sandscum has been attacking suave-town and now JVN-scum is joining in the mix to try and get the JK taken down.

I see the merits of a mass claim. However, I think we need to be wary of the fact that someone could claim vig (town or scum) and if they do, we have a 1 in 3 chance of lynching scum and a 2 in 3 chance lynching a town power role again. It seems like a better gamble for scum than it does for town. Is this really the best way?

Its like this: No vig, we have two confirmed town. Vig claim (we likely can figure out some scum if it happens) but we have 1/3 scum (PRs) and 3/6 scum (VTs). I really like that situation.

[LlamaFluff]

Until everyone

has had

a chance to chime in...how can you be so sure there isn't a Vig?

You dont see it?

I will tell you after massclaim finishes but with be blown away if there is a vig

[LlamaFluff]

Until everyone

has had

a chance to chime in...how can you be so sure there isn't a Vig?

You dont see it?

I will tell you after massclaim finishes but with be blown away if there is a vig

What's the point of this then, if you can tell us now? Why wait?

You're basing this whole mass claim on the assumption that there will be no vig claim

Not going to stop scum from claiming vig if they want to, as there are a few arguements they can make to pull the claim off.

[LlamaFluff]

I actually have an objection to TW (or replacement thereof) going last. I would prefer he goes before concerned.

[LlamaFluff]

Why? You think getting replaced was a scum ploy to get to claim last? That seems a little unlikely to me.

But I suppose it's possible, and moving him to before Concerned would eliminate said plan without benefiting any scum.

I just dont want TW/replacement to claim last, and to claim before Concerned

[LlamaFluff]

Im vanilla town

Replacement is here!

Anything I should know before I undergo my reread?

We are massclaiming, your turn

[LlamaFluff]

Im pretty sure I can claim not-vig for JVN for him, but his turn then concerned

[LlamaFluff]

Thats true (also include yourself)... but there is also at LEAST one scum in this list. Also its three mafia one SK, so its not all one group you are looking for.

Mr.Suave (3+1): havingfitz, almightybob, The1fifi (+sandman from day one which was continued D3 without a vote)

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Also for all the vig stuff, no one could of possibly been vig but *maybe* TW. Just about everyone else would have ended up in a dead Suave.

I guarentee the Suave wagon is scum driven though, especially given all the evidence that he was town due to lack of vig post claim. Why does he have any votes right now for that matter?

[LlamaFluff]

Im going to go out on a limb and say that its...

Mafia: Sandman, JVN, Concerned
SK: Fitz

That said I still want the sandman lynch, mostly due to how it should isolate a second scum.

Want to wagon Sandman Suave?

[LlamaFluff]

Llama - why have you eliminated TedramAnon from the suspect pool?
Look at the contributions. 7 posts from ConfidAnon (none of which were hugely useful), only 2 from TeWuicah. That doesn't suggest lurkerscum to you? Especially fiven the amount that's come up, there's been far more to talk about than 9 posts' worth over 20 pages.

Process of elim kinda. Ive outlined why sandman is scum, im pretty sure on JVN and Concerned works perfectly as a partner.

It seems textbook scum move here for scum coming from concerned. Starts pushing me, but he keeps his partner as a second suspect just as a failsafe for if I argue him to a lynch instead of me (spoiler, this will happen).

Will keep up the case on Sandman when I have a bit more time to

[LlamaFluff]

Check these two votecounts out

Darkstrike_11 (7): MrSuave, Civil Scum,

TehWuicah, almightybob,

The1fifi, Darkstrike_11,

Mr. Sandman (voted post hammer)

Mr.Suave (3):

havingfitz, almightybob,

The1fifi,

Mr. Sandman (in spirit)

Im debating revising my list a bit to add AMB as SK over fitz given that with Sandman he has been on both wagons (that almost everone on has flipped or proven town). Sandman has been much sneakier on the wagons though with the post vote and his play on Suave.

[LlamaFluff]

You continue to miss the point that its a wagon on town who right now is looking to me like was intended to be an easy mislynch.

Also you didnt unvote him after the claim either. In fact you STILL are voting him.

[LlamaFluff]

You continue to miss the point that its a wagon on town who right now is looking to me like was intended to be an easy mislynch.

Also you didnt unvote him after the claim either. In fact you STILL are voting him.

The "easy mislynch" label is easy to apply in hindsight. I suppose everyone who voted against fifi is scum too?

Its a good lable though. We actually HAVE to have at least one anti-town on that wagon, and if we are going to play the "from my perspective" game, there has to be at least two. I wouldnt be surprised to find scum on the fifi wagon as well, again it was a town wagon that got a claim. With a third of this game being anti-town from the start, I would expect a few to of gotten on that wagon.

If a player plays scummily, I vote for them. Suave was playing scummily. I voted for him.
Hell, I could easily say that what you're doing now is trying to paint Townies as scum for what was a perfectly valid conclusion to make at the time.

Do you think the entire Suave wagon is/was town?

I haven't bothered unvoting him because it makes precisely 0 difference whether I do or not. Suave will not be lynched today, so who gives a crap whether I unvote or just switch my vote when I actually want to? It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. He is in no danger of being lynched.

So unvote him then. There is no point to have your vote on that wagon if you dont want him lynched.

Also this

If you look at the timing, I placed my vote against Suave

before

he claimed, when he looked seriously scummy. I don't see how that can really count against me.

Not counterclaiming Suave's JK claim, but not really buying it either. Nobody forgets they're a PR. Plus julien raises a good point - why protect someone you think is scum on the very first night? When there was a fullclaim from fifi and a softclaim plus protection request from Haylen?

You are trying to make it look like you were not a part of the Suave wagon given the timing of his claim. You actually ignored the entire lack of vig arguement and kept pushing the Suave wagon after his claim.

[LlamaFluff]

I didn't say much during the Vig argument because I was hoping that, if we didn't mention it too much, a stupid scum might claim Vig during the massclaim. It was a long shot I'll admit, but excessive explicit statements that there was clearly no Vig ruled that opportunity out anyway.

So then you immediately saw that no one could possibly be the vig?

[LlamaFluff]

Check these two votecounts out

Darkstrike_11 (7): MrSuave, Civil Scum,

TehWuicah, almightybob,

The1fifi, Darkstrike_11,

Mr. Sandman (voted post hammer)

Mr.Suave (3):

havingfitz, almightybob,

The1fifi,

Mr. Sandman (in spirit)

Im debating revising my list a bit to add AMB as SK over fitz given that with Sandman he has been on both wagons (that almost everone on has flipped or proven town). Sandman has been much sneakier on the wagons though with the post vote and his play on Suave.

Llama...when was the Mr Suave VC made?

Pre-claim

In all honesty...I was not sold on Suave’s claim until there was no counter and no Vig. So I can't fault others for the same reluctance at moving their vote (or having it there in the first place).

When did you realize there was no vig?

I get a town feel from AMB which leaves TW’s vote as the only scum on the DS lynch. I have not looked at Sandman that closely yet but I find it hard to believe scum (knowing they would be contributing to a mislynch) would jump on a mislynch wagon after the hammer had fallen. Though I would not rule him out for that...it’s just more a town move than scum IMO.

Sandmans post looked genuinely surprised to me when he was told that was hammer +1. Also remember scum is able to SK hunt in this game though, and SK is able to scum hunt.

Oh also if you want to add "sandman has done zero scumhunting since *argueably* his vote of DS" you can. He has spent the entrie day defending against me pushing him instead of going back to a suave case early (which would of made sense) or even pushing a new case.

As for the SK...that would put him in the group I have just described as having a town feel to me (AMB, Concerned, Sandman). I have not played in a SK game before so I really don’t know what I’m looking for since for the most part (IMO) I would assume they would generally play like town...despite having a conflicting win condition. Which of these three it could be IDK. More reading required but I’m happy to focus on the players I at least have a strong suspicion of.

You look for who is reading as scum. They are probably the SK. That or you hope that somehow scum figured out who the SK is through a RB and use that to get them lynched.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama:
Cyanide's play was awful, anti-town even when looked at in the best of lights. I don't think we should forget that. Llama has contributed more worthily but I think he has been misrepping, not only myself, but also others, such as Post 504, where he tries to cast almightybob in a negative light, with a feeble reason. I get the impression that llama would be happy for anyone to get lynched but him.

You need to work on reading me a bit hun.

I want you lynched far an away then anyone else. JVN is acceptable, but quite a bit inferior. No one else I really want to lynch, I have my suspicions of who is more likely to be town and scum then others, but at the same time really dont want outside suspects lynched.

Also how are you coming to me SK conclusion over me mafia? Are you mafia SK hunting?

[LlamaFluff]

If it's just me you want lynched, why just me? You say you're pretty convinced on jvw as well but now he's quite a bit inferior, and yet you haven't expanded on your reasons when prompted (post 528)

But JVN isnt my top pick for a lynch, pushing his wagon would distract from me pushing you. Im not going to do that. If it came to JNV-other at deadline my vote would be showing up there though. I just dont want to lynch him over you.

I think you're SK because I actually happen to agree with your views on two I think are mafia - jvw and concerned. However, the way cyanide was playing was nothing but anti-town, and your whole case against me was built on using things out of context to cast me in a bad light. This, added to the fact that I can't seem to see any links between you and any of the other players - no slight defenses of you and no real defenses of anyone from you.

So OMGUS and what my predicessor has done makes you think im SK, but at the same time you are trying to get behind my secondary suspect wagons?

Lets try this - If you had option of lynching mafia or SK, which would you lynch? (This is actually kind of interesting theory)

[LlamaFluff]

No, I was summarising his actions that far, as I did with all the others in that post...

So what WAS the suave case? You were voting him for a long time and I never found a significant case in any of your posts. Also why didnt you open D3 with a Suave vote?

"It was day one, im not useful day one". Also... if you are only analysing worthiness, then you arent giving any worthy arguements of your own, so by your own logic you are scum. Or I could just argue IIOA. Or I could argue that if everyone took this stance we would never lynch.

I disagree with you on the first point – analysing worthiness, seeing what motives might be behind arguments, who seems to be plucking things out of thin air as reasons to vote, who is misrepping things in my opinion. In other words, using all the techniques which are helpful to find scum.
Second point, I agree with you on, it wouldn't work if everyone did it. But everyone doesn't do it, therefore it allows me to.

By only analysing worthiness, you are avoiding scumhunting on anything but how good other players cases look. Experienced scum can make very convincing cases, just go look at anyone who has ever been nominated for a scummy and you will find some. Also there are players who are just REALLY bad at making cases, no matter what their alignment. This is a cop-out strategy for scum hunting since it is critiquing others scum hunting instead of actually doing it yourself.

Also if everyone did it means it wouldnt work, it probably means its a bad idea.

VERY nice attempt to blame the D2 lynch on DS self-hammering when you added your vote after though.

Yes, I don't get your point. Everyone in the game can see that the DS lynch happened because DS self-hammered, not because of anything I did. I add my vote after in ignorance to the voting situation, I admit that.

You were complaining about the speed of D2, despite the fact that if DS wasnt being a massive douche, you would of ended it just as fast. The lynch would of happened because of something you did. This attitude you are taking is making it sound like you are in no way to blame for the DS lynch, when you voted him post hammer thinking it was pre-hammer.

All you suspicions were popular suspicions. You never tried to do something that was unpopular.

Fair enough. Suave stood out most for me, so I stood by Suave.

Cool then. Point stands of you only getting on easy wagons.

Why is it scummy? I absolutely want you lynched today and think I will get it done. If I was unlucky enough to get a vig role you wouldnt even be here right now.

Because you wanted me up there before I got a chance to defend myself. It looks like you wanted to encourage momentum so that I'd be an easier target for a hammer. What benefit did you see in me defending myself at l-1 as opposed to having one vote on me?

More votes is more information and for the most part, better reads on players. When things happen fast, these tells on others and the person under pressure are even more predominant due to people making more instinctual moves instead of methodical ones.

~Side note

DO NOT RESPOND IN BOLD. It makes it very difficult for me to re-respond

~~Double side note

I have big midterms in difficult classes tuesday and thursday of next week. Will post very little during that time.

[LlamaFluff]

Why should I have opened day 3 by voting for him? There had been a nightkill and a lynch in between. Time to reassess on the basis of new information.

You havent ever really made a case on anyone else being scummy, expect maybe me for "stuff my predicessor did". You never found suave scummy D3 more likely because you havent done anything today. Just about every post you have made D3 has been defending against me and saying my case against you is bad (hint - no one ever thinks the case against them is good)

2. I take your point even if I don't agree with it all. I think that kind of analysis has its merits and that it can play a useful role in determining alignments and helping to build cases.

So you are going to scumhunt then? Im not saying analysis is worthless, but scumhunting is just as, if not more important.

3. I thought the speed was ridiculous and it caught me by surprise. You say yourself, I voted him post hammer thinking it was pre hammer. I wouldn't have voted him if I'd known I was going to hammer

Yes. I get that. What I keep saying is that you earlier said

No hard line stances because it was Day 1 and I find it easier to analyse the worthiness of other peoples arguments.

Perhaps I would've had more of a chance on Day 2 if darkstrike hadn't self-hammered so early on

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The bolded sounds like you are completely pawning off blame of the wagon to DS. We know he hammered, you still voted after regardless. If for whatever reason a vote didnt format right your vote would of lynched him. Do you get what I am saying here or do I need to find a new approach?

4. No, suave seemed scummiest, so I voted for suave. Has nothing to do with it being an easy wagon. It's to do with who you think is scummiest.

You can try to agrue that but there was little if any instances of you showing that you really wanted him lynched. Also you did pile on the DS wagon, lets not forget that one already. And yes, you were on the wagon.

5. I agree that instinctual moves are probably more revealing. However, the fact you want to bring that out at l-1 is wrong, given that it opens me up to be quick hammered more easily

If you are quicklynched as scum, we probably have our SK. If you are quicklynched as town, SK should kill whoever hammered you. (hint SK should scumhunt tonight, especially if we mislynch)

[LlamaFluff]

So deadline is coming up, people should start voting so stuff actually happens.

[LlamaFluff]

@fitz - Im guessing extension came from having a replacement. I normally reset close deadlines to 5-7 days from when a replacement joined when I mod. TW=dram, so thats just a VC error

Also you should vote.

@Neto - You need to claim your targets to see if we have any more confirmed town.

[LlamaFluff]

Well if you ARE a double voter it would be a good time to claim it... more likely though is that I forgot you were actually voting.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama: He's either really into-it scum or into-it townie. There's a slight contradiction in the way he votes Sandman for not taking hard stances, and then admits that he goes back and forth on Sandman.

I dont think ive been going back and forth on sandman here. I have been trying to get him lynched since my second post in the game.

Sandman has picked things up a bit.

He is just defending against me and "summarizing what others have done"

[LlamaFluff]

@AMB - Unless you have to put up three, concerned isnt on my list really. The gap between second and third on my list is huge.

[LlamaFluff]

I've set out who I find scummy and why.

Well your iso 6 and your last "case" post are eerily similar, and you have already claimed that iso-6 was more of just summarizing things then anything else.

I think the reasoning behind not setting out your reasons on JVW is also weak - because 'it'll distract people from voting for sandman'. In what way is that helpful to the town? There are four scum out there, regardless of whether you find me the scummiest or not

If you try and chase two rabbits at once they will both get away. JVN is not going to just go away in suspicion if I get killed since there are people backing that wagon. There is no reason to concentrate efforts on a good, yet suboptimal event when the best one isnt yet shut down. Given the most recent psuedo-VC, its not only a viable, but the most likely scenario.

it's probably more useful to lynch scum

Possibly. If we lynch mafia we have a hard time winning without help from SK (assuming both kills go through). If we lynch SK, its a 4:3 game tomorrow assuming Suave doesnt stop a kill.

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but I can't put my finger on it

Indeed! While logically Sandman is a good lynch, I would like to hold off until at least a few more questions get answered:

Bob, Llama and Fitz: Out of you three, one is scum and likely more. Which of the other two would each of you lynch over the other, given no other choice?

Do I get to know Sandmans flip first or not?

[LlamaFluff]

@dramonic and Concerned: I don't see much value in holding off. Unless Suave gets his thumb out his ass (and does anyone

seriously

see that happening?), Sandman is the only person that 5 people are willing to vote for. Therefore he is the only person we can lynch today.

This is a bit of an overstatement. Opinions change over the course of the day. I still am happy with this lynch though, as its a 4/6 shot of hitting any anti-town right now, and I see no way sandman is one of the town here. I think he is scum as SK would of claimed and been bargining for their life. I know that is what I would have been doing there.

Partner one is JVN, the weak distancing going on right now when he has been calling me scum this whole time proves that. Second partner... not as sure. Maybe Concerned mostly off PoE since I dont think AMB or Dram works will with SM-JVN pairing.

Right now though we just need to take this game to night unless someone has a serious objection. Deadline is coming up so now if the time to bring them up

[LlamaFluff]

JVN should hammer now, deadline is impending (and we all know the self-preservation vote is coming)

Fun fact - at almost age 22 ive only seen snow once

[LlamaFluff]

Fun fact - I live in Michigan. Snow is my life. If you don't know what it is, it's the state in the USA that's shaped like a mitten. You want to know why? ITS COLD UP HERE SO EVEN THE STATE NEEDS WINTER CLOTHING D:


Nonsensical Mod Rant brought to you by 12:00 AM. That time when you're not tired enough to sleep, but too tired to make sense.

Im not really from "the plains of africa", hour away from san fransisco. Still no snow

Banter brought to you by a college student getting frustrated trying to cram for structural analysis (frames, influence loading and complex girders) midterm and needing to take a break

[LlamaFluff]

Yay I was right that if we let fitz alone he would go and kill JVW for us.

@fitz/neto - Neither of you should have taken an action. Failed action was an auto-loss.

[LlamaFluff]

As a side note, sorry about the modding. It was a bit erratic at times, and votecounts weren't given that often during those final hours :P. It was a fun game to read, though, and thanks almightybob for the wonderful setup!

Only thing I could have suggested was to give me more time at night. I figured out that fitz was the SK after about 24 hours of replacing in and reading, but wasnt able to get that information to my partners. That was very frustrating to have information I was not sure that my partners knew and couldnt get it to them.

[LlamaFluff]

Yay I was right that if we let fitz alone he would go and kill JVW for us.

@fitz/neto - Neither of you should have taken an action. Failed action was an auto-loss.

How exactly did you have me pegged as the SK? I had no choice for my night actions...I had to kill every night. I suspected the three scum were within the LlamaFluff, AMB, Dramonic, and JVW group. Almost switched to LF after the April Fool's revelation.

You were SK because scum apparently tried to kill you N1 for whatever reason. It failed so you had to be NK-immune.

Also if this gets ran again SK should not be compulsive.