Mini 922 - Mafia in Mo Town [Game Over]

[Nikanor]

vote nik. Shit, I'm not nik's buddy. I'd better do what DRK says.

D: Lynch all liars!

Vote: Lowell.

...Wait. I'm technically not Nik's buddy. Does that mean I have to self-vote? Clarification, please!

Hey Reck, why do you keep saying 'THE' sk? It makes you sound like you know there's an sk. Please stop, you are making me nervous. I don't like sks. They hurt me when they are stabbing me at night (zomgphallicimagery).

I've played with kyle, Neto, Reck, Lowell, DRK, and hito! That's half the game! I also know AlmasterGM from that newbie game where he won as scum versus DTM and tubby.

[Nikanor]

I SEE AN ERROR WITH THE VOTE COUNT, MOD!

Thanks. Would be more helpful for me if you were more specific next time, though. ~Kitty

[Nikanor]

YOU STILL HAVEN'T FIXED IT, MOD!

>_< ~Kitty

[Nikanor]

Fine, I'll tell you:

[1] Not Voting - Netopalis)

Thank you. ~KittyMo

[Nikanor]

Finally, I'd like to point out the interesting little vote exchange between Alamaster and Kyle. Both are voting for the other, which is interesting at this stage in the game, especially as they are the only ones voting for each other. This could either be read as an OMGUS or as an intentional distancing. Again, an extremely flimsy lead.

Me and Lowell, too.

[Nikanor]

I want to hear more from Netopalis. Where art thou, O brother?

I think floating is probably more of a scumtell than general active lurking - but that might just be me.

How are they any different?

@Vi: Hiiiiii~ to you too.

[Nikanor]

I don't have the time to catch up today. Expect a post tomorrow night.

Yay! ~Kitty

[Nikanor]

Okay, okay. Hopefully I don't forget.

[Nikanor]

You're welcome!

[Nikanor]

You guys
Post
Too much.

[Nikanor]

I'm trying to read through these ten pages that I've been missing, but I'm finding it hard to pay attention. I keep getting distracted. I figure I'm not going to get any good reads like this, so I'm going to call it a night without posting. See you tomorrow, hopefully without another ten fracking pages to read through.

[Nikanor]

Also Neto, feel free to freak out now.

[Nikanor]

Sorry Reck, I'm just not feeling the game right now. I need to be enjoying the game to be useful, and I'm not enjoying it right now.

[Nikanor]

Sorry to DRK, too. *sigh*

[Nikanor]

YES!
I EMERGE FROM THE MOUNTAIN OF POSTS ALIIIIIVE!

[Nikanor]

So, I'm thinking at least one of Almaster and Neto are scum. They're my two top suspects, and it would be weird for me to be wrong twice, I think.
Neto is literally *shrug*ing off his attackers, which is ridiculously scummy, especially when I know that he doesn't do this as town.
As for Almaster:

Either way, though, I don't really understand the whole "L-1" paranoia. Sure, Kyle was lurking and his reasons were copy/paste, but why is him using reasons we think are good to put someone we think is scummy at L-1 so god awful in and of itself?

What the hell is that? Do you not care about the possibility that the guy you're wagoning might be town, and that the person hopping on the wagon may be opportunistic scum?

Unvote. Vote: AlmasterGM.

[Nikanor]

I'd rather not lynch any of Monkey, Sakako, or kyle, but it forced to make a decision, I'd choose Monkey. I don't understand why Sakako is being wagoned, and his wagon feels opportunistic.

[Nikanor]

I don't think the current wagons are adequate, Reck.

[Nikanor]

Why do you think I'm probtown, DRK?

Do you not think Nik's piss-poor attempt to paint AGM as scummy is ill-intended?

I take offense to this. :/

[Nikanor]

Wow, this is pretty cocky for somebody who is having trouble even keeping up with the thread.

Do you think that my ability to keep up with the thread has an impact on my ability to find scum? If so, why?

So was Monkey until extremely recently ... but you don't find him scummy at all. Hrm.

Where? I saw no *shrug*s coming from Monkey.

If this is THE #1 scumtell you have seen this entire game, which I presume it is since your vote is on me, you are clearly not paying attention to the game at all. EVEN IF my post is suspect, which it's not at all, it's definitely not the most important thing that's happened. And to answer your argument: No, I'm not concerned because I don't think Kyle is scum, and I don't think the target is town. And, even if I am wrong, which I doubt, it still doesn't make L-2 bad. TWO additional people would have to wagon for a quicklynch to happen, and if they do, they are obvscum and will die accordingly.

So, assuming the person who was wagoned was scum, you don't think that maayyybe kyle could have been bussing by voting him with no reason of his own?

Regarding Nikanor - I think it's a null tell at this point. DRK makes a good point that a scum would probably want to join a real wagon, but I also know that many scum take refuge in the absurd, counting on the weird things they're doing looking town. It'll depend a lot on what he does next.

Exactly, it's WIFOM.

[Nikanor]

I think at this point, we need to lynch Monkey, kyle, or Sakako. The information and analysis it will provide on D2 would be fantastic.

That's a shitty reason to lynch someone, Reck. I'd rather lynch someone I think is scum, thanks.

[Nikanor]

They could be, I just don't think they are. Plus, saying that we HAVE to lynch one of those three is a false trichotomy(?).

[Nikanor]

Still waiting for Almaster and Neto.
I'm pretty sure Sakako is town. The whole, 'IT'S A TARP!' thing screams town to me. I'm pretty sure scum jumped on his wagon, but I'd rather wait until later days to address this.
kyle is looking more town to me now, too. Reasoning will come after kyle's next post. I just want to make sure of something here.

[Nikanor]

Oh. I thought you would just lurk and not reread and then jump on the Monkey wagon, kyle. Well played.
I didn't actually think kyle was town, btw. Now I'm seeing more town in him, though.
kyle, want to join me on the Almaster wagon?

[Nikanor]

So harsh! :C

[Nikanor]

Why the change of heart, Reck?

[Nikanor]

We need more Monkey in this hizzouse.
I'm satisfied with Almaster's answers, so I'll

Unvote.

[Nikanor]

@ Nika: Now that you have unvoted will you be voting for one of them. I take it that you are interested in Monkey due to above post. I'm just wondering since we are getting close to crunch time.

I'm probably going to go with good ol' Lynch All Lurkers at the end, as hypocritical as that is.

[Nikanor]

I can totally jump on a Neto wagon.

Vote:Netopalis.

The joat claim is odd because standard joats would have inspect, protect, block, and kill as their abilities. Monkey's claim can be proved, though, so let's let him live for now.

[Nikanor]

Nik, it's true that Monkey's claim can be proven

I'm not moving my vote.

You agree that his claim can be proven, but you're not moving your vote? If he can be confirmed (and even maybe catch scum in the process), I don't see why we wouldn't give him the chance to prove himself.

[Nikanor]

Is there a tl;dr version of what you want to do?

[Nikanor]

I'm not entirely sure of who we should be voting for

Netoooooooooooo.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, his claim is somewhat unbelievable...but it is within the limits of normality set out by the survey.

I doubt Mafia Doublevoter is on that survey, but I've seen one of those in a mini normal before. I shouldn't have to tell you this Neto, but living by the survey is just as bad as living by the wiki.

[Nikanor]

Therefore, a new mod wouldn't raise eyebrows by putting it in her game.

How does this have anything to do with the game we're playing now?

[Nikanor]

Tracker.

[Nikanor]

Lying isn't as scummy as you think it is. In fact, this makes me think Monkey is town (scum would have absolutely no reason to go back on a PR claim unless he was caught by a rolecop or something).

[Nikanor]

Oh, and I haven't caught up from yesterday yet. One sec...

[Nikanor]

Fakeclaiming as Town is such fail. Goddamn.

And you sound fake, scum.
I personally am unsurprised at Monkey's flip, but that might be because I can actually tell the difference between scummy and town-like behaviour, unlike half the people in this town. Lowell's 601 is particularly hilarious.
Anyway.
I'm going to start policy lynching anyone who votes another person stating their reason as 'Lynch all Liars.' LaL is a copout as either alignment. Scum think, 'Oh hay, I can easily get this person lynched now by stating LaL!' Town think, 'Oh hay, we can lynch this person without actually having to think! I've been using my brain too much lately, so let's shut that down for a while and instead just lynch this person without thinking about his motivation for lying, which could indicate at his alignment.'

Vote: hitogoroshi.

For supporting LaL despite being experienced enough to know that LaL is for scum. Also, as has already been said, 587 is an abomination.
After lynching hito today, let's lynch almightybob. He's scum, too.

(DeathRowKitty, Nikanor, Sakako)

These people are town. Don't vote for them, or you're scum like bob.

[Nikanor]

I'm going to start policy lynching anyone who starts policy lynching people for using a tried and tested method like LAL. It's a copout.

Yes, tried and tested. In every game I've been in where it has been tested, the lynchee has ALWAYS flipped town. That's why I'm going to start policy lynching for it.
Also, a townsperson's job is not only to find and lynch scum, but to also allow others to get an accurate town read on him. When you follow LaL, you're not allowing people to read you. That is why it should be a policy lynch.

Nikanor has amazing insight and is truly an asset to Town, as evidenced by him correctly calling MM's flip even though he was acting scummy as hell all of D1

This is correct. I love it when people acknowledge my truly outstanding townhunting skills.

If MM had been acting pro-Town and then got caught in a lie and been lynched via LAL I would agree with you. But he had been scummy all day long. You were seemingly the only person who bought his claim-change. It's far more likely that you're scum who said "No guys, claimchanging is a towntell" so you could later accuse people on the MM wagon for going with a strong scum candidate.

I just happen to be able to tell the difference between anti-town and scummy. Monkey was not scummy. In fact, I said before he had claimed that I did not find him scummy enough to garner my vote. His claimchange just made me think even more that he was town.

Nobody on the MM wagon unvoted after he changed his claim. That means that, at the very least, the following people were happy to Lynch A Liar (because they posted after he changed claim, but did not unvote):
AlmasterGM, Espeonage, xRECKONERx, Netopalis, Lowell, kyle99.
Also hito, who posted, mentioned LAL, but did not vote.
Also myself. I didn't check back into the thread between MM's claim change and his lynch, but if I had, I would have been screaming for his lynch too.

Three are scum, the rest are just bad townies. I'm going to say it's a Neto, bob, hito team at this point.

Also bob, I'd like to know why you waited until I attacked you to attack me. I'm sure that if you were actually worried about scumhunting, you would have brought these things up sooner.

[Nikanor]

You still haven't produced a case against me.

My case is that you're a lurker. When you said, 'Fakeclaiming as town is such fail,' I detected a fakeness in your tone. You also waited for me to attack you to actually scumhunt. That is a big scumtell in my books.

Considering Day 2 has only just started, this has been the first real opportunity I would have had to bring anything up.

I meant your first post of the day. You could have mentioned all these things against me, but you instead went for a Sak vote. You could have actually done something useful, but instead, you went for a Sak vote. See where I'm getting at? You didn't actually do any (real or fake) scumhunting until AFTER I attacked you today, which is scummy.

In any event, the post that set my alarm bells ringing the most was 609. My attack comes in post 611. Hardly a long wait. And if you'd called anyone else scum without providing any semblance of a case, I'd be attacking about that. Just because you happen to apparently arbitrarily pick me does not make my attack retaliation.

I didn't say it was a long wait, did I? Also, my case is above, and not arbitrary at all.

Incidentally Nika, if using policy lynches like LAL is not pro-Town behaviour, please explain this:

Lynch all Liars is a copout. Lynch all Lurkers is pro-town.

@Nik: you believe all three scum are on that wagon?

I do, if you give hito an honourary spot on the wagon (he said that he wanted to lynch Monkey). It's not really that useful to say, though, since I know I'm town and I've already said that I have a town read on Sak.
What do you think about it, Reck?

[Nikanor]

Despite what Nik may tell you, you do not get town points staying OFF the wagon of a fakeclaimer. Look at this case. There are literally two living players who were not on the Monkey wagon. It's not like this lynch was something only scum would support.

I wasn't giving you town points. I was giving you scum points. Try to pay attention. You were technically on the Monkey wagon anyway.

Preview to a point I'm sure Nik will make me expand out: when scum can get a reward (WIFOM defense) without a risk (since they 'switch back to VT', which can't be validated in anyway) townies have no good reason to fakeclaim and giving an allowance for them to do so is one that will be used by scum far, far more than town. It's basicially the inverse of Hanlon's Razor.

EXCEPT!
>WIFOM ALERT!<
The current site meta would mean that Monkey would be absolutely eaten alive for going back on a PR claim. So much so that the fact is that if he was scum, he would not have bothered going back on the claim and would instead have waited until the next day. Make sense?
>END WIFOM<

Why?

Read above.

[Nikanor]

Oh, and

Unvote. Vote: almightybob.

[Nikanor]

Your reasons that LAL is scummy (correct me if I'm wrong):

Objection!
I never said it was scummy. I said it was a cop-out as either alignment. Even some townies like to shut off their brains and just follow the mob. Anyway,

Applies equally to Lynch All Lurkers.

But lurking is scummy. Lying is not scummy.

How many games would that be? And more importantly, were the people using LAL as justification scum or Town?

On this site, two (including this one). Both of the games are ongoing, so I can't talk about them. And again, I never said it was a tell. I'm not trying to make using LaL into a tell, because it's not. I'm trying to convince people that LaL is a crappy reason to lynch someone. I guess that makes MD a better place for it, but vOv.

Again, applies equally to Lynch All Lurkers, or any lynching policy.

I only policy lynch people that won't let me get a read on them. That includes people following policy lynches, ironically, as well as lurkers.

[Nikanor]

Ftr, I'm not answering anything directed at me that has to do with my opinions on LaL. I've already made my opinion clear. The only difference between Mafia and Town in a normal game is that Mafia try to survive while Town try to lynch mafia. Therefore, the only way to tell the difference between scum and town is to look at their motivation. Is there a survivalist motivation behind needlessly lying on a site where most people will immediately kill a liar without a second thought? No. Is there a survivalist motivation to lurking? Yes. That is why lurking is scummy and lying is not scummy.

Also Reck, my WIFOM is perfectly valid. I'd like for you to find flaw in it. Prove to me why the contrary to that argument is true, and I'll accept that I am wrong.

[Nikanor]

hito, the point is that scum are thinking about surviving, and that's it. Monkey going back on his claim made me think that he wasn't just thinking about his own survival. That is what I'm trying to say there.

[Nikanor]

The instant you incentive anti-town behavior, it becomes effective, at least at the margins. This can be expanded to the idea that the very fact that you're willing to call someone town for an incentive-less lie is proof positive that there is incentive for scum to lie.

Yes, and I gave incentive AFTER Monkey claimed. The incentive wasn't there before he claimed, and he had no reason to believe that it would be there.

[Nikanor]

Sorry guys, I'm going to work today and then packing up my stuff to move. I might be able to post tonight, but I think I probably won't get to posting until Monday or Tuesday.

Thanks for posting! =] ~KittyMo

[Nikanor]

Only two? Then why did you make a big deal out of it, as if you have some long history of LAL backfiring?? Christ.

I said

on this site

. Just yesterday I pulled off two mislynches as scum by pushing a Lynch All Liars case.

About the lurking and lying thing, let's just go with me being right and you being wrong. This theory discussion isn't getting us anywhere anyway, so I'm going to stop caring if you think you're right or whatever now.

I already did yesterday. I said that MonkeyMan probably claimed, realized we were going to tell him which abilities to use that night (so he couldn't doc protect and claim that was his JOAT use). After he realized his claim would be undone, he went back on it and thought claiming he is VT now instead would look like a town gambit. Instead, it looked like a blatant scum gambit (and obviously the vast majority of the town agree with me), and got a member of the town lynched.

Okay, so you didn't go under LaL. Congratulations.

To say it is pro-town to lie about your role then reveal that you are lying is quite frankly wrong. Even if what I said was WIFOM, you can't prove anything you're saying is anything more than WIFOM. At the best, it's a null tell - and even that null tell on top of how shitty MM had been playing would've been enough for a lynch for most people.

I didn't say it was more pro-town, I said that I think townies should think before they lynch someone for lying.

Anyone given some thought to the possibility that scum are just sitting back watching the town squabble over stupid things like which is better out of the two types of LaL?

Goodposting.

Not to mention, just iso him and read through his first 14 posts in the topic. They're all lurky - promises to catch up, bitching about how many posts there are, etc. When he finally does post ANYTHING of content, it's a half-assed case on AGM. He says at least one of them is scum, then puts a vote on AGM when there are two viable wagons on MonkeyMan and Sakako. I can't in all good faith give him town points for this seeing as how he COMPLETELY ignored the two main wagons for the day.

Dude, there were ~10 pages to catch up on in a day.
I said that I thought Sakako and Monkey were town. Please pay attention.

When pressured further on it, he simply says "I don't think the current wagons are adequate". No specific points he disagrees with, no kind of defense, nothing. He continues to imply that there's no way MM kyle or Sak are scum, but refuses to give reasons. And how about this:

The cases aren't adequate. Afaik it's all a bunch of gut reads and bandwagonning.

How about that hammer on MM, eh Nik?

I don't see anything wrong with it.

He then unvotes once his awful AGM case doesn't get any traction, then blatantly wagons Neto WITH NO REASONING BEHIND HIS VOTE WHATSOEVER. He continues to beg for a Neto wagon and never gives any reasoning or presents a case.

I said that I thought one of AGM and Neto were scum. And I did provide reasons for my Neto vote. Would you like to actually

read

my iso for me, please?

His iso 37 is 1) arrogant as hell and 2) scummy as hell. He says he's going to start policy lynching anyone who uses Lynch all Liars as their argument (hmm... didn't he do that in the RVS?). He uses faulty logic and says anyone who wasn't on the MM wagon is auto-town... despite the fact that MM played like shit and was very scummy and could easily draw a bunch of town support while the scum just sat by and watched. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM.

I know I'm town, I think Sak is town. It just so happened that neither of us were on the Monkey wagon.

Anyway, Nikanor has posted faux-content this entire game and has tried to pass it off as him doing some active scumhunting, when in fact he hasn't. A lot of his points are made using WIFOM and... yeah... he's just so blatantly lurker-scum-who-tried-vehemently-to-stay-off-the-mislynch-then-start-firing-at-everyone-who-was-on-the-wagon, I can't not Vote: Nikanor.

When I eventually flip town, you will have to realise how awesome I am for seeing that Monkey was town.

More coming later tonight. Time to move some furniture! Yay.

[Nikanor]

Wait, why is AGM still voting hito?

[Nikanor]

I said

eventually

for a reason, Neto. I could have said, 'When I am lynched, night-killed, or at the end of the game you will see that I am town and therefore awesome,' but I got lazy.
Also, I just realised that the reason for why Neto is always running to his meta is because he can't rely on his pro-town behaviour in this game to see him through. A town player would be able to do that. However, Neto is not town, so he has to rely on meta to defend himself.
I'm willing to lynch Lowell, but I'd rather lynch Neto first.

Unvote. Vote: Netopalis.

P.S. I haven't actually caught up fully yet. I just realised the above when I was moving my stuff and wanted to post it before I forgot.

[Nikanor]

I mean what you've been doing all game, Neto. I'd pull quotes but I don't have the time. If anyone else wants to do so I'd be much obliged.

[Nikanor]

I've noticed that scum often tend to go into "lost cause" mode much earlier than town, and I feel that may be his motivation.

And I wouldn't keep arguing it if people didn't keep hammering the same bloody point. But, fine, you're right. Failing to vote on page 1 is scummy. Keep your vote where it is. I'll add this game to my growing collection of moral victories.

[Nikanor]

[Nikanor]

Then why would we believe that you pushing Lynch All Lurkers isn't you trying to do exactly the same?

Good point. The answer is that you don't.

Whoa whoa whoa. Stop the press. Is that... is that

justification for a stated position

? From

Nikanor

?

I lol'd.
Believe it or not, I do have reasons for what I do (most of the time).

And can I ask @ everyone (apart from Nikanor the psychic) why they've dropped all suspicion of Sakako in D2? Did I miss him doing something incredibly pro-Town or being cleared or something?

Not to freak you out by giving another justification, but I thought Sakako was town from day one because of iso 17. Paranoia is a town-tell.

[Nikanor]

Hi Zach!
I'm not going to comment on Lowell's post yet, except to ask him why he's not assuming three scum in a mini normal game. Lowell, you've played how many mini normals? If this game has anything other than three scum, I'm going to kill our mod.

While I don't see much 'lost cause mode' coming from Nikanor, I have noticed this pattern as well (that scum go 'woe is me' well before townies.)

What do you think of Neto's 689?

Reck, what do you think of Lowell's post? You seem to be really concerned about it, but then you post without even mentioning it! Considering you're voting the guy, I'd assume you would want to address anything and everything he has to say.
I'm going to waggle my finger at you for now, Reck. Next time, though, it's a vote. Watch your back!

I'm also shaking my head at the 'Neto is scummy, but I'm not going to vote him' attitude that seems to be going around. We sure do have a lot of scummy distancing going on now, mhmmm.
If AGM is scum with Neto I'm going to LOL.

[Nikanor]

I like how Reck waits until bob says something about Lowell's post, follows that, and then doesn't even address what I've said about him at all.
I said you'd get my vote, but I'll wait until after we lynch Neto. You're both scum, so it doesn't really matter the order in which we lynch you.

Somehow, kyle's hammer makes him town. I don't get it.

I do. I get town vibes from it. His 'what the fuck' when he's throwing down the hammer smells like an uninformed majority.

[Nikanor]

Why are you ignoring me, Reckoner?

[Nikanor]

(going "What the hell." and hammering)

Is it, 'What the hell, why not?' or 'Well what the hell was that?'

[Nikanor]

Just an update for those of you who do not understand the Arabic number system: we now have five days until the deadline. If Neto is not lynched today I will be very upset. I fully recommend a shift of every vote that is not on a wagon (i.e. bob, Saka, Lowell, Zach) to move to one of Lowell or Netopalis now. Remember that we still need to give ourselves time to lynch someone else if a cop or something is claimed.

[Nikanor]

You weren't there. Look at the timestamps - it was obscene. I usually check MS around once a day if it isn't a weekend. I'd come back to the thread a day later to find that people had spammed 5 or 6 pages, lots of it irrelevant or unhelpful in scumhunting. It was like replacing into a game every day, pretty daunting and discouraging. Most of the games I've played have been less than 25 pages, this one had a 25-page Day 1.

This. Thanks for the defense, bob! I'm glad to see you're encouraging Zach's opinion of us.

I am noticing an alarming pattern from Nikanor, where he will lurk, and then complain about the level of posting in the game when he's scum.

It's alarming how little impact meta arguments make on people. Also, one game does not make a pattern.

What's even worse is that Nikanor did exactly 0 scumhunting till about page 17. This is inexcusable. What he came up with when he actually started posting wasn't much either. A vote for Almaster? An offwagon vote on Neto? What's this crap? It looks like you're trying to build a town resume to me... and I'm not buying it for a second.

Bless the gods for bestowing upon us Zachrulez, lord of hypocrisy! (Hint: I'm calling your vote on me an attempt to stay off both the leading wagons and trying to earn some town cred).

The most activity I have seen from you was your little spat with Bob at the start of the day where you were fighting over the validity of lynch all lurkers vs lynch all liars, a fight that feels fake to me in an effort to make both you and Bob look more proactive to the town. (I think he's probably scum too.)

I have here in my hand an interesting activity for us today. It's called 'look at the replacee.' Now Zach, you should know kyle's alignment. Tell me, did kyle give more activity or content than myself before leaving the game?

An interesting observation of mine: I vote Neto for lurking, among other things. Neto votes Lowell for, as I understand the case, lurking. Zach votes me for lurking. Then, Zach says he doesn't know why Neto and Lowell are being run up. Just an alarming little pattern I noticed.

[Nikanor]

Yeah....
Reck, what do you think of Zach's case against me?
bob, why haven't you voted Neto yet? Did you find something obvtown about him?

[Nikanor]

I don't see any reason to not nolynch, unless someone has role information they'd like to share.

[Nikanor]

Well I'd feel real silly if a cop or something with a guilty result died without revealing himself, so I'm just asking.

[Nikanor]

Well considering

I

drove it for the most part, I'm going to say no.
@Zach: Your case is still crap. Please think of something better if you're just going to piggyback kthx.

[Nikanor]

Lol. You still insist that I was lurking in this game, eh?
If you want to see a game where I was town and lurked, and even said something equivalent to 'I need to catch up on these walls of text,' look no further than a game you should already be fairly familiar with: Mini 847. Here is the post where I said I needed to catch up.

[Nikanor]

(And actually checking my game, my game reached 17 pages QUICKER than this game did.)

No it didn't. Your game took eleven days to reach page 17. This game took seven days to reach page 17. I'd like to know how you'd make this mistake.

Also, I have a job now. I didn't have a job then.

[Nikanor]

I have a job now. I didn't have a job then.

This.
If you really want to lynch me on meta, go for it. I'm telling you it's a bad idea, though.

[Nikanor]

Zach, I work nights. And when I work nights I'm gone for 12 hours at a time. So yes, it does have to do with everything.

[Nikanor]

I didn't really want to link to this game, but here's an example of something that is probably a lot closer to my play in this game.

[Nikanor]

That's because it's morning, obviously.

[Nikanor]

You know that that was a hammer, right? It only takes four people to nolynch with six alive....

[Nikanor]

Err, four to nolynch with eight alive. It's three to nolynch with six alive. KittyMo should know this by now. >_>

[Nikanor]

Nik dies tomorrow.

Nooooo. You're going to lose the game if you do that.
I'm going to start working on a PBPA overnight. I really don't think I will be killed, so it should be safe. If I die I'm night-killed I'm going to flip out on the scum in post-game.

[Nikanor]

No more discussion until the mod shows up, please.

I will discuss all I want, thank you very much! Why don't you want us to discuss stuff?

[Nikanor]

ATTENTION! I THINK THAT EVERYONE IS SCUM EXCEPT FOR THE SCUM, AND WOULD BE WILLING TO LYNCH ANYONE AT LYLO THAT ISN'T SCUM. PLEASE FORM YOUR NIGHT-KILLS AROUND THAT THOUGHT.

[Nikanor]

So I'm a VANILLA TOWNIE.
Discuss.

[Nikanor]

Zachrulez and AGM are obviously lying scum.
Any breadcrumbs?

[Nikanor]

Oops, I forgot to post in green text. Sorry.

[Nikanor]

The only obvious scum here is you.

Oh ho ho, someone is going to feel silly when I turn out to be town!

Care to outline the blockbuster case against Zach and I?

I was kidding. Although I was pretty upset when I got home to see that my main suspect (you) had claimed Mason.
I actually have reason to believe that KittyMo would include Masons in this setup.
Those reasons being that she likes Masons.
She likes them a lot.

[Nikanor]

Continue on with the Mass Claim! AGM, care to make a suggestion?

[Nikanor]

I was thinking about this game all day at work (yes, I work day shifts now). I was going to iso AGM when I got home for his nolynch vote post yesterday, where he jumps on the 'Nik is scum' bandwagon without giving any other reasons or prior indications of suspicion.

[Nikanor]

How considerate of your boss to change your shifts to match your

inactivity excuses in Mafia.

need to pay rent and buy food.

Fixed.

[Nikanor]

And yeah, Town is looking pretty underpowered so far.

Please stop coaching hito.
hito, claim.

[Nikanor]

I'm not really seeing Lowell scum. The best point against him is far from iron clad. (Tail end of both wagons.)

How is that in any way worse than a meta lurking argument?

[Nikanor]

To expand on this post that I pointed out earlier, if I was scum planning a mislynch on someone, and my top mislynch candidate ended up claiming mason, I think I'd be pretty upset too.

If I had claimed Mason, Zach, would you be upset?

[Nikanor]

Plus, scum trying to drive a mislynch on AGM would be insane. The only person who has thought of him as anything other than town this game was me.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, and your reasons for suspecting him have been completely insane. (See: Made up.)

So we agree that each other is insane. Excellent.

Strangely enough, meta is the saving point for Lowell for me right now. His play is pretty much on par with what I've seen from him in past games. Enough people also want his head to make me weary about that lynch as well.

a) Have you ever read one of Lowell's scum games?
b) Everyone always wants Lowell dead regardless of his alignment. His playstyle is a noose magnet.

[Nikanor]

I'm off to work! I have a night shift tonight, har har har.

[Nikanor]

Oh FFS.
Unvote now. Give me another day or two to explain why I'm not scum.

[Nikanor]

Okay then.
Good job scum.

[Nikanor]

Says the guy who just dropped a quickhammer.

[Nikanor]

Also Zach, I really like how you said that Lowell had too many people out for his lynch then continued to push for my lynch like everyone else. Great play there.

[Nikanor]

I'm town dammit.

[Nikanor]

Seee?
>_<

[Nikanor]

DeathRowKitty tracks xRECKONERx.
xRECKONERx kills DeathRowKitty.

Hah.
I was totally the MVP this game (jokes, of course). I'll keep my real opinion secret until after the poll.

[Nikanor]

Oh, and sorry about how I acted like an arrogant dick for Day One & Two. I wasn't eating properly (or at all), so I was a bit moody.

Vote Nikanor for MVP 2010.

[Nikanor]

Also, all my excuses were true.

[Nikanor]

I now have all of Reck's meta tells documented in my notes. Excellent.
I'm watching you next game, Reck.

[Nikanor]

Lolwot? How did I get first place in town MVP? >_> I would really like to know who voted me and why.