Sucrose has some 'splainin to do.
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RedCoyote wrote:I'm comfortable with Deer's vote; I'm not comfortable with yours.
Ohh lets start this dance because I'll light a fire under your feet SO FAST the world won't even know what happened.
Without 1.) explaining your reads 2.) clarifying "odd ties" which to those not in the know are in fact SECRETS and two posts where you've given A SINGLE CANDIDATE NOW THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR YOUR VOTE that post is white noise at best.
But, yea. Its me.
I'm twisting the words.
ALAS I AM UNDONE
Dragonfly's good post goes here.
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Well, that there is a good post. I approve of that. Why didn't you just START with that sheesh.
After I see the VC to make sure there's no shenanegi I can get behind that.
I lean deer for a partner a bit more.
Deer wrote:Okay, I'm going to do this. Dragonfly has swayed me away from thinking rzhang's spot is scum, and like I said before, SSSS looks to be the next most likely scum.
unvote, vote: SSSS
Yessir, I can see the umbrage. And, I know where this is going: "Ahh, but I am Deer and I know my alignment therefore..."
But, lets explore some more.
It really isn't, for me at least. That quote you selected was just me saying that I didn't bother to go through his posts with as fine of a comb as I would have had he been alive.
Where we seem to be hitting a brick wall is that I am saying that it's possible for SSSS to have been a good lynch for both the town and the scum. I don't know if that's causing you to grit your teeth or what, because you keep throwing this back at me as though I can't hold this position. Well, let me save you any more sleepless nights: I can, and I do.
So, you haven't looked through Deer in detail is what I'm taking from the first... but, you are him? Or, so one prong of this argument has went.
But, lets look at the other. And why I'm really "gritting my teeth" (by gritting you must mean becoming more confident you are scum but I digress).
A good lynch:
For town is a lynch of scum or, barring that, a scummy player that delivers enough information to outweigh the mislynch (during early days).
For scum is a lynch that doesn't get them lynched (or setup a scenario where they get lynched (this is important later)).
So, could SSSS have been a "good lynch" for both sides? Sure. It easily fulfills the most basic of criteria.
Does that mean that pointing at someone as scum because "they were on the wagon" makes sense? Maaybe.
Does that mean that if you were also on the wagon but quantifying it as ok because it was "a good lynch" while simultaneously attacking someone else on the wagon make sense? Hoosssss no.
Thats the problem. Or, well, one of them.
Red wrote:You should quantify this beyond the catchword "nothing". I have came in here and tried to give this town some fresh arguments (and I'd like to think I've done a good job Very Happy), NS' lastest post, while nothing to write home about, at least shows he's still breathing, and Nikanor has done well to give more analysis than Te had.
I guess my point is, the "new" nothing players should be jbern, peanut, and NS. Either that or I think you should give us more than "here's a random group of three, with seemingly no connection other than lurking". Don't get me wrong, it's not as if NS and Nikanor are/were bad picks, but the same criteria that collected those three should at least be tickling in regards to peanut and jbern at this point.
Nothing isn't a catchword. It is what it is. Nothing. Truly what Deer did. Nowhere have I said you, RedCoyote, have done nothing. Because that would be silly AND a lie.
However, which is it? You are comfortable with Deer's vote as though he's a separate entity (which makes no sense, but I digress) but didn't read his thought processes?
But, I was scum because wf was? And, of course, because I was on the same wagon you were on?
And in that last paragraph you've said that my picks were good except for your position on it. That my picks were good except, solely, you.
And, considering the way this is going, I'll get to them when I get to them. I'm focusing my energy on the target I'd most like to get lynched today - you.
Red wrote:
That's so WIFOM laden I don't even know how to come at it.
The two flips we had were both town, both off the SSSS wagon, for starters. Secondly, two of your three scum predictions were on the SSSS wagon, along with 6 of 9 of the remaining players overall. So if you're going to seriously argue that the two scum are more likely to come from 3/9 than 6/9, then I don't know what else I really can say.
Ahh, WIFOM, how I've missed your call.
No. Conventional wisdom being what it is, if scum put themselves in a scenario where they can push through a mislynch without being on the wagon in such a way that it does put huge alerts on them... every time. Because of things just like this.
If I were scum and thought I could wait a wagon out for town to do the dirty work without painting a target on myself for it I'd do it every damn time.
As for the other.. and? My picks had nothing to do with that wagon. They had to do with the skaters - and majorly so. I'm standing behind those. I'm not trying to paint that wagon as some pro-town tech wagon while being a part of it.
Red wrote:
Why shouldn't I come after you for this? You called out Deer before I took over the slot.
Come after me for what? For calling out Deer before you replaced for doing nothing? For calling you out for a different set of things because you are definitely not doing nothing?
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But, that was a lot of noise for the other part of this I really want to get into. Up there I said a "good lynch" for scum is one that isn't them... or gets them lynched for it.
Oddly enough I saw enough in this doublespeak I laid down the gauntlet.
You've called me out as your #1 scum pick. You've got me aggressively going after you.
And I've never, ever seen a vote from you
. Even though there's "significant preference".
Why is that?
