Mini 905- Mafia in Sienna OVER

[Budja]

Hello .
Far too late for me to get a post out tonight but I'll catch up tomorrow.

[Budja]

Skimmed.

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Elli is zwet-like and hard to read. Little gut-town.
P-man's page 6 jump looks town. A bit too overt for scum. Focusing on Elli is null.

Then he gets in the squabble with kitten, which, like I said, seems very disingenuous to me, like two buddies having at it.

^ I get the feeling Kitten doesn't believe in her attack.

I'm torn on Leaf. His scum-talk question was bad but nothing else makes me think scum.

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I won't pop a vote yet (bit more reading) but I think I will be joining the popular wagon .

[Budja]

Note to self: read thread properly .
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After a deeper read Kitten is actually obv-town.
I initially found her jump onto the early bandwagon a bit suss (4th vote in a short time) but she did had the best reason to be on it.
This post,

Basically, I'm voting for you for two reasons. The first is that you didn't take a stance on anyone until I called you out on it. I think scum is more likely to do this because they want to avoid connecting themselves to anyone; when someone flips town they don't want to have to take responsibility for being on the wagon (because it makes them look bad) and they don't want to connect themselves to their buddies for obvious reasons. Basically, I believe that not having a stance is a large part of what staying under the radar entails.

However, if scum just did that they would get caught pretty quickly. A nice, easy way to look productive without actually saying anything is to ask a bunch of questions without really doing anything with them. These questions may or may not be relevant, but most of the time they are pretty reactionary. That is the vibe I get from your questions.

tl;dr case: Staying under the radar and active lurking.

is very good posting. Rereading leak (especially in ISO) , I see him comment on things a lot but rarely give anything beyond a weak stance. He does ask a lot of questions but I can't see them leading anywhere.
Look at any post of Leak's and you will see this.

confirm vote Leaf

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My reads on Elli/P-man are still good and have not changed BTW.

[Budja]

Well, duh. Its a contradiction brought about by lax reading.

Skimmed.

Note to self: read thread properly.

..and your quote-reply walls tend to be skimmed the most.
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The only addition I can think of is the "scum-talk slip" you did. It's a good case and pretty complete IMO. You could really sum up my last post as "I agree with this case".

[Budja]

Feh, don't expect a response to that.
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@CTD, lazy once != lazy all the time.
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@Sotty, mainly the latter.
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@Leaf, It only really becomes clear in ISO. I am hard pressed to find one which really shows a solid opinion.

[Budja]

Sometimes its easier to read/comprehend than others. Its mood-based really so I can't and won't defend myself here.

[Budja]

I still really don't get this wagon.

..and Elli just dropped all of his town points. Seriously, the way he got a vanilla claim then suddenly changes his mind on gut is horrible.

[Budja]

I will be absent Fri-Sun AEST.
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(Yes, I will post today before I leave tomorrow)

[Budja]

I'm back.
..and with that.

Vote: Elli

Not fully convinced but certainly a better lynch than kitten.

Elli is clearly not-newbish just zwets-ish.

Wicked case looks interesting at a glance.

Wick needs to take a seat in the hotseat if Elli flips scum. Otherwise, I'm open to look into pman more closely tomorrow.

^Yep.
If Elli is town, I'd be inclined to think of Wick as town too.
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I agree Elli-scum -> Kitten-town. Rolefishing is the only logical scum-motivation for Elli push-and-flip. I can't see busing.

[Budja]

I see no problem with my hammer, it was going to be Elli or Kitten and I chose.

I will look into Wicked. I was getting town on him yesterday.

Basically this is a "I'm still here post". Hopefully, I can get into this game soon, and cut the lurking/avoiding.

[Budja]

The only points of wicked's case that interest me are pman's semi-contradictory attack on Elli for being VI.
But I think this is more of a newb-tell than a scum-tell.

So no, I don't think pman is a good lynch.
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Now for wicked..

[Budja]

p-man's arguments were flawed.
I didn't like Elli's later actions and thought him the best choice.

Most accusation on me revolve around my lack of content (IIRC). Only one way to fix that and its not be starting an argument.
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...and there is more to look at but I have to look over it properly when I am in the correct mood. I'll look over Wicked by tonight and have some more out.

[Budja]

@Leaf, Elli was hard to read. I wasn't certain but I was happy enough to lynch him over Kitten.
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Impatient hammer-happy idiot Townie

A bit .
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Ok, looking at Wicked I see strong links to Kitten. (His L-1 unvote, and alternative case on pman) but I am not convinced of Wicked scum.
Moriarty's view makes sense from her perspective but I see Wicked as pretty null from this.
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Leaf still looks scummy. (I'm trying not to get too tunnel-gut-visioned here, but there really is something off about his posting. I feel as if my words are being twisted a little anyway.)

I was beginning to get a bad feeling from Oman, but his day 2 behaviour makes me a lot happier.
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[Budja]

Just FYI, I have asked to be replaced but the mod seems to not have posted so yet.
(Sorry for the inconvenience. I just can't "get into" this game and that makes it a chore.)