Mini 863 - Space Station Mafia: GAME OVER - EVERYONE'S DEAD
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Why did you single me out when CooLDoG and CoCo did the exact same thing? As for why I didn't add to or question CoCo's post; there's not really anything to add other than the fact that I agree. Why would ISposh wrote:Vote: Messiahfor jumping on CoCo's post 64 without really adding anything or questioning it.questiona comment that I agree with?
Can you make clear the definition of "apparently" you're using? I originally assumed themilkshake wrote:Heh, why wouldn't he be apparently innocent?plainly; clearly; obviouslydefinition.It's times like this..-
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Yes, I agree that it stood out; and I did ask a question to go along with it.charlatan wrote: What you're "agreeing" with is the statement that "this stands out", which has almost zero content to it. I would expect to see some sort of question or accusation go along with this.
I wasn't backpedaling, I legitimately misinterpreted what milkshake meant due to the word having more than one common meaning. Is the sentence you put in apostrophes suppose to be some kind of paraphrase?charlatan wrote: It looks a bit like borrowing someone else's soft suspicion and running with it, getting called on it, and then backpedaling with 'oops, I mistook the definition of the word.'
@Hoopla: Why are you sure I'm scum?It's times like this..-
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@milkshake: In that case, what's scummy about a 2 vote bandwagon on the first person who said anything suspicious during the RVS?
As for Hoopla's information, I know that she's lying. If you're just going to take her word for it I'm not sure how I can convince you otherwise.
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Having information no one else has for why "we ought to be voting messiah".Peabody wrote: What is Hoopla lying about?
The entire "case" I had against him was just that one sentence. I misinterpreted what he meant in that sentence, therefore the entire case was based on a misinterpretation, which is why I unvoted.Peabody wrote: Messiah, you pushed a case on milkshake with a vote. This makes me believe that you didn't just misinterpret his wording.
Yes, you're correct.Peabody wrote: Next, your vote was not the same thing that cooldog and coco did. Coco didn't vote. CooLDog voted after you.It's times like this..-
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Please point out where I voted for you.Sposh wrote:Because of his hypocrisy in voting me. The reasons he used were such a double-standard, I just think either he has to be scum or scum was on that wagon...
It may have already been on the table but milkshake hadn't given it a real answer at that point.charlatan wrote:I don't consider you to have really asked a question. You did in a technical sense but were basically echoing the question that was already on the table from when NAW asked about it.It's times like this..-
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@Sposh: Stop ignoring my questions.
@AlmasterGM: I won't be claiming unless there's more requests for me to do so; mainly due to the fact that most of my wagon is based on some "information" that either doesn't exist or isn't as conclusive as Hoopla seems to be implying.
I've been put at L-1 and asked to claim because of Hoopla's code. Your and Sposh's "case" certainly weren't the driving factor. Neither of you have given convincing reasons as to why I would be a good lynch, even to the point of some parts of your cases being completely untrue and/or nonsensical.charlatan wrote:Hoopla's "code" isn't the reason the bandwagon is there at all. It's a contributing factor, but Sposh and I both voted before Hoopla, for reasons stated in the thread.It's times like this..-
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I'm getting tired of Sposh ignoring me, let's try bold.
@Sposh:I have two questions I want you to answer. Ignoring me will not make me forget about them.
1.) You've accused my vote on milkshake of being a double-standard. How is that so?
2.) It's been two pages since you declared how great of a lynch I am. Has that changed? If so, why? If not, why are you not voting me?It's times like this..-
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CoCo wasn't the first one to mention it and I wasn't the first one on the wagon, either.charlatan wrote: It seemed like an easy way to run with CoCo's ball and still get that cozy first-on-the-bandwagon spot.
Don't put words in my mouth, at no point have I said this point was nonsense. But yes, looking at it now I understand that it wasn't really game-related; at the time it stood out to me more than anything else that had been said all game, especially after he avoided answering NAW's question about it.charlatan wrote: they were not talking about in-game alignment but rather personality traits, and voting based on it was scummy and easy. Do you have an actual response to this, or will you just continue to say it's nonsense?It's times like this..-
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When you said I should have asked a question to go along with my vote, or Sposh saying that my vote was scummy because it was a double-standard or when you both said I parroted CoCo, for example. I believe there were more odd/untrue things said as well. I do in fact follow your logic on some of the points, I'm not trying to pass off everything as completely ridiculous.charlatan wrote:Which parts are completely untrue and nonsensical, to clarify for me?
-Jumping on(Parroting?) CoCo(NAW?)charlatan wrote:Honestly, I don't even consider myself to be pushing a case on you at all, but you make reference to one, so can you also summarize for me what you think my (and Sposh's, if it helps you) case is?
-Scummy/easy vote on something that was likely not even game-related.
-Backpedaling
Correct me if I'm wrong.It's times like this..-
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unvotebecause I believe Hoopla when she says it was just a gambit. I'm not ruling out the possibility of it being a scum gambit but I see no reason to assume it was.
At this point my #1 suspect is AlmasterGM. NAW's post 268 rather accurately expresses some of the suspicions I've had for a while. Specifically how it feels like AlmasterGM is just trying to get any kind of lynch he can while contributing nothing.(I'll elaborate further in my own words if anyone wants me to.) In addition to what was already said, though, are a couple of things:
Firstly, his "CoCo is scum" stance is very adamant, though his only reason he has ever given was post 174's "he hasn't posted anything". It isn't clear weather he's more concerned with a lack of posts or a lack of content but that isn't very important to the point I'm trying to make. At the time of that post, "two open-ended questions that didn't go anywhere" was actually a larger contribution than he had made to the game.
His other suspects are Peabody and hiphop, which he again has never given a reason for suspecting. He even goes as far as to say peabody is scum in post 243. This pattern of never giving even the slightest reasoning as to why he suspects someone becomes much scummier once you realize that he hasn't even backed up his suspicions with a vote, and, in fact, he opted to keep his vote on me even after his only reason for voting me was revealed to be a lie.
Vote: AlmasterGM
I see that hiphop is at L-2. Is the entire case against him just the fact that he was defending me?
Also, for the record, I don't like CooLDoG at all, though I suspect he may act this way as town and scum. I plan on reading through his previous games a bit later.It's times like this..-
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"You suck, go convince yourself that you're wrong" isn't a valid response to anything that I said.AlmasterGM wrote: The irony of this post is incredible. Go iso your own posts. They follow the EXACT same pattern as mine. Good try at attempting to start a counter-bandwagon away from hiphop, though.It's times like this..-
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@milkshake: What do you think of the possibility that hiphop was simply trying to play to his town meta(as he mentions in post 219), perhaps going a bit overboard in the process? Why wasn't this included in your possible scenarios in post 292?
@Hoopla: Why do you want to policy lynch today?
@Sposh: No, they shouldn't claim. There's other ways a no kill can occur, and even if a doc did block the kill he would have no way of knowing it.
I'm going to have limited access for a few days.It's times like this..-
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I don't really understand what you're getting at. Is the case I made in post 273 somehow invalid now? I'll make a bullet point list/analysis of the main reasons I think he's scum once I have access to a computer.(Been posting from my phone for about a week now.)Peabody wrote:Messiah..
You haven't said a word about Almaster on this day. Why do you think he's mafia?
Which is where the "playing to his town meta" part comes in.milkshake wrote:The problem: town doesn't know who's town, unless they're lynched, and as I said, it was a low-risk wagon, and one that was unlikely to come to fruition at the time...It's times like this..-
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I wouldn't say that it has evolved much, but he has continued the behavior that I found him suspicious for in the first place and his reactions to the pressure have been scummy.Peabody wrote:Because you voted on day 1, I'm assuming you still believe he is mafia. Has your case evolved or detracted at all?
Empking, what do you think of AlmasterGM?It's times like this..-
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I don't see how you can justify saying that Hoopla tried to derail hiphop's wagon; as I recall she was instrumental in causing his lynch.
I haven't forgotten about him. While he has gone this long in-between posts before, the timing of it this instance is note-worthy.Sposh wrote: I also don't see why Alamaster has been forgotten about - as soon as he was in the spotlight, he went silent, and discussion moved on past him.
@Peabody: Why aren't you voting? Who is the scummiest person in your opinion?
@CooLDoG: What kind of "action" do you mean?It's times like this..-
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AlmasterGM's case on Sposh is certainly legitimate, but neither that nor the Vanilla claim change anything for me.
I don't think anyone has voted Almaster for one-liners. Was there some other part of his meta you were referring to?Peabody wrote:The thing about Almaster is he is playing just like his meta. He was town in the game I played with him, and he still did one-liners. Everyone tended to see him as scummy.
1. Yes.Empking wrote:Three questions. All serious.
2. No.
3. No.
The reason I say that you can't really justify saying Hoopla tried to derail hiphop's bandwagon is simple: You're saying her gambit was an attempt to derail his wagon, but I don't believe he would have been lynched at all had it not been for that gambit.It's times like this..-
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unvote, vote: Sposh
I've had a gut scum read on Sposh for a while now, and his scummy reactions to even the most insignificant amount of pressure put it over the top for me. It's difficult in some instances to turn a gut read into agoodcase, but I feel fairly comfortable doing so at this point.
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I apologize for not having posted the last few days, I've had no access to a computer and posting on my phone is a pain.
The case on CooLDoG is decent, and I considered most of the points brought up against him before voting Sposh, but I think Sposh is significantly more likely to be scum.
@Sposh: In post 510 you were going to decide between voting CooLDoG and Empking, what changed since then?It's times like this..-
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I don't really like it. He basically lurked through D1, especially at the end; and while I still feel that saying your gambit was an attempt to derail the hiphop wagon is fairly rediculous, if he honestly thinks that I don't understand why he isn't voting you.Hoopla wrote:Hey Messiah, what do you think about Empking's play so far?
@Empking: It may just be because I'm tired, but I don't follow. Why do you presume Howard is claiming scum?
Also, Sposh's continuing refusal
to explain why I'm the best lynch is noted.It's times like this..-
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I only ask because you didn't explain it at all, and no.Looker wrote: Why do you ask? Do you find my unvote anymore suspicious than Sposh's unvote?
What exactly are you looking to hear? If I'm willing to compromise or not? I certainly am, but the Sposh wagon is only one vote behind Empking's and I like it a lot more.Hoopla wrote: REALLY need to hear again from Almaster, Sposh and Messiah.It's times like this..-
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lobstermania wrote:Note: Replacements did not receive the original role titles, nor were they informed about them.
What's going on here?HowardRoark wrote: When I replaced into this game my role PM included the flavored and standard role name.
Scum don't want confirmed townies running around.Looker wrote:What kind of scum motivation?It's times like this..-
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It seemed fairly clear to me that he intended to confirm the role name, though I suppose you're technically correct.Looker wrote:I don't see how the above confirms anything; he didn't verify knowledge of the Passive Astronaut role nor did he denounce it. He only stated confusion as to where Empking got the title from.It's times like this..-
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I don't understand why he was modkilled either, especially at the expense of our lynch for the day.Hoopla wrote:I don't understand why Howard had to die - wasn't his flavour/role claim in stark contrast to Lookers? If so, why was he modkilled?
I wouldn't think so. The mod confirmed that Looker didn't receive the flavored role PM.Hoopla wrote:Does this incriminate Looker?
As for my vote on Peabody, it's more gut than anything else.It's times like this..-
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That's such a blatant mischaracterization of my play that I don't know what to say. If you're referring simply to today, then perhaps you're correct; I've been waiting for Milkshake and Almastar for the more part.charlatan wrote:I've got Messiah as more likely scum since he's essentially a non-contributor that has not furthered cases on anyone thus far. He just chimes in with a rather meaningless question or comment every once in a while.It's times like this..-
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The first thing that comes to mind is my original case on AlmastarGM, found here. I'm fairly certain that the majority of the thoughts expressed in that post were original at the time.charlatan wrote:can you provide examples of situations where you have made a persuasive argument against another player that has not already been mentioned by another player in the game?It's times like this..-
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I do find your summary quite unfair, actually. This part of the case was much more important to me at the time:
Messiah wrote:... This pattern of never giving even the slightest reasoning as to why he suspects someone becomes much scummier once you realize that he hasn't even backed up his suspicions with a vote, and, in fact, he opted to keep his vote on me even after his only reason for voting me was revealed to be a lie.
charlatan, did you read the post where I quoted the mod confirming that Looker hadn't received the flavored role pm?It's times like this..-
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