Mini 863 - Space Station Mafia: GAME OVER - EVERYONE'S DEAD

[Looker]

unvote
vote empking

Welcome to the game, Looker! I hope you can help us out!!

I can try. My suspicions as of this post are as follows.

One of CoolDog and Empking is Mafia along with one of the following:

Milkshake
Messiah
Sposh
Almaster

Currently, I'm leaning Empking due to his absence on the HipHop wagon; however, this contradicts my reason for suspecting Almaster because I believe his presence on the HipHop wagon could have been a bussing manuever. Now, of course, this is speculation, but I'm willing to discourse on the matter.

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I'm also curious as to why there were no kills last night.

[Looker]

I don't like how Sposh has used disappearing as a tactic to get rid of the wagon on him.

Could you dignify my allegations that you and Empking are Mafia with a response/rebuttal? I don't mean to hassle you, a simple "You're wrong" would suffice, too. Thnx!

[Looker]

That's all I asked. Thank you for your cooperation, Almaster.

[Looker]

And, since I work well with pressure

vote deadline

[Looker]

Unvote for now

What are your thoughts on the probability of one of Empking and CoolDog being Mafia? If probable, which? If not, never mind me asking.

[Looker]

And also, what happened to cause your unvote?

[Looker]

Looker: Why am I scum?

Sorry, but I kind of have a slight aversion to that term. I believe you're

Mafia

because:

- You weren't on the HipHop Wagon
- Before my vote, both you and CoolDog were tied for the lynch and usually when this happens, from my experience, and Mafia don't take advantage of it, one of the candidates are Mafia. I picked you over CoolDog because of your absence on HipHop's wagon.

Do you think I chose wrong? You think I should be voting CoolDog instead or do you believe he's town, too? And what about Sposh/Almaster? You think either of them are suspicious or am I just too out there to bother?

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Did I come in at a bad time or something or is this not a very talkative town?

[Looker]

- Nor was a lot of the town.
- Surely that means that one of Cooldog and Sposh is scum as well? If that's the case then it'd make sense that CoolDog is the scum there. (He had been joint at three for longer than anyone.)

Sposh and Al are town. Cool is scum.

- You, myself, Coco, Messiah, and HipHop were the only ones not on the HipHop wagon, right? And you and Coco weren't voting at all; however, that's not my sole reason for suspecting you. That's my primary reason for suspecting you over CoolDog as of your recent tie in votes.
- I'm not sure how to handle the second part. I'm hesitant to act upon it because it's a fact that doesn't exist anymore. Sposh and Cool are no longer tied. They might have been in the past but they're not anymore, now it's you and Cool. Either way, it

could

collaborate with my more recent speculation of you and Sposh being Mafia due to Sposh's recent and unexplained unvote.

And as far as both Sposh and Al being town, I'm hesitant to believe that at the moment.

You didn't talk about any of your predecessor's posts, and rereading NAW, I've found some of his play rather perculiar. Perhaps you can give me your take on it?

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Also, one more thing. Why are you using this as point against Empking, when NAW was guilty of this too?

- You weren't on the HipHop Wagon

Wish I could be of more help in dissecting the intentions of my predecessors posts but all I can say is that different experiences breed different playstyles, different intentions, and different appreciations. NAW was different, I guess.

And regarding the double-standard point, I was using that point against Empking in the Empking V CoolDog department if that makes sense. (If it doesn't, I'm sure I can find some way to...well..explain it)

It's good to have some discussion going, I appreciate the input.

[Looker]

unvote
vote sposh

And regarding the double-standard point, I was using that point against Empking in the Empking V CoolDog department if that makes sense. (If it doesn't, I'm sure I can find some way to...well..explain it)

That's valid, and we really should be lynching someone today who wasn't on hiphop's final wagon. That a far worse offense than any bussing scenario.

Vote: Deadline

Lets kill Empking.

Any suspicions as to who could be Empking's remaining partner if Empking is Mafia and not CoolDog?

Empking is no where near as good as Messiah, but as I promised,

unvote, vote: empking

.

Claim time!

You promised? Okay. What do you think about Sposh?

Looker: I'm not equal with Cool either so your case is

"I wasn't on hiphop's final wagon." along with you so are you scum too?

Plus none of the players are on a hiphop bandwagon now because "it doesn't exist any more" so you don't have anything really.

Uh-uh. You and Cool were tied for the lynch and I picked you over Cool because Cool was on HipHop's wagon and you weren't. And the second part's kind of silly, so I don't know what you mean.

[Looker]

Looker, why did you change your vote?

Just want to make sure I'm right before I try to lynch someone. I already stated that I was trying to decide between Empking and CoolDog; however, I'm figuring that there were three Mafia to start off with so there's another one out there. I'm trying to figure out who's that other one before I jump the gun on anything.

Why do you ask? Do you find my unvote anymore suspicious than Sposh's unvote?

[Looker]

Regarding "my decision" (It sounds so formal):

- Empking - OR - CoolDog
- The third Mafia member, whom I believe to be Sposh at the moment

I'm trying to narrow this down to a single point of failure which is why I'm choosing Sposh as opposed to taking chances choosing either Empking or CoolDog and making an avoidable mistake.

I

am

leaning Empking though due to his incorrect summation of my case and his absence on the HipHop wagon but I'm trying not to be too speculative or scrutinizing and penalize someone for playstyle. This is why my vote is currently on Sposh. I'm also curious as to why he unvoted (Sposh).

[Looker]

I also think lurking when a partner's in the hotseat could be a utilized technique as well so I'll go back and see if I can find any of that in the thread as well.

[Looker]

EBWOP: Get rid of one of those "as well"'s

[Looker]

But of course the HipHop wagon doesn't exist anymore because HipHop is dead. HipHop is

still

dead; however, Cool and Sposh are not still tied for votes. Is it a flaw in my logic that you've realized or a matter of semantics? I actually thought you'd be more concerned with me choosing you over CoolDog or Milkshake's recent vote on you than a matter of wording. But, either way, you

did

mention Sposh and earlier you did state that he and CoolDog were Mafia and that Almaster was town.

So, acting on this, would you be willing to change your vote to Sposh?

[Looker]

O my gosh, what happened? Is this one of those patches you were talking about? Either way, I'm pretty upset about not being Queen of the Towne; however, I guess I could settle for being the Queen's Royal Jester.

I'd also like to hear Sposh's thoughts on the matter and his suspicions. I'd also like a vote from him because I'm rather leary of fence-sitting.

[Looker]

@Sposh: That vote doesn't have to be between CoolDog and Empking, it can be on whoever you want.

[Looker]

unvote
vote empking

@Almaster & Peabody: One of us has to be right

[Looker]

*looks around*

*waits expectantly*

Milkshake, are you the remaining scum...?

[Looker]

Aw, Peabody, how

towny

of you.

@Milkshake: So you're saying both Empking

and

CoolDog are town?

[Looker]

It doesn't feel right.

unvote
vote Milkshake

Flying by the seat of my pants here but I guess all I can do is wait for the claim

[Looker]

no i didnt
where is all this confirmed stuff?

[Looker]

But wouldn't that take three people to verify? Couldn't both Empking and Milk be corroborating with each other? This is all post-lynch speculation, though, of course. Let's see the verdict.

[Looker]

But wouldn't that take three people to verify? Couldn't both Empking and Milk be corroborating with each other? This is all post-lynch speculation, though, of course. Let's see the verdict.

[Looker]

O, okay, so you verify? That's cool. I just hadn't saw anyone else other than Milk and Empking to verify this.

[Looker]

O...so you're a jester?

[Looker]

Sorry, you prolly won't catch the humor in that so just disregard if possible.

[Looker]

Something's wrong here. One of you's not telling the truth.

vote empking

[Looker]

Somewhere somebody said that Empking and Milk were both confirmed town. I don't believe them. There has to be a fakeclaim or something out there. I'm not giving in to the flavor.

On top of that, the three main suspects yesterday were CoolDog, Sposh, and Empking, and now the other two are dead. Maybe Almaster's Mafia, I don't know. Confused, just responding to your request for elaboration if somewhat half-heartedly.

[Looker]

Daft? Howso, eternal birthday girl?

[Looker]

WAIT! U mean like Daft Punk?!? OMG I LUV THOSE GUYS!!!

[Looker]

But what about safeclaims? Can we disprove those? I'll admit it's rather contrived how both CoolDog and Sposh are out of the running, but you can't place all your cards on the table at once. So so far, we have Milk, Almaster, and Empking collaborating with Empking's claim. Do you believe him, too?

[Looker]

And of course I don't need to die, I'm (bout) as towny as it gets!

[Looker]

Well Looker isn't a vanilla townie, that's for certain.

Peabody I'm pretty sure is scum.

Or Looker got her role pm

after

the de-flavoring of the thread. Let's not rule

that

out

But of course, this would all be fishing and I'm not one for fishing...

[Looker]

D1 doesn't vote; D2 lynches CoolDog; D3, tries to lynch me - come on, now, Empking's obvscum. I seriously believe there's a safeclaim going on somewhere.

[Looker]

unvote
vote Looker

So did I.

Well damn it I'm PMing the Mod to see what's going on here

[Looker]

Hate to be all "I'm tellin' Mod!" but I'm confused

[Looker]

Looker, what are you asking the mod?

Whether or not I received the correct format of role pm because it's only one sentence and very ambiguous.

Sorry for getting back to the game late, everyone. My birthday was this weekend, so I was a bit distracted.

I'm probably going to double post, firstly dealing with Looker and then addressing other concerns in the second post (not sure how long I have before I need to run off for the evening, and I don't want to get any more behind.)

On top of that, the three main suspects yesterday were CoolDog, Sposh, and Empking, and now the other two are dead. Maybe Almaster's Mafia, I don't know.

From my point of view, that does nothing to increase the likelihood of Empking being scum. In your opinion, what does hyposcum Empking gain by eliminating both of yesterday's vote magnets?

On top of that, the three main suspects yesterday were CoolDog, Sposh, and Empking, and now the other two are dead.

Maybe Almaster's Mafia

, I don't know. Confused, just responding to your request for elaboration if somewhat half-heartedly.

@Looker: I forgot one other thing. You were bringing up safeclaims at the end of yesterday, too, but at the time seemed to find milkshake more likely to be scum than Empking, at least as evidenced by your vote. (Alternately, you may have found milkshake more viable since the Empking wagon had just been deflated.) Was it only CooLDoG's flip that caused you to reverse your stance?

I knew one of them was Milk's partner, I just didn't know which.


And it was Almaster who said he verified the claims. What kind of sick, twisted plot

is

this? (It's like trying to untangle a very knotted knot)

Hahahaha, if CoolDoG flips scum, you're going to be in a bit of trouble, Peabody.

He's actually in trouble regardless of whether or not CoolDoG flips scum.

But wouldn't that take three people to verify? Couldn't both Empking and Milk be corroborating with each other? This is all post-lynch speculation, though, of course. Let's see the verdict.

I'll verify it.

O, and

why am I at L-1?!?!?

(Let it be known Empking's on my wagon)

[Looker]

EBWOP: Generic - it's very generic.

[Looker]

Unvote.

I still don't like Peabody. I'd hammer Looker right now, but that'd probably cause a massive uproar, so I won't.

Are you testing the waters? Either way, you didn't say anything at all about me in your post but feel the need to vote me. (Don't take that as an inquiry as to why)

I'd really like to vote Looker right now, but it appears that she's at L-1. She makes a far-fetched assumption to justify refusing to believe Empking is confirmed, and I can only see scum motivation for doing so.

What kind of scum motivation? Pray tell...

Since we have a majority with Messiah expressing interest in a Looker lynch, she ought to claim. Please nobody hammer until we have sufficient conversation about her and other possibilities.

I'm Town. That is the paraphrased jist of the ongoing convo with Lobstermania. I asked if I had the correct role pm format and he said my role pm was correct - I'm Town. He made no mention of Passive Astronaughts or any vanillaness or anything. He just said I'm Town.

Honestly I, too, would be OK with voting Looker, but don't exactly want to hammer, which makes three of us. I'd ask for a claim, but looker has practically claimed VT, hasn't he?

Post 709 is a good point.

I agree, Post 709

is

a good point. The plot(/knot) thickens...

A Looker claim would probably help clarify. She is probably the right choice, but I don't like that she jumped to L-1 in a page, even despite the extremely dubious stance towards Empking and Milkshake. Her reply in 706 only makes it worse -- for the most part she ignored the points I raised, and then there's this:

I knew one of them was Milk's partner, I just didn't know which.

So if she's still working from the assumption that Milkshake is scum, she should absolutely be voting Milkshake rather than taking a 50/50 on Empking or Almaster, the two possible partners in her hypothetical situation. Barring real fireworks in the next little bit, I too will be fine hammering her. But we've seen wackiness in this game in terms of role PMs, and we have no reason to rush.

@Almaster: in the meantime, no response to the points I've raised?

I have no problem dying, I just want to be right about Empking, that's all. So please, if/once I'm lynched, reconsider Empking as Mafia. PLEEEEZ

[Looker]

Alright then, nobody hammer. Currently going back and forth via PM with the Mod.

[Looker]

No PM reply yet just wanted to know what Hoopla and Almaster think of the situation and whether their thoughts are strong enough to place a vote (on whomever, of course).

[Looker]

Whoa, thanks for the speedy reply there, guy!

[Looker]

O, how clever.

vote milkshake

[Looker]

I believe a vote from me on Almaster would be succumbing to the WIFOM of Empking's death and feel more confident voting Milkshake than anyone else at the moment. My apologies for

appearing

self-sufficient.

[Looker]

Nice work to the scum, tho, btw, for eluding us for this long. Unless, of course, it's Peabody, in which case you were next on my list anyway, followed by Almaster; however, if the mafia are amongst Charlatan, Messiah, and Hoopla, then congrats in completely fooling me.

[Looker]

We'll meet somewhere in the middle.

[Looker]

Wow great, I just searched the whole thread and I couldn't find any reason Empking would know that the name of the VT role

before

the de-theme-ing was "Passive Astronaut." Of course, the whole reason the game wasn't supposed to be themed is so that this kind of flavor thing wouldn't happen.

unvote

and please please please tell me ASAP if I'm missing something.

- I don't see how the above confirms anything; he didn't verify knowledge of the Passive Astronaut role nor did he denounce it. He only stated confusion as to where Empking got the title from.

Well Looker isn't a vanilla townie, that's for certain.

Peabody I'm pretty sure is scum.

- Though this strikes me as fishing, I see the second statement becoming more and more plausible with each passing day. I was dubious of the situation when I first replaced in and assessed the wagon, but thought nothing of it because it was only the second day. Now, though, it's entirely possible that HipHop and Peabody pulled a successful gambit.

Correct, according to the de-theming PM, my role name was switched to simply "town." And the mafia it discusses are no longer space crazed.

- I received no reference of "space crazed" anything. Did anyone else?

[Looker]

I mean, he

has

been on all the lynching bandwagons since D1. (Excluding yesterday, of course, in which there was no lynch)

[Looker]

The rules have been edited: the Mafia may use their quicktopic during the confirmation stage of the game.

- I believe the modus operandi for this game could have been "Bus like Hell, they can't catch us all." In which case I could understand the Peabody vote and any suspicions flung his way, seeing as, like I said in my last post, he's been on every lynching wagon since Day 1.

[Looker]

Al and Hoop...?

[Looker]

Yeah, I wish I could be drunk and sleepy right now, feels great lying down like that.

RE: Howard's Modkill
- As our Mod's already stated, this is his first time (awwww)

RE: Looker Incrimination
- Milkshake > Peabody > Alabaster - These are the suspects and I really wouldn't mind if we just all bandwagoned Milkshake right now. It'd be fun.

[Looker]

I wouldn't call it a case per se, Peabody, but take however you want it. What I can't understand is this thread's insistence that not only is Milkshake town, but he is

confirmed

town. How is that even possible with this setup?

[Looker]

And I looked at your case from the last page.

1) Your first point shows that your suspicions of me are just as wagon-related as my suspicions of you.
2) And your second point takes us back to the confirmation of town within this setup. We're not even confirming them on technicalities, you're trying to confirm them based on possibilities. We're making assumptions.

Either way, it's nice to know you have opinions. I'd really like to see Almaster's.

[Looker]

This was the post I was talking about before. In this post, I only see confusion as to where Empking got the name, meaning, Empking could have said anything else, i.e. "Space Voyager", and Milkshake could have used the same format; however, it all comes down to this, we'll see what's up and what's real in a little bit. One of us is going to get lynched.

[Looker]

"Like all great debacles, it is a matter of semantics..."

[Looker]

That's fine, Peabody. We'll see.

[Looker]

Naah, it'd be nice to get a vote from them, tho. That'd speed things up.

vote deadline

[Looker]

Okay. Since you don't think I'm automatically scum for suspecting him, then he must be town.

unvote
vote peabody

D1 Bus.

[Looker]

Also,

Since you don't think I'm automatically scum for suspecting him, then he must be town.

What do you mean by that?

I'M READY FOR YOU TO DIIIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!! (she shrieks aloud with general regard to the scum)

Looker is loopy and detached from conventional logic which makes it easy for her to get away with anything.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!



PEEEAAAAABOOOOODDYYYYY!!!!!! HOO! HOO! HOO! HOO! GRRRRR!!!

Confirm Vote Peabody

It's either him or Turkey a la mode, also known to some as Almaster, and, to the jerks, Alamaster. And, to me, Alabaster. HOO!

[Looker]

Which translates rather effortlessly to a list of suspicions, which is all we really need. We suspect the same people and that's all that matters.

Now let's turn this thing into a lynch!

[For future reference: No, I am not expecting the fact that I'm Town to single-handedly protect me from a lynch, so there ]

[Looker]

What? Messiah can't think for himself? O NO! He must be SCUM!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!

[Looker]

Okay, but on a serious note, if there are questions to be answered, I'll answer them logically and with bullets so as to stay on-topic.

[Looker]

Up in your grill? Nice. I try to stay away from extrapolating the psyches of other people, there's too much room for reverse psychology or, as you people call it, WIFOM.

I do believe that we need to figure this whole lynch thing out, though, so I'll try and start it this way. Does anyone have anybody that they'd like to nominate for the lynch? If so, throw it out and then we can discuss whether or not it'd be a good choice for the town and why.

[Looker]

Since this game has been all loopy, I'd like to nominate Milkshake; however, I understand that this isn't a plausible choice and I'd be fine with either Almaster or Peabody, preferably Peabody.

[Looker]

So far we have Looker, Almaster, & Peabody. Any other nominations?

[Looker]

vote peabody

[Looker]

intentionally unbolded for you paranoid types

[Looker]

Peabody & Almaster. I understand that I was wrong about Empking; however, if Milkshake's out of the picture when I'm done with, reconsider Peabody & Almaster.

RE: Clear & Concise Posts - I don't think I really have to. Naah, I don't have to.

[Looker]

I don't know if it helps, but the way that you guys are explaining teams seems off to me, or, rather, I have a different opinion. If there were scum teams I'd expect them to be Looker & Milkshake, Almaster & Peabody, and Messiah & Charlatan. I can't see where I ever interacted or collaborated with Milkshake in a way that would imply any affiliation whatsoever. Not to induce WIFOM, I just don't see it.

[Looker]

You understand correctly. I meant to write Messiah, my apologies.

[Looker]

O, and I'm basing them simply off of me reading the thread. That's what I think. I don't know how to do the votecount analyses and all that stuff, but I can read.

[Looker]

While a fight to the death would be interesting, I was thinking more along the lines of a re-evaluation.

RE: RE: RE: Clear & Concise Posts - No, I checked, I

don't

have to. "It is simply preferred".

[Looker]

@Almaster: You don't suspect Peabody but you suspect Charlatan? That's nice. I also admire the paranoia, or, if you're scum, the deliberate intensity of your fallacies.

@Charlatan: Pro-Town/Anti-Town arguments are some of the weakest, sitting just below D1 Random Vote Analysis. Everyone has their opinions on what helps the town, but you can't play all positions at all times. Play your town-spot on the town-team and I'll play mine...rather poorly, of course, but that's my reponsibility...if I have any of those in online forum games...

Off to school...

[Looker]

Naah, it's dun.

unvote vote looker

[Looker]

I'm still thinking Almaster & Peabody if it ain't Milkshake.

[Looker]

Awww.... Go Town! lmao