Open 164 - Bird 7P (Over) before 836

[Far_Cry]

/confirm

vote Xehdat

for being the last to confirm.

[Far_Cry]

unvote vote Xehdat

..... waiting for him to confirm.

[Far_Cry]

Unvote; Vote: zwetschenwasser

for having a really long name....

I smell a hopeful bandwagon...

I dont....

Unvote; Vote: zwetschenwasser

for having a really long name....

I smell a hopeful bandwagon...

I smell a newbie townie...

hehehe. maybe true.

Far_Cry and zwetschenwasser- What do you plan to gain by your votes? He hasn’t confirmed yet, so I doubt he even knew the game was up. I don’t see any reason for your vote. And you can’t say your votes are random, because your votes aren't.

Random votes are designed to get the game going; rather than idly sitting around like you are, I try to move on people.

So when I vote for a person who already has a vote on him, it's suspicious, yet when zwetschenwasser does it, it's not? Please explain your logic.

Whoa, whoa. We're getting suspicious when the game hasn't even officially started????? This is ridiculous. We are random voting. I dont know how people can find scum so early.

[Far_Cry]

In case you don't know random votes do not have "real" reasons. Random votes should not have real reasons, yours do.

You really think that confirmations constitute a "real reason"? This is a newbie game.

Why won't we just shut up and wait for the new replacement?

[Far_Cry]

This is a newbie game.

No its not Just noticed that.

[Far_Cry]

Whoa, whoa. We're getting suspicious when the game hasn't even officially started????? This is ridiculous. We are random voting. I dont know how people can find scum so early.

Are you telling me that the rvs is not part of the game? If you think that why do you even random vote? Rvs is part of the game. The game has started.

I'm not. There's a difference between random voting and ACTUALLY getting suspicious.

[Far_Cry]

Man oh man, OGM. Try again, seriously.

Vote: Xehdat

for not confirming.

unvote vote Xehdat

..... waiting for him to confirm.

Look at these posts, I can see how zwetschenwasser vote may be random, but Far_Cry is not. His post is like he copied zwetschenwasser and made a few changes, so that the words are not exactly the same. Having the same vote for different reasons could be random, but having the same vote for the same reason, is not random.

Random votes are designed to get the game going; rather than idly sitting around like you are, I try to move on people.

Don’t let me stop you, I was just pointing out non-random votes.

You're making this too complicated. You sound exactly like noob scum trying to act town (or your town acting

too

town.) U and OGM.

Meanwhile,

unvote

.

[Far_Cry]

And why is that a problem exactly, OGM?

It seems to me like someone's trying to get a quick wagon going. Short days hurt the town, big time.

Not when u lynch scum, in my opinion.

OGM sounds very suspicious in opinion, and I'm not letting that go.

vote OneGunMan

OSH KOSH BGOSH SHUT UP WITH THE STUPIDITY PEOPLE!

Unvote; Vote: Brothernature

Shut up with

your

stupidity. God.

[Far_Cry]

I realize that far-cry unvoted and then revoted the same person. To it was like the first time the reason was random and he had to unvote and revote for a non-random reason in order to show that he had a "real' reason to vote.

I was bored. I was seriously waiting for the game to start. Now seriously, start hunting scum, and stop looking at some ridiculously stupid things.

@Brothernature: Hopefully you liking me is a good thing; however, it seems to me like you are trying to latch on to me. I'm noting that down.

[Far_Cry]

Hiphop- Once again, u are making everything way to complicated. What you are saying means that u ar

1. Sucky scum, or
2. A townie overdoing it.

YOU are trying to play safe, yet, all u ar doin is attracting attention thus far. STOP!!!! Take it easy, and simple.

Anyways, what u say makes no sense. I NEVER said that RVS is not part of the game. QFT it. The RVS is over now. And start making sense, and thinking that everyone is stupid and only u ar smart. Stop being a hero. You are making common new mistakes.

[Far_Cry]

YOU are trying to play safe, yet, all u ar doin is attracting attention thus far. STOP!!!! Take it easy, and simple.

I am not trying to play it safe. I love the attention. It makes the game more fun. People only have the right to be suspicious of me, but it is not about the individuals, it is what the town thinks.

O.o So your Spartcus now??

When you say things like, "I was waiting for the game to start," refering to the rvs what do you really think it means?

thinking that everyone is stupid and only u ar smart.

Wait, what? There are people like Hohum and zwetschenwasser who I will never be smarter than, but that doesn't stop me from posting.

This has nothing to with anything. So what are you saying, someone shouldn't post because there are people smarter than them?? WTF??

[Far_Cry]

Oops, screwed up my tags. I'll redo it now.

YOU are trying to play safe, yet, all u ar doin is attracting attention thus far. STOP!!!! Take it easy, and simple.

I am not trying to play it safe. I love the attention. It makes the game more fun. People only have the right to be suspicious of me, but it is not about the individuals, it is what the town thinks.

O.o So your Spartcus now??

When you say things like, "I was waiting for the game to start," refering to the rvs what do you really think it means?

thinking that everyone is stupid and only u ar smart.

Wait, what? There are people like Hohum and zwetschenwasser who I will never be smarter than, but that doesn't stop me from posting.

This has nothing to with anything. So what are you saying, someone shouldn't post because there are people smarter than them?? WTF??[/quote]

[Far_Cry]

I don't like your infrequent, 1-3 sentence posts. And it's not my fault that I'm naturally aggressive, if that's what you meant by "flamy"

You are aggressive? How?

@Far_Cry- It would help if you stop contradicting yourself. I’ll show you.
Post 82

I was bored. I was seriously waiting for the game to start.

referring to the RVS vote.
Post 86

I NEVER said that RVS is not part of the game.

How can something be part of a game if the game hasn’t started?
Also in post 86

thinking that everyone is stupid and only u ar smart.

I don’t even know how he knows what I am thinking. I defend myself, being I don’t think I am smarted than everybody else and Far_Cry answers with this:

So what are you saying, someone shouldn't post because there are people smarter than them??

Did I say this? No. You were referring to me thinking I was smarter than everybody.

I have no idea what you are getting on to with your first to sentences. What are you trying to say??

About the third post u quoted by me, I said that because you are thinking that everyone is stupid enough to some rly silly things. Total meta newb playing.

And about your last post, it seems to like you did say that. Look at this post:

Wait, what? There are people like Hohum and zwetschenwasser who I will never be smarter than, but that doesn't stop me from posting.

So what you are saying is despite the fact that zwet and hohum are smarter than you, that dosen't stop you from posting. But what does how smart someone is relate to whether you should post or not??? I dont understand.

Anyways, I this argument is completely pointless. You are focusing on unimportant stuff.

FoS hiphop

I don't like Brothernature's constant flamy attitude.

I dont like it either. But Brothernature is right and I think you should rly start contributing more.

[Far_Cry]

obviously you don't know what a gambit is. A Gambit is any action made to further a player's agenda. It requires that you plan to further your agenda by saying or doing a certain thing.

I didn’t know what a gambit was and had to look it up and then thought I knew what a gambit was.

You are a fool, and most likely scum.

So because I am a fool, then I am scum. Interesting perspective.

I think hiphop has played the newbie card too long to be simply newbtown.

When did I play the newbie card?

Wait, what? There are people like Hohum and zwetschenwasser who I will never be smarter than, but that doesn't stop me from posting.

So what you are saying is despite the fact that zwet and hohum are smarter than you, that dosen't stop you from posting. But what does how smart someone is relate to whether you should post or not??? I dont understand.

Hiphop, I'd like to hear your reply to this. I don't see how you could think that how smart a person is prevents, or even relates to, another persons posting. Not voting you right now, as that would put you at L-1, but,

FoS: Hiphop

.

I wasn’t going to answer this because he said the argument was pointless.

The whole thing is misrepresentation. First he told me to stop acting like I was smarter than everybody else, which I wasn’t. To this I got the impression that he wanted me to post less in my posts. I came back with that post, meaning I know I am not smarter than everybody else, but will still post the same.

Is that FOS supposed to show that you are following the rest of the BW?

Answer my question u idiot. I would like to know the answer to that.

By the way, do u think u are town or scum?

[Far_Cry]

That's an ironic request.

Nitpicking and trying to pass it off as scumhunting
Inflating his own self-importance
Showing unnecessary hesitance to vote hiphop even though he's been allegedly going after him "aggressively".

Far Cry is a likely partner.

Why do u believe I'm "a likely partner?"

[Far_Cry]

For your second question-town. Who wouldn't say that?

I ask this question becuase people respond to it differently. Some people respond in different ways depending on their personality, style of playing, whether your town, scum, or something else etc.

[Far_Cry]

I think brothernature is an Empking alt.

Why do you think so??

hohum is somewhat hardcore lurking. hiphop, yes, VP made some excellent points against brothernature that he has yet to satisfactorily reply to.

I asked hohum to contibute more before. This was his reply:

But Brothernature is right and I think you should rly start contributing more.

be careful about lurker hunts in such a small setup. Everyone is minimally posting, and there's a good reason for some people to keep a low profile. We can't afford mislynches in a 7P setup.

ya, but u dont keep SUCH a low profile. This lurking sounds suspicious to me, although I'm not 100% sure that a person like hohum would make it so obvious.

[Far_Cry]

By the way, Baltar, you didn't answer my question:

That's an ironic request.

Nitpicking and trying to pass it off as scumhunting
Inflating his own self-importance
Showing unnecessary hesitance to vote hiphop even though he's been allegedly going after him "aggressively".

Far Cry is a likely partner.

Why do u believe I'm "a likely partner?"

[Far_Cry]

Um. I didn't ask you about hohum, farcry.

I know. I was just posting my thoughts.

And you too, didn't answer my question.

[Far_Cry]

you have spent the game asking stupid questions like "ARE YOU SCUM", whilst hiphop's been posting stupid answers to questions. I'm not sure what to make of this.

I have not. You on the other hand, haven't done fuckin thing for this game.

uh... lurker votes !> scum votes

Why?? I wouldn't always think so.

I ask this question becuase people respond to it differently. Some people respond in different ways depending on their personality, style of playing, whether your town, scum, or something else etc.

Umn. Even scum would say that they were town, otherwise they would be lynched almost instantly if they responded, "Oh, I"m scum." So your not making sense .

I know, but scum and town might respond differently. For example, some people say, "Well of course I think I'm town," whereas others will say "I am town." See the difference? It may sound strange to you, but it helps me get a read on people.

[Far_Cry]

Either way, there is plenty on him. Hohum is begging for a lurker lynch though. I hate to do it, but in a 7 player game, lurking is a serious sin.

I agree, but town can't have a mislynch.

I say we lynch bn today and pressure hohum's replacement tomorrow.

This kind of play style really annoys me. You are simply going for utility lynches. You just think, "Lets lynch bn today just because." Alright, I have to say I didn't like bn's play thus far, but that doesn't mean we should lynch him without reason. Your strategy at the very least is antitown, but you can also consider that scummy. For that, I

FoS zwetschenwasser

[Far_Cry]

uh, farcry, your logic is the opposite of the truth. There's a large case presented on brothernature, and only utility cases on hohum.

You believe that we should lynch brothernature for "information." I believe that this is wrong.

I agree, but town can't have a mislynch.

So what do you propose is the best course of action? Do lurkers get a free pass from you because town can't have a mislynch?

No. Lurkers still need to be observed. What I'm saying is that town needs to be careful, and only to lynch lurkers after they are absolutely sure it is done with scummy intentions.

[Far_Cry]

No. Lurkers still need to be observed. What I'm saying is that town needs to be careful, and only to lynch lurkers after they are absolutely sure it is done with scummy intentions.

I'm not sure how one differentiates town lurking vs. scum lurking if both modes include posting nothing.

That was you have to try to figure out whether it is scum lurking or town lurking. Such is the game of mafia (which I'm sure you are well aware of.)

[Far_Cry]

Also, Far_Cry and hiphop, why the heck are you not voting? You find no one scummy in the game yet? When will this take place?

Alright, I go

vote zwets

. He's been completely antitown and hasn't done a single thing to help town.

Normally I wouldn't do this, but with deadline approaching, we need some pressure.

[Far_Cry]

Normally I wouldn't do this, but with deadline approaching, we need some pressure.

So is your vote for pressure or to lynch at deadline? If it's for pressure, what do you hope that pressure will achieve (ie, what would you like zwet to do)?

Similarly, he could be replaced and they could be immensely helpful but since hohum does just enough to avoid replacement, this doesn't seem likely

I'm pretty sure the mod promised a replacement and deadline extension, and I plan to take full advantage of that.

Mod: what is the status on hohum being replaced and when is the deadline going to be?

I'm looking for something, anything from zwets other than accusations and stupid smart-ass comments.

Did you breadcrumb your role?

I believe he did. I'm considering switching my vote.

[Far_Cry]

Yeah, cop should come out with his investigation as long as he didn't do something completely stupid like investigate brothernature. In fact, it might be best to do a popcorn mass claim to really put the pressure on the scum. Who is for and who is against this?

While I don't agree with everything hip hop said, I'm inclined to believe he is right about Far Cry. He seems like the most likely candidate (though hard bussing by hohum isn't out of the question).

Wait a second. Why would have investigating brothernature been a bad thing?

I thought it would be obvious. It is not what he did that leads me to suspect him, but what other people did.

To me there are four people that can be scum.
bn is obvious town. You lead the lynch for zwet, so I believe you are town.

Therefore it comes down to Far_Cry and Vp. Vp switched his vote in the final minutes of the day, to the scum. Therefore by elimination I believe Far_Cry is scum.

You're forgetting that scum could be have bussed his partner. Why? Becuase the only person alive who didn't vote for zwets is Brothernature. And brothernature is town.

Also, I do believe your case on me is weak. It makes no sense.

And here's another question: if I were scum, why would I need to buss my zwets? He was not under pressure; I place the first vote on him. It seems to me you're just trying to find reasons to lynch me.

Brothernature is town, and I'm inclined to believe that hohum is town, too. Either VP or hiphop is scum.

This post struck me as strange:

I guess I will start. I am a vanilla townie.

Do you really think that Hohum would Bus his partner? All he had to do was place the vote on me and we would be in lylo. The opportunity and motive for my lynch was there, yet he was willing to believe I was town. Yet it is a possibility.

No one asked him for his role. He could have easily made this up. True, you make think that since hiphop is relatively new to this site he wouldn't try this; however, you could also say vice-versa.

Because

he is new, he will use this to claim townie and try to shake of suspicion. I'd think that he tried the second.

I want to look more into VP; I will try to get some feedback to you (I have numerous projects and homework I have to do.)

[Far_Cry]

Yeah, cop should come out with his investigation as long as he didn't do something completely stupid like investigate brothernature. In fact, it might be best to do a popcorn mass claim to really put the pressure on the scum. Who is for and who is against this?

While I don't agree with everything hip hop said, I'm inclined to believe he is right about Far Cry. He seems like the most likely candidate (though hard bussing by hohum isn't out of the question).

Wait a second. Why would have investigating brothernature been a bad thing?

I thought it would be obvious. It is not what he did that leads me to suspect him, but what other people did.

To me there are four people that can be scum.
bn is obvious town. You lead the lynch for zwet, so I believe you are town.

Therefore it comes down to Far_Cry and Vp. Vp switched his vote in the final minutes of the day, to the scum. Therefore by elimination I believe Far_Cry is scum.

You're forgetting that scum could be have bussed his partner. Why? Becuase the only person alive who didn't vote for zwets is Brothernature. And brothernature is town.

You just answered your first question. If we know someone else is town we can narrow it down between two people.

As for your second question. I already explained that you must of bussed your partner.

I did not buss zwets. How are you so sure I did? Think about it this way: why would it be beneficial for me to get zwets lynched? I placed a vote on him because I thought he was scum (which he was.) You're trying to make everything sound so complicated, which it isin't

Also, I do believe your case on me is weak. It makes no sense.

And here's another question: if I were scum, why would I need to buss my zwets? He was not under pressure; I place the first vote on him. It seems to me you're just trying to find reasons to lynch me.

Exactly why you bussed zwet. He wasn’t under pressure, so it would be safe to put a vote there, without him being lynched. You could of left your vote there and when someone was ready to be lynched you can switch your vote.

But I never switched my vote, did I? I seriously thought zwets was scum, so I kept my vote. Tell me why zwets and I are connected (i.e. posts.)

In other words you're talking about a scenario that never happened. What you said would have been a valid suspicion last day; however, now its Day 2. Once again I never switched my vote, or ever wanted to do so to lynch someone else.

Brothernature is town, and I'm inclined to believe that hohum is town, too. Either VP or hiphop is scum.

Same conclusion I got, except that switch your name for mine.

Again, how are you so sure I'm scum? I want valid proof.

How soon people forget. Does post 266 ring a bell? I was at L-1. Does any of this sound familiar? Even I forgot this post. I remembered it right after I posted the post of the second time I had claimed.

What the hell are you talking about?

Anyways, hiphop is acting totally antitown. He's not helping at all. He's case on me is weak, with no evidence proof, etc. He is making everything way too complicated, and nothing he says makes sense.

Being more specific from earlier:

Did you breadcrumb your role?

I believe he did. I'm considering switching my vote.

I still want you to explain why brothernature breadcrumbing his vote (or so you believed) meant that you were going to switch your vote from zwet.


I did a reread of the last bit of yesterday to get a better feel of where we are at right now and what exactly happened to lead to zwet getting lynched. First, let me say that I think hiphop looks much more townish in hindsight of zwet flipping scum. hiphop was actively questioning him and questioning my neutral read on him.

Second, hiphop, you said this at the start of the day:

I believe it was Hohum, who turned Vp toward Zwet. Vp may have led the town, but it was because of Hohum that Zwet was lynched.

That's not actually true. Look back at page 11 and you will see hohum votes Far Cry after bn's claim and switches to zwet at the last minute only after I changed my vote. This could be a case of hohum buddying me and bussing his partner in the same post.

I believe I have this game cracked right now and it looks like hohum is the last scum, imo.

Also,

Far_Cry was the first vote on zwet.

he actually wasn't. You were the first vote, but a mod error in the vote count had him listed as first.

At first, I thought that bn simply breadcrummed his role. But when zwets turned up town, I knew he wasn't. I was considering changing my vote, but I decided to go against and use my gut instinct. Turns out that I was right.

To all those people that think I'm scum, let me ask you a question: why would I vote zwets, my partner? Give me a valid reason.

[Far_Cry]

look you're welcome to try and draw conclusions out of D1 if you want to but it's a mess to me. Perhaps your clarity of vision is better than mine. I'm open to suggestions right now. If you can convince me that something concrete can be extrapolated out of D1 then I'll go right along with you. In the mean time I'm going to try and generate fresh discussion.

Well, the way Day 1 went down might not be the best, but I don't think it's useless at all. We know for sure that zwet was bussed by his partner. That's a fact. From there, I think it is going to be useful to look at everyone's interactions with zwet and their reasons for voting him/the way in which they voted him. Obviously there is a lot of WIFOM involved, but I'm of the opinion that if you look at whose vote has the most scum motivation behind it, you are likely to find his partner.

why would it be beneficial for me to get zwets lynched?

It happened, so this is a horrible defense. The obvious reason is to appear more town by lynching scum.

I placed a vote on him because I thought he was scum

orly? Cause if I remember correctly, you voted him for pressure. Why did you think he was scum again?

Anyways, hiphop is acting totally antitown. He's not helping at all. He's case on me is weak, with no evidence proof, etc. He is making everything way too complicated, and nothing he says makes sense.

Ok, so what is the simple approach here? I don't see any argument above for who you think is scum.

At first, I thought that bn simply breadcrummed his role. But when zwets turned up town, I knew he wasn't.

I don't understand what you are saying here. Zwet did not turn up town. I'm confused. you know what a breadcrumb is, correct?

@hiphop, what makes you so certain I'm not the cop. I don't think outting the role is the best idea right now.

I did vote zwets for pressure. But I also had a slight suspicion he was scum. Obviously you'll call me off as scum now.

The simple approach is to analyse each player individually, and find REAL reasons why that person is scum. Look, I wasn't the only person on zwets' wagon. What about everyone else? Why isin't anyone else on the wagon scummy?

I made a typo on my last post. I meant to say that zwets was scum. I know what a breadcrum is.

[Far_Cry]

We must use the info that we have yesterday, because it is the only information that we have. We are still only one mislynch from lylo. Let’s use what we have. If you don’t like the info from yesterday look at what Far_Cry posted today.

To all those people that think I'm scum, let me ask you a question: why would I vote zwets, my partner? Give me a valid reason.

Why would VP vote his partner? Why would Hohum vote his partner? Why would I vote my partner? Somebody had to. Nobody has given a plausible reason yet. Yours and mine were the only ones early, when there wasn’t any pressure. That is why I suspect you the most. Maybe you voted to throw off suspicion. Maybe you did it, because you didn’t want to be seen fence sitting so close to the deadline. Maybe you did it because Vp told you to vote, and you wanted to vote for someone with a good reason and he was the best. Those are the only plausible reasons I can come up with.

Everything is maybe maybe maybe. How are you so sure I'm scum if everything is maybe?

And what makes you think either hohum or I are the cop?

[Far_Cry]

Our dear old doc could chime in too since we know he's innocent and at least wouldn't have any ulterior motives to his posts.

Wait a second. I thought you just said we shouldn't be looking for the cop, and that the cop shouldn't claim. So why should doc claim? So you can kill him the next night?

What you are saying, VP, makes no sense. Either you or hiphop are scum, and you look more plausible.

vote VP Baltar

[Far_Cry]

Our dear old doc could chime in too since we know he's innocent and at least wouldn't have any ulterior motives to his posts.

Wait a second. I thought you just said we shouldn't be looking for the cop, and that the cop shouldn't claim. So why should doc claim? So you can kill him the next night?

What you are saying, VP, makes no sense. Either you or hiphop are scum, and you look more plausible.

vote VP Baltar

bn is the doc. RTFT. I'll address the rest of your mess after I get my morning story out.

Bn probably is doc (I'm 100% he's town, though) but you never answered my question.

Everything is maybe maybe maybe. How are you so sure I'm scum if everything is maybe?

And what makes you think either hohum or I are the cop?

You are not contributing very much. You are very much lurking, You are content to sit around and let us argue. I too think you and our doc(bn) should contribute more. I guarentee bn will make it through the night. Since he will, he should start scum hunting now, and in case we mislynch have a fallback to attack. Whatever he does he should not attempt to save the cop, otherwise we will lose.

I am totally not lurking. At least I have a life, unlike you.

Anyhow, Far Cry, I'd still like you to answer my question to you after bn claimed when you said you were considering switching your vote off of zwet given the claim. I don't understand how those are related.

Did you ever answer this? If you did, I can't seem to find where.

Wait a second. I thought you just said we shouldn't be looking for the cop, and that the cop shouldn't claim. So why should doc claim? So you can kill him the next night?

I claimed doc a long time ago dude. Yesterday when I was at L-1. Pay attention dude.

Regarding that first question, I thought that scummy, untrue claim. However, I decided to keep myself in check and keep my vote on zwets. When Day 2 started, I went back and realized that you really are town.

I misread what VP said. I thought he was looking for a claim, but he was actually referring to you (I just got confused.)

[Far_Cry]

Whatever he does he should not attempt to save the cop, otherwise we will lose.

Yeah, I'm sure he knows that he cannot protect the cop.

Which is why he should save someone who has no chance of being the cop.

I am totally not lurking.

Let's see about that.

At first, I thought that bn simply breadcrummed his role. But when zwets turned up town, I knew he wasn't. I was considering changing my vote, but I decided to go against and use my gut instinct. Turns out that I was right.

If you had a chance to change your vote, than you had a chance to make a post, which means you were reading the thread after you made your last post of day1. Therefore you were lurking. Plus you are not actually scumhunting at all today.

Well than, hiphop. If I'm lurking, that means you are lurking, too. I am helping town and scum hunting, and if you don't like the way I play, frankly, I don't give a fuck.

hiphop, what do you think of the points I made about hohum?

I know you didn't ask me, but I will post my thoughts anyways.

Your reasons for voting hohum are pretty valid. However, gut feeling tells me he is town. It's hard to explain but it's just what I think. I need to get a read on you, hiphop, and hohum, as you three are the only candidates for scum.

[Far_Cry]

Ok, here's a quick review on hohum:

He was lurking D1, and whenever he posted, he only posted like 1 sentence or so.

Here's is perhaps his most important post of D1:

A large part of my demotivation has to do with his presence in this game. I requested that this setup be run again and I was /in the game before he was. When I saw he signed up I asked him not to /in himself; however, he knows the mod IRL.

I just simply don't like him, for better or worse. He's an automatic policy lynch for me.

There's no reason other than meta that I prefer a zwet lynch to a hiphop lynch. My reads on hiphop are pretty null.

I actively dislike zwet, to the point that I don't really care if he flips town or not. He needs to be bounced out of this game.

unvote, vote zwet

This is kind of hard to read. My first impression is town, but on a second look through, it looks like he maybe perhaps hiding something.

Therefore, for the moment,

unvote

. I need to do more reading.

[Far_Cry]

I went and looked at hiphop's other games. One thing I've noticed is that when he is townie, he plays safe, and doesn't come out of his shell. He's doing the exact opposite. He is attacking everyone, common of newb scum.

Your reasons for voting hohum are pretty valid. However, gut feeling tells me he is town. It's hard to explain but it's just what I think

What are your feelings on the case he made against me? I am looking forward to you reading the three of us in iso and giving your opinions.

I will try to get back on this, when I have time.

[Far_Cry]

Alright. I first looked through OGM (which VP replaced.) For the time he was here, it looked like he was town.

VP has voted or attacked almost every person in the game. Now, I know VP isnt a newb, so i wouldnt automatically call this off as scum activity, but at the very least, its strange.

VP's read will take longer; sry I'm at school now and have to move classes. I'll try to say more when I have time.

[Far_Cry]

What is strange about having a wide attack? Town members do not know who is scum and therefore have to question most everyone to build accurate reads.

There's nothing wrong about a wide attack, but voting every single person in the game is at the very least strange.

A large part of my demotivation has to do with his presence in this game. I requested that this setup be run again and I was /in the game before he was. When I saw he signed up I asked him not to /in himself; however, he knows the mod IRL.

I just simply don't like him, for better or worse. He's an automatic policy lynch for me.

There's no reason other than meta that I prefer a zwet lynch to a hiphop lynch. My reads on hiphop are pretty null.

I actively dislike zwet, to the point that I don't really care if he flips town or not. He needs to be bounced out of this game.

unvote, vote zwet

I believe that he really doesn't like zwet, so I could definitely see him as scum just bussing him for the hell of it.

This is the only part of your case I like. If anything will convince me that hohum is scum, this quote will.

I went and looked at hiphop's other games. One thing I've noticed is that when he is townie, he plays safe, and doesn't come out of his shell. He's doing the exact opposite. He is attacking everyone, common of newb scum.

How many of my games did you read? Perhaps you had better take another look. Besides there are only two games in which you can confirm my role anyways. And those were my first two games on this site. Sorry can't quote any because they are all still on going. Look on my wiki, for all the games I have played in.

Then you come back with this statement.

VP has voted or attacked almost every person in the game.

We both can’t be scum, and yet you say we both are doing the exact same scummy thing. That’s strange.

I know you can't both me scum. Don't try to call me stupid. That's why I'm trying to figure out who is. Scummy actions is something that makes one believe that one is scum; its simple: however has more scummy actions, is probably scum.

By the way, 2 games, whether their your first or not, are enough to find out about one's playing style.

[Far_Cry]

Ok, I think I can answer this question:

Your reasons for voting hohum are pretty valid. However, gut feeling tells me he is town. It's hard to explain but it's just what I think

What are your feelings on the case he made against me? I am looking forward to you reading the three of us in iso and giving your opinions.

Hohum has presented a mediocore case at best. He hasn't really given enough reasons to call you off as scum. Earlier this day, he voted hiphop and went on to put him under heavy fire. He did have valid reasons to vote hiphop; he had put up a very bad case against me, and was acting generally as newb scum. However, his switch to you didn't make sense in my eyes.

So therefore, I need to say the following things and ask some questions:

@hohum: Give me a bullet list on your reasons for voting VP.
Also, what are your thoughts now on hiphop?

@VP: Who is your prime suspect?

@Brothernature: Who is your prime suspect? What are your thoughts on hiphop? What do you think about the hohum/VP argument?

@Hiphop: Other than me, who's your next biggest suspect? What are your thoughts on the hohum/VP argument?

After these questions are answered, I will place down my vote.

[Far_Cry]

Mod

: Can we get a prod on Brothernature?

[Far_Cry]

@VP: Who is your prime suspect?

Hohum, obviously. Like I said, I think I have this setup cracked right now.

Also before you place your vote, simple yes or no, do you think the cop should claim today?

Hmmmm. Interesting question. See, the problem with the cop claiming is that he will most likely be a scum kill tonight, that is if we don't find scum today. However, in such a situation as this, when we know that bn is town but not cop, a claim for me or the other three (hiphop, VP, or hohum) could help town catching scum.

I'm sure you guys already know, but

I claim cop

.

[Far_Cry]

yep I was right.

And I'm sure your investigation result was a not guilty on brothernature, amiright?

Which narrows the pool down to hiphop (which is why I insisted on trying to get him to drop more tells, because I don't have a good read on him) and Baltar (who is intensely scummy looking to me right now)

yes

P.S. I really wish you hadn't wasted your investigation on an uncounterclaimed doc.

I didn't believe him at first. I just have something with claims.

[Far_Cry]

I guess you targeted Bn being you said he was town.

Now I am starting to have misgivings about Vp. The reason is because Hohum is the one who said the cop should not claim, even though he knew who it was from post 288. Vp on the other hand came into day two not quite agreeing with everything I said. So,

unvote
Vote VP Baltar.

This will also correct Sironigous votecount because he said I am voting for him anyways.

Not too long ago you thought hohum was scum. Why do you keep switching your vote?

[Far_Cry]

Not too long ago you thought hohum was scum. Why do you keep switching your vote?

Because I cna't make up my mind. One day I think it is Hohum, the next time I read the thread it is Vp that sticks out. I noticed you haven't voted yet, is it because you can't make up your mind either?

Ya, I can't, but you are always jumping around.

I guess you targeted Bn being you said he was town.

Now I am starting to have misgivings about Vp. The reason is because Hohum is the one who said the cop should not claim, even though he knew who it was from post 288. Vp on the other hand came into day two not quite agreeing with everything I said. So,

unvote
Vote VP Baltar.

This will also correct Sironigous votecount because he said I am voting for him anyways.

I'm confused why you're voting me. Do explain.


I figured Far Cry was the cop as well with his obvious "why shouldn't a cop have investigated bn", but I held some hope that I or someone else would be able to draw the nk and make it easy. Eventually it became obvious that wasn't going to happen.

@hohum, what exactly was there for me to respond to there? when do you plan on responding to the actual case presented against you instead of hiding behind baseless accusations against me?

I'm vanilla, btw. I take it hohum isn't dumb enough scum to counter claim a cop.

Nobody hammer me until hohum explains himself. I also want hiphop to make his case. I was pretty sure he was town, but that quick switching in vote after the cop claim strikes me as odd.

I've noticed it, too. Sounds like he jumped off becuase he was afraid of looking scummy after I claimed cop (that it, if he kept his vote on me.)

I promised I would vote after my questions were answered, by now its still a little too complicated. I bouncing back and forth between who I think is scum. At the moment (and this might change tomorrow), here is my order in who is mostly likely scum:

1. hiphop
2. hohum
3. VP

@Brothernature: You need to come down here and help us catch scum.

[Far_Cry]

@Far Cry-hiphop was actually voting for hohum just before you claimed cop. That's partially why I'm confused. I can see him unvoting you if you claimed cop, but I don't understand why your claim suddently made him think I'm more scummy than hohum.

re:brothernature-I'm sure he'll be around soon. Don't forget that he had his tests today or whatever.

I'm just saying that this game is hard without him, as its really hard to settle disputes now while everyone is attacking each other.

[Far_Cry]

Ok, I've made my decision.

I went back and looked at the attacking and voting patterns of VP and hiphop. VP had a wide spread attack D1, while hiphop attacked me most of D1. D2, VP started to focus on and attack hohum, while hiphop started hopping.

To me, it looks like VP's play is more town; hiphop just sounds too much like scum.

vote hiphop

. I would like to see what reaction hiphop has.

Hohum, for some reason strikes me as more townish. He obviously has scummy things going his way, but I think hiphop and VP have more scummy things.

Srry, that I can't go more in depth on everyone; I have two speeches (including a reasearch paper and powerpoint) town next week plus an essay. I will try to contribute as much as I can.

[Far_Cry]

@hiphop: I changed my list because I had a change of mind. At first, I believed that VP was more town than the 3, but I had a change of mind. I now believe that either you or VP is the last scum; you are the more likely suspect.

[Far_Cry]

Far Cry, what exactly makes you believe hohum is town other than attacking hiphop? He hasn't exactly done any scumhunting of note today, nor has he responded to the points I made against him. I may not be seeing what you are.

Wait a second. Here is something that I have noticed:

I'm not ready to claim yet because I still have more to say; however I don't have time for a long and involved post at the moment.

I'm trying as hard as I can to not to drop this game for a second time, but I've gotten busy again this week. On top of a hectic work schedule, I'm also trying to adjust to a polyphasic sleep schedule so I'm barely even coherent at this point in time.

He was at L-1 (I think), yet, he doesn't claim becuase "I still have more to say." I think he's said everything, yet he still hasn't claimed.

What I'm saying is that since I'm an uncounterclaimed cop, and bn is the uncounterclaimed doc, he may have been very well afraid to claim.

This puts him at the top of my list. Srry that I keep changing my mind; when I take varying stances on people, I come up with different reads and different results.

Unvote, vote hohum

. It's seriously time for you to claim.

[Far_Cry]

Unvote, vote hohum

. It's seriously time for you to claim.

Who is hopping now?

Ok, ok you got me. So we're both hopping. But both of us should stop.

Fix'd

[Far_Cry]

my schedule is sinking me again. I'm also dead tired.

I'll try and get a bliurry-eyed post up today.

Please, I would like reason for me to switch my vote.

[Far_Cry]

vote:hohum

Interesting move. I would like to see what hohum flips up. He didn't provide any defense.

By the way, I'm gonna die tonight if hohum flips town, so I would like to say goodbye for now.

[Far_Cry]

Good game town.

I was distracted all game long. I hardly played as well as I could, and baltar saw right through me.

good job on the flawless victory.

I hope this is true.

Anyways, I wouldn't call this my best game, but I was surprised that I was able to defend myself when I came under fire, something that I usually suck at.

I'm also surprised that I caught 2 scum

[Far_Cry]

Yep, this would have been a near flawless game for me had I not investigated bn. Whatever, we still won!

Last Man Standing (I'm still tweaking the flavor so this is a rough draft)

Synopsis:

The year is 1879. The height of westward expansion has reached its peak. Some citizens have taken up residence in a little desert stop-over which bodes a high paying, fast-paced life style; however, where there's money there's also questionable morales! A ruthless gang of Cowboys is trying to take over all your businesses and worst of all your sheriff is in on it.

It's up to you to take back what's yours, even if by force! Just try not to kill everyone else in the process.

/pre-in for this. I would love to play.

Ah. Excellent. First town win. Look forward to playing with ya again Far_Cry in Mini 859. Good game to all, and to all a good game.

Oh, yes. We still have our adventure there, too