Mini 816: Revenge of the Monkey(GAME OVER!)

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I'll be reading and hopefully getting a decent post in by tomorrow.

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Apologies, my weekend has been exhausting, I'll reread again tomorrow, but I do find the interaction between Dev/Konowa interesting, and will be the focus of my reread.

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Between Dev or Konowa, I'm far more likely to believe Konowa at this point. Dev has played a fairly scummy game, and I don't see any real reason to doubt a counterclaim on D1. I'm not a particular fan of waiting until D2 to CC, but I can also see the breadcrumbs from Konowa, especially after Dev's claim. Charlatan was a very strange investigation choice, and trying to slip out of giving us any more information. I strongly suggest a Dev lynch today, with Konowa giving his investigation results before the night. If Dev is scum, then Konowa should be protected (if we have a protective role); or if, for some strange reason, Dev's actually town, Konowa should die tonight if we have a vig, or tomorrow by lynch.

I'm more than willing to vote/hammer once we've gotten more discussion out of today, but I'm not comfortable with putting my vote on in case a probable scumbuddy/self-hammer comes in for the quick hammer to prevent more discussion.

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One, there is no way Devestation is the cop. Two, if Devestation flips vanilla I see no reason why I should be vigged or lynched. Vanilla has no reason whatsoever to claim power roles.

I only know my own role, and while I'm fairly certain (especially with a self-vote like that) that Dev is fakeclaiming scum, I have to question things I don't know for certain.

If Dev flips vanilla, then he deserves the lynch anyway for being anti-town and rolefishing. I would hope that, should this extremely rare scenario happen, that a vig would be smart enough to not kill you.

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VOTE:Devestation

Game isn't gonna move on without him lynched.

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I thought Sajin's vote lynched him. It looks like Scott bought dramonic's vote?

It's quite possible. Could have bought Dev's vote too though.

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Based solely on his play today, I'd consider a Dramonic lynch.

I'm also interested in hearing Konowa's investigation results, since they can help us hunt scum by lynching scum/removing town from lynching.

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Well, clearly that would make a mafia RB. I'm not completely convinced dra is faking yet.

Dramonic: Who'd you target N1?

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also

vote: Konowa

You are lying, sir.

This, although I can see why you'd be convinced of it, is quite scummy. I highly doubt that Konowa is faking anything.

VOTE:dramonic

Die scum die.

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I like the "die scum die" comment for an extra distancing attempt. Nice touch.

Gotta keep trying to tie me down to him? That way when your scumbuddy dies, you can push me tomorrow?

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How do you explain getting a guilty on a vanilla Konowa?

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UNVOTE

I thought it was really off that Konowa would get a guilty on a VT, although, he could have technically also been non-sane. Although, he is now mod-confirmed investigative role (most likely cop at this point...) and certainly town.

I find Sajin to be town right now. I was suspicious of the possibility of outing masons, but ryan making the notion that Sajin was town from the QT makes it sound particularly interesting. Thus, I find ryan suspicious now, especially for not hesitating to say that you were unconfirmed and for a rather strange time to claim as well.

FOS:Ryan

I'm not a huge fan of MME's play today. Definitely sounded like a desperate scum ploy to take advantage of a mod error.

I want to hear some from the underspoken Pim/Ani as well.

For now,

VOTE:MME

as I find him scummiest.

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Unvote; Vote:NL

Only because there's a better chance of finding scum based on another NK.

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Because godfather talk is WIFOM.

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VOTE:Ani

If you're telling the truth, you'll only hurt us if we mislynch today.

If you're lying, then we don't have to worry about another mislynch.

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Ani - Isn't going to help the town as long as he's alive.

MME - Neutral, but probably a good choice for tomorrow if Ani isn't scum.

Ryan - Also a likely choice for tomorrow if Ani isn't scum.

Sajin - Most likely town to me right now.

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Also, now that I've said that, if I don't get lynched, there's a high probability of me dieing tonight, if scum is reasonably smart.

I completely disagree. I'd think scum would want you alive to scapegoat you tomorrow if you aren't lynched today. Then again, I don't think you should be allowed to see tomorrow, since you're most likely scum right now.

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Well, honestly, right now I don't like how the two masons/neighbors are the other two alive, because there's not really much hope in picking apart any role information from that. Right now, I'm leaning Ryan. I'm probably going to reread both of you in iso before I fully decide.

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I thought that the survivor claim was scummy because, while I could easily see Ani being town, I was also concerned that him being around today would end up in a fairly easy mislynch.

As for my win condition, I have sent a paraphrase to the mod in order to confirm that it will fall under a paraphrase, and not a PM quote.

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My personal win condition is very similar to dramonic's, and Charlatan's to a degree. Thus, I find charter scummy for trying to push dramonic in post 302.

Of all the win conditions, Dev's is most lacking, and thus the most suspicious given my own condition.

Found this gem in my nth reread.

Any response to that?

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MOD:

I will be V/LA through 8/29/09. Due to this circumstance, I request a deadline extension.

Ryan: I am asking how we're supposed to take the quoted material, especially now knowing that Dramonic/Devestation both turned out to be scum.

Sajin: Any questions besides the win condition one of which I haven't answered? Since you all beat that to death D1, I find it funny that you would bring it up again at LyLo.

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I killed Coug because I figured you were a likely Doc, and I wanted to make sure Konowa wouldn't have a protection. Personally, I think that we did have a slight advantage in having both a RB/GF, but we lost it when the mod made the error. If I'd have come up innocent the first time, then I think I'd have been fine making it to endgame. I can't say I blame it entirely on the mod, because the town had a lot of good players on it (I was worried most about Konowa/Charlatan). I was hoping that the gamble of killing MME would turn the two of you on each other. I'm honestly surprised that I managed to take this to LyLo. Thanks for the game, and next time make sure to double-check investigations.