Mini 811: Foggy Londontown Mafia - Over!
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No offense but that sounds lame.kikuchiyo wrote:Your uncalled for defense of FC is noted.
kiku, mokina is not trying to protect me; she actually has some truth in what she says. u on the other hand ar making this more complicated than it is.
i'm not tryin to protect mokina at all; i hav no relations with her. you, on the other hand, ar attempting to exploit me and/or mokina; u ar trying to make us both suspicious and seem like mafia partners. I find that suspicious.
wat also really interests me is why iamausername and lowell hav kept their votes on me and talked about. it makes no sense, since the votes sounded random.
hero also draws suspicion for not contributing much to the discussion.
however i want to here the defenses of these people before i make a vote.-
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To explain, when I said Lowell is lurking and suspicious, I don't knowwhyhe was lurking. An internet problem? Nothing to say? However, you have to question all lurkers. You can't simply let it go. Therefore, when I said he was suspicious, I meant that perhaps there is something fishy going on.
And however said I had "noobish reactions" cuz its my 1st game, is wrong. I've actually played like 10 complete games. God, I must be getting rusty.-
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I wasn't rly trying to pull out the noob card. I'm jus playin my game.dank wrote:
Why say that? I can understand pointing out its your first game when you're new and want to be given some slack, since you're not too sure what's expected yet. But now, since your bragging that you've had 10 complete games, why were you trying to pull the noob card?Far_Cry wrote:vote Lowellfor picking on a first time player on this site.[/b]
Also, if you are indeed an experienced player as you say, then perhaps I shouldn't discount your behavior as "nooby". As i've said in my earlier post, your behavior has been suspicious.
Wat doesn't make sense to me is why Hero and Mokina were being "not hostile" towards me, trying to answer questions directed at me. I understand they hav cleared themseleves, but this sort behavior is somewhat erratic, to put it that way.-
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My stances on people in this game:
dank- it seems like u and hero ar out to kill each other. i cant read u either.
Hero764- makes himself sound good and bad with just about every post. for now, I cant read him.
iamausername- suspicious. has kept a vote on me throughout the day without much explanation.
kikuchiyo- votes and unvotes a lot. can u make up ur mind?? this draws some suspicion.
Lowell- can only crap-talk. still suspicious in my opinion.
Mokina- has had some strange, erratic behavior, which makes her somewhat suspicious, so she is basically half n half.
nadroj15- hasn't said much. neutral for now.
Neferenom- neutral, but its hard to say something.
qwints- neutral, but hasn't been on the spotlight a whole lot.
Tenchi- to tell the truth, she draws a lot of suspicion. she has that kinda, stay out of the way attitude.
Wiirdo- no idea. hasnt said much.
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I don't hav anything against iamausername; it just annoys me that she persists on starting something on me.qwints wrote:tl;dr on the Hero v. dank argument.
Far_Cry, I don't quite understand the point of saying that you can't read, have no idea or are neutral on players - especially when that's over half the town. Town lists are generally a bad idea because they can basically turn into a To Kill list for the scum. As for your suspicions, do you have anything against iamusername besides OMGUS?
I want to see Mokina's response to kiku calling her out on a contradiction.
@Lowell, nadroj, and Wiirdo - post more.
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To tell the truth, this argument between kiku and hero is just about pointless. U guys ar goin back and forth with no end in sight (well u guys at least finally agreed to somethin.)
To tell the truth, I still find Lowell throughly suspicious, but I'm gonna keep my vote on Tenchi until she finally defends herself.-
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Um, Wiirdo, I'm not sure if this is ur 1st game, but this sounds strange. U urself hav been lurking (a little), and then go and vote for someone else doing the same.Wiirdo wrote:Vote:Lowellfor active lurking and suspicious posts.
Kinda sounds mafiaish.
Meanwhile,unvoteObviously Tenchi will be gone (I mean, is gone). No point trying to get something out of him/her.
iamausername, why do u keep goin on about my earlier statement about my experience in mafia? In jus about every post u hav to somehow attack me.
Oh and Lowell, shut up. If u dont hav anything reasonable to say, don't say it. U make urself look rly retarded.
And kiku, u ALWAYS hav the longest posts. u hav to say something for just about everything, huh?
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Excuse me dank? I'm lurking just as much as Lowell? Wat the hell??dank wrote:Post 52:Far_Cry wrote:unvoteLowell islurking and is suspicious, but I'll hold back on my vote for now.
Its suspicious when someone other than you says "lurking and suspicious"?Far_Cry wrote:
Um, Wiirdo, I'm not sure if this is ur 1st game, but this sounds strange. U urself hav been lurking (a little), and then go and vote for someone else doing the same.Wiirdo wrote:Vote:Lowellfor active lurking and suspiciousposts.
Kinda sounds mafiaish.
Meanwhile,unvoteObviously Tenchi will be gone (I mean, is gone). No point trying to get something out of him/her.
iamausername, why do u keep goin on about my earlier statement about my experience in mafia? In jus about every post u hav to somehow attack me.
Oh and Lowell, shut up. If u dont hav anything reasonable to say, don't say it. U make urself look rly retarded.
And kiku, u ALWAYS hav the longest posts. u hav to say something for just about everything, huh?
My biggest suspicions: Lowell and Wiirdo
FC: You're suspicious of Lowell for lurking, yet aren't you lurking just as much?
To tell the truth, dank, I didn't say that wat I said about Lowell wasn't wrong; it just that in the atmosphere this game has come to, and Wiirdo not contributing to the discussion, it sounds strange.
Mokina obviously slipped up and made herself very suspicious (and i have to say she is too), but the points brought up about kiku ar pretty true, and kiku has said some very strange things, that makes herself look suspicious.
Is that a joke? I'm just telling the truthHero764 wrote:U make urself look rly retarded.
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To tell the truth, perhaps Lowell is not so suspicious. I'm rly not sure wat kind of game hes playin. Hes makin himselftoo scummy, if u know wat I mean. Obviously, he wouldn't be doin such stupid stuff if he was mafia. I still hav to say he's suspicious, but I will leave him for later.
Meanwhile, nadroj, ur agreeing with just about everything everyone says, including ur last post. It looks like ur trying to be "the good guy" and trying to get everyone on ur side. I'm not falling for it.vote nadroj15-
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I'm not denying that Lowell isin't scum; its just that hes playing some game that makes no sense.Mokina wrote:Haha, FC caught it while I was writing.
I have a few disagreements here. The "too scummy" fallacy is a lot like Too Townie ... if someone's walking and talking quite blatantly like a mafia member, they probably are. I have also noticed the pretty obvious WIFOM in "he wouldn't be doin such stupid stuff if he was mafia," and it shouldn't be treated as decisive either way.Far_Cry wrote:Hes makin himself too scummy, if u know wat I mean. Obviously, he wouldn't be doin such stupid stuff if he was mafia. I still hav to say he's suspicious, but I will leave him for later.
Lowell could totally be scum. Nadro could be scum too. Not sure which to choose, but I will do a post review.-
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@nadroj and hero:
I'm not trying to take both sides on the Lowell argument. What I'm saying is he's still suspicious, but not quite as suspicious as I thought him before. See wat I mean?
And I'm sick of this. I've got a quite a few people jumping on my for "scummy posts," and complain about me "not contributing a lot." What about everyone else not contributing much? Lowell? Wiirdo? Tenchi? Nadroj? It seems to me that you guys are making some sort of excuse to jump on my back and pull me down.-
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WOW nadroj. U hav got to be serious. U ar 1 of the people that jump on just about every thing I say, then jump on the bandwagon to lynch me. WTH??
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U obviously know from previous posts why Lowell is suspicious, and u know yourself why Nadroj is scummy. Wiirdo has only made a few statements and all of them ar certainly just trying to "ride the wave." True, me saying that Lowell is "suspicious and lurking" was certainly stupid, but him saying it in that situation was even more stupid. Tenchi has contributed nearly. Kiku has jumping on quite a few people including me, attacking nearly all of me and those people's posts. Dank has made some very strange comments, but at this point, I wouldn't say he is as suspicious as I thought him before.
Just now I noticed qwint's post (no. 283) is certainly odd. Strange how everyone is jumping on my back and then not questioning others for making worthless posts.
And if u look, nadroj got real suspicious of me, but only voted after 2 other people voted. Seriously, explain yourself.-
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How the hell am I susposed to believe that? Let me ask you, why didn't you then vote for me right away, huh? Why did you vote for me only 2 hours later, after there has been 2 votes on me? Answer that.nadroj15 wrote:
The bolded parts bother me. The first one, what the heck is that supposed to mean? I call you out on what you say, and then vote you. And your point is?Far_Cry wrote:WOW nadroj.U hav got to be serious. U ar 1 of the people that jump on just about every thing I say, then jump on the bandwagon to lynch me.WTH??
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U obviously know from previous posts why Lowell is suspicious, and u know yourself why Nadroj is scummy. Wiirdo has only made a few statements and all of them ar certainly just trying to "ride the wave." True, me saying that Lowell is "suspicious and lurking" was certainly stupid, but him saying it in that situation was even more stupid. Tenchi has contributed nearly. Kiku has jumping on quite a few people including me, attacking nearly all of me and those people's posts. Dank has made some very strange comments, but at this point, I wouldn't say he is as suspicious as I thought him before.
Just now I noticed qwint's post (no. 283) is certainly odd. Strange how everyone is jumping on my back and then not questioning others for making worthless posts.
And if u look, nadroj got real suspicious of me, but only voted after 2 other people voted. Seriously, explain yourself.
Got real suspicious of you? I asked you a question which you did not answer very well. It was that fact that made me suspicious of you, and then when I read the non-post, it sealed the deal.-
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Very true, I have to say.Hero764 wrote:Would you guys stop making analysis's of everyone? Scum is going to look at these lists and lynch the one everyone thinks is pro-town so we gain as little info as possible.
Lowell, very interesting suspicion list, but somehow, to tell the truth, I think that you only think I'm town because I loosened my attack on you. If I'm wrong, then explain yourself.
Kiku, u see very interested in lynching me. You REALLY want my head. Tell me, what are your thoughts on nadroj? I mean, you obviously don't think he's suspicious.
@Tenchi: 0.o When did we start awarding points to players?-
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Really, I have to say tha kiku is playing a game I don't understand. She wants me dead, REALLY wants me dead, and doesn't want to post her comments about nadroj. Connection? Maybe? Scummy? Not neccessarily.
And strangely, I don't find kiku all that suspicious anymore.
Mafia wouldn't so openly push for a lynch like she does. I do suspect perhaps she is mason, but I'm really torn 50/50 about it.-
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To answer your 1st question, its not crazy defense. I found her suspicious before, but not so much anymore. So your saying that if I think someone is town, it's suspicious?Hero764 wrote:Woah, crazy FC defense of kiku?
Why not?Mafia wouldn't so openly push for a lynch like she does.
So you think there's more than one mason faction in this game? That sounds like and irrational assumption to me. Don't you think she would've claimed by now considering she loves day 1 mason claims?I do suspect perhaps she is mason, but I'm really torn 50/50 about it.
To answer your second question, I think it would be stupid on the mafia's part to do somethin like that.
Since when would there be 2 mason factions?? I'm not claiming that.
Although it's early (and perhaps stupid), isin't pehaps logically to assume there's an actor in this game? Or perhaps a survivor or Joker? Pehaps even a cult master?-
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NO smart mafia person will openly push a lynch so much. To say, if I was kiku and I was mafia, I would NOT do that. I'm not crazy protecting Mokina. I am sick and tired of this shit that you can say someone is not suspicious. LOTS of other people have done it. You don't latch on them?Hero764 wrote:
Way to avoid the entire question. WHY would it be stupid?To answer your second question, I think it would be stupid on the mafia's part to do somethin like that.
Well she isn't in with me and Mokina so I don't see what you mean.Since when would there be 2 mason factions?? I'm not claiming that.
Where is this coming from?Although it's early (and perhaps stupid), isin't pehaps logically to assume there's an actor in this game? Or perhaps a survivor or Joker? Pehaps even a cult master?
I understand you're claiming that your mason, but, call me stupid, I'm not taking it.
And about your last question, those are my suspicions about some of the roles in this game. And well, I suck at mafia, so everyone is just gonna think I'm a retard.-
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Answer this, if you were kiku and you were mafia, would you push so openly for a lynch on me?Hero764 wrote:
Why the hell are you so reluctant to give a concrete explanation? This doesn't answer my question at all.Far_Cry wrote:NO smart mafia person will openly push a lynch so much.
The fact that you think she would be a mason(when there is already one faction more or less confirmed) over scum is ridiculous. You're assuming the more irrational of the two explanation, that's why I called it "crazy" defending(albeit crazy probably wasn't the right word).I'm not crazy protecting Mokina. I am sick and tired of this shit that youcan'tsay someone is not suspicious. LOTS of other people have done it. You don't latch on them?
Care to explain why not?I understand you're claiming that your mason, but, call me stupid, I'm not taking it.
And I'm not taking claims for ANY role on day 1. I don't care if you claim mason, cop, doctor, or McFuckAss. I just can't take it.
And I realized a made a mistake in what I said before. I bolded it.-
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I don't know. If I were mafia, I wouldn't push so much for a lynch.Hero764 wrote:
I don't see why not. Everyone has expressed suspicions of you, so it isn't like she's taking a huge risk or anything. Scum want to lynch just as much as townies.Far_Cry wrote:Answer this, if you were kiku and you were mafia, would you push so openly for a lynch on me?
Why not?And I'm not taking claims for ANY role on day 1. I don't care if you claim mason, cop, doctor, or McFuckAss. I just can't take it.
To answer your second question, I don't want to take that kind of stuff. I'm cautious when comes to people claiming that their something. Just my style of play.
@Wiirdo: What are your thoughts on other people. Or do you think they are all innocent. In all of these 15 pages, all u hav talked about is me, Nadroj, and Lowell.-
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Wiirdo, your last attack one 1 of posts (the 3rd one), doesn't make much sense to me. You attack me for pushing blame on nadroj, and then say, "But, maybe nadroj is suspicious?" What do you find suspicious about him? And really, you have to choose. Either me or him.Wiirdo wrote:
This here is scummy to me because it feels like he is trying to push the blame off himself.Far_Cry wrote:@nadroj and hero:
I'm not trying to take both sides on the Lowell argument. What I'm saying is he's still suspicious, but not quite as suspicious as I thought him before. See wat I mean?
And I'm sick of this. I've got a quite a few people jumping on my for "scummy posts," and complain about me "not contributing a lot." What about everyone else not contributing much? Lowell? Wiirdo? Tenchi? Nadroj? It seems to me that you guys are making some sort of excuse to jump on my back and pull me down.
This is the worst type of scumhunting. I don't mind who he picked, but it's the fact that he picked 5 people and then done a little maybe, maybe not to absolve himself of any responsibility is pretty fishy.Far_Cry wrote:@hero:
Nadroj and Wiirdo are my biggest suspicions, with Lowell, kiku, and dank not all too far behind.
Obviously, all five cant be mafia, but, at this point, its hard to pick out which of those 5 are. Or maybe I'm wrong, and somebody else is mafia, but I'm pretty sure of my decisions.
Uhh, that first paragraph makes no sense. It is completely normal to question somebodie's posts and then vote for them.Far_Cry wrote:WOW nadroj. U hav got to be serious. U ar 1 of the people that jump on just about every thing I say, then jump on the bandwagon to lynch me. WTH??
And if u look, nadroj got real suspicious of me, but only voted after 2 other people voted. Seriously, explain yourself.
And if you notice the last part, he tries to push the blame on somebody else again.
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Ah fuck. You have got to be serious. ITS MY PLAYING STYLE HERO! DEAL WITH IT!Hero764 wrote:
WHY NOT?Far_Cry wrote:I don't know. If I were mafia, I wouldn't push so much for a lynch.
Why are you still so cautious, even though me and Mokina "confirmed" eachother. And if you think we're lying, why the hell aren't you voting one of us?To answer your second question, I don't want to take that kind of stuff. I'm cautious when comes to people claiming that their something. Just my style of play.
I find others more suspicious than you and Mokina. And, I don't know. Maybe one of you is a Joker? How am I supposed to know?-
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I don't want to fully explain my playing style; who know who could use it?Hero764 wrote:
What's so hard about explaining your playstyle?Far_Cry wrote:Ah fuck. You have got to be serious. ITS MY PLAYING STYLE HERO! DEAL WITH IT!
You find others more suspicious? If you think we lied then obviously we would be scumbuddies. If you think we're Jokers then don't you think you would've claimed Jokers?I find others more suspicious than you and Mokina. And, I don't know. Maybe one of you is a Joker? How am I supposed to know?
Start making sense plz.
Well... I'm just saying that, if I were mafia, pushing so openly for a lynch would be against my playing style. I mean, if I were mafia, I wouldn't want to draw so much attention. Who would want to? As mafia, I would contribute, but not try to be SO open and draw suspicion to myself.
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Hero asked me to explain my playstyle, and I did, as best I could, with out giving away too much.Tenchi wrote:I am reading this last page right now and I feel like Far_Cry is being too cautious and passive aggressive in scum hunting. Saying suspects, no reasons, not much proof, no follow up questions. Reading his posts, he has the habit of throwing names as "suspicious" or drawing a "lot of suspicion" without proof or support for his claims.
His explanation in 359 is WIFOM. What if's don't serve anything especially if it is a talk about playstyles. I don't give a damn about how he or anyone plays. Meta means nothing. And how he is so far playing is not only scummy but extremely unhelpful.
And what the hell is a Joker? Where did THAT come from?
Far_Cry has not answered most of the inquiries posted against him (even if I reiterated it in my long big posts lately).
Also, Far_Cry's inconsistencies in typing (he'd type perfectly one post, then type like a retard in another) is annoying, but that is beside the point.
Oh yes. I confused myself. It's not a Joker but a Jester.-
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Wow. I must rly suck. Thats just about wat everyone says. Looks like my playingstyle must take a major overhaul.Hero764 wrote:
I guess. He hasn't been as bad in this game as in others though.Harsh, dude. He's not that bad.
I don't think his (arguably?) bad playstyle is any indication of scumminess though.-
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From my understanding of wat u said, kiku, I'm a worthless piece of shit that needs to be thrown out the window for the sake of yourself and others. Seems to me ur attempting to push a mislynch.kikuchiyo wrote:
No. You don't know that. You are masons with Mokina, remember?Hero wrote:Yeah because I didn't know if CJMiller was just an idiot in general or if he was just acting incredibly scummy. I know FC is just an idiot in general, and there's no reason to lynch him just based on his playstyle.
Why would the bolded worry you if you are not scum? Also, why would the bolded worry you one bit if you think FC is town? i.e. if he flips town, SC has said that would most likely clear you, if he flips scum then town would have lynched scum on day 1. What's the part that "worries" you? That you will be under scrutiny tomorrow if town nails scum day 1. Seems like a worthwhile trade off to me. Not wanting to lynch scum to keep yourself out of the limelight is something scum does. Please explain this.Hero wrote:Besides FC's meta, which makes nadroj much scummier, the bolded worries me.
I remember this game. Town won. FC isn't exactly in the same boat imo. This is a different game. Its day 1. Let's lynch FC and move on. His flip will only help us.Hero wrote:Remember our newbie game with CJMiller? He acted just as bad, if not worse than Far_Cry, and ended up getting lynched for it. He flipped townie. It wasn't that his posts were scummy, his playstyle was just terrible. Far_Cry is in the same boat.-
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About wat u said last, wat SC said was true, but I don't rly have anyone to openly push a lynch on, yet.iamausername wrote:
In a word, no. He voted nadroj at that time, because that was when nadroj did something scummy. It wouldn't make sense for him to vote nadroj at any other time.SerialClergyman wrote:It's definitely possible Hero wanted to vote Nadroj because he thought he was scummy. But the timing of it is extremely suspicious to me, isn't it to you?
Him being the scummiest player in the town is a matter of opinion that I happen to disagree with you on. (Although I will say that your point that the way he says he would act as scum is exactly how he is acting, that's a good point. I am a lot more sold on an FC lynch than I was before you brought that up.)SerialClergyman wrote: @ all Can anyone give me a good reason why we shouldn't lynch FC given he's the scummiest player on the town and his death would either close to confirm two townies or two scum?
His death confirming two townies or two scum, that is total tripe. Well, no, if FC flipped scum, I think that would more or less confirm Hero (and by extension, Mokina). As TOWN. Because it makes absolutely zero sense for scum Hero to come under attack for defending one of his scum partners, and claim mason with hisotherpartner. If Hero was scum with FC, he would not have claimed mason with anyone but FC. No way, no how.
FC, while you're here, I think this:
is a very good point. Do you have anything to say about it?SerialClergyman wrote:
Why hasn't he been lynched yet?Far Cry telling us he's scum wrote: Well... I'm just saying that, if I were mafia, pushing so openly for a lynch would be against my playing style. I mean, if I were mafia, I wouldn't want to draw so much attention. Who would want to? As mafia, I would contribute, but not try to be SO open and draw suspicion to myself.
Far Cry has been the most consistently scummy player all game and he SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBES HIS OWN SCUMMY PLAYSTYLE AS HOW HE WOULD PLAY IF SCUM. He hasn't pushed openly for a lynch, he has deliberately posted wishy-washy crap like 61, 96, 171, 271, 337, 340....
Let me ask u question. What if I flip up Jester? Then wat would u do?dank wrote:If we lynch FC, who has been scummy all day (although being scummy is apparently his meta):
A- He flips scum. Yay. Lots of leads.
B- He flips town.
1. His play was flat out antitown and not helping us anyway, it was only a huge distraction.
2. We can more or less confirm the masons.
3. Bandwagon analysis- FC was the easiest target in the game, it wouldn't be surprising at all if at least one of the scum jumped on at some point.
I voted nad instead of FC because FC's meta was holding me back, kind of like hero's reasoning lately has been (he's like this in every game). When you think about it more, like others have said, not only can we gain the most from his lynch, but we can also remove an anti-town player who frankly doesnt help us. Think about it, if we excuse FC's scummy play now, will we excuse it for the rest of the game? Just because he has a horrible gameplay doesn't mean we let him slide through if he's acting scummy. The meta reasoning for his lynch was keeping me more towards nad, but with more thought, I think its more of a reason to lynch him than not.
Not that nad isn't suspicious. I think they're about even, but the reasons above pushes FC over nad for me. Hence the change.
L-1 now. FC, claim.
Many of this is, if he flips up town, this and this will happen. If he flips up mafia, then this and this will happen. And what about third-party roles?
Now, I have to say this. I won't deny that dank is right. Even if I flip up town, I was still a worthless nothing and not contributing. However, wat if i flip up a town power role? That's still bad for town, right?
And tell me. If I flip up town, how will kiku look?-
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Wow. I don't want to make this into a math game. Probabilities suck, becuase a person maybe buy a lottery ticket and win, despite the fact his chances were 1 in 500,000, despite the fact that 499,999 people lost, he still won. This shouldn't be about probabilities. We simply have to play the game and logically figure out everything, not use math.-
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Back to L-1, for what, the third time in 2 pages? This is crazy.
This is wat I'm not understanding. Suppose I actually do flip doctor (which I will, when I die.) How will u feel, and wat would u do?Hero764 wrote:What are the advantages of lynching a claimed doc as opposed to someone else, who in most's eyes is about as scummy?-
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