Open 148: Jungle Republic (Game over) before 800

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/confirm

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NOT SCUM

(I'm touching my nose)

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Mastin is usually every third post. I know he's posting in another game I'm in...

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tl;dr

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Oh, yeah, that's the other reason fallen angel is scum, almost forgot; I dislike the mastin vote. Between ignoring the nose touching thing and voting for mastin, I like my fallen angel wagon.

I'm thinking about Fallen's play, and thinking of whether it matches the play as Fallen

Angel

(Angel, alias for cop? Get it? ) in 763.

Why do you dislike the mastin vote? Did I nail your scumbuddy?

Such a statement, even in jest, is not something I approve of.

I voted him for voting himself

That's odd. I did the same exact thing here, and Despite it being obvious you had read everything, you ignored it then and just voted off of my FoS, essentially.

and because he freaking said he was scum!

I take back my statement earlier here:

Dang, I need to refine my technique. It's not working, anymore. :/

Obviously, I was mistaken.
It works every time, apparently.

You know this is a stylistic thing, Fallen. Why the vote off of it?

Then he recanted.

My erratic attitude is always a good thing, for the attitude I give off early makes people force discussion to get ongoing. (Mostly with votes on me. )

Inconsistency is anti-town, unless it is for a good reason (IMO).

A twist of my opinion into your own...

That's
Inconsistency is a Scumtell,

To you, Fallen Angel.

(Oh, and did I mention this?
Fallen's current play seems inconsistent with 763. While I need to double check...still worthy of note.)

At the risk of parroting... fallen angel sounds like he's being too careful and deliberate.

And doesn't seem to be playing the same as before...

More importantly, he seems a little too worried about the vote on him.

This I agree with.

I guess there's not really anything else in particular to look at this early, but it stands out.

Why aren't you voting for your scumbuddy, Fallen Angel?

Was this basically an attempt to tell your buddy to stop being so scummy and panic?

Why the suspicions with no vote?

I could figure out Mastin

*Laughs*
No.
No, you couldn't.

Nobody can figure me out, Kore.
I'm just too darn unpredictable.

Zwetschenwasser * 10-->Mastin. (I post fairly often, about as often as Zwet does, I imagine, per game, but the length of said posts is ten times, if not longer, than Zwet, hence, Zwet * 10 = me. )

if he stopped flooding the thread and posted something substantial.. ¬_¬

Live with it.
It's what I do.

It catches scum well.

Nothing else catches my eye at the moment.

In all these four pages already...
Nothing catches your eyes?!?

Yes, during what some people call the random vote phase, he said he was scum and voted himself.

What can I say?
I like self-voting.
(...In The RVS. Hey, let's put that together! ILSVITRVS. Ill-srv-it-revs. )

Do you think he's scum?

Yosarian is pro-town.
Let's move on, shall we?

That depends on wether I should believe his role-claim.

Rolefishing, here.
It was obvious my RVS claim was a joke.
This seems like an attempt to get intel into my real role,
AKA,
A rolefish.

As I doubt Mastin is dumb enough to claim scum

There IS such a thing as wifom, you know...

I don't really trust it entirely.

Never put any weight into the RVS, unless someone says they purposefully breadcrumbed something (Cop claim via CIA, lyncher target [don't ask], etc.), in which case, take a look at it and judge for yourself.

But who knows

Yes, "who" does know.
More seriously, the Mod knows, so why don't you just ask him?

On a truly serious note, not even the scum know everything in this game, but they know more than we, the town, do.

it could be a gambit.

Yea. Two, actually.
Fong's,
And Slayer's.

(Self-voting, intentionally scummy, respectively.)

You, having played with me before, should've known this.

It's WIFOMy and therefore not a total tell

I disagree with this statement.

But I lose more and more faith in humanity as I go

This is a werewolf softclaim.
Werewolves become less and less human as their transformation goes through.

so for know, yes, I think Mastin might be a werewolf as he said.

I'd claim to be mafia if I were mafia, but because I'm not, I figured that the way to get the best reactions was to claim werewolf.

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I see you...

The scum are...

Khamisa,
Korejora,
Fallen Angel,
iamausername,
Caboose.

You've been found out. Surrender, and we

might

consider offering you a Draw. Deal?

I'm sorry to say that I wasted time reading this entire post that I will never get back.

And my next post, I will waste more time responding to it.

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Such a statement, even in jest, is not something I approve of.

Why?

What can I say?
I like self-voting.
(...In The RVS. Hey, let's put that together! ILSVITRVS. Ill-srv-it-revs. )

Please stop doing so. It reminds me of the annoying habit Natirasha had of always self-voting in the RVS.

Rolefishing, here.
It was obvious my RVS claim was a joke.
This seems like an attempt to get intel into my real role,
AKA,
A rolefish.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agree with Mastin here.
+scumpoints for fallen angel

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Seriously?

Giving newbie 763 a brief look over Fallen does seem to be handing Mastin completely differently. I think we could be on to something here.

Unvote, Vote: Fallen Angel

I can't really put my finger on it, but something about this vote is giving me bad vibes.

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Unvote, Vote: Caboose

Gives his support to the fallen angel wagon by way of agreeing with a point made by Mastin, then turns around and calls bad vibes on Sotty7 for

voting for fallen angel

.

Also Kore feels town, the possibility for which I forgot to take into account in my superbly calculated math vote.

I also like this fallen angel wagon going on.

There's more than one scumgroup, so it's possible for them to both be scum and not scumbuddies.

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Gives his support to the fallen angel wagon by way of agreeing with a point made by Mastin, then turns around and calls bad vibes on

Sotty7 for voting for fallen angel.

Also, the bolded part isn't true. The vote on fallen angel didn't matter to me. The entrance onto the wagon did (ie - A vote on fallen angel wasn't what I was calling Sotty7 down on, it was the akward way she did it).

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Can anyone explain the case on fallen angel? Was there even a case?

Here's the old "I told you so."
+scumpoints for Khamisa

Caboose - Based on her "plan", which actually has good reasoning, but note that it was the hammer.

I didn't vote yesterday.

This case was weak, and with no deadline pressure (I think), we chose this simple lynch? I'm going to say that at least two of the people on this lynch are scum.

Well, let's go back to your last few posts yesterday.

Kham's last few posts

I have a post count of over three per day, despite long periods of not posting for days/weeks/months. So, uh, no, not a big chunk, in my opinion.
Lynch the person with the lack of devotion?

(On a side note, I had names which I find initially hard to abbreviate. Kham? Misa? Kha? You get the idea.)

I'm devoted. I may not post as much as you, but I still read and remark where need be. Post count means absolutely nothing to me.

And "Kham" would be acceptable

That isn't random.
That's based off of my fos earlier

If that were true, I wouldn't have put random vote.

Mastin, this "case" on me is very, VERY poorly reasoned.

Heck, on epicmafia, I've had typos determine the outcome of a game--
Typos in a cop report, for example.

Referencing MafiaScum to that abomination almost deserves a vote.

All in all, posting six posts in a row just really isn't acceptable, IMO, in just exhibits a certain level of narcissism.

CJ's claim was bad. At least we know who we're lynching tomorrrow if he's not dead.

WIFOM Generator. +major wolfpoints

Unvote

CJ Miller is digging a deeper hole.

Nowhere is FA's wagon mentioned.

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Before I vote,

vote count please.

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I'm really confused. What exactly am I getting lynched for?

For not saying anything about the FA wagon yesterday and using it to your advantage today.

For saying that CJ Miller should be lynched today if he didn't die last night. And for repeatedly asking for reasons from Yos when they were already stated.

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My picks for the third mafia are Sotty7 and Caboose.

Any reason for that?

It has to be one of them

+wolf points for Tar

but I'll need to reread to be totally sure.

Reread what? Your role PM?

Let the wolf(es) kill the last maf next night, if they can/want.

Faking confusion (i.e. - "wolf(es)") over the set-up is scummy, especially considering it's an open set-up. You, like everyone else, should be aware that there are 2 werewolves and they

do

have an NK. Making it seem that you don't know this fact in order to make yourself appear to not be a werewolf is scummy.
+more wolfpoints for Tar

Vote: Tarballs

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Faking confusion (i.e. - "wolf(es)") over the set-up is scummy, especially considering it's an open set-up. You, like everyone else, should be aware that there are 2 werewolves and they do have an NK. Making it seem that you don't know this fact in order to make yourself appear to not be a werewolf is scummy.

I'm assuming you thought I don't know the amount of werewolves in this game. Well, I do know that there's two of them, but I don't know how many of them are still alive next night. And by "can" I meant

if

they're able to figure out who the last mafia is.

Fine, I misunderstood.

Funny how Caboose's vote is

almost like an exact replica

of Sotty's, after I pointed both of them out for being possible mafia.

So, you use that as retroactive evidence of me and Sotty being scum?

I still want to know the

real

reason for the

first

accusation.

Anyways, my reason for suspecting the two of you was that you weren't on Khamisa's wagon yesterday, and I don't believe that the mafia would be very interested in intentional bussing when they possess no nightkill, but are still in danger of being nightkilled themselves. That might sound like WIFOM, but in my experience the danger of being nightkilled really does prevent bussing quite effectively.

I don't understand this arguement. For any closed game (or open game with more than 2 scum), there's a danger of being nightkilled whether you're mafia or not, but it still doesn't seem to stop the scum from bussing. I don't see what not having an NK has to do with anything. Having an NK isn't going to hide the fact that you bussed if you're scum.

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In closed games there's at least a chance that there are no other killing forces, and if there are, you usually know it by day 2. And not having a NK means that your only way to get rid of the other scum group is by lynching, which means that they can potentially be out there for a long time. And lynching one of your own is automatically a free round for the other scum group.

So, you're thinking it can just be assumed that scum will always bus?

This bothers me because you seem unconcerned with the other wolf. This means that either you know who the other wolf is OR you are bussing your partner so didn't think of it. This could be a slip, but I may be reading too much into it.

Reach?

Yes, I suppose it does. I am also a potential mafia, but from my point of view it's clear that I am not mafia.

Such a convincing arguement.

And judging from your post 231, the only reason why you voted for me was because I "knew" that either you or Caboose is mafia. So yes, I would call that a weak reason.

Implying extra knowledge in a game of informed minority vs another informed minority vs uninformed majority is a weak reason for a vote?
Since when?