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Eh, so what? And why not revote?idiotking wrote: Because I had made a mistake in thinking that you were the first to be the second to vote for someone. Realizing my mistake after being called out for it, I rescinded my vote and went to cry into my pillow while listening to Linkin Park.
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1. Bunny "Peeps" are imposter "Peeps". Peeps are things which, were they not made of marshmallow and sparkly sugar, would go "peep!" I've had a lot of rabbits as pets...and, sir, NONE of them have ever gone "peep!"Kre wrote: Vote: yellowbunny because I hate Peeps.
What does this have to do with peeps you might ask. Well, I have a theory that peeps are an evil cross between yellow bunnies and chickens.
2. I'm pretty sure that not liking peeps is a major scum tell!Fos: Kre"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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QFT.IdiotKing wrote: In my experience, random voting is necessary for REAL discussion to take place. So I "go with the flow" to avoid the aforementioned problem. I will, however, immediately stop as soon as something real happens. Something real has happened, so I am quite done now. Natural impulse is screaming for me to start calling X scum and say that he's trying to get me in trouble on baseless evidence. Again, though, that's natural impulse, there's no reasoning behind it. I'm going to go ahead and assume that witchhunting is kind of required when there's no evidence, and I just pulled the short straw with my Wiccan magicks.
That said, did anyone's response to this seem scummy to you?"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@Jase: why the vote on X? Calling him out for thinking that not liking the random vote stage is scummy is one thing. But a vote for that? Seems like you are randomly trying to change your vote and then covering it with a weak excuse."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Okay I have some issues with this statement. Firstly, you said that "someone" said you should random vote. If you are *really* interested in scum hunting...shouldn't you take the time to figure out who told you what? How else are you going to find scum other than by analyzing what people say to one another?Idiot wrote: Oh. That wasn't the original vote message. I voted, then unvoted, then re-voted when someone told me to random vote. So I did to avoid the problem we have apparently run into anyway. The absolute FIRST vote I made had a "real" random vote reason. The second was just for the sake of random voting, as requested.
But I will make your job easy for you this time and point out *I* was the one who raised that question. Secondly, I asked you WHY YOU DIDN'T REVOTE...I did not say you SHOULD randomly revote. You never answered my question; you simply made up some random vote. This not answering the question seems odd to me...so:
unvote; fos: idiotking"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@Idiotking: Okay, I accept your answer for now, but do not be suprised if I have follow up questions
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And on Wall-e...I initially accepted that his explanation, thinking along the same lines as:
But the fact that Wall-e *STILL* isn't responding at all sort of undermines this. I'm willing to believe that he forgot about the thread once. But to forget about it twice so soon...smells awfully fishy to me.X wrote: Yes, but he didn't do either. So I'm gonna ignore that and chalk it up to Hanlon's Razor. Why are you making a big deal out of this?"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@Cubarey: I agree with Idiot and Krer...calling Idiot scum for saying that his was a natural response is really weak.
Um..you know this how? What evidence do you have AGAINST him being paranoid? If you have something, I'm missing it. While Idiot has said things which are noteworthy, I think you are grasping at straws on this one. Maybe I should call you a Mafioso for making such a strongly worded accusation on such flimsy evidence?The only other plausible explaination is that you are an innocent townie but are paranoid about anyone questioning your motives. Since I do not believe that you are paranoid I must assume that you are a Mafioso."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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I am getting extremely annoyed that Wall-E isn't posting. It screams scum...yet, I keep thinking that as an experienced player, he would know better and not do that. (I had a similar situation in the last game I was in...we lynched an inactive IC townie...) I've been going over this in my head (is he more or less likely to be lurking cuz he's scum if he's an IC?) but I think I'm getting to a WIFOM situation. So lets throw a little more fuel on the fire and...
vote: Wall-e
Also...we haven't heard from Jase or Noob in the past 2 days. I'd like to hear what you two have to say on the situation, and Jase...I'm still waiting for a response to my question..."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Jase...the question is in post 65.
@Jase: why the vote on X? Calling him out for thinking that not liking the random vote stage is scummy is one thing. But a vote for that? Seems like you are randomly trying to change your vote and then covering it with a weak excuse."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@Wall-e
Although I agree with you 100% about the lack of hunting for scum targets other than you, you're not going to deflect criticism off of yourself that easily. You are very experienced, and even moderate games. I expect this means a certain level of competency/organization on your part, and this makes the "LAWL...I forgot...AGAIN!" a bit hard to swallow.Wall-e wrote: Then again, only five pages? You all weren't that interested in scumhunting to beging with, it seems. *sly smile behind a japanese fan*
@Kre/Qwints: Wait...seriously guys? You're calling him out for claiming vanilla townie??? If he jumped up and claimed doctor or cop or something like that...yeah, that sets off some serious alarms. But VT?? The majority of us are probably VT right? Also his post has a very annoyed/flippant tone to it. While I don't really agree with him being annoyed or flippant (as I think the heat under him is deserved)...saying that he thinks he has become a red herring and is claiming to get the town moving onto something more productive doesn't seem unrealistic from that pov."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Oh and sorry for the double post, but I was just rereading and noticed:
Okay...why wait? Even if Wall-e is scum there is other scum in the game. Lets hear your other suspicions.Krev wrote: There are other people who have low participation as well whom I would have started in on once I saw you were back until that claim."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@Ojanen:
Wow...good eye Ojanen (no avetar pun intended)! I was super excited when I read this...until I saw...Ojanen wrote: One more experiment, though.
If I understand correctly the rules, this shouldn't be illegal to ask or answer cause it's not direct quoting, but please someone correct me if I haven't got the hang of it.
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As I've tried to explain, it's a common error for me, since I'm typically in five or six games at a time, once in a while one slips through the cracks: I get a Role PM but no link to the thread, read the PM but don't have time to find it, then forget. When I realized that's what happened to this game I joined and said, "Sorry, I forgot to click, 'Watch this topic for replies.' " which was the END-PRODUCT of what I should have said happened: "Sorry, I forgot to find the thread and click, 'Watch this topic for replies.' "
You state here that your role PM doesn't have a link to the thread, right?
A big let down.Wall-e wrote: acutally, you made me go check, and it does
it's one word and kinda small though
...or is it?
I think that Ojanen and Wall-e unintentionally gave us a clue about their alignments. We now know two things:
1.) Ojanen and Wall-e are NOT partner roles. We know this because if they were they would have the exact same PMs, and Ojanen would have realized that and thus never asked the question
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2.) Ojanen and Wall-e are both not scum-aligned (although one or the other may be). There is no way Ojanen would have called out Wall-e on such a subtle point if they were both scum.
Unfortunately, we do not know if they are both town-aligned, or that only one of them are...only that they are not both scum. But to me, aside my own PM...this is the only thing I feel I know for sure about.
If there is some flaw in my logic...please someone point it out...its been a SUPER LONG DAY but to my exhaustion addled mind this seems like the most interesting thing which has happened all game, by far."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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TBH, I find Noob's defense of Cubarey more probative than the initial comment Cubarey said. Did Cubarey's comment strike me the wrong way? You bet - and I called him out on it. Do I want to hear more from Cubarey on this? Yeah, that would be helpful. But I am starting to get the vibe that Cubarey was just being overzealous. Still worthwhile to keep an eye on him, though.Ojanen wrote: The World No.1 Noob wrote:
I think the cubarey case isn't too strong simply because his joining date says the 22nd of March 2009...that's certainly not enough time to even have finished one game. I think he's trying a bit too hard to fit in.
Giving the newbie defense for someone else here? Don't like it, especially as "fitting in" is exactly what the mafia wants to do. I'm putting a slight connection line to Noob and Cubarey. Also, Cubarey is clearly confident enough to play in a non-newbie game in addition to his newbie game so I doubt that he's completely new to the game.
Now Noob's response is more interesting -- playing the noob card for someone else? Hrm... Although I think that if there really is a connection between Cubarey and Noob...would Noob stick up so obviously for Cubarey over what is still a relatively minor issue? It seems unlikely to me. The more likely options are either a.) Noob is just calling it like he sees it or b.) Noob is trying to lay seeds to cover his own butt in case he does anything similar (one will note Noob joined MafiaScum only 3 days before Cubarey...)"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Mod:are we allowed to discuss anything which came out of the Ojanen and Wall-e discussing their PMs? I'd like to respond to what X said about my post 125, but I'm not sure based on your post if further discussion is allowed."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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You (X) really seem to be twisting things that Noob said here.X wrote: The World No.1 Noob wrote:
I find it odd how X and Idiotking seems to come to a mutual understanding, of how the other person was just trying to generate discussion, so fast
Do you think one of us should be at the other's throat? Which one of us was in the wrong?
Yes, X, you do need to have an open mind, but your posts are coming across to me a lot more like just jumping around to see what sticks. I am getting somewhat scummy vibes from you.X wrote: Kreriov wrote:
Or X, who seems to be jumping around a bit.
Guilty as charged. As I see it, you have to have a very open mind on D1.
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I think at this point it would be helpful if people posted their general impressions of people. I'll go first:
Strong pro-town vibes from:
World #1 Noob - He stuck his neck out to defend Cubarey based on what he thought was a fair read of him. I already stated why I don't think there is a Cub-Noob connection, so I won't rehash that. But this seemed really pro-town to me
Ojanen - Very observant, seems very interested in scum hunting.
I'm getting weakly pro-town vibes from the following:
Cubarey - I found his inital "Omg you're a mafioso" post a bit...um...unsettling. But the more I read from him, the more I think it was just overzealous town.
Jase - not too much has stuck out on Jase, but overall his contribution has been reasonable and seems to care about finding scum
Somewhat scummy vibes from:
X: Discussed above.
Lleu: I'd like to see more posts from you...and the posts you have made seem to be not very substantial.
Wall-e: Well, I'm really not sure what to make of you at this point. I'm going tounvote, but I'll still be watching you.
Neutral:
Everyone else - a lot of people I haven't seen enough from to get any sort of real read."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Whoops sorry, one more thing...@Cubarey: Can you clarify a bit on your post 139 and vote for X? Not that I have a problem with an X vote in principal (I too find X scummy) but I didn't see an explanation from you, which I found odd."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@X
Okay, firstly, minor point: Ojanen and I are shes, not hes.
As for why I find you somewhat scummy...honestly, its just a gut feeling I am getting from your posts. I'm left with a general unease about you - that something isn't quite right - but I have nothing in particular which I can point to atm and say "Ah-ha! Scum! Answer for <insert scummy thing here>, X!!!" I realize its not horribly logical, but that is the reason. The caveat here is this is my first non-noob game, so its quite possible that I'm just unfamiliar with your style of play and that is why its striking me as off.
Can you please elaborate on why you find Burfy scummy? Also, I find that Lleu's posts are largely unsubstantial and tend to sit on the fence. That does not strike you as odd?
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Good point...didn't he promise us lots of butting in and such? While he is currently posting, I'd still classify what he's saying as unsubstantial.Wall-E is scummy for twice “forgetting” about the thread even while posting about not hitting the Watched Topics button. Plus, he hasn’t lifted a finger to find scum."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@qwints: While I *definitely* would have a lot to say in response to that, did you read Hambargarz's post in 138? We aren't allowed any further discussion on anything which came out of their discussion of PMs.
On another note, aren't you going to post your impressions of people? You have been extremely quiet and haven't been saying much when you do post. What gives? You seem uninterested in scum hunting."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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You hate prom???? MAJOR SCUM TELL!!! OMG!Idiotking wrote: Ok, weekend's basically over. Thank God, I hate prom night. So, Mafia time.
Okay, but seriously, you say you don't have any scummy vibes from anyone...okay, fine, maybe scummy is too strong of a word. Have you seen anything which you at least find probative?
@Noob: can you post who you have found scummy/towny?
@Qwints: I am looking forward to your promised post on your impressions of people.
@Burfy: Can you guys post your thoughts on who is scummy? Now X and Jase have called you scummy, and myself and Idiot have thought you were not posting enough. Your lack of contribution and unwillingness to participate in posting your opinions concerns me."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@Wall-E:
Wow...either you're really not paying attention, or you're purposefully trying to make it seem like I have it out for you & don't want to discuss your explanation for being MIA. Let's actually look at the WHOLE post.Wall-E wrote: qwints wrote:
On the watching the topic issue, I think Wall-E solved it when he said that he meant that he hadn't even gone to the thread (which is why I unvoted.)
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@qwints: While I *definitely* would have a lot to say in response to that, did you read Hambargarz's post in 138? We aren't allowed any further discussion on anything which came out of their discussion of PMs.
That was an issue before the PMs came up, so it's still allowed to be discussed.
I don't see how anyone could possibly read this post and be confused about what I part of qwints post I was talking about.qwints wrote: yellowbunny wrote:
2.) Ojanen and Wall-e are both not scum-aligned (although one or the other may be). There is no way Ojanen would have called out Wall-e on such a subtle point if they were both scum.
This is absolutely wrong. In fact, you'll often see scum pointing out phantom scum tells by their partners. Scum tells stand out more when you know the person making them is scum.
On the watching the topic issue, I think Wall-E solved it when he said that he meant that he hadn't even gone to the thread (which is why I unvoted.)
Also...
You're baiting X just as much as he's baiting you. So I think everything you said about him in this quote applies equally to you.Wall-e wrote:
You are doing a great job, sport.
X attacks indescriminately: When X said 'don't lurk' in response to 'i only make pithy comments' I realized what he was doing. He's either 1) baiting touchy scum or 2) scum pretending to try to bait touchy scum or 3) really bad at being scum or 4) really bad at being town. I know that's a lot of options, but now I have a filter I'll read all his posts through. He's mostly just making a lot of noise and nobody has much to fear from him since half the things he says are strawmen or misreps, albiet likely unintentionally so.
Hi X.
That said, I don't think he's particularly scummy, but his illogical plays are rather anti-town if taken too seriously.
I think most of us are trying to be fair and not hold your inactivity against you (at least too much), but you don't seem overly interested in scum hunting. More people than just X have commented on this. Can you please post YOUR list of impressions of everyone in the game?"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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mod:Lleu hasn't posted since March 31...can you please prod him?
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So, you are not being sarcastic when you said you think he's doing a good job? This right after you said he "attacks indiscriminately", makes "a lot of noise and nobody has much to fear from him since half the things he says are strawmen or misreps, albiet likely unintentionally so", and is potentially "really bad" at being either town or scum. Uh...what? You contradict yourself.Wall-e wrote:
How am I baiting X? Everything I've said about X is true, even the part where I said he's doing a great job. There was zero sarcasm in this post on my part
Well...which was it? Bad read or deliberate twisting? I'm more inclined to think the twisting...maybe I said something in that post which struck a nerve?Wall-e wrote: I retract my statement. My proverbial bad, dog."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Does it strike anyone else as funny how Wall-e doesn't like to answer questions?
Why won't Wall-e give us a list of people he finds scummy? He's been asked multiple times by multiple people.
Wall-e doesn't address my first question at all (that he is either lying about not being sarcastic, or is lying about his opinion), and doesn't really answer my second question either.Wall-e wrote: yellowbunny wrote:
mod: Lleu hasn't posted since March 31...can you please prod him?
@Wall-e
Wall-e wrote:
How am I baiting X? Everything I've said about X is true, even the part where I said he's doing a great job. There was zero sarcasm in this post on my part
So, you are not being sarcastic when you said you think he's doing a good job? This right after you said he "attacks indiscriminately", makes "a lot of noise and nobody has much to fear from him since half the things he says are strawmen or misreps, albiet likely unintentionally so", and is potentially "really bad" at being either town or scum. Uh...what? You contradict yourself.
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I retract my statement. My proverbial bad, dog.
Well...which was it? Bad read or deliberate twisting? I'm more inclined to think the twisting...maybe I said something in that post which struck a nerve?
no such predicament befalls me at this juncture, sorry
i will say that your correction was well done and i understood it imediately when i read it (? is that enough ?)
Scummy behavior + lying + weak/no scum hunting =vote: Wall-e"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Oh and @Noob:
That is interesting what you say about complete lists...but I think most people don't post ALL of their suspicions in their lists. (Also I didn't think of it potentially helping mafia determine a NK, so it would have been nice if you had posted this objection sooner...but that's water under the bridge at this point.) Anyway, I guess the real key is the people who are coming across as most scummy, so that partial list would be great.I'd also like to say we shouldn't make a complete list of who we think is scum and who we think is innocent. Sure the scum should be brought up, but I've been told (and I think it makes perfect sense) that have complete lists help scum to perform their night kill as they'll obviously kill off the person everyone thinks is townie."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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1.) See your points 2 & 3. You obviously know the answer to this question since you addressed the questions you won't answer!!Wall-e wrote:
Yellowbunny, I wonder if you could back up some of the statements you've made:
1) Wall-E doesn't like answering questions.
Please quote for me any question I have not answered and I will do so.
2) Wall-E has made no list of suspects yet.
While this is true, I do have a list. You can see it when I feel confident in showing it. Until then, my answer to "will you show me?" will be no.
3) Wall-E failed to properly address two questions, the first of which was "Were you being sarcastic when you said X was doing a good job?" and the second of which was "bad read or twisting?"
Answer: Complicated question. I was... teasing him for his dogged attacks with no real foundation. While I felt unthreatened by them, I wanted to comment on my perception of his plays thus-far in the thread in the hopes that a meta-read by some other player would shed light on his alignment, and also to bring pressure against him for making less than solidly-founded statements. By speaking as if to a child, I was attempting to convey a sense of the... bemusement his playstyle made me feel at the time. X's attacks have felt rather like some of my own work but sans (in a few cases) an element of cohesive logic. I can't narrow my emotions down much more than that.
Answer 2: Bad read. Why else would anyone say, "My bad?" Would you have expected scum-me to answer, "twisting?"
I considered this question rhetoric, given that neither of us, so far as I'm aware, is a drooling vegetable retard, but your decision to list my non-answering of this rhetorical question into the list of reasons for your vote on me is relieving, because it means I can point this out and nobody will take you seriously. Hooray!
2.) Why are you afraid to state who you think is scummy?
3a.) Not sure if I buy this argument, but at least you have given an answer now. I need to think more on what you said...I may have follow up questions.
3b.) "My bad" does *NOT* automatically indicate a bad read. When I see a flippant response like that, my gut feeling is "whoops, scum trying to cover his ass".
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Just because you chose to read it as a rhetorical question doesn't meant I didn't want an answer. Bad logic here, and renders the rest of your statement null and void.Wall-e wrote: I considered this question rhetoric, given that neither of us, so far as I'm aware, is a drooling vegetable retard, but your decision to list my non-answering of this rhetorical question into the list of reasons for your vote on me is relieving, because it means I can point this out and nobody will take you seriously. Hooray!
1. Obviously I DO want your input, otherwise I wouldn't be ASKING for it.Wall-e wrote: If you do not appreciate my input, I can understand that, but please be aware that not everyone can be Sherlock Holmes in these games. Where is your suspect, now that your case on me has one half-bent leg to stand upon?
2. You do realize the hypocrisy in asking me for an additional suspect (which, mind you, I have already mentioned my other top suspicions, or did you miss that as well?) when you yourself will not provide yours?
3. You overestimate your rebuttal -- my case is still valid.
FYI: To avoid further "confusion", my questions and comments in this post ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE RHETORICAL. Please do not use that excuse again to not answer.
@Cuberey:
I have to agree with Kre and say that I really don't get the deal with X. I've gotten some bad vibes from him but your case against him seems weak.Kre wrote: Ok, two things here. First, so you voted for X because he was leading a bandwagon against you? That is pretty much the definition of OMGUS.
Second, X NEVER VOTED FOR YOU! In fact, he barely mentions you in any of his posts, asking a question or two and responding to things YOU have to say about HIM. Here is what he even says in his 'list of thoughts on people':
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CUBAREY is not scummy, just confused, I think. He doesn’t get that the natural gut reaction to a loaded question is to think that your inquisitor is scum.
If anything, Jase would be leading your bandwagon and with only Jase and I voting for you, its more of a donkey cart. Talk about being paranoid!
All I can say is maybe X has you pegged dead on as confused. Personally, it looks like you are scrambling and contradicting yourself to me."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Ah Wall-e...you made me chuckle IRL. Good game.
Anyway, I'm not going to waste the time, energy, bandwidth and bytes to respond to your childish personal attacks.
What I will say is that a lot of times when someone asks a question, the important thing about the answer is HOW its presented, not WHAT the answer is. That said, you have provided a lot of food for thought. The only open question on your response is whether this sort of behavior is a part of your playing style all the time, or only when you're scum."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Idiot King abstained from random voting because he says he doesn't like it...that was why X voted for him. Two questions:Wall-e wrote: I agree with X's post 56 that IK is the best lead at the moment. I'll put my vote on IK for now.
Vote: Idiot King
1.) Aside from not liking to vote initally, has Idiot King done anything to make you suspicious of him?
2.) X has since removed his vote from Idiot King. X's vote is currently on you. What do you think of this?"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Why?Wall-e wrote: Hm. Interesting.
Unvote.
Nothing to add for now.
And did not respond to the two questions I asked you in 193 (which I'd like an answer to despite the fact that you unvoted), and you did not respond to IK's 195, either.
Intersting...Burfy..what do you have to say on this issue?X wrote:yellowbunny wrote:
Can you please elaborate on why you find Burfy scummy?
Sure. Burfy asked for a vote count early on to "see who the targets were." That sounds like a mafioso looking for a wagon. Later, he also unvoted in a reaction to the vote count...and the person she unvoted was at 2 votes. Basically, he didn't want to look like a wagonmaker."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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burfy wrote: Also, i have to point out a flaw in X's logic.
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That sounds like a mafioso looking for a wagon. Later, he also unvoted in a reaction to the vote count...and the person she unvoted was at 2 votes. Basically, he didn't want to look like a wagonmaker.
Don't the two bolds contradict each other? First I'm looking for a wagon then i'm trying not to make a wagon? I don't get it.
Those do not necessarily contradict each other. You could be scum looking for a wagon to join...but want to avoid starting a wagon yourself. So that way, if you joined a wagon, you could distance yourself from it by saying "oh, so-and-so started this wagon". And as scum, you def. wouldn't want to be viewed as the person who started that wagon.
Do you find this behavior scummy? Or do you think X is misinterpreting your actions?burfy wrote: We're going in circles here. I see this explanation as perfectly reasonable and sound. And i see flaws in X's logic. Yet no matter how many time i have presented this X remains unconvinced and brings it up again and again. So i assume he also feels the same way about his case as i do about mine so i can't see this getting resolved."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@Wall-e
Do you think X's choice to move his vote from IK to you was logical? If you were in his position, would you have done the same?Wall-e wrote: yellowbunny wrote:
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I agree with X's post 56 that IK is the best lead at the moment. I'll put my vote on IK for now.
Vote: Idiot King
Idiot King abstained from random voting because he says he doesn't like it...that was why X voted for him. Two questions:
1.) Aside from not liking to vote initally, has Idiot King done anything to make you suspicious of him?
2.) X has since removed his vote from Idiot King. X's vote is currently on you. What do you think of this?
1) No.
2) I think that you are right. What about it would you like to discuss?
Normally I would call BS on you, but I have gone through and read some of your previous posts in other games...and based on that, I think what you are saying is within the realm of possibility. I do not intend to remove my vote from you atm...but of course it makes sense to continue to scum hunt elsewhere. If you are town...well...hopefully that will become apparent. And if you are scum...well, you are not scum alone...so hunting other scum def. doesn't hurt town.Wall-e wrote: To be totally fair, I screwed up bad by not participating to now, but the town screwed the pooch by talking mostly about ME for the first nine pages, making it hard for me to find usable content. I think the way everyone piled on me was well done as town, and had I been here I'd probably have hammered me. The only other thing I can do is apologize."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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It is weird that he has not posted in a couple of days, especially as he is currently under suspicion. I still tend to agree with Noob's assessment of Cubarey though -- which is that he is newbie town. I tend to think its more strange when people go silent when they are not under pressure than when they are. It does not help you achieve your win condition (if you are town or scum) to go silent when you are under attack. So, I read that more as a noob move. (However if you are silent when not under attack, that makes more sense if you're scum.)kreriov wrote: Anyway, I wanted to see what people thought of Cubarey not posting. It has been two days and there are questions asked and 2 votes on him. I do not like that he has not answered yet.
@Krev...since you are concerned with Cubarey not posting, what do you think of Qwints going silent? His last post was on April 5, when he says he's going to do a re-read and post his impressions (which we are still waiting for). Also Ojanen asks Qwints some questions in 194 which I would really like to see answered...and nada."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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This can be applied to Qwints as well. He has done odd things in addition to lurking. Specifically...Kreriov wrote: Oh, well, because there is actual actions other than lurking to discuss when it comes to Cubarey. I generally do not consider lurking in and off itself scummy, especially day 1.
That is questionable behavior. As Ojanen points out, Wall-e's explanation upon his return was the expected one. So it makes me wonder if Qwints was jumping off a dead wagon.Ojanen wrote: @the rather silent qwints
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The clear implication of Wall-E's post was that he had had the opportunity to press the button to watch the topic, i.e., he was in the thread. It would be a reasonable explanation if had confirmed in thread and not posted again until he was prodded. It would also be a reasonable explanation if he had arrived at the thread and the thread had been locked because the mod was taking pm confirmations. Neither applies in this case. I'm interested to see where this leads:
unvote, vote Wall-E
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On the watching the topic issue, I think Wall-E solved it when he said that he meant that he hadn't even gone to the thread (which is why I unvoted.)
I'm just a little curious here reading your latter post. What did you think Wall-E was gonna say? You clearly had thought this thing through in your head as evidenced by the former post. I thought Wall-E's answer was quite the expected one (only obvious simple logical one) despite of mismatch to initial post and thus your word "solved" jumped to me.
So...there are other actions which Qwints has done aside from lurking...just like Cubarey. That said, I still don't see why you are calling out one and not the other."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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How so? I was trying to get answers to questions, and I did not feel that Wall-E was providing them. I don't think that it makes sense to simply drop a topic because someone is being difficult, do you?I'm starting to get some suspicions of YB. At times it's seemed like she was kind of stretching some of the points against Wall-E."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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@Qwints: You promised us 8 days ago that you would post your impressions of who you found scummy. Why have you not yet?
Sounds great...we need to get discussion going again...any insights you get from a fresh read would be very helpful.hero wrote: Hey guys I'm the replacement for The World No. 1 Noob. I'll be reading through the thread now and hopefully I'll get my thoughts posted by tonight.
Not sure I agree with that. Well, what I mean is, yes, as the subject of so much scrutiny, you will be biased...but that doesn't mean your opinions aren't valid (or at least conversation generating). I think they are particularly valuable for two reasons:Wall-e wrote: I'm too close to the action in this game to be unbiased. I'm hoping someone else makes a strong case for me to analyze. I think that for today that might be all I can manage.
1.) Just for general scum hunting, your impressions of people would be helpful overall.
2.) To help us get a clearer read on you. After all of our monster posts back and forth, I did some meta on you. While I would characterize your game play in this game to date as "scummy"...I read some games of yours and saw that your style of play here has been fairly consistent across the board, regardless of if you are town or scum. So, unless my assessment is off, you are less the type you can figure out by evaluating HOW you say something as you are the type that which we need to analyze WHAT you say/do.
I am aware that you are reluctant to say exactly what you think of everyone at this point in time...but some indicator of who you are finding scummy would be really nice to hear."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Whoa...action!
I still need to go more in depth into Sajin's comments on various posts...I've started to but today has been quite busy so far. So I might have more to say on his points. One quick clarification though...
My intention was to say that there COULD be a Cub-Noob paring which would explain Noob sticking up for Cub...not that there necessarily was. I think in subsequent posts I made it more clear that I wasn't so sure that's what was actually going on.X wrote: Sajin wrote:
@131- I agree with everything in this post of yellowbunny's, besides the obvious misread Smile
YB says there that she sees a CUBAREY - Noob pairing likely. I can see CUBAREY, but Noob? I'm not so sure. Elaborate, please.
So, @Saijin...when you say you agree with that post of mine...do you mean that you DO think there is a connection between the two? Or you think it was just Noob (now Hero) stating what he thought the likely cause of Cub's behavior was?"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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QFT. I wonder if he flaked under pressure?Kreriov wrote: @All - I am going to beat the Cubarey drum again. He basically fabricated a case against X, contradicting himself in the post where he tries to get a case going against X as well as the other post Jase originally pinged. Now he has failed to post in over a week. I do not advocate lynching someone because they have not posted, but it is suspicious as well as very frustrating."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Again, QFT.Kreriov wrote: @yellowbunny - I don't know if Cubarey flaked, flipped out, or what under the pressure. I am just frustrated right now that one of the two guys who seem the most suspicious to me is not around. Day 1 is frustrating enough. Now add in burfy, IK, and Hero not really contributing either. Ah well.
I am starting to feel a strong supsicion that there is at least one scum hiding among those you named. I believe Wall-e had said at one point (I can look it up if anyone is interested, but short on time atm) that the scum is doing a good job of hiding in this game. Now, I'm not sure if I should take that as a frusterated townie venting, scum pretending to be frusterated town venting, or scum trying to tell his partner(s) that they are doing a good job staying out of the spotlight.
That said, has anyone else done any meta on Wall-e? I've mentioned before that his behavior now seems fairly consistent with how he ALWAYS plays. So while he continues to be the most obviuous scum target in game, I cannot help but wonder if that is because he always (or almost always) reads scummy. Does anyone else have thoughts on this? This is especially important cuz I think Wall-e is at L-2 (if I can count correctly...and considering how little coffee I have in me atm, I have serious doubts about my number-skillz atm )
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@my previous post:
The post I am thinking of is Wall-e's iso 19. He says:
So my previous post requires a bit of reading in between the lines in the above quote...but the point still holds.After re-reading the thread prior to my reappearance I have nothing to say that will help the town (only townie suspects).
To be totally fair, I screwed up bad by not participating to now, but the town screwed the pooch by talking mostly about ME for the first nine pages, making it hard for me to find usable content. I think the way everyone piled on me was well done as town, and had I been here I'd probably have hammered me. The only other thing I can do is apologize.
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Sorry for the slow down in posting...lots of school work + migraines = quiet bunny. Anyway, another migraine is going so apologizes in advance if anything comes across bitchy, its not intentional...anyway...
@Hero:
So you are asserting that Wall-e is playing the "too scummy to be scum?" card? That's a well known logical fallacy. It seems unlikely to me to have scum pretending to be hardcore scummy so people will assume he's town.Wall-E (rp. Kieraen) - Alright, I really don't like how he's been playing. He asserts that he's definetly town. But his posting style is very arrogant at times, and he's got this "are you fucking retarded? of course I'm not mafia" tone to his posts. It's like he's trying to act as scummy as possible so that everyone will assume there's no way he's scum because he would be acting too obvious(even though his plan doesn't look to be working so well.) I also don't like how he thinks he can just ignore posts and get away with it because "I'm obviously not scum, stop wasting your time discussing me".
I'm a HER, thanks.yellowbunny - As surprising as this may seem, I'm actually finding yellow here a possible scum target. It's just the vibe that I get from his posts, and I thought Wall E did a good job(despite my thoughts on him) in showing his argumental flaws. I don't have many examples to point to, and I'm certainly not near voting for him, but I don't like the vibes I get from him.
What argumental flaws are you referring to?
Also I find it weird that in your first post of any real substance, you automatically vote for Cub (who is the easy target atm). Feels sorta like you are jumping on the easiest bandwagon.
QFT. Very interested to see what Jase has to say on this.Wall-e wrote:Walle writes:
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I've got my connection fixed now.
I'm really hoping Cubey comes back, if the bottom falls out of my case, I don't find the case against Wall-E all that compelling (I'm not sure why he's so close to being lynched).
Saying this is as scummy as voting without a reason. Can you tell me what reasons those who are on my wagon have given that you consider weak? Otherwise you're scum who knows I'm town and you're engaging in villagery.
Back to Hero...I find your suspicions to mirror Jase's very closely. Specifically:
1.) Jase finds me slightly scummy, yet provides no solid reason for it. You do the same in your post.
2.) Jase's top target is Cuberay (and has been his most vocal critic)...and you vote Cubarey right away.
3.) Jase is non commital on the Wall-e issue (Wall-e is kinda scummy to him but he's not sure he's scum), and that's exactly what you think.
If Jase were extremely prolific in his posting, I'd attribute this pattern to you being influenced by his eloquent arguments. However, Jase has been pretty quiet, so this raises red flags.
Also the looooong delay to get anything from you of real substance doesn't help your case.
Although I still find Wall-e suspicious, he is no longer my top suspect.
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Huh? Do you mean Wall-e? If so, if you read my post, you know I didn't intend the question to be rhetorical. So explain to me how its odd for me to want an answer to a question? If I ask someone what time it is, and they wrongly assume I'm making a rhetorical statement about how long something is taking...I'm going to ask them again til I get an answer. Same principal applies here. I also already explained this. Please cite another example which I haven't already addressed.Hero wrote: The one that sticks out most clearly in my mind is where you were trying to force rhetorical questions onto IK and telling him to answer them. Like I said, you aren't high on my suspect list, its mostly just vibes I'm getting from your post.
I said (in the very very early stages of the game), that something seemed a bit "off", but openly acknowledged that my statement had nothing real behind it. I'd also like to point out that was when we were offering our opinions on EVERYONE. I wouldn't have offered up something like that on its own since it was so flimsy, but I didn't really have anything else either way on X.
1) Uhh, ok. I seem to recall you saying the same things about X. Hypocrite.
Impossible? No. Unlikely? I think so.2) Because it's impossible to find someone suspicious when someone else already does, right?
Firstly, if you were using Jase as the source of your info...why on Earth would you ever say that? And on the delay...well...lurking is always suspicious.What redflags could that possibly raise? Did I ever site Jase as my source for the arguments? NEWSFLASH: It's possible for two people to think alike. What does the delay have to do with anything? Besides, of course, annoying you guys(which I am sorry for).
Did I vote for Jase when he first said I was scummy? No. So why would I omgus now?Answer me this: If I hadn't suspected you would you still have voted for me? Be truthful now."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Clarification:
Btw, I was referring to the SET of your suspicions...not the suspicion of one individual.Quote:
2) Because it's impossible to find someone suspicious when someone else already does, right?
Impossible? No. Unlikely? I think so.
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@Hero
By definition, a rhetorical question is one in which the individual asking doesn't expect an answer. As I very obviously did expect an answer, my question was not rhetorical.Yeah, Wall-E. Sorry about that. And I really don't want to get into this, but how do you make a rhetorical question without intending for it to be? That's just being careless with your scum hunting.
At the beginning of the game, there is significantly less information to draw from. Much of the early on suspicions are based on fluff. You, however, had 13 pages of material.How is what I said any scummier than what you said? And I'm not sure what it being in the early stages of the game has to do with anything.
Noted.Uh, well considering Cube and Wall-E are under suspicion from a lot of people, it seems kinda odd to just base the similarities of Jase and Me over the vibes I get from your post.
What about Wall-e's suspicion? Is it equally disturbing?Quote:
Firstly, if you were using Jase as the source of your info...why on Earth would you ever say that? And on the delay...well...lurking is always suspicious.
Oh, so you're assuming. I really love how you just have to make me be scum, your immediate bias towards me is a bit disturbing.
Hrm...now, I could be a major pain the butt and say I read that as a rhetorical question, and then call you out for asking it. But that just makes for quibbling, and tbh, despite the fact that I found your post scummy, you have gotten conversation going again...so kudos for that.And your ignoring of this:
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Well, that's a little agressive don't you think? I'm not allowed to find someone suspicious because other people do. Ok, sure, makes total sense. And please explain to me how Cub's bandwagon was easier than Wall-E's. Confused
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Oh and...
I thought the answer was obvious. If I had wanted to do OMGUS, I would have done so on Jase. I don't *DO* omgus. Its silly and illogical. Moreover, why would anyone omgus over the vague comment about me you made? Typically an omgus is in response to a vote, or at the very least, significantly more criticism than what you made.Quote:
Did I vote for Jase when he first said I was scummy? No. So why would I omgus now?
That doesn't answer my question.
Your question seemed like an attempt to undercut my comments (haha...she's just upset that I said I found her a teensy-tiny bit scummy...) Not the best reaction when under pressure imo."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Right...but like about half of those posts in those 6 pages were confirming, RVS and other such beginning stuff (ie little substance!) So lets adjust those page counts for that. I had 3 pages of material, you had 10. I'd say 333% increase in significant.Quote:
At the beginning of the game, there is significantly less information to draw from. Much of the early on suspicions are based on fluff. You, however, had 13 pages of material.
Ok, so I double check the post, and well it turns out it was on page 6. Not quite the very very early game, is it. Your need to exaggerate looks pretty bad.
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Wrong.Hero wrote: yellowbunny wrote:
Oh and...
I thought the answer was obvious. If I had wanted to do OMGUS, I would have done so on Jase. I don't *DO* omgus. Its silly and illogical. Moreover, why would anyone omgus over the vague comment about me you made? Typically an omgus is in response to a vote, or at the very least, significantly more criticism than what you made.
Your question seemed like an attempt to undercut my comments (haha...she's just upset that I said I found her a teensy-tiny bit scummy...) Not the best reaction when under pressure imo.
Well, your entire intial post stemmed from me and Jase being similar, while the only thing we were unique about was our slight suspicion of you. So, if I hadn't suspected you, I would be less similar to Jase, and thus your argument would have no merit. Right?
Not everyone is expressing suspicions of Wall-e. Not everyone is suspicious of Cubarey. I felt a sense of deja vu when reading your post. I said to myself "wow...the suspicions (both of who and what strength) and reasoning seem REALLY familiar here..."
As stated, the lurking thing didn't help. But what really jumped up at me was what seemed to me to be a rush to vote on Cubarey. Since he's mia...that struck me REALLY badly. Why not wait to find out if he picks up his prod or needs a replacement? Seemed strange.
So, I decided to vote you and see how you reacted to a bit of pressure. And now we see..."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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IK wrote: I absolutely love Hero v. yellowbunny. Very cutthroat, very nice. Absolutely nothing to add to it, but just wanted to say it's beautiful.
Haha...thanks.
And @Hero...although I *do* think you are scum...this is very fun. You've got me constantly refreshing my page lol...^^"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Again, I think its different because no one was seriously going to lynch Wall-e at that point (at least, I would have removed my vote). The only issue w/Wall-e was him being MIA. The Cubarey case has more to it than just that, so its a more serious thing. Do you see what I mean here?Why did I vote for CUB? Because I found him scummy, putting on pressure is never a bad thing. Why did you vote for Wall-E when he was MIA?
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I am getting extremely annoyed that Wall-E isn't posting. It screams scum...yet, I keep thinking that as an experienced player, he would know better and not do that. (I had a similar situation in the last game I was in...we lynched an inactive IC townie...) I've been going over this in my head (is he more or less likely to be lurking cuz he's scum if he's an IC?) but I think I'm getting to a WIFOM situation. So lets throw a little more fuel on the fire and...
vote: Wall-e
Also...we haven't heard from Jase or Noob in the past 2 days. I'd like to hear what you two have to say on the situation, and Jase...I'm still waiting for a response to my question...
Stop being a hypocrite.
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See what?
But seriously, I was not very suspicious of Noob. Your first big post made me suspicious of you. So I gave you a good poke...and now we have reactions...and now I can think about them and try to see which of the differing opinions I had of your slot makes more sense to me atm."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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I almost forgot about this...
Hero...what are your thoughts on this?Yellowbunny wrote:@Hero:
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So you are asserting that Wall-e is playing the "too scummy to be scum?" card? That's a well known logical fallacy. It seems unlikely to me to have scum pretending to be hardcore scummy so people will assume he's town.
Also...please see my post 217 (and the posts around there). I outline why I thought that the case against Qwints was similar to the case against Cubarey. However, your vote is on Cub and you state the following:
What specifically do you like about his posts? And can you please explain why you find him not at all scummy, but Cubarey scummy? Is it just because Cub is AWOL or do you have further evidence?qwints - Well, first I'll have to unvote my RV on him, its been long enough since the RVS lol. Anyways, he hasn't really posted much, but I like what I've seen of him from what he has posted. I couldn't find any flaws in his reasoning."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Well, a large part of the switch was because I wanted to provoke a reaction out of Hero. Let me be clear: I DO find Hero suspicious. But I felt very comfortable with Noob, and Hero's post struck me badly, and the game was lagging, so I felt the need to drama-llama a bit to get a.) get things moving and b.) put Hero under pressure to see how much he would squirm.Krev wrote: @YB - Ok, so it does seem a bit OMAGUS in how you have switched to Hero so suddenly. You have a good case against Wall-E and suddenly switch to Hero once he mentions he is getting scummy vibes from you. I say only a bit OMAGUS because you have given concrete reasons for your vote. I would ask you to think about your reasoning and consider if you are finding reasons or thinking there is more substance in your reasons because Hero said you seemed a bit scummy.
So let me be clear: I DO still find Wall-e scummy. More or less scummy than Hero? I know in my first post I said I found Hero more scummy, but that was to help apply pressure. TBH, I'm not sure at this point which one of them I like more for scum.
And I know my case against Wall-e is good. But there is more than one scum in the game...so a little more hunting never hurt the town. ^^
So why should I think you are Hero's partner? ^^ And regarding the Cubarey vs Wall-e...well...Hero VOTED for Cubarey. I think that sends a message about which case he takes more seriously.I obviously think there is a good case against Cubarey. You seem to ignore that there is indeed a good case there and instead make an immediate jump to Hero teaming up with Jase as the reason for his vote. (Why not me is one obvious question.) I do not see the connection other than that Hero liked the case against Cubarey better then Wall-E. Not sure that makes Hero anyone's partner.
I had too much of a migrane yesterday to be THAT cagey. Wall-e and Hero are my top suspects right now, followed by IK, followed by the lurkers. We aren't close to a lynch on either of them. If we had a deadline, I would support either a Wall-e or a Hero lynch...but for now, I'm content to keep watching those two.Some of this applies to IK as well. IK, it seems you REALLY want to lynch Wall-E and therefor attack Hero I guess with the intent to get him to switch to Wall-E? I find Wall-E suspicious for many reasons, but is there any reason to lynch him right now? We do not have a deadline, we have people who are still lurking, and we have another viable suspect with concrete scummy actions, not just poor posting or suspicious activity. I will unvote and will not support a lynch of Cubarey without him or a replacement getting an opportunity to post. Is it not prudent to wait for this before lynching Wall-E as well, no matter how scummy you find him?"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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And now, we will join our "straight out of left-field correspondent" Wall-e...Kreriov wrote: I just wondered about how you were connecting Hero and Jase so I could better understand your case/reasoning. I only really saw the same vote connection. As I reread your posts, would it be fair to say that you see Hero mirroring Jase in way that looks like he is following a scumbuddy's reasoning?
Like what?Wall-e wrote: Reading through the thread and assuming YB and IK are partners makes some of the things YB has done make a lot more sense.
Which one of IK's votes are you talking about? Who was he parroting? I don't follow. Please clarify.He starts with some distancing, downgrades his vote to an FOS, throws some suspicion my way and parrots someone else on why he feels that way, then goes on to slowly work himself into a lather over some point I missed or question I failed to answer.
Who am I supposed to be tunneling? You or Hero? And why do you say my vote probably isn't going to be removed from Hero? Do you think I should switch it back to my other top suspect (you)?YB: What questions/points would you like me to address, since I now think you're tunneling and therefore scum? Or are you uninterested in giving an innocent a chance to defend themselves from your probably-not-going-to-be-removed vote?
And you didn't post any objections to my going after Hero until AFTER my most recent post where I said under a deadline, I'd support a lynch of you, and that I thought my case against you was still valid. Unhappy about that?"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Yay, wb Jase!
Btw, I'm not sure how far you are in catching up, but I FOSed you cuz I thought Hero's suspicions looked a lot like your suspicions (see his large post).
So what do you think of that? I am completely off base? Do you think he is mimicking your views for some reason? Is it a coincidence?
And aside from that, what are your impressions of Hero? And do they mesh w/your previous thoughts on Noob?"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Oh...I see. Wall-E...I'm a GIRL. When you kept saying "he" I thought you were referring to IK, so that's a large part of why I was confused. But reading the "he" parts to be directed towards me...your post makes more sense now.
Anyway, one rather large hole in your argument:
Would be a interesting theory...unfortunately, it never happened.He starts by distancing IK, but soon downgrades his vote on IK to an FoS.The vote you are referring to is a figment of your imagination.
I voted Llue as a joke in the RVS stage (for being an Euler groupie), FOSed Kre for not liking peeps, FOSed IK for not revoting (something which many ppl thought was a bit scummy), voted for you while you were AWOL, unvoted when you returned, and then revoted for you when I felt your behavior warranted it, and there it lived until I switched it to Hero.
Regarding:
That's also pretty inaccurate. I wasn't "upset" with your failure to respond. I WAS upset. You have admitted that your behavior at that point wasn't helping the town at all. And seriously, Wall-e...you posted an apology and asked for time to dig your way out, and since then I have really been trying to give you some breathing room to dig your way out of the hole. That HARDLY constitutes tunneling.Next he throws some suspicion my way and parrots someone else's reasoning, then becomes increasingly "upset" with my failure to address some points, allowing that to be his reason for voting me. Later, he builds a case on me, completing the tunnel.
I'm sorry, but your whole argument isn't very logical to me. After your apology post, can you provide examples of me tunneling on you? And before it...well, you have admitted yourself that your behavior wasn't exactly pro-town. Its not wrong in a game of mafia to go after someone who is showing anti-town behavior."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Hero wrote: Logical fallacy? And what's so unlikely about it? And answer me this: Do you personally feel the way he's acting has been pro town?
Saying he's scum being so scummy he hopes he will think he cannot possibly be scum doesn't make sense. In order for that to be true, we'd have to commit something akin to "too townie to be town". If someone is acting scummy, that tends to indicate that they are scum. Saying someone is "too scummy to be scum" doesn't make sense. So for Wall-e to try to be "too scummy to be scum" doesn't make sense.
And no, I don't feel Wall-e has been pro-town overall. I do believe he is trying more now, but I am unsure if that is genuine or a desire to not get caught being scum.
Okay on the Qwints stuff atm...but I might have follow ups."Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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Hehe...well, okay. Not so sure I agree with you, but I can accept that answer.I think you just explained my reasoning in your own post Razz. Since it wouldn't make sense for him to be too scummy to be scum, then he would go for it in the hopes that others would think he was too scummy to be scum.
Here is another question for you. <offers Hero a chair and a martini> Let's stop fighting for a minute, and for the duration of this post and your answer to it, assume that you're town and I'm town. My question is...what do you make of the lack of participation from a lot of people? Despite the spike in posting, there are still quite a few people who are being very very quiet. Earlier, when Wall-e and I were butting heads (prior to your entrance) I thought that it was odd that these same people were being quiet. What do you make of this? I am starting to get this nagging worry that there is some scum sitting out there in that group, quietly laughing you, me, Wall-e and IK as we duke it out. So do you think that there has been too much fixation on Wall-e, and to a lesser extent, Cubarey and IK? Should we start looking under these other rocks? Or will that just introduce noise into this discussion?"Someone is playing with my mind, with my little gray cells. " - Hercule Poirot-
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