Open 120 - Rebels in the Palace - Game Over! before 756

[Zachrulez]

Hi all.

I'm replacing Shinnen

I noticed that I am replacing a self voter so I will undo that vote now

Unvote:

And I'll note that the mod has me voting twice...

just something that I thought I'd bring to her attention.

More later when I get home from work.

[Zachrulez]

I've read through the thread and generally disagree completely with the way my predecessor approached this game.

I do not believe random lynching is the best way to go about things in this game. You can argue the math to me all you like, but the more important fact that is getting ignored in that math is after you advocate a play that is likely to lynch rebels, our voting power is diluted, and the power of the guard and king vote becomes stronger.

It's not too hard to envision this strategy going completely wrong as it requires all but one of the town's vote to lynch the king until you hit guards... and that isn't even certain with random lynching.

Also there's the far simpler point that it's just downright lazy play.

I can not even begin to comprehend shinnen's play up to the point of replacement. 4 votes on me by other players and a self vote... this ought to be fun.

If we are going to insist on doing random lynches, why not lynch the one that proposed the idea in the first place? Empking.

I personally think it would be very interesting to see how he'd react if he did in fact get picked for a lynch by his own little random idea thing.

Anyway, that's where I stand.

I would probably suggest that this random lynching idea go to a vote though. If a majority of us agree on it, I'll go through with it despite my objections.

[Zachrulez]

We could dice roll it.

Who's gonna roll the dice?

[Zachrulez]

The reason I asked...

What if Empking is one of the guards or the king? Then we can't really trust HIM to do it can we?

[Zachrulez]

The reason I asked...

What if Empking is one of the guards or the king? Then we can't really trust HIM to do it can we?

Yes, you could as the dice doesn't mind who rolls them.

As ths post was just to make me look scummy while beng unable to show anything scummy.

Dice don't mind who rolls them.

But we have to trust whoever rolls them to put down the results that actually pop up on the dice.

Which I personally think is a legitimate concern.

And I don't recall saying that makes you look scummy at all. I simply pointed out a potential issue with your plan... one that you possibly didn't think of.

You certainly shouldn't be offended that my default position is not to trust you. I don't know your alignment, why should I?

[Zachrulez]

Taking a page from you.

Prove it.

[Zachrulez]

Can ou tell me if the mod gives you a warning for baiting?

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

I apologize if I'm not being clear enough with my concern.

From a purely mathmatical standpoint, there's a 1 in 3 chance you are not a rebel. (8 rebel roles, 4 non rebel roles.)

If you are a guard or the king, and you're rolling all the dice for our "random lynches" I think we can be pretty certain that the "dice roll" is never going to land on the king. (Unless you're going to try to convince us that you wouldn't play to your win condition in the case of hypothetically not being a rebel.)

Here comes the impending argument and attempt to convince us that you are in fact a rebel, and we can trust that your dice rolling will be totally unbiased, and exactly as they roll.

All the same, if we are going to lynch randomly, and we're going to roll to determine who gets lynched, (An idea I still oppose.) then I would prefer that we take turns doing it. (All of us I mean.)

[Zachrulez]

I want you to tell me if the mod gives you a warning for baiting.

You can't fix the dice rolls without people knowing.

Look, I'll do it again.

Original Roll String: 1d12 (STATIC)

1 12-Sided Dice: (12) = 12

Ah ha. Now I know what that function does.

I withdraw my objection on that front.

But still, it doesn't matter who does the rolls then, so I still don't see why we can't take turns.

[Zachrulez]

Zach: I'm interested in getting a response out of you, so if you could make a comment or impression you have of me and my point on Shin, then that would help me get a read on you. I don't mind you and EMPking 'going at it' but it isn't helping me get a better read on either of you.

In post 140?

I think EMPking is going at it with me more than I am going at it with him.

My main concern was with the whole aspect of his dice roll proposal. I now realize that there is a dice roll function, and can see why it would be impossible to fake the roll.

He's probably convinced that I am a guard or even the king based on Shinnen's play.

The fact that I've come in with basically the opposite mindset of Shinnen more or less proves that nothing I say is going to change his mind.

Anyway, just confirm for me that you want a response to 140.

[Zachrulez]

no, not 140. I meant my comments on Shin before you replaced in, not my comments on the result of you replacing in.

C

Oh, without citing anything specific that you want me to respond to, I generally find your comments on Shin fair.

As to why Shin played the way he did... I can't really answer that, I generally disagree with his approach to this game.

[Zachrulez]

I assumed it was the second list.

[Zachrulez]

you guys voting for Wall-E do realize that once we start we are going to lynch all 4 right?

Vote Wall-E

I think the votecount has Wall-E at L-1.

C

Eh, I think there's a lot of curiosity about these percentages, and a large willingness to actually do this and see what happens.

I will just throw out a stern warning to not necissarily expect the return that has been mathmatically calculated and...

Vote : Wall-E

[Zachrulez]

Vote: Zachrulez

He has to be a guard, right?

How so?

Keep in mind, this is lylo...

*Stares in amazement as 2 players have been lynched since he last posted.*

[Zachrulez]

There's a very good chance you're a guard. Don't let scum manipulate us, people! Stay with the program...

You want to lose the game on a good chance? Be my guest...

[Zachrulez]

emotional plea! OMG!

No... just a fact of life.

[Zachrulez]

Your entire case is based on mathmatical probability.

And you say I'm the one spouting crap?

... Whatever.

[Zachrulez]

To be honest, when I looked at my role PM, and saw that Zwet was the king...

I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.

[Zachrulez]

It's in the writeup. It was Qangan.

[Zachrulez]

That random lynching thing almost lost the town the game.

I could almost taste the victory after the mislynch that followed mine.

Then they lynched Corvus and I cursed.

[Zachrulez]

Interestingly, Zwet opted to attack me too, rather than try to derail the lynch.

After 3 mislynches, there was an argument for not doing the last one.

[Zachrulez]

Corvuus, I wasn't trying to get myself killed. I thought that you, zach, and qangan were guards for most of the game, and I thought if I hammered a couple I would look townier.

You would have been better served to try to derail the wagons if you had a guard read on us... cause every guard lynch gives the town an extra lynch.

And the more guards get lynched, the longer the game drags on, and the longer you need to hold on... and look how well that worked.