Mini 743: Sanity Ensues - Over!

[ZEEnon]

/confirm

[ZEEnon]

this is my first game too, Magus_Stragus,
but you don't see me announcing it to the world ..
oh wait, I guess i just did .

now.. who to vote for .
i have no clues .. yet .

Vote: Artem

it's just a gut feeling,
but i happen to trust my gut,
it's a part of me. <3

[ZEEnon]

mm oh sorry,
didn't really read all the messages .

[ZEEnon]

just re-read the posts to see
if i could get any clues .

First you vote fast argumenting a newbie card... now you rapidly switch to voting whoever votes you.

i agree with this .
he did seem quick to point
the finger at someone,
and switched it very soon afterwards
once someone else became involved.
(this is just me thinking out loud)

we need people to post more .
the more people discuss,
the more scumtells we may be able to receive .
&& that benefits the townspeople in general.

[ZEEnon]

FoS: ZEEnon

because not reading messages means you arnt trying hard to catch scum, because either your lazy, or you're scum

sorry, let me correct myself .
i meant i didn't read carefully enough,
not the fact that i didn't read the posts .

I don't get much the title of the game, but well, let's start with this!

for some reason i thought this
said something along the lines of:
"I don't get the game, but let's start with this!"
so i think it was a dyslexic moment. o.O

[ZEEnon]

I agree with the statements made about "gut talk," it always rubs me the wrong way when someone votes but doesn't outline any reasons like ZEEnon in 36, and even Azhrei in 44 though he didn't vote.

Oh, and voting by a gut feeling is not good enough. We need reasons.

i don't see why so many people
have a problem with the 'gut feeling' .
my post about that was intended to be funny,
and there isn't anything serious enough to vote on .
don't kill yourselves over it . let the mafia do it. *wink*
fact: people are gonna suspect me 'cause of that last remark.

ZEEnon and seb456 need to post more.

when some people are born, they receive a very special gift.
it's called a life OUTSIDE of the computer.
unfortunately, i don't think you've been informed of that, Magus_Stragus.
due to a ski trip i went today, i had to be away from the computer
for more than three hours. i apologize for not posting in that time.
it's probably the same for seb456. although he might just have nothing to say .
..or he could be trying to go on unnoticed.
either way, don't try to make people seem suspicious
just because they have other matters to attend to.

[ZEEnon]

I never said you were suspicious. I just was stating that you and seb only had

two posts

(one of them being the /confirmation) in three pages. That means that you need to post more, either to know your opinion, or to know that you are still with us.

i posted FOUR times before you said that ..
now coming to a total of six .
i've also been observing, (and impatiently waiting)
for people to post . i have a lot
of spare time on the weekends with no school .
also, if you weren't implying we were suspicious,
why didn't you include Azhrei as well ?
i believe he has posted far less .

Mod votecount, as per end of page 2

Artem

(3):

alexhans, hohum, ZEEnon

hohum (2):

Green crayons,

hohum

Azhrei (1):

Charrat

Magus_Stragus (1):

Tom

Charrat (0):
Green Crayons (0):
Tom (0):
ZEEnon (0):
alexhans (0):
seb456zig (0):

Not voting:

Azhrei, Magus_Stragus, seb456zig

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

i sure hope that self-vote on hohum's part
is a mistake, and not a scheme on Green Crayon's
part in order to make it seem like hohum
has more votes than he actually does .
&& why aren't YOU voing Magus_Stragus ?
(sorry if i seem 'mean', it's just you don't
really think before you post, or at least,
you make it seem to be that way .

[The votecount was corrected, please refer to clarification post below. - spring]

[ZEEnon]

by the way,

FoS: Green Crayons

[ZEEnon]

oh then i apologize to you, Green Crayons,
for the misunderstanding .

[ZEEnon]

How is your gut feeling since I made my last post?
@ZEE: Same question.

as i stated earlier,
i don't have enough to go by
in order to vote .
but if i DON'T vote,
people will view it as suspicious .
so my vote with remain with Artem,
until something comes along
to change my opinion .

[ZEEnon]

oh okay good,
i was about to change my vote ..

[ZEEnon]

@ hohum: I would have changed
my vote to put pressure on you.
plus i would have told you that
you didn't read clearly enough,
which has also happened to me before .

[ZEEnon]

haha wow Tom, i think that
we can become good friends .
i really hope you aren't scum. xD
i think that my posts look more
aestetically pleasing if
i cut them up. (at least to me)
im a bit of a perfectionist .
overall, i agree with all your posts .

[ZEEnon]

Well, my opinion on that, just my opinion, is that I don't like. I find harder to read the way you post, ZEEnon. However, I'm not demanding you to change it or anything like that, just saying my little opinion.

you have a right to voice
your opinion, Magus_Stragus .
i would think it would make
it easier for you. it reduces
the distance you have to move your eyes .
but nevermind that, we are off-topic .

[ZEEnon]

MFoS: ZEEnon

because of attempting to make friends. Why would a vanilla townie try to make friends? ZEEnon, if you answer this in a nonscummie way then i'll stop thinking of you as potential scum (for the time being)

adding to that, scum would want to make friends to gain townie trust. With the trust of a few townies (or even "befriending" one of his fellow mafia in daylight) would cause him to apear less scum unless you actually think about it. Or... he could just be a power role, trying to figure out who to protect/investigate. But that seems unlikely to me. A bit of WIFOM for the mafia for now seems good.

i'd rather not draw attention to myself,
but who says that i'm a regular vanilla townie ?
i don't particularly care if you think of me
as potential scum. if i was scum,
i would definitely be concerned with my post
in order to stop you from thinking that, but i welcome it.
(although this also could be seen as a scumish plot
to make it seem that i'm not scum
because i don't care.. so whatever. lose-lose situation.)

[ZEEnon]

a vanilla townie would try to
make friends so that there is
less of a chance of them being
lynched incorrectly, and
so that they have more support
when they are sure someone
else is scum. also there isn't
much difference from the reasons
why a mafia member would want to make friends.
i only was friendly to Tom because
he voiced some similar opinions
of mine. i'm still aware that this is
a competitive game, so i can't
trust him too completely.
(by the way i'm posting via
my iPod Touch since my internet is down,
so i may get lazy with my posts .

[ZEEnon]

competitive as in townspeople vs. mafia .
need I explain more ?
(i did warn my posts would be shorter)

[ZEEnon]

I don't really understand what is suspicious about not voting when you have no reason to. If a bandwagon started to form around Artem and he was about to be lynched, would you unvote then because you don't actually want Artem to be lynched, or would you be comfortable seeing Artem lynched today?

(i'll be using a computer for a bit)
that's a good point .
i'm pretty sure that i would remove
my vote, but just to avoid suspicion,
i will remove it now.

Unvote

[ZEEnon]

Please don't answer questions on behalf of other people. You're more than welcome comment and call my motives into question AFTER he answers it.

i believe i've answered this already .

1. At this moment, are there any players that you believe are town? If so, why?
2. At this moment, are there any players that you suspect are mafia? If so, why?
3. How would you choose who to lynch today if you do not yet have any suspicions of who may be mafia?

1. No .
2. No .
3. truthfully if our deadline was today, hohum .

[ZEEnon]

to explain my would-be vote on hohum ..
this is taken from the official MafiaWiki :

Day 1 Mafia Errors

Voting each other while FOSing a non-mafia. This is very common.
After a mafia dies (or even an innocent if you are observant) go back through your analysis.
Wishy Washy voting patterns and wagon jumping.

Asking for excessive explanation from co-mafia.

If a mafia is about to be lynched, they often use Wine In Front Of Me.
Don't, it's too easy to screw it up and it's even more likely that you already screwed it up.
Voting without any good reason, or indeed any reason whatsoever.

Deliberately avoiding/ giving half-answers to queries from other players.
Mis-quoting/selective quoting. Only scum should need to provide false evidence.

the bolded points are ones that MAY apply .
i say may because as i answered Charrat's
second question, i don't FULLY suspect anyone as mafia .

[ZEEnon]

the bolded points are ones that

MAY

apply .

[ZEEnon]

i know, i didn't say
that it is enough to go on,
but if there is a conversation
that does not even make sense,
but it seems to make sense to
two particular players, it could
be safe to assume those two are working together .
this isn't always the case.
&& i don't think it's relevant to our situation .

[ZEEnon]

So, let me see if I'm getthing this well, which I think I'm not:

You're accusing yourself and seb to be working together? Well, that means that you are either masons or mafia. So, I think I'm not getting your point well, ZEE. Care to explain a bit better?

you are correct to assume you are not .
no, i'm not accusing me or seb456zig of anything,
please don't put words in my mouth .
i meant that when someone that accuses someone
with lack of evidence or reasons
it

MAY

just be scum trying to make it seem
like the other player isn't his partner
so if one of them is caught/ found later on
in the game, the other one won't be suspected .

[ZEEnon]

how could you forgot about masons,
they are the best !
just kidding, i think I forgot too . :[
plus this is My first game,
so i wasn't really expecting any
other roles, haha .

if THE cop is killed before day four,
how DO you expect them to
even have a Chance to reveal Their results ?
how do you even know we have a cop ?

the title does make it seem like
the mafia has a certain advantage of some sort .. :[
OR like seb456zig mentioned,
we may have a naive cop .

[ZEEnon]

haha i actually didn't know
where to start up for that,
so i ended up here .
i don't see any difference however .
&& i believe i played that
card far earlier in the game .
plus i'm not stating it
to protect myself or whatever ..
i'm stating that i wasn't aware
that other roles were in this game .

[ZEEnon]

i'm already in two other games,
i located them after signing up for this one ..
and why are you so sure i'm
going to DIE, scum ?

[ZEEnon]

although i enjoy this game the most out of my current games,
some of you can be really ANNOYING at times .

4.ZEEnon ~ Newbie, but the question is, newbie town, or newbie scum. I'm not sure. (and, please, could, you, type, normally, it, screws, my, head, over)

And ZEEnon, newb boy, too.

What does this means? I hope youre not playing the aforementioned card

@ Azhrei, there was no reason to include
the word newbie .. if that affects your vote
then you are clearly misguided .
if i never stated i was new to this,
you would never be able to tell .
can you guys get over this ?
did i ask for anyone to go easy on me ? no .
i merely stated a fact .
i don't think you are reading carefully
enough, or you are mafia becaaaaause
i mentioned this fact a LONG time ago :

this is my first game too, Magus_Stragus,
but you don't see me announcing it to the world ..
oh wait, I guess i just did .

whether or not i'm new doesn't
affect my ability to play the game.
normally it COULD, but i played
so much in real life, the only difference
is that i had to learn the acronyms,
which i easily did through the wiki .

[ZEEnon]

oh alright .

[ZEEnon]

2. ZEEnon & possibly hohum. ZEEnon plays a lot like Chuck Norris did in my first game (go look me up and META!!!) I dont have any of my own reasons for hohum but others seem to think he's realy scummie and when i find any scum behavior

BAM

one point for the town, but until then ima listen to his reasoning.

i like how i'm suspected because i act
like someone else you know
from a previous game .
*imitates childish voice*
bad people wear black..
you wear black..
your a BAD person ! :O
(there is no difference between your
post, and this childish remark)

i also find it funny
how people are suspecting me
due to me mentioning this
is my first game . that is a very
scumish thing to say playing online i guess .
at least i'm learning new things .......

[ZEEnon]

i don't conform .

[ZEEnon]

but not conforming,
i'm doing just the opposite,
trying NOT to be "the cool kid" .
you contradicted yourself there .
i'm no longer replying to posts
about my typing style,
it's now against my newly-made religion .

[ZEEnon]

i'd like to win my first game,
but with nobody working together
it doesn't seem like it's going to happen .

Mod votecount, as per end of previous page

hohum (3)

:

Green crayons, Artem, Azhrei,

alexhans (1):

hohum,

Artem (1):

alexhans

seb456zig (1):

Magus_Stragus

ZEEnon (1):

seb456zig,

Azhrei (0):
Magus_Stragus (0):
Charrat (0):
Green Crayons (0):
Tom (0):


Not voting (3):

Charrat, Tom, ZEEnon

Deadline set to February the 20th.

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

[ZEEnon]

ughh, i'm tired of every post i read being about my writing. i'll change it. you people really need to learn to adapt. (i'm going to post less now, since i don't even like how my posts look)

[ZEEnon]

i'd rather hurt my eyes than hurt yours . at least you said thank you .

[ZEEnon]

I checked that explanation, and I don't really find it satisfactory. And yes, there probably is scum on your wagon somewhere, or will be soon. Regardless of your alignment, it'd be a stupid partner (or partners, as the case may be) that didn't recognize that the town was leaning towards you being scum already.

And you really haven't answered much else I (and others) have said. I'd suggest perhaps quoting my post, because I think it contains most of the arguments against you, and answering each accusation. But you know, that's just what I think.

I have attempted to answer your questions, along with everyone else's. You reject my explanations. It's not going to matter what I say to you, so why bother trying? You're just going to sit there and twist and contort my posts until they mean exactly what YOU want them to mean -- I'm scum.

Your attempts haven't been obvious to me, sorry. Please quote them. (Quotes are king and god) I, myself, am quite happy to read your explanations. And I hate it when people say I twist things, because I try my best not to. And no, I'm not convinced you're scum, you're just the person I consider to be scummiest so far. If you provide me with decent why you aren't scum, I will most likely unvote, and go my merry way scumhunting elsewhere, and keep my eye on you. Until then, I'm gonna keep voting you.

Fair enough?

You've already rejected most of what I've had to say outright. I know you'll probably dismiss this reply as evasive too. It's alright -- keep wagoning me -- lynch me. I don't mind taking one for the team. That way when I flip everyone will see you for what you really are: opportunistic and scummy.

7 pages into day 1? And you're already convinced?

*facepalm*

no offense hohum, i think you seem genuine, (although i'm really gullible) but the only reason i haven't switched my vote to you is because you made your account on my birthday. i think it's in your best interests to defend/ explain yourself. please don't give up. it kind of ruins the game and makes us all feel sort of depressed when you just give yourself up like that. also putting Azhrei on the spot like that can only 'cause trouble. i've been in a game where everyone was completely against me, but i defended myself calmy, and we eventually lynched the real scum. by giving up like that, you only give us all the more reason to suspect you. (haha this post sounds so emotional, sorry it seems that way)

[ZEEnon]

@pplz quoting my explanation of "BAM, one point for the town" is a previctory shout. And also, i want my own reasons because using someone elses reasons is stupid. They can easily make it look another way (by accident or on purpose). If i spot a scumtell (a REAL one) then ill probably vote. Im not saying i will, but im definently not saying i wont. The bad thing about my position now is that either...

i can't make a proper post since i have to head out, but that first part makes it seem like you are trying a little too hard to seem innocent.

Mod votecount, as per end of previous page

(Actually, no vote change since last page, posting this only for consistency.)

hohum (3)

:

Green crayons, Artem, Azhrei,

alexhans (1):

hohum,

Artem (1):

alexhans

seb456zig (1):

Magus_Stragus

ZEEnon (1):

seb456zig,

Azhrei (0):
Magus_Stragus (0):
Charrat (0):
Green Crayons (0):
Tom (0):

Not voting (3):

Charrat, Tom, ZEEnon

Deadline set to February the 20th.

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

[ZEEnon]

i know i said that i suspected hohum, and that if we had to vote at that point i would vote him, but i change my mind.
maybe it's just me, but hohum seems innocent to me now that i re-read the thread again.

Are you trying to cover up your scumbuddy Hohum?

OMGUS-by-proxy? You really are reaching for conclusions right now.

FoS: Artem

if someone said the same thing to me that Artem said to hohum, i think i would have responded in a similar manner. in one post Artem tried to shift the attention to both alexhans and hohum, two people who i feel are innocent thus far. not sure what OMGUS-by-proxy means though. can someone explain the concept to me please? not the OMGUS part.

i'm already in two other games,
i located them after signing up for this one ..
and why are you so sure i'm
going to DIE, scum ?

i wonder why seb456zig (i remembered your username, yay!) never replied.

i think Azhrei is innocent so far,
since he didn't really react when Charrat said:

3. I would choose to lynch the least active or contributory player, probably Azhrei.

not that it means anything, but unless those two are working together, it makes them slightly less suspicious to me. (even though Azhrei is on my bad side. sorry, i'm honest)

oh alright .

when i said this i was kind of sick of reading your posts, so let me respond properly:

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying entirely, person-who-types-annoyingly. I'd have been calling you newbie regardless of whether or not you'd said it, because that's how you're acting. I'm calling you newbie, because you're acting like one. It doesn't influence my vote at all, because I'm still trying to figure out what type of newbie you're acting like.

actually, you wouldn't have. i can guarantee you,

100%

, if i never mentioned that i was new, you would NOT be calling me a newbie. be honest. i'm positive about this.

Any roads, back to the game... <other boring stuff>

haha i've noticed this for a while. it's not really relevant, but you meant

ways

, right? just to clarifiy, because it confused me for a couple seconds.

[ZEEnon]

What makes you so sure that you aren't going to die?

well obviously i'm going to be killed with you as the mafia. i never said that i

wasn't

going to get killed, so there is no point in asking that question, and even less of a point of me answering it.

[ZEEnon]

I also find it interesting you've chosen not to comment upon the recent Seb case beyond that little one line about wondering why he never replied.

i have no idea what the hell you are talking about. it's highly likely that i missed it, so please inform me.

[ZEEnon]

people may view this as me voting him just because Charrat has, but i was just about to place my votes regardless ..

Vote: seb456zig

the fact that he seemingly knows that i'm going to be killed is suspicious to me. not only that but he tries to makes everyone picture him as a vanilla townie. he also says to picture him as one, which means that he thinks we don't view him as one. i don't think i really thought of him seriously as mafia but now that he has said that, and by re-reading his posts, i don't know why i didn't see it before. he also quite obviously tried to fish for my role.

So, I'm confused. Is this your first game (so you wouldn't be expecting roles beyond a cop) or are you an experienced mafia player who has real-life mafia experience (and so roles beyond simply a cop wouldn't be out of the extraordinary)? I don't see how your two quotes match up.

i have real-life mafia experience with only townies and mafia. does that match up for you?

[ZEEnon]

which means that he thinks we don't view him as one

Well obviously, because you just voted for me.

he also quite obviously tried to fish for my role.

Just trying to see if you're mafia. How can that be scummie?

What I personally believe (quote me if I die)
ZEEnon & Charrat are scumbuddies

Hohum is town
Alexhans is town

others im not sure about. If you have any questions for me, please ask them.

the only interaction between me and Charrat are that we both are voting for you. i don't see your conclusions are being very helpful, since they are just going with what some people have already said, as shown in bold. also, why would we want to quote you if you die?

[ZEEnon]

Just trying to see if you're mafia. How can that be scummie?

What I personally believe (quote me if I die)
ZEEnon & Charrat are scumbuddies

so i assume that my answer made you believe that i'm mafia?

[ZEEnon]

the only interaction between me and Charrat are that we both are voting for you

This is the puppy & master pairup. You follow whatever Charrat tells you to do because he is more experienced than you.

you are just spitting out theories like crazy, yet you have no solid proof for any of them. you are acting like a desperate mafiosa trying to find something, ANYTHING, to pass the blame to .

@everyone: Dead people can speak. Just watch what they have said in previous posts (i know noone is dead yet, but i think this day is comming to a close)

just because some crazy dead person said that they suspected so-and-so doesn't mean that so-and-so is scum. also, i think this day is far from over, you are over-reacting .. there are only four votes on you. that means that you need two more votes. somebody is most likely going to find a flaw with one of the people that are voting you, (most likely me) and then votes will shift once again .

[ZEEnon]

Just trying to see if you're mafia. How can that be scummie?

What I personally believe (quote me if I die)
ZEEnon & Charrat are scumbuddies

so i assume that my answer made you believe that i'm mafia?

please answer this as well .
it was in a separate post,
so you couldn't have missed it .

[ZEEnon]

also, why would we want to quote you if you die?

Mod votecount, as per end of previous page

seb456zig

(4):

Magus_Stragus, alexhans, Charrat, ZEEnon

hohum (3):

Green crayons, Artem, Azhrei,

alexhans (1):

hohum,

ZEEnon (1):

seb456zig,

Artem (0):
Azhrei (0):
Magus_Stragus (0):
Charrat (0):
Green Crayons (0):
Tom (0):

Not voting (1):

Tom,

Deadline set to February the 20th.

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Prod count: Green Crayons, hohum,

Tom

[ZEEnon]

Just trying to see if you're mafia. How can that be scummie?

What I personally believe (quote me if I die)
ZEEnon & Charrat are scumbuddies

so i assume that my answer made you believe that i'm mafia?

please answer this as well .
it was in a separate post,
so you couldn't have missed it .

I was going to answer it, but then I realised I wasn't sure.
I've now backtracked and remember that I've thought of you long before that post you made. Remember that I've already voted you.

if you weren't sure.. why did you vote me ? also, explain to me the reasons why you thought of me long before. every post you reply to me with just gets more and more vague. and Azhrei seems to be defending you really well. of course i'm not going to jump to conclusions, as you are.

just because some crazy dead person said that they suspected so-and-so doesn't mean that so-and-so is scum.

So what you're saying is that, since alive people can say the same things as dead people could've when they were alive... Are you telling me that we shouldn't listen to alive people's suspitions because they are potential crazy dead people? I trust dead townie posts more because they are confirmed town. Please explain your logic here

even more suspicions to go on. how are you SO SURE that the person that is going to be lynched/ killed is going to be town. assuming that you are scum, which i currently believe, we won't be listening to your accusations at all. we will however read all relations and voting patterns of yours. you may have voted your partner to confuse us, so we also have to be aware of that. also, if you turn up as town, i will allow myself to be lynched day two as compensation.

I also realise the loaded question was a bit too

obvious

. oh well

Fixed. It's what he meant.

I also find it interesting you've chosen not to comment upon the recent Seb case beyond that little one line about wondering why he never replied.

i have no idea what the hell you are talking about. it's highly likely that i missed it, so please inform me.

So, one post, you claim not to know what I'm talking about when I adress the recent seb case. Then...

people may view this as me voting him just because Charrat has, but i was just about to place my votes regardless ..

Vote: seb456zig

the fact that he seemingly knows that i'm going to be killed is suspicious to me. not only that but he tries to makes everyone picture him as a vanilla townie. he also says to picture him as one, which means that he thinks we don't view him as one. i don't think i really thought of him seriously as mafia but now that he has said that, and by re-reading his posts, i don't know why i didn't see it before. he also quite obviously tried to fish for my role.

So, I'm confused. Is this your first game (so you wouldn't be expecting roles beyond a cop) or are you an experienced mafia player who has real-life mafia experience (and so roles beyond simply a cop wouldn't be out of the extraordinary)? I don't see how your two quotes match up.

i have real-life mafia experience with only townies and mafia. does that match up for you?

... You talk about the Seb case! And not only talk, you vote! So... Yeah. Wtf?

you said something about a

"little one line about wondering why he never replied"

, which confused me, as i have no idea which little one line (seems to me you are trying to belittle my question)

And really, your reasons for voting are

crap

. It's basically a dressed up OMGUS. Your main reason really seems to be he thinks you won't make it to endgame. (Honestly, I don't think you will either) The rest really just seems to be piggybacking off Charrat and GC. And then that last comment... 'does that match up for you?' fuuuuck. Could you sound any scummier, you seem to be trying to make up whatever you think he will believe.

calling anyone's reasons for voting

that

should never be done. yes, some people's reasons don't make sense. yes, some people's reasons are based on false premises. yes, some people's reasons don't make sense at all. but never should you take this game so seriously that you insult another person's beliefs. continuing on.. it was not an OMGUS. i did not vote for him for the sole reason that he voted for me. i voted for him because i personally believe that he is a mafia member. i think that everyone should vote that way. they should vote for someone because they personally believe it, not because other people are starting to think that way, as it appears seb456zig is. he says so-and-so seems suspicious and scummy, yet he leaves his vote on me. not that i care but everytime i see someone else being accused of something, i see seb456zig agree with them, saying: "oh i thought that too but i didn't want to say anything" basically.

people in this game rip each and every point to shreds. yes, i mentioned that i would like to befriend Tom. that could be due to the fact, oh i don't know, that maybe i could be NEW to this forum. perhaps i haven't made any aquaintances yet. you all are staring in one direction, missing everything in the other ones.

[ZEEnon]

got prodded. I'm around waiting to be lynched.

get over yourself.
you have what, three votes ?

[ZEEnon]

2) If you are town, you should never put yourself up on an altar. All it does is create WIFOM for town and a free point for the scum;

if he flips town, people will point to me regardless. they won't take into account that townspeople do make mistakes .

[ZEEnon]

I also realise the loaded question was a bit too

obvious

. oh well

Fixed. It's what he meant.

no. I meant strong. I apologize and do you do? You fucking shit on my post. Why the fuck would a town do that? Why are you wasting time on such small things? Why are you changing the way people are suposed to read the post? WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? Do you think you are helping the town acting like this? How does this benefit the town?

Some loaded questions for you, because I dislike you.
ooc:
this is ingame hate, and will not be applied in future games.

i changed it because that's how it seems to me. i wanted to let you know how i'm seeing it.

[ZEEnon]

seb456zig, no matter how bad it makes me look, i am not going to change my vote from you. sorry, but my instincts are telling me not to. each time someone posts something, you just agree or make it seem like you were also feeling/ thinking the same thing. thats exactly like scum trying to get out of a situation or buy some sympathy .

also, your selective reading makes you seem even more suspicious.

if

you turn up as town, i will allow myself to be lynched day two as compensation.

if

he flips town, people will point to me regardless. they won't take into account that townspeople do make mistakes .

notice the 'if' that are bolded. i didn't say WHEN you turn up as town. i didn't say WHEN you flip innocent, people will point to me.

Wait, so now I'm town? What is this? Are you just trying to make yourself look good in front of the camera while I (and possibly a few others) can see you for what you are. You're appologizing for a mistake you havn't made yet.

HONESTLY, who doesn't see that as scummie?

i'm not the type of person who gives up, but i SO wish that i could just let myself be lynched and then everyone would KNOW that i'm innocent. i don't think YOU or anyone else can see me for what i really am, since you are looking at a computer screen. also, i never said anything about apologizing. even

IF

(yes, i'm going to bold my 'if's now so you can notice them) you are lynched and shown to be innocent, i will NOT apologize. the way you are acting is indeed not pro-town. i said that

IF

it makes the town feel better, they can lynch me. i didn't say anything about being sorry for your death. not that you are going to turn up innocent, according to how i feel.

[ZEEnon]

zeenon has gone from making very bad posts to very good ones. bravo.

coming from an experience player, that means a lot. thanks. (if this looks like i'm trying to make friends, screw you)

[ZEEnon]

@hohum: why are you backing him up? It doesn't seem like an incredibly good post. It has a few flaws. Can you not see how claiming town is a scummie thing to do?

would you like to take the time to point out those flaws?

Just trying to see if you're mafia. How can that be scummie?

What I personally believe (quote me if I die)
ZEEnon & Charrat are scumbuddies

so i assume that my answer made you believe that i'm mafia?

please answer this as well .
it was in a separate post,
so you couldn't have missed it .

I was going to answer it, but then I realised I wasn't sure.
I've now backtracked and remember that I've thought of you long before that post you made. Remember that I've already voted you.

if you weren't sure.. why did you vote me ? also, explain to me the reasons why you thought of me long before. every post you reply to me with just gets more and more vague. and Azhrei seems to be defending you really well. of course i'm not going to jump to conclusions, as you are.

you still haven't told me the reasons you voted me .

[ZEEnon]

I was going to answer it, but then I realised I wasn't sure.
I've now backtracked and remember that I've thought of you long before that post you made. Remember that I've already voted you.

if you weren't sure.. why did you vote me ? also, explain to me the reasons why you thought of me long before. every post you reply to me with just gets more and more vague. and Azhrei seems to be defending you really well. of course i'm not going to jump to conclusions, as you are.

you still haven't told me the

reasons

you voted me .

I voted you because I found you a bit suspitious. My suspitions increased. Now I'm almost certain that you're scum.

i want

reasons

, not your lame statements.

@hohum: why are you backing him up? It doesn't seem like an incredibly good post. It has a few flaws. Can you not see how claiming town is a scummie thing to do?

would you like to take the time to point out those flaws?

Well your argument on the word IF had no logical sense, and when you (ZEE)said "seb456zig, no matter how bad it makes me look, i am not going to change my vote from you. sorry" you failed to realise how im not trying to change your vote, im trying to show people that there are other scummie people out there (points at ZEE)

no logical sense, you say ? 'if' is just a short way of me writing 'in the chance that' . how does that not make sense to you?

i'm not the type of person who gives up, but i SO wish that i could just let myself be lynched and then everyone would KNOW that i'm innocent.

Stating you're innocent is a scumtell in my book. This is a desperate attempt to avoid dying and get people on his side before anything bad happens to him, so that the majority wont end up killing him.

avoid dying? i don't think there is any need for me to avoid dying as i have

one

vote on me so far.

you are lynched and shown to be innocent, i will NOT apologize

what a nice, protown thing to say.
/sarcasm

give me reasons why i

SHOULDN'T

think that you are scum, by the way you are acting towards me.

---

also when you type, can you please address

me

? the way you always say 'him' or 'ZEEnon' makes it seem like you are talking to everyone else, but NOT me. if i'm talking to you, i want the answer to be directed towards me. you keep tryng to get other people involved. not that they don't deserved to be involved, but they can add their own points if they want to, not because you are addressing them as well.

[ZEEnon]

i'm going to try to tie this argument up because i agree with the majority, it is getting us nowhere . i'll reply to your previous posts though .

I was going to answer it, but then I realised I wasn't sure.
I've now backtracked and remember that I've thought of you long before that post you made. Remember that I've already voted you.

if you weren't sure.. why did you vote me ? also, explain to me the reasons why you thought of me long before. every post you reply to me with just gets more and more vague. and Azhrei seems to be defending you really well. of course i'm not going to jump to conclusions, as you are.

you still haven't told me the

reasons

you voted me .

I voted you because I found you a bit suspitious.

My suspitions increased. Now I'm almost certain that you're scum.

i want

reasons

, not your lame statements.

How is that a lame statement? You didn't even say why you voted me (or i just forgot, if i did please quote it)

it's a lame statement because i asked you for reasons. i could go up to someone and say: "i vote you because you are suspicious !". that isn't giving

reasons

, is it ? that is exactly what you did in the underlined part.

@hohum: why are you backing him up? It doesn't seem like an incredibly good post. It has a few flaws. Can you not see how claiming town is a scummie thing to do?

would you like to take the time to point out those flaws?

Well your argument on the word IF had no logical sense, and when you (ZEE)said "seb456zig, no matter how bad it makes me look, i am not going to change my vote from you. sorry" you failed to realise how im not trying to change your vote, im trying to show people that there are other scummie people out there (points at ZEE)

no logical sense, you say ? 'if' is just a short way of me writing 'in the chance that' . how does that not make sense to you?

Saying "if" is stating that you understand that not everyone thinks you are mafia and not telling them what you believe (like a newbie). Are you realy saying that it wouldnt be so suspitious if i said {when i flip town your all gonna be like wtf and vote ZEE}. See my point?

i'm sorry, i didn't understand this at all. not trying to be mean or anything, but it didn't make sense to me. i can't answer it if i don't even understand the point you are trying to get across.

i'm not the type of person who gives up, but i SO wish that i could just let myself be lynched and then everyone would KNOW that i'm innocent.

Stating you're innocent is a scumtell in my book. This is a desperate attempt to avoid dying and get people on his side before anything bad happens to him, so that the majority wont end up killing him.

avoid dying? i don't think there is any need for me to avoid dying as i have

one

vote on me so far.

But you know that I know you're scum

, that makes me a risk to your people, which means that you could die if others thought like i did. Dont get cocky, you'll regret it.

haha nice try. i know that you '

think

' i'm scum. not that you KNOW. you might know that i'm town, but you can't KNOW if i'm scum. if other people thought like you did, i think we'd all die. stating a fact is cocky?

you are lynched and shown to be innocent, i will NOT apologize

what a nice, protown thing to say.
/sarcasm

give me reasons why i

SHOULDN'T

think that you are scum, by the way you are acting towards me.

Because I honestly believe you're scum.

once again, i asked for reasons, not another worthless statement. i continuously ask you to explain but you give me something else, thinking that i will not know the difference between what i want to know and what you are giving me.

What I was TRYING to do with that was FORCE ZEE into an uncomfortable position to see if he would do a scumtell or sumthing, but then everyone started to back him up. I find it a little suspisious.

@everyone that wants to do REAL scumhunting, not just watch me follow my suspitions: then say something about someone that isnt me or zee

force me into an uncomfortable position to get me to drop a scumtell? i thought you were so sure of me being scum just a few posts back.. i guess you change your mind quite easily. also, are you saying that everyone 'backing me up' (not really backing up since they are just finding fault in your posts, not supporting me) is scum as well? that is quite a few mafia for a ten player game .

---

let's merge everyone back into the conversation now. the other mafia member(s) have been easily hiding during this argument.

[ZEEnon]

ps: I REALY hope it's over now

just for you, i won't reply .

[ZEEnon]

i have to head out but i've been thinking.. nobody has really come to seb456zig's defense yet. which is surprising, assuming that he is scum. normally there would be

someone

defending their partner with the majority of votes. i'm starting to doubt my vote a little. i'll try to post more when i get back .

[ZEEnon]

SEB456ZIG IS TOWN? if i seen the roleclaim and the birthday bit, i would have unvoted. i'm kind of a sentimental person, haha.
darn, i didn't even suspect alexhans, so his death doesn't help at all.
about the nightkill, i don't mind since the naive cop was exactly like a townsperson, if not worse.

seb456zig (6): Magus_Stragus, alexhans, Charrat, ZEEnon, Zerophear, Green crayons

so with alexhans dead, and since i know my role, here is who i suspect could possibly be the mafia:

Magus_Stragus

- he voted seb456zig far in the beginning, so i doubt that he is scum. can't be too sure though .

Charrat

- i feel is the most suspicious player to me so far. seems to lurk very smoothly, meaning that he posts rarely and when he does, it doesn't really provide any of his views on the game, just tries to make it seem like he is contributing. i'm very uneasy about him. :\

Zer0ph34r

- NO IDEA why he would claim cop. i think it's fake. like seriously, what kind of person would claim? i don't see how it benefits. mafia won't kill you since they know you might be getting wrong results anyways. even if you get right results, nobody can tell if they are true or not. therefore, i'm going to be watching you closely.

Green Crayons

- although a final hammer vote was not needed, he said that no-lynch was a bad thing. i would have unvoted seb456zig if i seen his plea about his birthday, but unfortunately i woke up too late to stop Green Crayons from hammering. there was no need to hammer because deadline was almost over, but perhaps he wanted to make sure that nobody would change votes last minute, as i would have.

---

hohum, at first I found you suspicious, but I can relate to the fact that you know your role in this game and your playing how you want. I was originally going to vote to lynch you, but seeing this side of your thoughts, as risky as this may be, I'm going to go with the next most suspicious person I found, which was seb456zig.

Vote: seb456zig

why would you NOT vote for the person that you find the most suspicious. i don't get it. if i found someone suspicious, i would be all over them.

ZEEnon, only stupid scum defend their partners, really. You should always try and keep your distance from your partners when you're scum.

this quote seems forced and really suspicious to me .

---

i wouldn't be surprised if Artem and hohum were both townspeople that just think that each other is scum. i'm not going to pay attention to those two for now since i'm more suspicious of the players i mentioned above.

not going to place down my vote just yet because i think we all should discuss things related to seb456zig and the night kill first before we get to the lynching. i'm wary of Charrat however, and as such, i'd like to hear from him. i'll ask him a series of questions, just like he asked to all of us.

1. what are your views on the lynch of seb456zig? why did you not remove your vote when more people started voting him?
this is your only explanation of voting him:

Vote: seb456zig

For his curious and not-quite-pro-town strategy of hiding his reasons for voting, and for ignoring questions into said strategy.

after that, you say little about him, and keep your vote on him.

FOS: Charrat

2. how do you feel about the nightkill? why do you think the mafia would target him, and who had previous relations with him before?

3. as of now, who do you consider possible mafia or mafia pairings?

---

side note: curious, how do you pronounce your name Charrat ?
i like to read things out loud so i can understand them better, and i probably pronounce your name wrong all the time.

[ZEEnon]

i will try to catch up on day two tomorrow, i have to start studying for an exam i have tomorrow .

[ZEEnon]

umm... In all honesty, the roleclaim was not particularly absolving (even though it was true) and the birthday thing, while unfortunate, was not a good reason to unvote someone.

I know but as I stated, I am sort of a sentimental person .

Uhhhhhh. One bandwagon resulting in a mislynch does not really allow for any calling of "SCUM!" That said, you do make some very nice points about Charrat, and Zero (I'll address them later). Your point on GC, on the other hand, really doesn't do much for me. You keep saying how you would've unvoted. Why?

I say it not for the players in this thread, but for seb456zig if he is reading. I really would have unvoted, and I want him to know that.

ZEEnon, only stupid scum defend their partners, really. You should always try and keep your distance from your partners when you're scum.

this quote seems forced and really suspicious to me .

...huh? Why is it suspicious?

It seems to me like you are describing yourself. I can't explain exactly, but it just comes off as a suspicious post.

ZEE, I'm really starting to find you anti-town. The whole post where you say you were going to unvote Seb reeks of you trying to absolve yourself from voting him. It's like you're trying to say "Me, kill him? No, never! I was going to pull the knife outta his guts when I woke up, really!" That whole thing gives em a really bad vibe.

No, I did state before that if he is town I would allow myself to be lynched. That offer is still up, so if any scum would like a free lynch, I will gladly hammer a bandwagon on me. This offer might seem to some town as pointless and anti-town, but if scum take advantage of this offer then we catch them ! Of course if it was that easy, then the mafia isn't too smart.

Even if you do lynch me, trust me, I've never lied to the town before in all of my games, lynch Charrat first so you know I am telling the truth.

We don't know if you are paranoid or insane, so we can't trust you as of yet.

---

I agree with the people that say we should let Zer0ph34r do a little more investigating, and perhaps lynch him day 3 or 4 to confirm his alignment.
hohum's eagerness to lynch Zer0ph34r comes off as scummy to me.

[ZEEnon]

it's so quiet .. *wind blows*
i don't think i have anything else to post about,
and i can't re-read because i have to go out .

[ZEEnon]

i have to admit Green Crayons, you really won me over with that overview. I wasn't quite sure what the argument against hohum was at the moment, but since you summarized it, I understand and agree with his lynch.
Although I still am wary of Charrat, I think the case on hohum requires more attention.

Vote: hohum

.

[ZEEnon]

I have been prodded, but I assumed we were waiting for hohum to reply to the accusations laid upon him.
I would like more people to start posting as well as only three posts have been made since my previous one .

[ZEEnon]

I don't know what to say besides you're wrong about my alignment.

No matter what alignment a player is, they are going to say they are town .

[ZEEnon]

If hohum isn't going to respond, someone should really hammer.
I don't want my time to be wasted, and this process will only just repeat in day three .
hohum, I also believe you should claim otherwise we have no choice but to lynch you .

[ZEEnon]

If you want my claim, I'm the miller.

I'm not exactly sure how it works on this site, but on epicmafia the miller is shown up to be a regular townsperson as well. I don't think that you would neccessarily know if you are the miller or not. If you WERE the miller, then claiming miller from the start would be the best course of action, no? I don't believe this claim right now and I think that you are scum. If you can convince me otherwise, i'd remove my vote likewise .

[ZEEnon]

Just a question: if you are willing to get hammer, why don't you hammer yourself?

This is true, but if he shows up as town I will be looking at you for suggesting this .

[ZEEnon]

Also hohum, can you please state all your current thoughts and views on the game situation so far. In case you are a townsperson, your input is glady appreciated and will be considered in the future. If you are scum, however, your entire post will not neccessarily be ignore because it may serve us some clues. So either way, please share with us your knowledge.

[ZEEnon]

I see. A miller definitely would serve a purpose in a game with different sanities. I can see that it could very well be an honest claim, i'm just not sure if I want to unvote. On the other hand, I still suspect Charrat the most because if you examine the posts made by him in this game so far as I have, you will see he makes the LEAST. If you scroll to the bottom of the thread and click to see all the posts made by only him, he is the only player that has less than one page, minus Shinnen_no_Me and Zer0ph34r because they replaced or are a new account. Perhaps scum is taking advance of hohum's scuminess in order to pass another lynch on a town aligned player. Therefore,

Unvote

.

[ZEEnon]

I find it odd that hohum just claimed out of nowhere without anyone asking him to, he just decided to. Kind of odd.

Vote: Hohum

Read more carefully, I asked him to .

Votecount

hohum (4):

Artem, Azhrei, Shinen_no_me, Zerophear

Artem (1):

hohum

Zerophear (0):
Azhrei (0):
Charrat (0):
Green Crayons (0):
Shinnen_no_Me (0):
ZEEnon (0):


Not votingb (3):

Green crayons, Charrat, ZEEnon

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Prod count: Green_Crayons, hohum,

Tom

[ZEEnon]

ZEEnon... What the hell? You actually unvoted the guy? What decent reason did he give? I don't see it.

I believe I told everyone, I am unfortunately gullible. If he turns up to be town, I will be so disappointed in myself.

Vote: hohum

.

Since I normally answer posts post by post, I didn't realize that hohum was already hammered.
You may see my above posts to be invalid, but I'd like to keep it there fore reference.

Since hohum has decided that instead of actually contributing to the discussion and help the town he will use what remaining time with the town he has to insult players, I have no issue with

vote: hohum

.

Good job on noting the obvious. Trying to seem like you are contributing?

Worst case scenario is that he's a miller town who was bad for day play (for all the reasons people have listed) and bad for night play (because he's a miller). Best case scenario is that he's scum.

This has already mentioned. It is pointless for you to bring this up again. I think that you are posting to seem like you are adding to discussion.

However, ZEEnon's suddenly withdraw really draw my attention.

How does it do so? Are you perhaps scum looking for someone else to bring attention to since the most scummiest player has been lynched? I never said that i didn't suspect hohum. In fact, he was the person I suspected the most. I just kept in mind that there could very well be a miller, and that his claim seemed sincere.

Also, when I was re-reading some of the thread, I saw you asked me some questions that I didn't notice before, so I'll answer them now.

Looks like you aren't reading hard enough. If you were a town-aligned player, would you not be looking for any clues that could give away scum?

[ZEEnon]

I find it odd that hohum just claimed out of nowhere without anyone asking him to, he just decided to. Kind of odd.

Vote: Hohum

Does nobody see stupid reasons for voting? Zer0ph34r has been on the L-1 bangwagon twice !

[ZEEnon]

If hohum flips out mafia, then we know who we should be looking for the next day...

Please don't leave your posts in ... without telling us

exactly

what you mean. I'm

assuming

you mean that you 'we' should be looking at

me

? Your vague post comes off as anti-town, as town would want to tell us

exactly

how they feel. I'm starting to get scummy vibes from you lately, Shinnen_no_Me.

---

MOD: Suppose there is a miller. If he is lynched, will he show up as mafia, or will he show up as a miller?

[ZEEnon]

EBWOP:

If hohum flips out mafia, then we know who we should be looking for the next day...

Please don't leave your posts in ... without telling us

exactly

what you mean. I'm

assuming

you mean that

you

'we' should be looking at

me

? Your vague post comes off as anti-town, as town would want to tell us

exactly

how they feel. I'm starting to get scummy vibes from you lately, Shinnen_no_Me.

---

MOD: Suppose there is a miller. If he is lynched, will he show up as mafia, or will he show up as a miller?

---

Can someone just hammer and get this over with?

Anxious much?

[ZEEnon]

Oops, well either way, I'm voting for him for previously stated reasons and I never not vote.

The reasons you gave all the way back in day one ?
In case you haven't noticed, you have been voting Charrat so far, and switched to hohum only because of poor reading on your part.

[ZEEnon]

BAH !

[ZEEnon]

haha i knew Charrat was scum; i only had an FOS on Green Crayons though .
post 126 i leave my role in breadcrumbs. :)

how could you forgot about masons,
they are the best !
just kidding, i think

I

forgot too . :[
plus this is

M

y first game,
so i wasn't really expecting any
other roles, haha .

if

THE

cop is killed before day four,
how

DO

you expect them to
even have a

C

hance to reveal

T

heir results ?
how do you even know we have a cop ?

the title does make it seem like
the mafia has a certain advantage of some sort .. :[

OR

like seb456zig mentioned,
we may have a naive cop .

[ZEEnon]

i'm flattered by the reasons why you guys killed me,
which sounds kind of awkward, haha .

[ZEEnon]

:S If you're gonna breadcrumb, do it in such a way that isn't so subtle... That was a little toooo subtle.

&& if the mafia found it first ? D: