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There is no contradiction. He gave different situations. But in any case, I am curious to hear how self voting can be helpful.madeofphail wrote:Vote: millar13
Reason:
Millar13 said in post 6:
Millar13 said in post 17:Hate people that self vote.
Often a trait of either someone with a power-role or mafia.
Therefore.
Vote: GrimmyHowever, voting for yourself is never a good stance in Day one. Can often be effective in the day 3 though.
Contradiction: Millar13 states that self-voting is a scumtell, then says it is helpful.
Self-voting is never useful to your faction. Millar13 is encouraging self-voting to the common faction,which is town. In conclusion post 17 is encouraging anti-town acts, and is therefore anti-town."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Have you played with Emp before? If so, then it should be obvious. If not, I'm sure it'll only be a matter of time before you find out why."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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That person lied. But it's never a bad idea to vote Emp, so I guess it's acceptable this time.millar13 wrote:someone on a game I was briefly in, told me the best person to follow in day on is a guy called zwetchenwasser...and seeing as I am now in a game with hm
Unvote Vote: Empking
had to be done"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Well, I'd love to go into detail about the giant sack of uselessness that is Empking, but you probably wouldn't believe me, so I'll let him show you himself.Zachrulez wrote:
Once in Open 120... but I was lynched so fast in that game, that I never really got a chance to interact with anyone much at all.dejkha wrote:Have you played with Emp before? If so, then it should be obvious. If not, I'm sure it'll only be a matter of time before you find out why."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Damn. Why do people unvote Emp? Do you all realize you're crushing my hopes and dreams?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Oh wow, that's a very good point. Didn't think of thatroflcopter wrote: you are wrong. and in this setup, its especially a good idea to say who you think is pro town. if enough townspeople agree on the same person being town, it almost forces the mafia's nightkill, because there is zero chance of that person being mislynched. and hey, look what the only power role we have is?
Agree'droflcopter wrote:lets hurry up and lynch the guy"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Why do you say that?roflcopter wrote:grimmy and zachrules are town"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Oh I see. It's an Emp impression. Got it.roflcopter wrote: preview screen is your friend.
i'll make all the hard statements i want thank you very much.
"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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I really think Millar is lying. So I'm not totally ok with that lynch. Normally I'd assume pressure caused him to crack, but he wasn't in danger of being lynch, was he? I'm gonna assume he's just pissed that people are voting for him...
I have the worst feeling that if he is town, he's probably doc. Or maybe a townie that's upset that he didn't get a power role. In any case, I don't think he's telling the truth and lying about his alignment isn't something I'm gonna vote for (assuming I'm right, anyway)."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Obviously, he doesn't care if he's lynch. That's why he claimed scum.roflcopter wrote: i'm sorry, are you actually going to try and prove anything, or are you just going to tell us a bedtime story?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Can you prove that you're town? Or should we kill you also?Giuseppe wrote:You, sir, are an an absolutely abominable atrocity and the acme of assholery. Don't screw the town over with your ludicrous self-votes. If you're town, prove it. Otherwise, you deserve to die."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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God, those are silly questions. Yes, I said silly.Giuseppe wrote:Then dig yourself out. Why are you innocent? Who are the real scum?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Wow, that came out of nowhere. Care to explain?AndyTony wrote:Vote: dejkha
I'm digging the Heroes avatar!"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Andy, you didn't have a vote active. Just letting you know. Millar is still at L-1."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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I could understand that, but Scum can talk and night. Kill off one and there's one scum that needs to make decisions on his own.AndyTony wrote:- - sorry for not answering the question - - I wanted to keep him around because he's without a doubt a poor player - which means if he's scum, he can lead us to other scum - I wouldn't keep him around strictly for being scum lol"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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It seems like a pretty outlandish theory to think that's he's scum just because he claim this early for no reason, when he was obviously pissed from everyone getting on him.Cephrir wrote:I'm wondering if you just know he'll turn up town, which seems like a pretty outlandish theory to me at this point. He's claimed scum.
The hypothetical could happen, but the only problem is that there was no reason for him to suspect anyone of being Doc, let alone Ceph who didn't have very many posts at the time, and was the newest person on Millars wagon when the statement was made, which hints at an aggravated player.madeofphail wrote:Hypothetical situation: Millar is scum, he suspects a player of being the doc, and tries to tell him scum buddy his opinion of the best target before he gets lynched. [/hypothetical]
I identified outing a pro-town power role as a scumtell, yet he still performed this detrimental act to the town, further identifying himself as scum.
Well, aren't we glad to see we have one person that knows who is and isn't scum. But unfortunately, his last couple posts are not proof and your hypothetical doesn't help your case. In fact, it helps scum, because if Millar is scum you pretty much just helped him to make a decision regarding what they should do with Millar.madeofphail wrote:Millar is scum, but his usefulness as a source has run itself out. My proof is his last couple of posts:
All I've seen from Millar are the obvious actions of a pissed off player.
I, for one, am almost certain Millar isn't scum and at this point there's not a lack of other info to go by during the events that have been leading up to his lynch. So if he's not lynched today, we could still use a lot of what has been posted regarding this issue (same for Day 2 if he is lynched)."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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EBWOP: In fact, it helps scum, because if Millar is scum you pretty much just helpedhis scum buddyto make a decision regarding what they should do with Millar.
Sorry, that might've been hard to understand"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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Can you rephrase that? I cant make sense out of it starting at "highlighting".madeofphail wrote: @dejkha: So, you expect me to believe that a player would randomly claim someone is a doc, highlighting this person to the mafia,(possibly trying to out the doc?) and be a townie?
No, I think you just want him to be lynched because he's an easy target. Either that or you're just not open to suggestion and don't care about other options. He wasn't dochunting and the obvious random doc claiming makes it obvious. There's no reason for most, if not all, of his actions.madeofphail wrote: Dochunting is what scum would do. Not town. This makes me almost 100% sure that he is scum.
If he flips scum, ok you were right and as such I shouldn't be giving him the BoDT, but if you're wrong I can/will see this as very opportunistic (especially since you claim to be 100% sure)."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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I'll be rereading the thread and posting later.
Andy, I don't think you're scummy for hammer, but don't argue with Emp. It's a fight you can't win. But that's only because ignorance isbliss,retarded, Empking. So wait until someone else has an opinion on the matter.
Vote: Empunless I find someone scummier in my reread."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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The post that started millars wagon at first. The following is on Zach, but note that I don't find him particularly scummy. These points may be reaching a little, but that's because I'm exploring all possibilities I can see. Everyone else can make of it what they will.
The events in between the following two post take place between post 6 and post 11:
Zach votes millar because of this:millar13 post 6 wrote:Hate people that self vote.
Often a trait of either someone with a power-role or mafia.
Therefore.
Vote: Grimmy
That's as far as Zach went with his reasoning. Even after Millar pointed out that it was just like saying "I vote for you, because", which I would agree with, he never elaborate in how it was "unsound" in the post where he said it was so. He later responded in post 29 by sayingZachrulez post 11 wrote:Your reasoning is unsound.
Knowing what we know now, Millar was not doc hunting, but I'm curious as to how Zach didn't think Grimmy self voting was at all suspicious. I would think that a self vote would more likely be done by scum than anyone else, possibly to throw people off, so I don't see why he thought to go for millar right away rather than Grimmy, who he made no mention of. But seeing how Grimmy plays, it was probably was just a joke.Zachrulez wrote:Now... we only have 1 power role in this game, and it's a doctor. I see potential doc hunting with his pursuit of this vote.
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There's a couple things i don't like about this post:madeofphail wrote:Vote: millar13
Reason:
Millar13 said in post 6:
Millar13 said in post 17:Hate people that self vote.
Often a trait of either someone with a power-role or mafia.
Therefore.
Vote: GrimmyHowever, voting for yourself is never a good stance in Day one. Can often be effective in the day 3 though.
Contradiction: Millar13 states that self-voting is a scumtell, then says it is helpful.
Self-voting is never useful to your faction. Millar13 is encouraging self-voting to the common faction,which is town. In conclusion post 17 is encouraging anti-town acts, and is therefore anti-town.
1. The contradiction is nowhere to be found as he seemed to ignore the parts that made them non contradicting statements. Those parts being where he said how days where self voting is preformed can have different effects (ex: day 1 and day 3)
2. I think to say "Self-voting is never useful to your faction" is quite a bit false. And if it were to help anyone, I think it would be scum. Possibly to give they're scumbuddy a reason why he wasn't on the wagon if that person was lynched. In fact, I think the only way self-voting useless is if you're town. Town has nothing to hide; Scum do, so they'll use it to help their scumbuddies win.
3. Post 17 was encouraging an act that could be useful during later days. We're not their yet and I don't see why him giving an opinion on what's useful in 2 days makes him scummy.
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I think Giuseppe isn't really giving to much original input. He seems to be rephrasing what others have said and being very opportunistic.
Here he pretty much rephrases, in short, what others have said.Giuseppe wrote:On Millar's behavior: I too agree that self-voting doesn't indicate anything other than a comical or self-destructive attempt at discussion-sparking this early in the game. It's simply not good play, nothing else is really associated with it.
Not saying much, but it looks like an easy way to get on the millar wagon early and with a decent reason. Even though, since Emp was at L-1, the next vote would've been a hammer and a quicklynch could've given use some nice stuff to work nice, especially whoever swung the hammer.Giuseppe wrote:Unvote
Vote Millar13What were you thinking putting him on L-1?
Trying to seem pro-town by being against the quicklynch of Emp, which, if he's scum, could also help him by keeping a naturally scummy player alive. Scum are more than likely against an Emp lynch since he's more useful to them then he is to us and Giuseppe seem to be one of the only ones finding reasons to keep him from getting lynched. Or maybe he's just protecting a scumbuddy, since Emp is easy to defend without looking suspicious because all you have to do is say how "he's scummy, but he could be a townie".Giuseppe wrote:A quick lynch is a stupid lynch, even if it is Empking. Hell, especially if it's Emp. I mean, come on. He's scummy. We know that. But quick-lynching him for stuff we know is stupid.
Maybe the wording is throwing me off, but it sounds like he knows Emp is scum by saying "Any real reason you're setting me and Zwet up to be lynched". He says to let Emp have a chance to be scummy before you lynch him. Judging from previous posts, he knows how Emp plays and knows that it's near impossible to tell the difference when it comes to his alignment, almost urging people not to vote him for as long as possible. The problem is, the longer he's alive, the longer scum can use him.Giuseppe wrote:
Any real reason you're setting me and Zwet up to be lynched? I hardly say that stopping a quick lynch of Empking qualifies as defending him overtly. Let him actually have a chance to be scummy before you lynch him, at the very least.roflcopter wrote: if emp is scum, either giuseppe or zwets is his partner
I know a few people voted for millar for this reason, but given what I've seen from Giuseppe, this looks opportunistic. Then he says "Don't claim scum, if you don't mean it" almost as it he knows 100% that he's scum just because he said so. As if you're not even willing to see if there's another reason to say he was. And saying "Lynch all scum, lynch all liars" makes it seem like you're trying to be open minded, but saying that says you want him lynched whether he's scum or town and it'll give you a good reason to lynch a townie - because he was lying.Giuseppe wrote:millar13 wrote:wow I admit i am scum....vote for meUnvote
Vote: Millar13
Don't claim scum if you don't mean it. Lynch all scum, lynch all liars.
He later asks millar:
This also makes it seem like he's trying to be open minded, even though it shouldn't matter why Millar said he was scum since Giuseppe is going to want him lynched either way as seen before: "Lynch all scum, lynch all liars".Giuseppe wrote:Millar, why did you say you were scum?
Here Giuseppe seems to try and make it look like Rofl is saying.. well, the entire first part of this his post. And in post 96, Rofl asked where he said that, which he didn't. Maybe trying to misrepresent Rofl.Giuseppe wrote:By your logic, if Empking comes up scum, I can't be town. Which couldn't be true, from my perspective, because I am a pro-town player. Thus, if I'm to agree with you, Empking must be town.
I'm actively trying to prevent the lynch of someone I don't believe to be scum, by first walking away from his lynch, and now arguing against it.
Is there anymore in me defending him on such little than you attacking him on such little? Better to err on the side of caution this early than to err on the side of rashness.
Giuseppe wrote:Then dig yourself out. Why are you innocent? Who are the real scum?
What the hell kind of questions are those? Seriously. As you can see, even after Millar explains why he claimed scum, Giuseppe still assumes he's scum and actually asks if Millar was defending a scum partner. He asks that almost as if he really thought he would say "yes".Giuseppe in response to Millars reasons to claiming scum in post 204 wrote:That's not a very good reason to do such a risky move. Were you defending another scum partner?
Out of curiosity, what opinions of his have their been that could help us now? Since he flipped town, he was obviously just pissed off, which I'm baffled at how many people failed to realize that before he was lynched.Giuseppe wrote:Well, I stand by the idea that he needs to defend himself, and a good start would be to explain his actions in taking the scum claim. I still think he's scum, but you know, there's no point in letting his opinions go to waste if he dies and flips town.
Vote: Giuseppe"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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Fair enough. I haven't seen a self vote in RVS in any of my games, so I wouldn't know. Maybe I'll do a meta on you just to make sure"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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Oh you have and I remember, but I'm referring to self votes in the RVS. When I saw you self hammer, you were at L-1."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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I would say so, yes.madeofphail wrote:So dejkha, if i understand correctly your accusation of giuseppe is based on these things.
1). he does not really post any real material, he just kinda leeches off of other people's arguments.
2). he was opportunistic about voting millar
I voted for Emp as my first vote because he's naturally the scummiest player at the beginning of every game he's in, so I just vote him right then and there until I find someone scummier.madeofphail wrote:On the matter of the mislynch on D1:
If I were an optimist (which I am not). I would say to look on the bright side and say that we would see the mislynch of millar as a utility lynch. This means that while we did not lynch scum, we lynched an anti-town (or similarly useless) player.
I voted for millar because I thought he was scum, you voted for emp because you thought he was a bad player dejkha argued that millar was town and was just being a bad player. So if we were to look at that way, millar and emp are in the same classification or players. Yet, dejkha defended millar, and condemned empking.
I don't understand why you would do something like that.
Day one pretty much revolved around Millars actions, so it was hard to find someone that was acting scummy, especially after he claimed scum, without knowing his role for sure.
To me, they aren't in the same classification of players as far as I can tell. I haven't played with Millar before, so all I can say for him is that he doesn't thrive well under pressure. Emp is incapable of helping town and is extremely close minded. I'm aware of how threatening to town Emp is, but seeing how quickly Millar was lynched, I can't see what kind of player he really is."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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Nicely done, Phail. I made a possible connection of Emp and Giuseppe, but I didn't look that deep, so that could be a huge find for this game. As of now, I'll be willing to bet Emp and Giuseppe are likely scumbuddies if the first one lynched flips scum."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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I don't find the "millar had to go" comment particularly crowd pleasing. Don't know why, I just don't. All I've seen from Zwet toward Emp on Day 2 is him getting pissed at Emp for the annoyance that he is. Can you be specific on where he sided with Emp and where he backed off?AndyTony wrote: @Dejkha
Your concerns are valid and I agree with you, I just think it might have landed wrong. I feel Zwet is the one following herds and not necessarily contributing outside of people pleasing.
Day 1 - he followed the wagon on Emp
Day2 - he made the comment to fit in with the herd of voters about how "millar had to go"
Then he sided with Emp when he smelled a wagon - and the moment you and maybe two others raised an eyebrow to it - he shyed away from siding with Emp.
People pleasing strikes me as scummy. Thoughts?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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All I 've seen is this:
Which was his response to Emp case that pretty much only consisted of you hammering. I hardly think that alone is a good case, but I don't think Zwet necessarily backed away as much as it hasn't been brought up since then.zwetschenwasser wrote:Emp, cut out the active lurking crap and you've got yourself a good case.
Zwet, do you still agree with Emp's "case"?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Phail was my initial suspect at the end of day one, but I've since seen more suspicious activity from Giuseppe. If Giuseppe flips towns, then I agree that Phail may have done what you described.Grimmy wrote: I disagree.
I know from playing with him in other games that he is a very good player.
I have also seen where the scum would target one townie in order to make another townie look guilty.
fos: Phail
I suspect that is what you are doing if you are really scum.
not convinced, but suspicious.
Grimmy"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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It's my signature, so it shows up in every post I make in every game. It's not specific to this game.AndyTony wrote:Can you please explain why at this point in the game, you have such a signature still? It slightly contradicts the fair nature I appreciate from you, you understand.
Emp has to be lynched. When judging his own play, he's unreadable. Meaning, he could be scum and we wouldn't be able to tell because he's known for being scummy (and for his constant OMGUS and him being distracting and confusing to town). It would be irresponsible and dangerous to let him live the whole game. The earlier the better. He plays the same way every game, so I don't judge him specifically in each game unless, by some miracle, he does something different. His lynch isn't a matter of 'if', it's a matter of 'when'. I've said this in other games, so it's not specific to this one.AndyTony wrote: Why, based on your sig, do you know Emp is 100% worthy of being lynched (not necessarily scum, which is worse)? What is that based on in this game? How is losing another towny best for the town, and if he is not town, then why?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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I'm not giving a Grimmy a pass on it, I just don't have much more to say about it other than it seems like something scum is more likely to do.AndyTony wrote: @Dejkha
In regards to my earlier portions of the post, what are your thoughts about Grimmy in respect to your feelings on self voting. It might be irresponsible to just give him a clean "oh well" - I think it deserves attention (Grimmy, I'm not saying you're a threat or trying to grill you, I just don't want to cancel out any potential topics of value)
Also, if Emp is a matter of "when", why does your vote fall on Guiseppe more so than him? Guiseppe is a victim of what seems to be circumstance (for what you regard as just re-typing more or less what everyone else says).
Emp is a matter a 'when' and that when isn't now, it's later. Lynching Giuseppe could be a huge move for town. Emp can very well be connected to Phail or Giuseppe. If Giuseppe is scum, then Emp has a good chance at being scum. If Giuseppe is town, then Phail may have the connection to Emp because of my previous suspicions and what Grimmy. But if we lynch Emp first and he flips scums, then we still have two likely people who could be his scumbuddy.
Lynching Giuseppe gives us more answers, and a better chance at winning, than lynching Emp does. As of right now that is."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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It's more of what Andy said yesterday. Millar was a threat to himself, not town, or whatever faction he was on. He didn't care if he was lynched and it's extremely rare that scum will claim and truthfully give up their scumbuddy. From the moment he self voted, it should've been clear that we weren't getting anymore out of him.Giuseppe wrote:1. My treatment of Millar was in the hopes of drawing useful information out of an erratic player who was heading towards a lynch. If he claimed a scum buddy, got lynched, flipped scum, that would have been good, no?
I wouldn't say it's entirely based on your defense on Emp alone, because you're not the first I've seen that's been against his lynch. You seem to repeat what people say, which may be due to the time in which you read the game and it's after everyone else has said everything there is to say, but your defense of Emp as a scumbuddy is supported by the NK. I'll be willing to bet that at least one scum is in the triangle made up of you, Phail and Emp.Giuseppe wrote:2. While I can't argue that lynching me would reveal more information about the game than lynching Empking, I'd argue that basing that decision strictly on my defense of him would be a poor choice to make. I'm no fan of Empking, but I don't like seeing him lynched on policy, and Millar was behaving worse than Emp was. Lynch the most anti-town player.
C:\>votecount
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AndyTony - 2 - Empking, Zachrulez
Giuseppe - 2 - dejkha, madeofphail
Empking - 0
Grimmy - 0
dejkha - 0
zwetschenwasser - 0
Pablo Molinero - 0
Zachrulez - 0
Cephrir - 0
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Not Voting: zwetschenwasser, millar13, AndyTony, Giuseppe, roflcopter, Cephrir, Pablo Molinero, Grimmy
With 10 players, it takes 6 to Lynch."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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What, specifically, made you think that's what he was doing?Empking wrote:AT: Why are you trying to get Dejhka to move his vote?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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No, I think it's just called "Emp stupidity" or maybe "scared scum". Who knows. Definitely one of the other.AndyTony wrote:If you're not against Guiseppe, then why would you have a problem with me asking Dejkha for clarification?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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Andy, don't bother with him. He's like a brain dead horse if it could talk."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Alright Andy, have a good one. Thanks for stopping the argument short. It's that much less Emp spam I'll have to reread later."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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^Just typical dumb shit Emp. You need to be taught a lessen in the form of your abusive parents.Empking wrote:
Lie/Buddyingdejkha wrote:Alright Andy, have a good one. Thanks for stopping the argument short.
Just typical stupidf Dejhka.It's that much less Emp spam I'll have to reread later."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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You said earlier
The reasons I was voting for him was based on past game experience which came to the following and more that you didn't mention (which he has also done in this game):Giuseppe wrote:I mean, come on. He's scummy. We know that. But quick-lynching him for stuff we know is stupid.
He does it every game and you seemed be aware of it by saying "He's scummy. We know that". What made you think he would change in this game rather than any other one he's ever played? Was it just me or were other people voting Emp at first based on past experience with him that included the reasons Giuseppe had given? I'd actually like to hear from people that voted Emp at the beginning.Giuseppe wrote:his behavior at this point in the game has derailed proper discussion, been inflammatory to at least one of the parties involved
You've played with Emp before, so since you said "he's scummy" at the beginning of the game, how is he scummy and how does it differ from the reasons you're voting for him and your experience with him from other games?Giuseppe wrote:Dejkha's been conveniently leaving out the fact that at that time, I had no read on Emp's alignment. I was defending him from a Quick Lynch, not from any lynch. I'm actually going to advocate for his lynch further down in the post, as I've seen his scumminess within this game.
I used the NK as support for the reasons Phail mentioned. But like I said, Phail was my initial suspect on Day one, so if you flip town then I'll bet Phail was describing his own actions to frame you.Giuseppe wrote:Did you really just try and use the NK as a piece of evidence against me? Isn't that WIFOM out the wazoo? That sits really ill with me that you'd try to devise the motives of the scum out of the night action. Not to mention that I was defending Empking against the quick lynch, not a real lynch.
I don't think I said you were just rephrasing everything that people were saying about Emp and Millar. And my problem with you voting for Millar wasn't that you followed the wagon, nor do I think I said so, but that you said it in a way that would persuade people to lynch him without question by saying "Lynch all scum, lynch all liars" which to me sounds like saying "Lynch him with no questions asked".Giuseppe wrote:When a person claims scum, is it not right to vote them? I had no suspects before, and then I had one. Opportunism, or simply a wanting to put forth original material on someone who I thought was scum?
In the end, a lot of Dej's argument against me lies in twisting my motive: I was defending Emp from a quick lynch, not a total lynch. I was not acting sheep-like in the case against Millar, as I started it.
I'm not trying to use word play or something, but while you did say you were against a quick lynch, you never said anything to make clear that you'd be willing to lynch him and I assumed you didn't want to since Emp never changes his scummy play and you should know it.
Since you voted Emp, it'll only reinforce your connection to him if you flip scum because it would be seen as obvious distancing."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Emp, make sure you're truthful about your age, because the older you say you are, the worse it'll look.zwetschenwasser wrote:Just out of curiosity, how old are you, Emp?
In other news, I don't want an Empking lynch to be solely a policy one. He hasn't make specific scummy statements, and therefore shouldn't be lynched yet.
Zwet, we can't leave him until lylo. That would not be smart."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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There's tons of scumtells he's let out, but you can't tell because it's a nulltell for him and that's the problem. In lylo, you won't be able to read him and he can easily escape while being scum. That's why when judging Emp, you don't do it by looking at his play, but everyone elses."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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No, you see how other people reaction to him and his play.zwetschenwasser wrote:? So... if everyone else thinks Emp is scum he MUST be scum? What are you trying to say?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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No need to apologize. I'm not using your vote as evidence against you. I'm only saying that, if you are scum, it won't help to distant you from him.Giuseppe wrote:
I apologize, but I don't find anyone else scummy, at the moment. My V/LA made it difficult for me to have any say in the matter up until this point, and I can't exactly vote for someone I don't find scummy. Allow me to reread the game, and I'll produce another suspect, if Empking doesn't satisfy you all. It seems like distancing, yes. Is it distancing? No.Dej wrote:Since you voted Emp, it'll only reinforce your connection to him if you flip scum because it would be seen as obvious distancing.
My vote to Empking is based around the severity of his Ad Hom this game. In my previous game, he was much, much more mild with his critiques. These seem defensive, angry, and scummier than he played before.
I, once I finish my homework, will reread the topic and find Empking's partner, and post my findings.
C:\>votecount
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Giuseppe - 1 - dejkha
AndyTony - 1 - Empking
Empking - 1 - Giuseppe
Grimmy - 0
dejkha - 0
zwetschenwasser - 0
Pablo Molinero - 0
Zachrulez - 0
Cephrir - 0
madeofphail - 0
Not Voting: zwetschenwasser, millar13, AndyTony, roflcopter, Cephrir, Pablo Molinero, Grimmy, Zachrulez, madeofphail
With 10 players, it takes 6 to Lynch."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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1. I said "If you are scum"
2. Why is suspicious? I don't know who scum is. Why would I not us "if"?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Alright then, let's take a poll so I don't get stuck in another stupid conversation.
Who thinks that saying "If you are scum[...]" is a scumtell and who thinks it isn't?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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No no no. You be quiet. I asked for other peoples opinions. I'm giving people a chance to agree with your case and I'm bringing attention to what you consider a scumtell. I'm helping you with your case against me.zwetschenwasser wrote:Stop trying to distract us away from your scumminess."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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I do ignore him unless he asks a question that isn't stupid. Guess what? Scum want you to ignore them and I don't care how much we do, but it's stupid to let him live until lylo.Pablo wrote:makes me nervous in the way that it implies Emp getting lynched ‘has’ to come in the future no matter what. Ignore the fuck for now, I agree (AT!), but let’s wait for more data to come in.
My post was not game related, so it has no effect as evidence. I said that because if Emp says he's 18 or something, then he would just look like an idiot 18 yr old. But if he says he's , then ok, at least it's understandable.Pablo wrote:Why say this? Wait til he responds to explain to lessen a chance of a lie. Slight, unnecessary coaching."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Andy, I think you should make up your mind, because you certainly seem to be trying to get on certain wagons early in case they catch fire."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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I'm not playing into anything. If Emps scum, he's getting lynched whether I ignore him or not (hopefully), so whats the problem?madeofphail wrote:Forgive me if I am misconstrueing the facts, but this seems to say that you have no problem with playing right into the scum's hands.
Ask Zwet, he's the one that ask the question.madeofphail wrote:I don't know why we are trying to gain meta info that has no real bearing on the game. A person's age will not determine if they are scum or not. And it seems to me that you have enough of a mind to get emp lynched based on meta, regardless of his age. Why bother getting this information?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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Giuseppe, do you have anything to add from before when you said you'd read in more detail?"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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I'd like to see what Zwet has to say about that.Empking wrote:If Millar was my scum buddy then it would have been in this case."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
"Fuck you... You're a pompous, ignorant fool, dejkha, and I don't appreciate your incessant badmouthing of me." - Zwet-
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Ok, that's a no. Also, I don't care what Emp was talking about because he was talking to you, so I'm not going to respond to it. Anyway, that makes me curious about something.
How is this a scumtell:
but not this:If you were scum...
If anything I'd think that Emp's would be more of a scumtell since saying "If Millar was my scumbuddy" could be interpreted as Emp saying he has a scum buddy, but it wasn't Millar.Empking wrote:If Millar was my scum buddy
I don't think much of either statements, but I'm curious as to how you see things, since the way you see things seems questionable."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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How was my dodge of it scummier when you didn't even mention his until I did? You're making no sense."You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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So you're saying because I didn't respond to a comment that was directed to you, not only did you think that was scummy, but you didn't want to mention a scumtell from a another player? Doubtful.
FoS: Zwet"You say that all my posts are stupid like a motherf***ing SOB. I'm sick and tired of your constant BS." - Zwet to me.
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