Mini 703 - A Roccisi Autumn - Over

[Adel]

I double-checked my work, and I am sure that lynching IP at this time is the correct move for optimal town results.

[Adel]

This paragraph seems particularly wishy-washy, even for you, afatchic. You first state that Adel's predecessor is definitely scummy, then you assume he's town, then you demand an explanation from Adel; and finally you conclude that right now she's probably a townie. I sense a connection; such uncertainty makes me think of a partnership where you can't decide whether to bus, distance or defend.

I said his play was extremely terrible, with all the rolefishing and everything... but then i thought about it and came to a logical conclusion why town-BoW would do that. im not asking Adel to explain why he did it.

I just think my conclusion will be proven one way or the other in a lylo mass claim

. if it goes the way i think it will, their would be no reason to suspect him, if it goes the other, i would be highly suspicious of him.

the part in bold is interesting.

[Adel]

why are you against a massclaim IP?

[Adel]

why did you expect massclaim to occur at lylo?

[Adel]

This paragraph seems particularly wishy-washy, even for you, afatchic. You first state that Adel's predecessor is definitely scummy, then you assume he's town, then you demand an explanation from Adel; and finally you conclude that right now she's probably a townie. I sense a connection; such uncertainty makes me think of a partnership where you can't decide whether to bus, distance or defend.

I said his play was extremely terrible, with all the rolefishing and everything... but then i thought about it and came to a logical conclusion why town-BoW would do that. im not asking Adel to explain why he did it.

I just think my conclusion will be proven one way or the other in a lylo mass claim

. if it goes the way i think it will, their would be no reason to suspect him, if it goes the other, i would be highly suspicious of him.

the part in bold is interesting.

Would you like me to clarify?Also i had no indication of ever having a gun...

why did you expect massclaim to occur at lylo?

when would it normally? never actually had to do a mass claim in a game i have played. actually, i have one time, but that was because almost every role was outed, and mass claim kinda broke the setup.

@afatchic:
1. what role do you think I have?
2. what was your logical conclusion going to be based off of what I might have claimed?
3. Why did you expect that both of us would still be alive in lylo?
4. Why did you think that holding onto a way to accurately test my alignment until lylo was a good idea?

Answer these questions in a full and detailed manner quickly, or else I will vote for you.

[Adel]

thanks. Can we lynch IP now?

[Adel]

Adel, can you give me a quick rundown of why IP is the optimal lynch now?

1. claimed vanilla
2. isn't a powerrole
3. ain't going to be killed by the mafia if he is town
4. newbie card has to expire before lylo
5. low risk lynch choice

[Adel]

I don't think the conversation has spun to a halt.

*crickets*

[Adel]

unvote

rereading the tubby wagon, does kison's questioning of tubby seem sincere to everyone? It is difficult for me to judge objectively, but it feels to me like he was serving as just an echo chamber for the case I built. What did he add that originated from him?

Keep in mind that I nominated Kison for a scummy last year with this post

Nominate Kison

for

Best Performance by an Individual (Scum)

for his performance in Space Monkey Mafia 2: Pigs in Space!.

In this post he set up everyone on the MikeBurnFire wagon (Lawrencelot, ooba, Erg0, mikeburnfire, armlx, Rogueben) for a later lynch and basically confirming himself as town for the rest of the game. He was never investigated by the tracker, and he never made a kill (until the end game) so the watcher never had a chance of catching him.
armlx and Rogueben were killed by the directed-kill of the town, and all three of the Traitor Pigs survived the game.
If that wasn't enough, he also ran a full game bus of The Fonz (his scum buddy) that was just strong enough for everyone to conclude that they couldn't both be scum. Both of them survived the game.

tl:dr version: There was no way Kison could've lost in this game.

I am pretty confident that ThAdmiral was listing Kort's presence on both scum wagon's as a town-tell. Yet Kison is still advancing the notion that my presence on and promotion of the darkdude and tubby wagon's is a scum-tell against me! Getting scum lynched is not a scum-tell. I don't think Kison could honestly be that lost in WIFOM.

vote:Kison

[Adel]

Excuse me. Paranoia about a player generated by play in previous games is overrated.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the

basis

of his case against me? At the end of the day the fact remains that I didn't blink when darkdude claimed, and I built the wagon on tubby, and I made the call to hammer tubby instead of IP. I've placed

work

into scumhunting in this game. I've shared my process and been quite transparent the entire way. Since I replaced in total game activity is clearly up and players are contributing a much more even amount. We've lynched two scum. I've taken pains to make sure lazy townies won't blindly follow my lead.

Why

is Kison advancing a case upon me?

[Adel]

with deadline ~ 3 days from now, why are you voting for me Kison? Why am I the best lynch for the day?

[Adel]

Internet out. Ill try to catch up from work.

We can see that you are posting in other games. Are you going to magically have internet back as soon as our deadline expires?

[Adel]

unvote, vote: Korts

just in case Ecto wants to post that case on him.

[Adel]

more like I think that it would've been better to have two competing wagons, so that IP's lynch (if it doesn't win the game for the town) will provide useful information for the next day.

[Adel]

IP any final words before you get hammered?

[Adel]

so... nolynch? or is someone going to hammer IP?

[Adel]

unvote

[Adel]

I support a massclaim at this point.

ditto

[Adel]

Internet out. Ill try to catch up from work.

We can see that you are posting in other games. Are you going to magically have internet back as soon as our deadline expires?

Ecto, we can still see that you are posting in other games. Why did you post in other games but not this one today?

[Adel]

we are waiting for Ecto to direct a massclaim, right? So why isn't he directing it? I eliminated an obvious possible answer by checking his activity. He is posting on the site.

We have 15 days until deadline. I am starting to suspect Ecto of trying to stall this game.

[Adel]

nope.

[Adel]

vanilla as well. go fat chick go.

[Adel]

vote: afatchic

[Adel]

why didn't you guys send in a kill for night 2?

[Adel]

because I think we should lynch you.

[Adel]

I think today should either be a Kison vs. afatchic death match, or it should be a Korts vs. afatchic death match.

[Adel]

to clarify, I am voting for you, and I am willing to lynch you, but you stand a chance of being able to talk me into voting for either Korts or Kison. I am willing to listen.

[Adel]

Right now I have Adel->Fat Chick->Korts->Ectomancer

I'm not voting yet. I want to read over some things later tonight; mainly Day Two. I don't recall Adel being the main driving force behind Darkdude's lynch as Ectomancer seems to be implying(that's what I'd constitute as hyperbussing). If I wind up being wrong on that, it'll change some things.

main driving force? no. I didn't let up on him though, even when he claimed a PR.

because I think we should lynch you.

Considering you said this to me at the end of yesterday:

with deadline ~ 3 days from now, why are you voting for me Kison? Why am I the best lynch for the day?

...when my vote was on you, and your vote on me, I could flip this question back to you. Why did you find me to be the optimal lynch at that time yesterday?

I considered IP to be the optimal lynch, but I wanted more information out of others, especially afatchic and theadmiral. I support two competing wagons over one, even if I agree that the one is the best lynch.

But, more importantly, why, if you found me to be the optimal lynch at that time yesterday, are you not voting for me right now?

You weren't taking enough of a stand on the IP wagon, and I was trying to squeeze just a little bit more information out of that day. I can be talked into voting for you or even lynching you today.

My scum list: afatchic->Kison->Korts->Ecto

[Adel]

@Kison: why do you think there wasn't a scum kill N0 or N2?

[Adel]

the scum didn't have their shit together, and the mod enforced strict deadlines. Strict mod deadlines would also help explain the missing guns.

[Adel]

I can't figure out how pissed I will be when Ecto is revealed to be a godfather.

The tracker, the gun inventor, and the amnesiac cop could all potentially confirm innocents or find scum. I think this would be a tough setup to balance. I don't see a dead scum-aligned roleblocker. If there is one it is Korts. If there isn't one I almost think we have a scum godfather instead.

unvote, vote:Korts

afatchic needs to find his own reasons. These are mine.

[Adel]

he could confirm innocents and he possibly could trap scum in a massclaim.

[Adel]

because Korts knows there is another protective or roleblocking role left unclaimed. He

knows

that there is. So it makes since to me that he is a roleblocker as well... or Doctor, now that he mentions it.

[Adel]

Where did I say I know there is one? I said this:

If

there are pro-town protective or blocking roles alive, please claim now

Note bolded.

nice try.

where is ecto?

[Adel]

TDC's setup was reviewed by skitzer back in July of last year


skitzer started a large normal in August:

Have So Many Holes, They Appear to Be Swiss Cheese (16):

8. DynamoXI,[/color]

Swiss Townie

, Lynched Day 1
5. Erratus Apathos,

Swiss Roleblocker

, Cremated and Drowned Night 1
17. Netlava,

Swiss Townie

, Lynched Day 2
12. Cephrir,

Swiss Townie

, Poisoned Night 2.
7. Knight of Cydonia,

Swiss Townie

, Drowned Night 2.
20. Korts,

Icelandic Mafia Doctor

, Poisoned Night 2.
19. Sineish,

Portuguese Mafia Tracker

, Dismembered Night 2.
21. StrangerCoug

,

Swiss Townie

,

Lynched Day 3.
6. armlx,

Portuguese Mafia Watcher

, Drowned Night 3.
16. Cream147,

Swiss Townie

, Dismembered Night 3.
24. hasdgfas,

Swiss Townie

, Poisoned Night 3.
4. SensFan,

Icelandic Mafia Roleblocker

, Cremated Night 3.
2. Battle Mage,

Swiss Poisoner

, Lynched Day 3.
1. raider8169,

Swiss Cop

, drowned Night 4.
13. Skruffs,

Swiss Townie

, heavily poisoned Night 4.
23. Surye,

Swiss Townie

, dismembered Night 4.

[Adel]

I dont know that it would have been incompetence. As I said, they may have been concerned about a tracker/watcher being out there and figured if caught out using the gun inventors weapon, no problem. Rather than incompetent, I would say it would be more of a conservative approach. Remember also that it is only my guess that such a weapon would have only a percentage chance of working, but I would be surprised if the mod told the recipient that fact. Now this next part may be incompetence; if they didn't realize that the inventors gun could have a chance of not working, then they probably should have.

I'd like everyone to say which scenario you think the more likely -
1: inventor gun being used in lieu of scum nk and failing
2: Doc/Roleblocker prevented a kill n2 and doesnt want to be forced to claim today
3: Scum was inattentive and didn't send in a kill

I would say that I believe 3 to be the least likely by a wide margin. I'm not certain I believe in 2, but if I did I would believe Korts to be the remaining scum. Option 1 I am not certain who I would hold up as scum. My suspicious mind looks at how Kison ridicules the choice of using the gun instead of a scum kill N2, and actually I feel some truth behind his opinion, but I wonder if the vehemence behind it is because Tubby was Godfather and decided to do it that way over Kison's objections.

I hate hate hate role abilities with random elements. I hope that is not what happened here. I hadn't seriously considered the possibility,and now I have trouble doing so because I find random mechanics so distasteful.

I think 2 is the most likely. 2 > 3 > 1 for me then.

Tubby, as a grown man and vet, would not be psychologically disposed to vetoing the opinion of a more experienced player.

[Adel]

he could confirm innocents and he possibly could trap scum in a massclaim.

How could he ttap them in a mass claim? its not scummy to claim that you received a gun, so why would they deny it and get caught.

whenever a town player has information that scum do not have, the potential exists to trap scum. The gun inventor would know who he gave guns to, and therefor who shouldn't have guns, and who shouldn't know that extra guns exist.

[Adel]

would it be a possibility that the mafia can only kill every other night. like n1, n3, n5; and can't kill n0, n2, n4. and

maybe the scum got the gun n0/1 and used that last night instead of their scum kill.

This theory is invalid because there was a kill n4.

he kinda just went over that. idiot

@afatchic: what is your case against Korts?

[Adel]

These roles are always town aligned:

You are an

Amnesiac Cop

. Each night you can investigate another player to find out whether they are in the mafia. You will, however, forget your result so you also have to name yet another player, who should receive the result of your investigation.

You are an

Amnesiac Deputy

. You will take the position of the first (Amnesiac) Cop who dies. You will then become an Amnesiac Cop.

You are a

Cop

. Each night you can investigate another player to find out whether they are in the mafia.

You are a

Deputy

. You will take the position of the first (Amnesiac) Cop who dies. You will then become a Cop.

You are a

Mason

with XX. You know that they are town, and they know that you are town. You two can talk at night.

You are a

Miller

. This means that you will always look guilty to cop investigations.

You are a

Vanilla Townie

, you have no special power.

These roles are always mafia aligned:

You are a

Godfather

. This means that you will always look innocent to cop investigations.

You are a

Goon

. You have no special powers.

The following role is neither:

You are a

Serial Killer

. Each night you can send me a target you will attempt to kill. You are immune to all night actions.

The following role can be either town or mafia aligned:

You are a

Neighbour

of XXX. You can talk with them at night, but you do not know their alignment.

All other roles can be either town aligned, mafia aligned or be a group ability of the mafia(*):

You are an

Amnesiac Tracker

. Each night you can find out who another player targeted that night. You will, however, forget your result so you also have to name yet another player, who should receive the result of your tracking.

You are an

Amnesiac Watcher

. Each night you can find out who targeted another player that night. You will, however, forget your result so you also have to name yet another player, who should receive the result of your watching.

You are a

Bodyguard

. Each night you can choose to protect another player. You will die in their place if they are targeted for a kill.

You are a

Doctor

. Each night you can choose to protect another player.

You are a

Jailkeeper

. Each night you can lock another player away. They will neither be able to perform their night action nor can anyone else perform a night action on them.

You are a

Gun Inventor

. Each night you can give another player a gun (One-Shot Vigilante) to be used on any subsequent night.

You are a

Nurse

. You will take the position of the first Doctor who dies.

You are a

One-Shot Doctor

. One night you can protect another player.

You are a

One-Shot Vigilante

. One night you can attempt to kill another player.

You are a

Roleblocker

. Each night you can prevent another player from performing their night action.

You are a

Tracker

. Each night you can find out who another player targeted that night.

You are a

Syringe Inventor

. Each night you can give another player a syringe (One-Shot Doctor) to be used on any subsequent night.

You are a

Vigilante

. Each night you can attempt to kill another player.

You are a

Watcher

. Each night you can find out who targeted another player that night.

(*)
Example: The group ability of Vigilante is identical with a mafia kill.
Note:

The last mafia member may use both one group ability and his role ability in the same night. Group abilities may or may not be used on themselves in that case

.

1.

Serial Killer

2.

Bodyguard

3.

Doctor

4.

One-Shot Doctor

5.

Roleblocker

6.

Syringe Inventor

7. "The last mafia member may use both one group ability and his role ability in the same night. Group abilities may or may not be used on themselves in that case"

[Adel]

I just read Night Watch where afatchic was town and pivotal for his side winning the game.

unvote, vote:afatchic

[Adel]

Adel you fail. lol. i was pivotal for my side winning because i had the most powerful role that game. Adel/korts for scum.

Guess this will be my bah post.
Bah! go town.

no, you paid attention and thought a couple of moves ahead. You totally don't suck at mafia, and you've been playing intellectual rope-a-dope with Korts and Kison.

You never gave a case for why you think Korts is scum.

Nice try, now please just admit you are scum, I know you've played charades before. You are legitimately lynched. Claim your alignment, please.

[Adel]

damnit.

[Adel]

I don't think that would be balanced unless there were two godfathers.

[Adel]

thanks for covering ABR.

~~~

we have 19 days.

Should the real power role claim now?

[Adel]

vanilla, but I can't remember being so tempted to fakeclaim as a vanilla before.

[Adel]

i'd prefer a kison lynch to a korts lynch

[Adel]

unless it just referred to flavor text describing the kill.

[Adel]

kison, does IH get replaced more often as town or scum? Is there a pattern at all?

[Adel]

I'd call ~25% (I figured 15% to 35%) normal. I agree that it is not a tell either way, unless you are horribly underreporting data.

[Adel]

was on both scum wagons.

was korts.

Is this a question?

These are the three wagons Korts was on at the

end

of each day:

Puta Puta (7): ThAdmiral, darkdude, Brain of Wombat, Tarballs, Korts, tubby216, Ectomancer

darkdude (6): Ectomancer, Korts, Adel, Rage, darkdude, insanepenguin02

tubby216 (5): Kison, Korts, insanepenguin02, afatchic, Adel

Assuming that what you said wasn't a question, what makes Korts' appearance on these three wagons particularly scummy as opposed to, say, Adel/Brain of Wombat, who was also on the same three?

No. I was saying he was on both scum wagons, and I was saying this as a reason why he most likely isn't scum.

I agree with ThAdmiral. Plus you tried to wifom some uncertainty about Ecto's alignment following your NK of ThAdmiral. I don't know what went wrong with the N2 NK, but I think the fact that you had just replaced in probably didn't help. I also think Korts-scum would have killed me by now. I was totally playing to draw a NK from him, trying to fake him out into thinking that I was a power-role. I think Kison-scum would keep me alive to end-game.

[Adel]

I'm pretty sure I'm not.

Why do you prefer to lynch me over Korts?

why should I prefer Korts to you?

[Adel]

I was totally playing to draw a NK from him, trying to fake him out into thinking that I was a power-role. I think Kison-scum would keep me alive to end-game.

Would Kison-scum do that? I don't believe this is the optimal endgame for Kison-scum, and here's why:

1) Ectomancer practically wrote me off earlier in the game.

please explain this. I do not understand what you mean by "practically wrote me off".

2) Korts had been Ectomancer's top pick for a long time, and would be an easier player to push into voting Korts, especially...

why would Korts kill ThAdmiral before Ecto?

3) If you died and wound up turning up a power role, because Ectomancer backed your theory that Korts was a scum roleblocker who was rolefishing.

I accept this point. I am not sure how much I should weigh it yet.

[Adel]

I don't think Ecto was as convinced of your alignment as that quote would indicate.

~~~

hey Korts, Kison is in danger of talking me into changing my mind. You probably want to type something in this game.

[Adel]

lol, Kison just got the "Best Manipulator" scummy and I got "Best performance as Mafia (Individual)" and we are in a 3-person endgame together.


how is your read going Korts?

[Adel]

Then there's this post:

thanks for asking that question Rage. it forced me to take a second look at everything, and I don't think that darkdude is the right lynch for today.

unvote, vote:tubby

for:

• 1. lurking through the game without getting replaced
  2. being a possible alt
  3. following my vote onto IH
  4. only voting for a townie on day 1

I don't see the purpose in jumping off a scumbuddy's wagon just to start another one on the other scumbuddy. Granted, the tubby-wagon didn't seem to gain momentum any time soon, but the game had been stalling for quite a while then. This whole tubby/darkdude thing fits into the profile of supporting competing wagons. If Adel is scum and purposefully did this kind of double bussing I'm nomming her for a scummy.

That's it for now; it's 1:07 AM here and I'm getting up at six so I'll continue this later.

IH = Kison. That is one of my remaining problems with thinking that Kison is scum.. both darkdude and tubby followed my vote onto IH.

[Adel]

@Korts, why does this endgame (you + me + kison) make sense for being something that kison-scum engineered?

[Adel]

vote: Korts[/b ]

[Adel]

I was this close " " to voting for you. I know what phases your other games are in and I've tracked your activity level on this site. This is an example of where playing in multiple games is hurting your chances of winning this game. You've lurked and stalled all through this game. My heart will have frozen against you if you take another week. Evidence now, please.

[Adel]

vote: Kison

crosses fingers

[Adel]

I'm not scum. Korts is scum?

[Adel]

OK...

[Adel]

I was only following this game intermittently once I was dead, but you have no idea how aggravating it was to see pages of discussion on the guns that I never made. (After a bit more mafia under my belt, it's possible that I should have produced guns, probably over N1. Problem was I didn't like anybody as particularly townie at that point.)

Anyway, go town! I'm glad I could contribute.

I think you made the right choice.

gg scum!

[Adel]

The Setup

This is the Town Victory Condition that will be present in all pro-town role PMs:

You win with the town when all threats to the town are dead.

All other possible Victory Conditions will remain hidden.

This game is Semi-Open, what follows is a list of all roles which may or may not be in the game:

These roles are always town aligned:

You are an

Amnesiac Cop

. Each night you can investigate another player to find out whether they are in the mafia. You will, however, forget your result so you also have to name yet another player, who should receive the result of your investigation.

You are an

Amnesiac Deputy

. You will take the position of the first (Amnesiac) Cop who dies. You will then become an Amnesiac Cop.

You are a

Cop

. Each night you can investigate another player to find out whether they are in the mafia.

You are a

Deputy

. You will take the position of the first (Amnesiac) Cop who dies. You will then become a Cop.

You are a

Mason

with XX. You know that they are town, and they know that you are town. You two can talk at night.

You are a

Miller

. This means that you will always look guilty to cop investigations.

You are a

Vanilla Townie

, you have no special power.

These roles are always mafia aligned:

You are a

Godfather

. This means that you will always look innocent to cop investigations.

You are a

Goon

. You have no special powers.

The following role is neither:

You are a

Serial Killer

. Each night you can send me a target you will attempt to kill. You are immune to all night actions.

The following role can be either town or mafia aligned:

You are a

Neighbour

of XXX. You can talk with them at night, but you do not know their alignment.

All other roles can be either town aligned, mafia aligned or be a group ability of the mafia(*):

You are an

Amnesiac Tracker

. Each night you can find out who another player targeted that night. You will, however, forget your result so you also have to name yet another player, who should receive the result of your tracking.

You are an

Amnesiac Watcher

. Each night you can find out who targeted another player that night. You will, however, forget your result so you also have to name yet another player, who should receive the result of your watching.

You are a

Bodyguard

. Each night you can choose to protect another player. You will die in their place if they are targeted for a kill.

You are a

Doctor

. Each night you can choose to protect another player.

You are a

Jailkeeper

. Each night you can lock another player away. They will neither be able to perform their night action nor can anyone else perform a night action on them.

You are a

Gun Inventor

. Each night you can give another player a gun (One-Shot Vigilante) to be used on any subsequent night.

You are a

Nurse

. You will take the position of the first Doctor who dies.

You are a

One-Shot Doctor

. One night you can protect another player.

You are a

One-Shot Vigilante

. One night you can attempt to kill another player.

You are a

Roleblocker

. Each night you can prevent another player from performing their night action.

You are a

Tracker

. Each night you can find out who another player targeted that night.

You are a

Syringe Inventor

. Each night you can give another player a syringe (One-Shot Doctor) to be used on any subsequent night.

You are a

Vigilante

. Each night you can attempt to kill another player.

You are a

Watcher

. Each night you can find out who targeted another player that night.

(*)
Example: The group ability of Vigilante is identical with a mafia kill.
Note: The last mafia member may use both one group ability and his role ability in the same night. Group abilities may or may not be used on themselves in that case.

this made for an awesome game. Great format, setup, and execution.

I'm looking forward to playing in TDC's future normal games.

[Adel]

abr - thanks for covering mod duties while tdc was gone.

[Adel]

what were the rules for the gun? Could one player use more than one in one night? That could have set up a very sweet doc fake claim.

like:

tubby is innocent - I protected him last night and there wasn't a kill.

[Adel]

yay! town wins.

i thought/hoped it was kison.

looking back over your posts really helped inform my decision. I felt that both Kison and Korts seemed a little insincere with the tubby wagon at times.




I still don't understand why tubby and darkdude voted for IH. Was it a parallel distancing move? I can't recall seeing that maneuver before.


this graphic helped me a lot when I reread the day with the knowledge that one of Kison and Korts bussed tubby.

~~

@kison why did you kill Ecto instead of me? Just because he was confirmed? How did you expect endgame to work out?

~~~
How responsible was Korts in the lynching of darkdude? I never really got found a good answer for that question.

[Adel]

Number of uses of the acronym "WIFOM" during day 6:
Korts: 0
Adel: 1
Kison: 3

[Adel]

EBWOQ:

this graphic helped me a lot when I reread the day with the knowledge that one of Kison and Korts bussed tubby.

[Adel]

I guess it was a good thing I didn't draw the NK like I was trying to.

[Adel]

This is a rundown of how i'm feeling about everybody. It is unfortunately not very long.

Ectomancer - town due to innocent result.

Rage - believe his claim, so town.

tubby216 - reacted to pressure poorly, but there was a lot of pressure put on him. not sure, but would not protest his lynch although probably wouldn't take part.

insanepenguin02 - mostly confusing, and has mainly said stuff I don't agree with. The main one is the whole "I hammered darkdude so I can't be scum" thing (note: that was not an actual quote - I was almost lynched in another game for this because it was deemed to be misrepresenting). Once again would not protest his lynch, and this time I probably would take part.

Kison - my vote is on him at the moment, but it is not so much that he is a very good suspect, but that I don't have any very good suspects, and he is at least a fairly good suspect.

Korts - posts a lot, and that generally sways me in to thinking someone is more likely town, but this is flawed reasoning, and there is something in my gut that doesn't like him in this game. Don't have any actual reason to suspect him though, and

he was instrumental in lynching darkdude

, so town points there.

afatchic - replaced a bunch of people I didn't really have a tell on, and I still don't really have a tell on afatchic. Just refreshed the game and saw korts most recent post, and have to agree that the last page or so is not good.

Adel - I think adel is town, at least I certainly hope adel is town, because he is having a large influence on this game.
Has been very pro-town with scum-hunting/pressure/discussion-encouraging. My question is: due to metagaming, would adel-scum feel the need to do so much pro-town activity so as not to be obviously scum, or could adel-scum just not contribute as much and get away with it?

why did you think that he was instrumental in lynching darkdude? I didn't see it, but I took your word for it, once you were dead.

[Adel]

I walked into the day thinking that Kison was probably scum, but I needed more information from your first. There were a lot of small things. The fact that the two of you were so similar in so many ways (who you voted for and when, who you attacked and when, ect) helped. There were differences:
1. Tubby and Darkdude followed my vote onto IH (Kison-town tell)
2. The darkdude lynch (Korts-town tell)
3. ThAdmiral was killed before Ecto, and his was pro-Korts (Korts-town tell)
4. Kison expressed suspicion of Ecto after ThAdmiral's death (Kison-scum tell)

I did not find Kison's posts during Day 6 to be convincing, and your's were just good enough.

[Adel]

Adel: Where did you get the idea that I'm a geek?

modular role pms.

How did you find the setup?

pretty great. I especially liked the semi-open part with the group abilities.

this was a really hard game for me to play,, i was trying really hard but i faltered bad underpressure but then agian i have never been pressured like that before in a game or since,, adel i would like that final annalysy of me in this game,, but if you would rather wait becuse you think it will help in that "other" game we are in then thats fine too.

i appologize to my partners i tried hard and when i was going down and knew it was trying to make the flames so high it left no trace of you,,

I hope I didn't make the game too un-fun for you. I'll talk to you more after the other game is over-- I didn't realize that you were in it until after I replaced into it.

[Adel]

If anyone of you is not interested in playing an upcoming large normal, I would appreciate if you could review it.

Otherwise, feel free to pre-in.

I'll be happy to review it. Have you considered trying out the Deep South mechanic?

PM me

[Adel]

I got the setup.

You guys will definitely want to play in his game.