Open 119 - Masons and Mafia (GAME OVER) before 747

[Sironigous]

Vote: Nicolios

GRR last game.

[Sironigous]

But really Sir, you shouldn't be using stuff from previous games against anyone.

I know, I know... new game, new roles, new everything.

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New.. Bias?
ahem.

I HATE SIR.

Just kidding. Okay, maybe a little. Hhaha.

... you do?

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What the heck.. Zwet on L-2 already?

I would say Crawdad's and Jazzmyn's votes are random, as they were posted before any real content.

Rok and Zwet seem like they are just bickering.

But IH, voting Zwet to L-2?

First you say you want to get Nicolios...

Now you say you want to get Zwet, without retracting anything said against Nicolios. You just jumped on that mini bandwagon that just turned larger with your vote.

Why switch?.. and are you anxious for an early lynch?
Explain yourself...

Until then,
I

Vote: IH

[Sironigous]

OMG! Sironigous doesn't even recognize IH has a case on me, and says that voting someone at all is bad? Obvscum.

Confirm Vote: Sironigous

IH, I did find that third vote opportunistic. And I don't like that Rok hasn't unvoted for absolutely no reason.

IH has a case on you?

From what I understand, IH completely destroyed his Nico case to vote for you. If the third vote is opportunistic, as you state, wouldn't the next vote be doubly (and more) opportunistic?

Where do I say voting someone is bad?

Voting to L-2 is bad with 3 mafia out there.

[Sironigous]

EDWOP

I guess the vote on me would be the opposite of OMGUS voting...
So it's... unOMGUS?

[Sironigous]

... what?

... I asked WHERE I said voting was bad?

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Ohhh that's where you contrived your argument from.
Well, if you omit the "to L-2" part (which is not nonessential information), you can twist my words.

So, do you truly think IH has a case on you?

But, I restate.

From what I understand, IH completely destroyed his Nico case to vote for you. If the third vote is opportunistic, as you state, wouldn't the next vote be doubly (and more) opportunistic?

YOU are the one that seems to be contradicting himself.

[Sironigous]

Wait, I'm attacking you?

I thought you were attacking me? Ironically...

It's called pressure, Sironigous, something that you need more off to squeeze some truth out of you.

Oh wait... is that not a threat incentive?
.... That pressure?

So, what bugs me is this...

IH's vote is a pressure vote, intended for me to answer his questions about my suspicion of Rok, while not forcing me into a position any scum could take advantage of and quicklynch.

... how do you know that?

You just said he has a case against you... It's JUST for pressure?

Your last post makes no sense, and you pretend you didn't realize that IH had a case on me.

It seems to me that you (Zwet) are trying only to confuse me.

hohum.

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You know what. From now on I'm going to take your posts apart sentence by sentence, because apparently I'm too dense to understand their meanings in a read.

You just said I'm contradicting myself, and once again you refused to pay attention to my post.

Yes, I did. You mean the part about you saying I'm attacking you or the part where I say you're attacking me?

Yes, it's called pressure, and it works all the time, and is not opportunism or a scumtell.

It does? So, how can you tell the difference between pressure and opportunism?

How am I confusing you?

As I've stated, you seem to be contradicting yourself. Until I stop being dense or you stop contradicting yourself, I'll keep getting confused.

You voted IH for scummy reasons, and when I call you out on them you say I'm confusing you?

I voted IH because I felt that he jumped onto your bandwagon after abandoning his own ideals on Nicolio.

(I think I'm capable enough to take the last two parts together)

It doesn't help your position when I call attention to the Freudian slip I see at the end of your post.

Sironigous: "Hi, my scumpartner was hohum!"

Wow, your figments of imagination are going wild today.

[Sironigous]

hohum = sigh = bah = meh = hmm = eh = blah = mmm = heh = hehe = hah = riiighttt...

....right?

[Sironigous]

Not right?

Then I used hohum in the wrong context.

.. What should hohum mean then?

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Dangit, I'm dense again then. What'd I miss out on now? Once again... Zwet post time.

OMG!!!

Chatspeak for surprise. Unless I'm wrong about that expression too..

Then he pretends he doesn't know what we're talking about.

Talking about hohum mafia or expression?

LYNCH THIS SCUM NOW!!!

I think he wants the other people to lynch me and get off his bandwagon. *shrug*

BTW, all you scum out there, if you kill me now, you'll be incriminating your buddy Sironigous.

wait.. How can scum kill YOU. And how does that incriminate me if they kill you

I don't suggest even attempting to suicide yourselves on my townie hide, if you want Sir alive.

Why would they suicide? That's not necessarily smart... Shouldn't they just daykill each other then if they wanted to? And of course, if the others are going to "LYNCH THIS SCUM NOW" I won't be alive.

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...dangit, I'm missing everything. Now I'm dense with the rules? What'd I miss now?

[Sironigous]

Before anything goes, mine are the underlined ones, his are bold.

Let's look at this baby:

Yeah, let's.

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OMG!!!


Chatspeak for surprise. Unless I'm wrong about that expression too..

Useless information, with no point

I told you I'm making sure I examine everything.

Quote:

Then he pretends he doesn't know what we're talking about.


Talking about hohum mafia or expression?

He continues to pretend he doesn't know that it's about hohum

Oh... dead hohum. oops. that's where you get that from

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LYNCH THIS SCUM NOW!!!


I think he wants the other people to lynch me and get off his bandwagon. *shrug*

He ignores what I said about IH's case being valid and instead of defending himself goes off in another direction intending to incriminate me

Um. I defended myself already. I don't see IH's case valid. Just because I don't like your view on something doesn't mean it's wrong, does it? ... Unless you know something more than I do. ;/

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BTW, all you scum out there, if you kill me now, you'll be incriminating your buddy Sironigous.


wait.. How can scum kill YOU. And how does that incriminate me if they kill you

If scum kill me, the town will realize that they killed me/ committed suicide for attacking a townie instead of a mason right when you were getting the most pressure from a protown guy. Then they'll lynch you in two and a half seconds

But what you don't realize is I'm not voting for you. I really don't think you're scum.

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I don't suggest even attempting to suicide yourselves on my townie hide, if you want Sir alive.

Why would they suicide? That's not necessarily smart... Shouldn't they just daykill each other then if they wanted to? And of course, if the others are going to "LYNCH THIS SCUM NOW" I won't be alive.

And he pretends that he hasn't read the rules of the game

Oh wait, did I take something too literally now... This word suicide. /more confusion

Is it clear enough how much Sir is scum?

And I reiterate, I'm not voting for you.

(I claim text that is bold and underlined at the same time)

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EDWOP
2nd to last line should be underlined and not bolded.

[Sironigous]

I'm not going to stop personally analyzing your posts sentence by sentence until I'm not confused anymore.

Behold, my new destruction of his post!

Let's look at this baby:

Yeah, let's.

Uselessness

I said every sentence. I mean every sentence. I'm not backing down on what I believe until I'm wrong.

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OMG!!!


Chatspeak for surprise. Unless I'm wrong about that expression too..

Useless information, with no point

I told you I'm making sure I examine everything.

That's not examining, that's pretending that something useless is meaningful

Color doesn't make it meaningful either. I'm examining everything until I'm not confused.

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Then he pretends he doesn't know what we're talking about.


Talking about hohum mafia or expression?

He continues to pretend he doesn't know that it's about hohum

Oh... dead hohum. oops. that's where you get that from

Liar! You knew it was hohum. And now you simply say "oops" instead of justifying yourself

hohum.. What's wrong with a sigh meh bad etc etc? You use !!'s. I use hohums. simple fact ~

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LYNCH THIS SCUM NOW!!!


I think he wants the other people to lynch me and get off his bandwagon. *shrug*

He ignores what I said about IH's case being valid and instead of defending himself goes off in another direction intending to incriminate me

Um. I defended myself already. I don't see IH's case valid. Just because I don't like your view on something doesn't mean it's wrong, does it? ... Unless you know something more than I do. ;/

No, you didn't defend yourself. You only disagreed with my opinion, then came up with a little side door to sneak your way out of. That's not defending yourself

Wait, what'd I do to sneak out? Once again, I'll say I don't believe in IH's reason. I think I've quoted myself enough to say why.
Besides, why do I have to defend myself if I'm not being attacked, as you said earlier?... You said I was the one doing the attacking.

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BTW, all you scum out there, if you kill me now, you'll be incriminating your buddy Sironigous.


wait.. How can scum kill YOU. And how does that incriminate me if they kill you

If scum kill me, the town will realize that they killed me/ committed suicide for attacking a townie instead of a mason right when you were getting the most pressure from a protown guy. Then they'll lynch you in two and a half seconds

But what you don't realize is I'm not voting for you. I really don't think you're scum.

And now he's getting paranoid! I never said anything about you thinking I'm scum. I never included that in my case!

Um. Paranoid? No. Annoyed? Maybe. Confused? Positively.

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I don't suggest even attempting to suicide yourselves on my townie hide, if you want Sir alive.

Why would they suicide? That's not necessarily smart... Shouldn't they just daykill each other then if they wanted to? And of course, if the others are going to "LYNCH THIS SCUM NOW" I won't be alive.

And he pretends that he hasn't read the rules of the game

Oh wait, did I take something too literally now... This word suicide. /more confusion

And you pretend you're still confused. Had enough confusion excuses, yet, Sir?

... I'm making excuses?... all these contradictory posts are confusing.

Is it clear enough how much Sir is scum?

And I reiterate, I'm not voting for you.

Which has nothing to do with anything

Um, I don't believe I'm attacking you. How did this whole thing come up again?

[Sironigous]

You know...

Good night as well. I'm leaving too.

Don't lynch Zwet.

[Sironigous]

OK, well I'll summarize.

I don't think Zwet is scum

I am not trying to attack Zwet. He started to attack me and I just analyzed his posts sentence by sentence, since he said he wasn't contradicting himself, which I thought he was. Apparently that didn't help my confusion at all.

IH says that he has a reason for switching votes?...

From what I understand, he just says his Zwet hunch is better than his Nico hunch. Conveniently, IH's vote on Zwet pushed him to L-2.

2 votes and Zwet's gone. My vote isn't going to be one of them.

If any of you need more stuff from me, just ask.

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Uh, how could Crazy do that? He's not even here. 1 post the whole game.

Mega didn't even post at all...

[Sironigous]

I'm sorry, but from what I realize, you were the one closest to being voted out?

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This is how you confuse me!!!

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Oh dangit. I seriously misinterpreted that.

Unvote

[Sironigous]

What are you confused about and why do you think your back and forth with zwets is clearing anything up?

Is Zwet contradicting himself constantly?

[Sironigous]

Someone other than Zwet want to give a second opinion?

[Sironigous]

You are awfully negative.

No matter how much you begin/continue to irk me, I'm not voting for you.

Good luck finding someone to hammer you....?

[Sironigous]

Sironigous, why are you so dead set on not voting for zwets?

Zwet seems way too accusatory, if you get what I mean. I think he's just trying to find scum with a big stick.

Sure his posts don't make too much sense to me, but he's just trying to get me lynched (with him).

Besides, if I hammer him, mafia and masons get 24 hours to discuss whatever they know.

How much can mason talk actually do compared to mafia talk? I'll agree with you on that: Not much.

Yet, if Mr. Zwet convinces me with self-incrimination... Then I might have to. ;/

[Sironigous]

OK Rok.

Sironigous, why is one of your reasons for not wanting to end the day that mafia gets to talk? I can see why we don't want to stop so early, but being afraid of the mafia chattering is not a valid reason.

Why does it look more to you like zwets is trying to "find scum with a big stick" and not that he's trying to drive a mislynch or at least direct attention away from him?

This might be contrived, but...

If mafia knew that Megatheory was mason... How much more do they know? They had basically NO evidence. Would mafia really risk another member with intuition?

Rok's Second question.

I'll start backwards - It does seem like he's directing attention away from him. But, who wouldn't want to when he or she is that close to being lynched, townie or not?
Sure that is scummy in a sense, but it's also practical.

Of course if he is leading a mislynch, I'll feel duped so badly.

Rok, how much information do you think the mafia and masons have at this point?

A: I thought that new Batman movie sucked.

Siro: On another note, I thought it was great.
B: WHY?!?

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I'll start backwards again.

I just wondered if you thought it would be more beneficial to the town if another day passed compared to mafia.

I mean, if mafia have more info, of course we have to ensure that we lynch one the first day.

Now with Zwet...

THIS Zwet post is what made me think of him as super townie.

(post 93)

OMG!!! Then he pretends he doesn't know what we're talking about. LYNCH THIS SCUM NOW!!! BTW, all you scum out there, if you kill me now, you'll be incriminating your buddy Sironigous. I don't suggest even attempting to suicide yourselves on my townie hide, if you want Sir alive.

If Zwet is lynched and turns out town, I'd probably be the one called for "leading his wagon" with the little skirmish we had.

He just seems really confident there. REALLY confident.... and panicky.
I mean, this was just 2 minutes after I posted.

For me, I know posting takes at least 5 mins for ones that don't involve forum tag.

Once again, Zwet lynch is (semi) last resort for me.

[Sironigous]

I'm sorry. IH, what's IE?

[offtopic]I recently wrote a paper using lots of IE. Internet Explorer that is.[/offtopic]

[Sironigous]

ie is some latin phrase that means something like "for example."

Thanks! Usually I recognize it as ie.

If I think someone is scum or I think there's a possibility that that person is scum, but I don't want to end the day yet, I just post my suspicions and hold off on voting. There's no need to state so strongly that you think that person is town, especially since zwets hasn't down anything that makes him look townie.

He hasn't. Ha. He just confused me the whole time.

Are you saying that you don't want to lynch zwets because you think that if he turns up town, then we'll want to lynch you?

To be honest this is yes/no.
I mean, I was the bait, in a sense, to investigate him.
But, no in the sense that lynch requires 6 votes, a team effort. Jazz, IH, and you confirmed their votes.
Crawdad hasn't confirmed his yet, from what I understand.
I'd like to get a confirmation from him so we know he really is part of the lynch and not just a stray.

How does that post make him look townie? Panicky is not a good thing. How is confidence a good thing?

Not panic or confidence in itself, but impulse. Though, I'm probably not fit to analyze his meta game... (heh, I did learn something from Zwet through this)

I guess pre vote is

FoS: Zwet

.

(my first FoS!)

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Actually, Zwet has irked me with this for too long.

Vote: Zwet

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I seriously thought Crazy was mason...

I should've targetted Coolness... He was the other one I thought was a mason..

Once again, Nicolio is the person who messes me up. xD... I thought you were town...