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Woo! Thank you, thank you!
*crickets chirp*
...bloody crickets.
Anyway, hi. I'm kinda a newbie here but I know how the basic game works along with some roles thanks to the wiki so I'll probably make some dumb mistakes but hopefully not.
Now, to read the stuff beforehand and see if anything comes up.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Ok, it seems I've come in just after the random voting has ended so now I have to make a reasoned decision and vote on the words or mistakes that have been said. Downside, it's still D1 and there's not really a lot to go on. It also happens to be half 3 in the morning right now so I figure the best thing to do is to go to bed and check this in the morning for anything new.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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But, isn't the point of a FoS that you only use it when you already have a vote down? As far as I knew, it served only to show that you think that person is scummy but not as scummy as the person you're voting for. If you have no vote on someone, but you find someone suspicious, vote for them!Artem wrote:I can FoS charter. I can also vote for him. It doesn't make much difference right now as there is no bandwagon on him. I'm not pouncing on an easy target. I'm giving him a slap on the wrist, because townies (assuming he is one) shouldn't play with WIFOM as it distracts and confuses the town.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Artem wrote:Lowell wrote:I like artifex or artem more as scum more than BSG right now. Lynx looks town.
Care to explain?
In short, Lowell, explain.Artifex wrote:
Okay really quick before I go, why to all four people mentioned.Lowell wrote:I like artifex or artem more as scum more than BSG right now. Lynx looks town.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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But as BSG said (and lynx directly before him who may have given him the idea) he has nothing to worry about thus no need to claim as all the votes on him are random or "let's see what happens" votes.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Sorry. I disappeared as I now have 3 other games I'm in and trying to catch up on all of them takes quite a bit of time. I'm not gonna bother saying who I think is town, but instead who I think looks (vaguely) scum.
Charter, obviously, looks bad to me unless he comes up with a damn good explanation otherwise it will look like a lame scum tactic to cover his tracks. Though, this early in the game it would be hard to tell.
Alvinz I'm gonna hold back on until he says something as town and scum alike may have reasons to lurk.
Artem may be made to look scummish through the arguments presented against him/that he gets involved in, but it may also be scum mistakes so I'll be watching him for a bit until I feel more certain about him.
Danfeelslike town, but he needs to stop lurking else he looks like scum.
Lastly, Darox remains an unknown as he replaced a lurker. Again, town and scum alike may have reason to lurk, so my views on him will be made based on what he says and how long it takes for him to say it.
I'm pretty much caught up on all my games now so I should be able to post a bit more often.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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I'm tempted to agree with the Artem lynching as well. His overall feel seems like he's gain everyone's attention then try and send it somewhere else. If he is scum, this may be a good way to protect scum mates as we've tended to ignore that redirection and keep focusing on him instead.
Charter definitely has entered a whole realm of WIFOM, even if he really didn't mean it, and I don't see any way he can get out of it. I had to look carefully for his reasons to vote as they were squashed into 2 lines hidden amongst a wall of quote. Again, whether it be intentional or not, Charter is doing himself no favours at all by acting in such a way.
Still, for now I willVote: Artemdue to his big post targetting charter, dan, and pretty much every other user then he makes one small paragraph on Lowell and votes him for that. If he was gonna do a big post like that, I would expect some more reasons or at least more explanation as to why he would make a vote as OMGUS as that.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Nope, still referring to that post. It just seems to me that your vote was OMGUS with the way Lowell was calling you (and artifex) a scumbuddy and you try to hide that under reasons super condensed into three lines.
Dont get me wrong, Lowell's lack of decent posting does make him look scummish, but it could also be as simple as him being stupid.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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If I could quote one of your reasons to vote someone else, then wouldn't I be voting for them? Not to mention the logical fallacy that exists when someone I think is scum asks me to agree with one of his reasons why someone else may be scum.Artem wrote:
I would still like you to show me one of my posts where I presented more (serious) reasons to vote for somebody else. Comparing my paragraph on Lowell to "all those big posts" is just a blurby reason to vote me without providing any kind of evidence.Master Ruck wrote:Nope, still referring to that post. It just seems to me that your vote was OMGUS with the way Lowell was calling you (and artifex) a scumbuddy and you try to hide that under reasons super condensed into three lines.
Dont get me wrong, Lowell's lack of decent posting does make him look scummish, but it could also be as simple as him being stupid.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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*scanning Artem posts*
Your point is valid. You mentioned Charter quite a bit through the short course this game has led, but as you said it's all just WIFOM and not enough reason for a vote on him.Unvote
Also,Mod: Please prod Alvinz as he continues to lurk and say nothing.
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The answer to him being "saved" is very clearly seen if you actually finished reading thesame sentencethat it turns up in.
Or do we need to start putting in [sarcasm] tags?Xdaamno wrote:Saved by a rule that I hate... I'm not going to complain.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Actually, I said that and it seems like you jumped on that idea to try and admit your fault to look more town. Now you're claiming it was your thought and you're trying to set it aside having reread and realised that jumping on that idea may not have been a good plan.Lynx The Antithesis wrote: his one was a fault on my part all led by the second reponse on the issue "denouncing" the first.In the second comment I adressed the whole BSG thing because I felt people were giving her too much credit as a townie because of her reaction to the wagon.I misplaced the fact that her emotions had already been displayed before I gave the earlier defense. Upon reread, I saw that her status as a rational townie under the wagon had been established already before my statement. Therefore I corrected my stance in the second comment. The second response comes from wrongly placed chronology of what happened earlier. Once I looked over it again, the proper order of the events were more clear.
I do have to wonder, can you keep on the same train of thought for more than 10 seconds?With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Right here.
And you even acknowledge it in your next post.Master Ruck wrote:But as BSG said (and lynx directly before him who may have given him the idea) he has nothing to worry about thus no need to claim as all the votes on him are random or "let's see what happens" votes.
But when Darox points out a flaw in your reasoning behind my thoughtsLynx The Antithesis wrote:And just for everyone's info as Master Ruck has stated, I first said BSG has nothing to worry about because most of the votes on her were random. So don't jump to the conclusion that BSG is a calm townie because I may have instilled some sense of safety in her without hearing from her first. Fault on me cause it defeats any purpose of gauging her reaction from the wagon.
You suddenly flip again and ignore or alter your view to make it work.Darox wrote:The biggest problem I have here is BSGdidspeak up before you leapt to her aid, but you seem to be eager to state that there is no point in trying to read about her reactions because you 'ruined' them. It seems like a good way to absolve your previous actions as well as turn down any inquiring looks into BSG's play.
Which Darox points outLynx The Antithesis wrote:Also, with BSG, I did say first that BSG has nothing to worry about because most of the votes were random. I said this after Artem questioned why BSG wasn't focusing on the wagon on her. I said it largely because the reaction that BSG could have given had already passed. Upon rereading the incidence, BSG had already proven calm before I had stated the defense really. Despite what I earlier said about my defense nullifying her reaction, I see now that her reaction was gauged already. She proved a calm, scum hunting town. Which is what any townie should do when their is no basis for a wagon on themselves and they have nothing to defend.
And puts you in a corner where, in your defense, you either forget or purposely ommit the fact that you jumped on the possibility I gave and you're now trying to pass it off as a mistake you made.Darox wrote:Now this is pretty much a textbook turnaround. First comment on BSG, you defend her and explain her calm response. In the second comment, you denouce your actions and state her calm response was false because you muddied it with your defence. In this third comment, you go back to her being a calm townie completely unsullied by your defence and even counter your previous statement that it ruined reactions by stating 'the time for a reaction had already passed', which begs the question of why you ever issued the second comment. You've done so many 180's that I'm surprised you can still see straight. And it doesn't explain why you felt compelled to defend her in the first place.
Lynx The Antithesis wrote:his one was a fault on my part all led by the second reponse on the issue "denouncing" the first. In the second comment I adressed the whole BSG thing because I felt people were giving her too much credit as a townie because of her reaction to the wagon.I misplaced the fact that her emotions had already been displayed before I gave the earlier defense. Upon reread, I saw that her status as a rational townie under the wagon had been established already before my statement. Therefore I corrected my stance in the second comment. The second response comes from wrongly placed chronology of what happened earlier. Once I looked over it again, the proper order of the events were more clear.Thatis what I meant.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Maybe so, but whether it means that Lynx is unsure of what his view on the situation is or that he may just be easily influenced, he needs to start making up his mind and going with that. All this switching views is making him look scummish in my eyes.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Damn. If Xda is telling the truth, then I was wrong in my assumption of his being 'saved'. I'll not answer questions on another's behalf again.
Also, BSG, where's that FoS coming from? Any reason you'd like to point out or you just doing it cuz you can?With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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@BSG
I missed your comments on me as you summed me up as MR. Call me Ruck and I'll notice that instantly. I've said my bad on answering for xda, so onto your other points of interest.
Post 166/168, I had no intention to make it look like that, nor do I really see it as that. I thought it might be possible that he was confused, but also possible that lynx may be scum. I wanted to see his defense to decide upon, so I should have worded it differently and said simply that instead of giving lynx a possible out.
As for charter calling me scum, what reason did I have to defend it? It's not like he voted for me (or FoS for that matter) and he's right to point out the contradiction. It was a dumb move, and here that doesn't qualify as a reasonable defense, so I ignored it and tried to focus on scum hunting again.
In short, I am a really dumb town.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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I have already admitted my mistake in giving lynx possible outs so I won't comment on them any more unless people feel I should.
I didn't immediately respond my thoughts at being called scum as I thought that in itself would sound even more scummish, especially since all I would have basically said is "sorry, my bad. I'm just dumb," so I tried to focus on scum hunting again. Though, I will ask Charter a question that was asked to me. If you called me scum as you did (in caps, bold letters I might add) then why no vote or FoS of any kind? Surely suspicion warrants one of those two, or was it simply a pressure move to see what i might say in response?With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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I figured I'd take the time to look at Xd's posts to see if this wagon is unfounded or not. After doing so, I don't have any reason to disagree with it. There was a large week-long gap between posts, the first after the gap saying he'll post more and the post after being the would-be lynch. Arguments have been made against him and he has either barely defended, poorly defended or not bothered to defend against by saying he has lost interest.
I'm gonnaVote: Xdaamnoand make itverythat this puts Xd at L-1, so nobody else vote him yet. I'll unvote if people want to feel more safe and discuss more, but as far as I can see with his lack of scum hunting and the potential hammer, discussion is essentially over and unless anyone disagrees Xda should claim.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Oooh, damn, Artem pre-emptively called me out on the claim issue. I need to refresh the topic before I make a post else I would have seen that.
Still, as scummy as it sounds for me to say it, I don't actually have anything else to add to the Xdaamno case. Charter especially, as well as panzer, lynx and artifex now have all made quite clear what you have done and any more dodging will not make you look any better. Perhaps you should start being a bit more direct with questions asked against you. Actually, maybe we should ask you what you think of the other players now and see if you make any attempt to answer. You're at L-1 now anyway, so if you're going to be lynched it's best we at least hear who you think is scum and who's not.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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The perhaps and maybe are suggestions. Take them away and their sentences sound much more forceful, which is not something I imagine is good when you're in the delicate situation that you're in.
As for the WIFOM in my previous post, I'm not sure to what degree I should refute that as it seems OMGUSy, but I'll state a couple of points I liked against Xd that were no help for him at all.
Good, if not brief, reasons;Lynx The Antithesis wrote:Also,Unvote, Vote:Xdaamno
He hastily jumped on the Artem wagon with no analysis or evidence of his own(For the hammer vote nonetheless). He's contributed nothing to the active scumhunting and given no case for any of his votes. Just shown little activity, but is still obviously here.
Self explanatory, thanks to BSG, and Lowell sums it up surprisingly well with his pbp post. I feel confidant with my post.Xdaamno wrote:I admit many of my posts have been speculation. Distancing myself from 'the main scum hunt' is something I do actively.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Well, there's no doubt about it then. I really truly suck at this game. Maybe I should ask for a replacement so someone better redeems me and stick to some newbie games for now. Yes, this is WIFOM to the extreme, but all I can say is that everything I have done thus far is just me being stupid. If you want, you can lynch me now and get me over with. I won't complain.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Ok,Unvote: Xdaamnofor now.
More fuel to add to the "Ruck is scum" fire, I know, but the newbie game I'm in has shown me I have an agressive paranoid style whereby my votes only tend to make things worse. To counter this, I will only vote if there are also very good reasons in that post instead of having to be asked for them later only to not find them as my thoughts were only vibes. I am going to do adetailedreread and regardless of whether they are likely to be lynched or not, I will make a vote if I feel they are scum that needs to be lynched.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Purely a coincidence, my dear, I assure you.Artifex wrote:And Ruck's hopping on and off of the Xda train has definitely raised my eyebrows- I can't help but notice that the candidate you took to L-1 last time is now on his way again without you even having to cast a vote.
I don't know how much water this will hold considering my current erratic, admittedly suspicious voting pattern, but I won't object to xdaamno being lynched either. He's either scum, or a townie that naturally makes himself look this bad. If the latter is the case, he's not doing much to scum hunt his way out of it.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Uh huh, because that is really the best thing for town right now, huh.Xdaamno wrote:I'll give a player-by-player analysis later todaybefore I self-hammer(so that you guys remember what I say).With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Yes, because as far as I know a self-hammer is anti-town and not something that should be resorted to.Xdaamno wrote:
I'm saying that the certainty my final words being right there and in recent memory when you guys start the next day is more valuable than the slim chance we lynch somebody else. Do you disagree?Master Ruck wrote:
Uh huh, because that is really the best thing for town right now, huh.Xdaamno wrote:I'll give a player-by-player analysis later todaybefore I self-hammer(so that you guys remember what I say).With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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You take offence? If you're town, you have 6 votes on you and a hammer soon on its way, and you don't think you look that bad?Xdaamno wrote:
I take offense to 'look this bad'. I believe I have owned up to every single argument I have made that is not solid. I'd also like to point out the case on me is laughable, since I have nothing to lose. Your methodology should be logical, not "vibes" or "I don't get it".Master Ruck wrote:
Purely a coincidence, my dear, I assure you.Artifex wrote:And Ruck's hopping on and off of the Xda train has definitely raised my eyebrows- I can't help but notice that the candidate you took to L-1 last time is now on his way again without you even having to cast a vote.
I don't know how much water this will hold considering my current erratic, admittedly suspicious voting pattern, but I won't object to xdaamno being lynched either. He's either scum, or a townie that naturally makes himself look this bad. If the latter is the case, he's not doing much to scum hunt his way out of it.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Consider the point already addressed. I'm not stopping you from saying your final words, which town could use later if you flip town, but the self-hammer is what I see as bad and your lynch (if it happens today) should be made by another so we can use it later in the game as some sort of clue. If you want your final words to be remembered, then make them convincing. Nothing else is necessary.Xdaamno wrote:
Circular logic. A hammer is bad because it is "anti-town". Please try again and actually address my point.Master Ruck wrote:
Yes, because as far as I know a self-hammer is anti-town and not something that should be resorted to.Xdaamno wrote:
I'm saying that the certainty my final words being right there and in recent memory when you guys start the next day is more valuable than the slim chance we lynch somebody else. Do you disagree?Master Ruck wrote:
Uh huh, because that is really the best thing for town right now, huh.Xdaamno wrote:I'll give a player-by-player analysis later todaybefore I self-hammer(so that you guys remember what I say).
Then those are other possibilities, but you've still done nothing to scum-hunt your way out of it.Xdaamno wrote:
Of course I look bad. However, you said I "naturally make myself look bad". Those are two entirely different things. Scum, misunderstandings, bloodthirsty towns, people have bad days andMaster Ruck wrote:
You take offence? If you're town, you have 6 votes on you and a hammer soon on its way, and you don't think you look that bad?Xdaamno wrote:
I take offense to 'look this bad'. I believe I have owned up to every single argument I have made that is not solid. I'd also like to point out the case on me is laughable, since I have nothing to lose. Your methodology should be logical, not "vibes" or "I don't get it".Master Ruck wrote:
Purely a coincidence, my dear, I assure you.Artifex wrote:And Ruck's hopping on and off of the Xda train has definitely raised my eyebrows- I can't help but notice that the candidate you took to L-1 last time is now on his way again without you even having to cast a vote.
I don't know how much water this will hold considering my current erratic, admittedly suspicious voting pattern, but I won't object to xdaamno being lynched either. He's either scum, or a townie that naturally makes himself look this bad. If the latter is the case, he's not doing much to scum hunt his way out of it.mehaving bad days are fivehugeextra factors that I'm surprised you missed.
If you want to reply, which I expect you will, can we stop this quote pyramid as they never look good.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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You say your last words will be a player-by-player analysis which, unless I'm mistaken, has been asked of you a couple of times by now so I don't think a post like that will be ignored. Still, you seem dead-set on it (excuse the pun) so if you want to do it then by all means. This bit will be ignored by you now, but isn't scum hunting going out to look for flaws in the statement of another, and defense is reinforcing your reasonings that may by chance reveal flaws in another?
Most of what you have done seems to be in defense, which now gives me the impression that you may be a townie, just an angry, prone-to-mistakes townie yet equally likely to be scum tactics. Right now, I don't know which one to believe.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Since when did I say I'm not prone to mistakes? Iexpectmyself to make mistakes partially due to me being kinda new, but mostly because I almost always make mistakes no matter what the situation I'm in. And...I just said I don't know what to think of you, which means I don't explicitly think you're scum, to which I get a "Go fuck yourself".With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Xda is avoiding a lynch because attention has been moved to panzer and Xda had nothing to do with it. Threatening to hammer himself didn't matter too much as Artifex said she was willing to put the hammer down so the self hammer would, as Xda said himself, only serve to make his words the last of the day. You seem to be trying to draw attention away from panzer with that post.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Gkkt, dammit Artem! I was gonna point out Xdaamno's contradiction! Went back to look at Xda in isolation, saw that, then saw you do it. I looked at Panzer in isolation as well to compare and I'm leaning towards Xda after that. I'm not ignoring Charter's points as I did see his reasoning, but (which is somewhat annoying to say) he just doesn't have as much as Xda to look at and find anything wrong with. He's changing a lot but he keeps his posts relatively small so I can't pick out as much.
Xda, on the other hand, I've expressed my views a couple of times with my most recent one being that I was on the fence as he could just be an angry townie. Right now, he still could be, but he's being incredibly unhelpful by being stubborn with some players (not all his fault as tubby seems to be equally as stubbron with Xd) and refusing to help unless it's his dying breath.
The approaching deadline is showing that Xdaamno will likely be lynched, and while I would prefer the chance to put Panzer in the hot seat and get him enter the discussion more, we simply don't have the time. In case we can make this fit within 24 hours, Panzer, what is your view on all of this? From what I've seen in my isolation read on you, do you have any thoughts on anyone besides Artem and Charter?With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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The aim of that question was to see what you thought of the other users instead of focusing on Charter and Artem the entire game. Unless I've missed something, and feel free to prove me wrong, those two and a bit of Xdaamno are the only people you've even mentioned.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Xdaamno, you're the lead with votes with around 20 hours left until deadline. It's now highly unlikely that anyone else will be the lynch today, so I believe that, for the good of the town, you should let us know your views and who you think is scum so that we may use it later.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Well then, seeing as Dan is clearly distancing, Lynx just confirmed his Xda vote, panzer is unlikely to vote for himself and Artem seems pretty set on Xda himself, you'll need the lurker Lowell and tubby. Tubby may be open to a change, but again, Lowell is a lurker so I still doubt the lynch today will end up being anyone but Xda. He needs to make some kind of contribution now before it's too late.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Oh no, wait, maybe I am rushing things. I forgot about Afatchic who may decide upon the panzer wagon. I won't rush Xda then, but he still needs to keep in mind he may be lynched and needs to help the town if that looks to be the case.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Uhh, why so urgent Lowell? Deadline is 3 hours away so even if no one hammers him, he'll still be lynched unless everyone decides to simultaneously jump off his wagon. On that matter, Xda, is there a reason besides your own survival that you want another extension?With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Unless I wanted to be the hammer on Xda, my vote wouldn't have made a difference close to deadline. I didn't want to hammer either as I felt Xda could still contribute more so, even though I was wrong, I didn't hammer thus giving Xda all the tim until deadline to add anything else should he feel like it. Basically, I was giving him a chance to say more.Lynx The Antithesis wrote: Master Ruck why no vote at a deadline? Not trying to get too much attention perhaps?
@ Charter, question. Why do you believe you hiding behind Artem confirms him to be town? I looked up the Hider and what I understand of your reasoning is that because Artem didn't die last night, he is now town. All that tells me is that last night Artem didn't die. Hadyoudied last night along with afatchic then I would believe Artem is scum seeing as what the hidersometimesentails is that the hider automatically dies if he hides behind scum. Right now, I'm still not seeing any confirmed anythings.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Ok, I think I read something into Charter's claim that wasn't there. While there's still no 100% confirm for us until charter dies and turns up hider, I'm inclined to believe the claim and thus Artem's innocence.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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I'd be interested to see one of those cases myself. As far as I can tell, my mistakes have been my votes which look opportunistic, and my "I suck" post (254) which was me being frustrated at feeling useless.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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I don't see that big of a case on tubby either other than he's not posted much and it has been a little vague, but he promised to post his thoughts on people in his last post (3 days ago, admittedly, but not masses of time) so I'm gonna wait and hear what he has to say.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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I'm not downplaying at all. My votes look opportunistic and nothing more than that, and that post was also nothing more than frustration at feeling useless. If there are other points you have on me (which you seem to imply with my scumtells made in discussion with Xda) then by all means say them instead of just saying they exist somewhere. Even if I am downplaying any tells, as town, you should explain them all in full anyway.Panzerjager wrote:Well Master Ruck just made my point. He's downplaying his own stuff cause he made huge scumtells in during the XD thing.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Theonlyway? That's being a bit narrow minded. If I have in my mind people who I think are scum, and scum #1 and #2 are lynched/confirmed town, then that makes #3 my new top suspect. I'm seeing that as the situation right now so while it wouldn't hurt to have some more evidence, it's not fair to say that should be theonlyreason why we can suspect you.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Pretty much, Lynx, yeah. I'm not saying that the minor suspicion instantly grows into big suspicion; it still stays as a minor suspicion, but with the clearing of the other suspects it now becomes your best lead and worth pursuing to see where it goes.With the dawning of each new day, my evil machinations inch me closer to world domination. And also breakfast.-
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Still, if the doc protection isn't directed, then we pretty much rely on luck or a damn good doc to guess who is likely to be targetted. Not that it matters, as your point is valid and refutes mine, I just wanted to say this. I'm kinda realising I'm not the best townie to confirm anyhow. My posts are uncommon, useful content more-so and even then it never led to much. Though...Artifex wrote:@MR- don't direct the doc! If we followed your suggestions, we'd have made it nice and easy for the scum to pick the one of us off, knowing exactly where protection was gonna be.
Darox wrote:Why are you suggesting that the hider should not try to clear townies?