Mini 712 - Capital of the World! - (Game over!)

[Porkens]

/confirm

[Porkens]

Jesus Christ, SpyreX, are you even

reading

the game?

Vote: SpyreX

for being lazy and voting for the guy with the easiest name instead of actually reading the game and building a decent case on anyone.

[Porkens]

*sigh*

unvote

vote TAX

for voting himself.

[Porkens]

Vote: Porkens For bandwagon.

Chainsaw defense.

FoS

Westbrook

Why the sigh?

WHY?

W
H
Y
?

WHYFOM.

[Porkens]

FoS

Everyone for lurking.

[Porkens]

I'm pretty sure FoSing evryone in the game isn't really a viable strategy Wink.

Very true. So...crickets? F that.
I'm going to go ahead and

unvote

for the time being

That vote is serious, I don't think self-voting is protown in the random stage, but only semi-serious because of how infantile the game is.

But, there's another interesting post in the game so far that I'd like to give my attention at the moment.

*cracks knucks*

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Looking at the game so far, one post, of course stands out from the rest: Post 29

29 stands out, naturally, because of it's context; that is, directly below Post 28. And a bit further below Post 19

In Post 29, MafiaPlayer casts a "Random" vote for another player; super random dude. This, in and of itself, is nothing to cause alarm. However, if we take a closer look at Post 28, we find that only two hours and thirteen minutes earlier, another player, PerArdua, had cast an OMGUS vote against the same lynch candidate; super random dude. Things become even more ominous when we travel further back in time to see that Post 19

also

picks super random dude for the lynch.

Suddenly, Post 29 looks a little more intentional than it's author might intend (or DOES he?).

I hypothesize that MafiaPlayer's so called "Random" vote on super random dude is, in fact,

not random at all

. Instead, I submit to you that this vote is not only pre-meditated, but also the direct result of a conscious motivation to confuse and mislead the town by the use of a WIFOM gambit.

First of all, lets look at the odds.

Now, be forewarned that I am no Mathstatition, but I think my experience calculating Crit% vs Raw DPS in WoW may be enough to guide me here.

Naturally, we must start by calculating the mathematical chance of a truly random vote. There are 12 players but we can assume that we wouldn't include ourselves as a random vote chance. So, a random vote would give us a 1/11 chance of voting any given player, or about 9.1%.

Next, and this is where I get a little shaky (early, I know), the chances of a random vote landing on the same player as another random vote (for this we must, sadly, disregard the intentional OMGUS vote, unless, of course, PerArdua was the last to confirm at random...) are about 1/121, or .82%.

So, we have one number; the likelihood that alvinz95 and MafiaPlayer both randomly got the same result is .82%. Of course, random is random, and in an infinitely expanding universe, all possibilities will occur. However, there is one more likelihood to consider; The likelihood that MafiaPlayer is lying. What are the odds of that? Well, 99.08% is the obvious answer (total likelihood - the likelihood that a random vote landed on super random dude). But, there is yet one more number to think about, and it's an important one; The chance that MafiaPlayer is scum. What are the chances of THAT?!

Let's find out: There are 12 players in this game. We can assume that 3 of them are Scum. That means that each one of us has a 3/12 or 1/4 or 25% blind chance to be scum as of this moment. So, MafiaPlayer has a 25% chance to be scum. And so does Alvin95. And so do I. And so do you.

So, if we compare the numbers we have so far:

99.08% chance that Post 29 is a lie. 25% chance that the author is scum.


I think the clear choice is to lynch the liar.


Now, before you go off with your fists clenched, screaming for my head and holding up signs that say "ALVIN'S VOTE WASN'T RANDOM" and "ALL YOUR MATH SUCKS YOU GIANT DOUCHBAG," realize that even if Alvin's vote wasn't random, the chances that MafiaPlayer is telling the truth (1/11 or 9.1%) are still far lower than the chances that he is scum (25%)!

Finally, consider the alternative; true, there is a 75% chance that MafiaPlayer is town, but

why would town lie

? We can discard

that

theory without loosing any sleep.

Now, let's go back and take another look at the motivation.

No matter how you feel about the math, the very real truth is that putting someone, anyone, at 3 votes in the middle of page 2 is an eye-catcher.

Why would someone do this?

To avoid attention? That seems unlikely. To push some agenda, or to try for a quicklynch? I think not, since these outcomes rarely follow such a situation as we have here. No...the most likely outcome, known to the experienced player, is the following:

= MafiaPlayer / = Town / = Scum

: I PUT THIS GAY ON L-4, BUT IS RANDOM
: LOL NUB vote:
:twisted:: SCUMMY! vote:
:twisted:: NO IS JUST L-4 WHY WOULD DO THAT?! WOULDN'T DO
: WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIOFMWIUFOMWFIOWasdfasdf!!!oen
: I DUN VOTE RANDOM IN RANDOM STAGE
MY BAD IT WUZ RANDOM THO
(super random dude): I can't believe you guys are voting me for no reason, god.
:twisted:: OMG L2READNUB MAYBE YOU ARE SCUM NOW TOO
: GUYZ WAIT
: I need a replacement
:twisted:: I'm VLA till then, then.
: LIKING MY VOTE
:shock::twisted::shock:: YAAY CAUGHT SCUM!

As you can see from the dramatization; MafiaPlayer ends up out of the spotlight after stirring up a whole S-storm, and may even come out of it looking pro-town.

Too Long, Didn't Read

Whether you read that whole business or not, I thank you. My conclusions are thus;

MafiaPlayer's Post 29 is mathematically and strategically most likely an attempt to mislead and confuse the town. For this, he should swing.

Vote: MafiaPlayer

[Porkens]

I AM ON TO YOU.

I doubt that very much

[Porkens]

I'm waiting for him to answer. That last one didn't seem like a joke, and got ma cackles up. My vote is quasi-real.

I eagerly await his answer as well.

...

f&*% it, I can't wait;

1. Do people really read that much into random votes?
2. unvote, porkens
3. One person randomly voting for a person does not lower the odds for another random vote once it has already happened; that is a fallacy.

1. MS seems either worried or offended that his "random" vote was the subject of my post.

over-defensive

2. MS drops his "random" vote and votes for me

OMGUS

3. First of all, I ~kinda~ already addressed this sort of scenario in my previous post;

Now, before you go off with your fists clenched, screaming for my head and holding up signs that say "ALVIN'S VOTE WASN'T RANDOM" and "ALL YOUR MATH SUCKS YOU GIANT DOUCHBAG," realize that even if Alvin's vote wasn't random, the chances that MafiaPlayer is telling the truth (1/11 or 9.1%) are still far lower than the chances that he is scum (25%)!

3 continued.

However,

if both votes are random, I'm fairly sure that math is correct. Although, I can see where it gets confusing:

Amateur-hour math ahead!!!

What MS said was true; the fact that Dice #1 rolls an 11 doesn't change the odds of Dice #2 rolling anything.

But, the probability that

both

dice would randomly role and 11 is, I believe, 1/11*1/11=1/121 (or a about .8%). So, if both of these votes were actually random, this outcome had less than a 1% chance of happening (or; there's more than a 99% chance that someone is lying).

TL;DR

My vote on MafiaPlayer just became serious because:
1. Overly-Defensive
2. OMGUS
3. Dismissing an argument against him as a fallacy when A: The argument did not hinge on the component in question and B: The component in question ~probably~ isn't, in fact, a fallacy.

[Porkens]

Oops: I don't know where I got 'MS' from. I meant 'MP' in the post above.

[Porkens]

I'm leaving my vote on Porkens. This nonsense isn't helping and it's getting old.

Hahhaa, ok, my bad. I see now that I was muddying the waters with my big posts. Let's get back to the

issues

, guys, and stop all this petty OMGUS. This game has been good, so far, there have been a lot of well-built cases and, man, GOOD scumhunting. Even though the game's just getting started! You know, and I hope this doesn't fall back into the "nonsense" catagory you were refering to, ST, this game has had 56 posts in 6 days (just less than .5 posts per hour)! So I agree with Sun Tzu that it would really be better if we all cut out all the silliness. It just gets in the way of the real game!

[Porkens]

...seriously?

[Porkens]

Absolutely false. It's only page three, and this sort of statement reeks of trying to justify a future quicklynch.

My fondest hope is that it's so quick it travels through time and happens yesterday.

[Porkens]

F**k.

[Porkens]

Porkens, prepare to be annhialated.
Roleclaim:Daykiller
Daykill:Porkens

All joking aside, post 43 still impresses me with it's great number of scum-tells. I'd like to see a genuine response from you addressing why you reacted so badly to an (obviously) joke case.

[Porkens]

Pokens can you tell me what scum tells you are talking about, the only thing I see is a OMGUS vote.

I know it's a pretty long read, but if you'll look at my post history I think you'll pick it up pretty easily.

I'm not sure if we're getting anywhere, but this is fun so far.

Let's say we are getting somewhere, but we have all been forced to wear blindfolds. You manage to peak out from under yours!

Sun Tzu, please tell us; Where are we going?

[Porkens]

Also, I still don't like Porkens' attempts to force the flow of the game and push it quickly out of the random phase.

Liar. You love it.

[Porkens]

Your link doesn't work.

[Porkens]

The response to the made up case + an omgus is plenty for me to be happy with my vote.

QFT

[Porkens]

Why are you guys

waiting

for someone else to "play mafia" for you? Just do it!

[Porkens]

If you don't get the meaning of my post, you're not paying attention.

What I'm saying is, "YOU PEOPLE AREN'T ACTUALLY PLAYING MAFIA, YOU'RE JUST POSTING POST AFTER POST OF NOTHING."

Excuse me, but I have to completely dissagree with you. I'm currently voting someone for perfectly legitimate reasons outlined in a case that I've built against him.

Now, if you wanted to join the game too, you could agree with the case and vote alongside me, disagree with the case and tell us why, or build a case on someone else! You could even ask some questions!

[Porkens]

My "case" on page two

was a joke.

MafiaPlayer's response on page two

was scummy.

My "for-reallies" case

was on page 3.

The "math" isn't part of the case, at any point. The fact that MafiaPlayer dismissed the math as a fallacy is.

[Porkens]

Oh I see, but in you feal case you make refreence to you first case actually meaning something. Like when you address you math of being correct. If it was a joke tthen why use it in a agument?

The math isn't a reason to suspect MafiaPlayer. However, he tried to dismiss the math as a fallacy. But, the math is correct, so whether it was serious or not, calling it a fallacy is wrong. The way he tried to dismiss it as "wrong" was scummy.

[Porkens]

I'm pretty sure porkens is using the reaction to the joke case as a basis for the real case. So the joke case is not used in the arguement, however the reaction to it is.

His reaction is the relevant part to this, as ones reaction can answer many questions.

QFT
(sorry for double-post)

[Porkens]

If I understand right, Porkens is using the numbers in the post not the reaction.

I'm not sure if you are understanding me. The

reaction

(to the numbers) is scummy.

And yes the numbers are not a fallacy, so why did you call them that MafiaPlayer?

I'm fine with this question.

[Porkens]

SKIP TO THE LAST BOLD SECTION IN THIS POST IF YOU'RE SICK OF MATH

1. The Numbers

The numbers are a fallacy because if you roll one die, that doesn't lower the odds of rolling the same number on another die.

I'll try one more time to show you why you are wrong:

The Math:

1. Pretend you and alvin are each a 4-sided dice.

2. The chance that either of you, independantly, will roll a 4 is 1/4.

3. The chance that

both

of you roll a 4 is 1/16: 1 out of 16 possible combinations:
1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1
1 2 2 2 3 2 4 2
1 3 2 3 3 3 4 3
1 4 2 4 3 4

4 4

4. Just change the 1d4 to a 1d11 situation (like we have) and there you go; 121 possible 2-roll combinations, only 1 of those where both of you come up with the same result.

The Fallacy

1. A fallacy is a hinging component of an argument that isn't true, therefore corrupting the entire argument.

2. The origional

joke

case on you was built on the idea that the chance of you randomly choosing any one individual was lower than the chance of you being scum. The case

did not hinge

on the idea that there was a 1/121 chance that you randomly voted for the same person as alvin (this was addressed in the origional joke case and in the real case, on page 3).

3. So, calling the math a fallacy in my case is wrong

twice

because:
A: The argument did not hinge on the specific math in question
and
B: The math isn't wrong.

2. TL;DR

1. You're still wrong, in two different ways, about the math being a "fallacy"
2. Your reaction was overdefensive
3. Your reaction was OMGUS
4. You haven't addressed 2 or 3 at all, instead, you've joked around (which would be fine but it's

still

OMGUS) and repeated the accusation of my case containing a fallacy.

[Porkens]

No in the post you used the numbers to a reaction of MafiaPlayer.

I hope it's clear that there are two things being discussed in my posts:

1. The mathmatical discussion of chance in the game

and

2. The real case on MafiaPlayer

Now, each stage of the game here, I've really questioned myself about whether to continue the argument about the math. I've decided to keep it in because the

dismissal

of the math as

a fallacy

is scummy, so it's important that I show that the math I provided in my joke case is correct.

But, notice, in the real case against MafiaPlayer, I don't list the mathmatical probability that he was lying (or that he's scum).

One last time; The math isn't important. The Reaction to the math is.

[Porkens]

Also it's amazing how many times you had to go through that case Porkens to explain it to everyone.

Well, it

is

an amazing case!

[Porkens]

Show your work.

[Porkens]

Here's an outside reference, too (4 second google search)
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_ ... h_two_dice

[Porkens]

WARNING: ALL MATH AHEAD, NO CASE-RELATED INFORMATION

Part I

This is pretty simple.

There are 11 possibilities. One of them is the same as the other person.

1/11

Well, yes and no. It all depends on which odds you're talking about;

The chances of 1d11 coming up any particular number is 1/11. To translate this into game terms;

The odds that MafiaPlayer's random vote would come up with super random dude were 1/11

.

However,

The chances of 2d11 both coming up 11 is 1/121. Translation:

The odds that both MafiaPlayer's random vote

and

Alvin's random vote would come up with super random dude were 1/121

.

Part II

Question: What are the odds of rolling doubles with two dice?

It depends on how many sides the dice have and if you care

what kind of doubles

they roll.

Looking back at the 1d4 example;

1 1

_

2 1

_

3 1

_

4 1

1 2

_

2 2

_

3 2

_

4 2

1 3

_

2 3

_

3 3

_

4 3

1 4

_

2 4

_

3 4

_

4 4

That's 16 different possible combinations, if it matters what sort of doubles they role. You have a 1/16 chance to roll any specific combination.

If you don't care what kind of doubles you get, then any of the 4 doubles above will please you; and you have a 4/16 or 1/4 chance to "roll any doubles".

If I knew more maths, I would be able to come up with the formula to find the probability of doubles on any X-sided dice, but with a 4-sider; the answer to your question: "what is the probability of rolling doubles with two dice" is (assuming 4-sided dice):

1/16 if you care which double is rolled.

Or 1/4 if you only care about "rolling doubles"

Part III

Are you saying they don't get the same result when they both roll 1, 2, or 3?

Is 2 a different number than 3? They would get identical results, but the identical result would be on a different person.

If we apply

Part II

to the game and just translate into game terms:

The odds that both MafiaPlayer and Alvin would randomly select super random dude, specifically, were 1/121

The odds that both MafiaPlayer and Alvin would randomly select any identical player were 1/11

Part IV

Another question:

1. There are 12 players in a game. The first 11 all vote for different people so no one has more than one vote. When the 12th player votes randomly, what are the odds he doesn't vote someone with a vote already?


2. Last question:

There are 23 people in a room. What are the odds that at least 2 of them have the same birthday?

1. 1/11 (if he wont vote for himself)
(Now, the odds of that scenario happening <if you meant to say that the first 11 people also voted randomly> is something like 1/3trillion.

2. Ohhh what is it...like 50% is what they say?

[Porkens]

It's 1/x.

Whatever the first roll is, the other one has a 1 in x chance of being the same.

You can also think of it as there being x different ways of rolling doubles out of x2 possibilities.

Aha, duuhhhh...I couldn't see the forest for the trees on that one.

You can also think of it as there being x different ways of rolling doubles out of x2 possibilities.

Or 1 way to roll a specific double out of x² possibilities.

I'm not going to comment on the rest since I think we're on the same page.

Good talk.

-or-

Or

ARE

[/u] we?!

As an aside, I wonder if superrandomdude gets more than his fair share of "random" votes in games due to his name.

Someone or other voted him for being "the perfect dude to to randomly vote" IIRC.


So, now that we've fondled each others' math books; what

do

you think of MafiaPlayer?

[Porkens]

What are the odds that I will roll two sixes in a row, though?

[Porkens]

He posted today...

[Porkens]

what

do

you think of MafiaPlayer?

He doesn't seem particularly scummy to me. I think the whole math conversation was pretty pointless.

The daykill thing was funny, but I haven't played with him to know if that is more likely as town or scum.

I agree the argument about math is bordering on "too much" at this point. Although, I'm still proud of that first joke case. Speaking of; what I meant with this question was:

What do you think about his reactions to the joke case?

And if you call my suspicion of Porkens "minimal," you must be high. Alot of Porkens' behavior disturbs me, but I'm willing to accept that he may have been "setting a trap," as it were.

Hmmm, I'm glad you accept some things, but...the joke case wasn't a trap, at all, I never expected or hoped for a reaction like the one MafiaPlayer gave me.

The odds are certainly 1/36 that both roll a 6.
But the odds are 1/6 that it rolls any doubles and thus is noticed.

You're

still

not responding to the actual case. Do you care to?

[Porkens]

I don't think I ever said it was my intent, did I?

[Porkens]

Not that I'm aware of, but the assumption I had made, (and perhaps others, though I cannot speak for them) was that it was.

I see. Would you object if we make the following small change, then?

It's nice that you

admit

clarified that it wasn't your intent, but rather an unintended consequence.

[Porkens]

no one...has posted...for 3 days.

someone make something happen.

[Porkens]

Hail SpyreX.

Vote, plebs.

[Porkens]

Please explain how his post, in your opinion, is modkillable.

[Porkens]

Kuribo, why don't you just ask for a replacement at this point? It's obvious to me you're not really interested in playing any kind of social game.

[Porkens]

Kuribo, why don't you just ask for a replacement at this point? It's obvious to me you're not really interested in playing any kind of social game.

I don't replace out, I replace in.


And it seems at times like I'm the only one interested in actually playing.

My mistake.

I'll eagerly await your next post analyzing the game and "playing" mafia.

[Porkens]

I haven't posted anything lately because I don't have anything to say. I don't see much happening.

The math stuff was pointless and didn't lead anywhere. Now we're arguing about who's playing mafia.

Why are you voting for me?

You said you agreed to the case on Mafiaplayer, and you haven't presented one on me, so explain your vote.

[Porkens]

Unvote Vote: SpyreX

I'm growing tired of your games. This is going no where and you certainly are not helping that.

If I read SpyreX's silly posts right, he's claiming a killing role, and says anyone who doesn't vote for MafiaPlayer is in danger of getting shot. I think that has a mid-to fair chance of getting the game going. Don't you?

[Porkens]

And this isn't a theme game so you being the Emperor is impossible. Thus, Spryex is scum, plain and symple. Lynch all Liars.

bwahahahhahaha

[Porkens]

So, Mafiaplayer was scum.

Who saw that coming?

Real post coming eventually. Happy holidays

[Porkens]

Why are we obvtown?

[Porkens]

I was actually hopping SpyreX would shoot sun tzu last night, myself, for the same reasons. But I guess Spy didn't want to break his word about killing someone not on the MP wagon.

Soooooo...if I read through SpyreX's, what I'm guessing is self-imposed, post-restriction-ish prose:

1. A doctor protected someone last night
2. Someone was hit but didn't die (bulletproof, etc)

If there is a doc, and he/she/it protected SpyreX, I agree they should not come out. But if the doc covered someone else, like me, it might be worth it to out yourself to clear your target.

If someone was hit but didn't die because of a bullet-proof vest or whatnot, it'd be impossible to prove, so you might as well stay quiet.

Anyways;

Vote: Sun Tzu

[Porkens]

Well I don't like how quickly Sun Tzu is gaining votes but his "defense" is horrendous.

Vote: Sun Tzu

WHAT?

[Porkens]

Sun Tzu is at 4th and 13. Dude needs to punt.

[Porkens]

1. Kuribo, I apologize for what I said Day 1 about you 'not wanting to play any kind of social game'. I feel ashamed that I treated you, someone who was willing to replace into a game, like that.

2. I guess I see the angle Sun Tzu is trying to take, but it doesn't fly for me, at all. This whole LAL case against Kuribo because he said he would bet his nut (which is obviously meant figuratively) might be called a fallacy (loooooool).

3. Hammertime IMHO.

[Porkens]

I want to know which of you guys arethe scum and which are the retards.

Happy holidays.

[Porkens]

No, I agree with you that the hypocrisy point is flimsy. And, like I said, I

see

what you are saying about the 'knowing' and the flaw in a town saying that.

Again, though, just like Mafiaplayer, you're not presenting a reasonable defense. 'promise' meta and attacking your accuser for the semantic difference between "strongly suspect" and "know,"

no matter how true you believe them to be

, read as desperate scum, to me.

You just seem to be purposefully inflammatory.

While I'm not on board with calling kuribo or SpyreX obvtown, I'll let that play out as it will, for now they're certainly

protown

.

I also have kind of a Newbie question; Where I come from, Serial Killers

must

kill every night. Is the same true, generally, here?

[Porkens]

Someday, I'll have to read one of your other games and see how they play Mafia on your planet.

[Porkens]

spyrex, porkens, kuribo, sun tzu and myself should stop posting since we're obviously talking right past one another, and we should wait until the other half of the living players in this game rejoin the conversation. how's that sound everybody? feel free to agree by not posting.

why are you trying to stifle conversation? SCUMTELL

[Porkens]

of course.

[Porkens]

so talk.

[Porkens]

Sun Tzu, I just can't believe that that you honestly feel indignant about our reaction to your playstyle. You must know it's, at best, extremely unusual and, at worst, bad.

I actually did go read your other game, and you were hung day one as scum, playing the same way. I'm guessing you're just trying to be consistant.

Honestly; however you want to play is A-OK for me, as long as you knock off the insults and stop the crazy-level multi-posting.

My vote stays on you. I've got good feelings off of Kuribo, Spy, and CF. You, I hope, are scum. And I'll wait for the replacements to judge the rest.

[Porkens]

Also notice that I didn't promise I was town in that game.

Why do you think this is worth town-points?

You don't know shit about my "playstyle".

I'm getting frustrated with you. Why do you say things like this? It's really,

really

unpleasant.

[Porkens]

Why do you think that I think this is worth town-points?

Is that a serious question?

Hang this man; this day is cancer.

[Porkens]

Yes, it was a serious question. Why do you refuse to answer my questions?

hypocrite.

I don't see what your hurry is. That's not pro-town.

Do any of you have any integrity?

I just can't take the multi-posting, insults, and illogical non-arguments. You kick up so much dust with your posts, I'm not even enjoying the game anymore. Once you are dead, and can't post anymore, real discussion can happen.

[Porkens]

How am I a hypocrite?

Also notice that I didn't promise I was town in that game.

Why do you think this is worth town-points?

Why do you think that I think this is worth town-points?

Is that a serious question?

Yes, it was a serious question. Why do you refuse to answer my questions?

Hypocrite.

If you think I'm refusing to answer something, let me know what you want me to answer.

Why do you think this is worth town-points?

[Porkens]

Porkens, I don't think that's (saying "I'm not scum") worth town points.

"I wouldn't promise I was town if I weren't."

THAT IS ILLOGICAL BECAUSE IT HELPS US IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER.

Actually, it proves I'm town unless you assume I would lie about that, which is a faulty assumption.

???

[Porkens]

That's a

really

bogus

question

answer :p

[Porkens]

I didn't avoid it.

"???" has no answer.

I'm happy to answer any question Porkens (or anyone else) wants to ask.

If you're town, though, isn't it in your interest to be more forthcoming with information? I mean, you

have

to know that I want an explanation for the two contradictory posts I quoted. Even though I didn't type out the question directly, shouldn't a town-aligned person answer it?

[Porkens]

k.

Sun Tzu, have you promised us that you are town?

If so, do you think it's reasonable for us to believe you?

[Porkens]

skim skim skim, oh good TAX is here.


skim skim skim, nope still need to lynch Sun Tzu.

[Porkens]

Welp.

Vote: Tax

Self voting in the random voting stage is

still

scummy.

[Porkens]

I think this is lurker hunting?

Wouldn't it be funny if MafiaPlayer got hung for voting his partner?

[Porkens]

Pork, why does the self-vote make TAX any more likely to be scum than someone else?

A self vote puts 0 pressure on anyone. Unless he had a

reason

to vote for himself (like trying to get someone to attack him for it), it's only purposeful explanation can be WIFOM.

[Porkens]

If you look back on the random stage I voted for three diffrent people, the middle one being myself. So the only why you argument works is if the my first and only vote in the random stage was for myself which it wasn't. I don't talk about WIFOM bringing one up cause them its self.

Why does my argument only work if only your first and only vote in the RS is for yourself? It's still a self-vote. You also changed it

after

I attacked/voted you for doing so.

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Neither was mathematics...

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pretty cool, huh?

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rofl

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On the upside, we almost have enough for a voting block :p

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Oh, westbrook be active lurkin?

yup!

unvote, Vote: Westbrook_Owns_U

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mmm, I'm not sure we need to wait.

rofl, any other thoughts on KS?

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unvote, vote killaseven

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is k7 like F11?

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I think he's scum.

unvote, vote: killas even

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...lulz?

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I mean, even without a votecount...You're no where near lynched yet.

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Welcome!

Page 1-10: Mathematics.
Page 11-22: Emo.
Page 22-24: Looking for replacements.

I'd really like to form a voting block with SpyreX, Kuribo, myself, and Roflcopter. We could call ourselves

The Four Horsemen

.

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Don, you could be our d'Artagnan.

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So who do you think is the bigger threat right now, K7 or TAX? (as Rofl pointed out, TAX is awol)

I say we hang them in this order:
Killa Seven
Tax
Westbrook

would i get a uniform? and a hat?

Perhaps, in time.

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clearly your list is different

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If he was so legit, why did he quit?


seriously, though WHAT seemed legit?

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Well, but...he wasn't even at L-2 was he? ffs.

unvote, Vote TAX

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do tell

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@roflcopter:

Your paranoia makes you seem town to me, but what you say doesn't really make sense; Kuribo isn't confirmed at all, and SpyreX is, at best, half-confirmed (to me).

However, from a "scumyness" point of view, I'm fairly confident that You, Kuribo, and SpyreX are all town. Hence the 4H club, in my eyes, is a fantastic plan.

Don I am happy to absorb into the fold...for now.

5 Soldiers of Rome, 3 Savages.

I'm pretty confident that one or more of killa seven, Tax, or Westbrook is a scum, so that's gunna take us to a 3-man endgame with 2 of the 4H and 1 savage.

Of course, we still take it one step at a time, but I really don't see a drawback of slicing the fat off the game.

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Room for one more, Kuribo.

one of us, one of us, one of us

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bahgotown

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I was so happy we caught scum day 1. I'm proud that it was my RVS mega-post that sparked it. The math never really did mean much but, on the other hand, I felt as if I had reached through the internet with mathematics and made him scum.

I'm glad the 4-horsemen worked out. It just figures that our herald was the last scum. It wouldn't have mattered in the long run, I don't think.

Seeing as how 2 mega-lurkers survived, I'm gunna go ahead and say that Don; you should have lurked more (but thanks, sincerely, for not doing so).

See you guys next tecmo!

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The whole random vote thing that MP got caught on was because he was the 2nd to vote SRD, so I figured SRD/Don was town.

Oh wow, I forgot who Don replaced! That's really funny to me that both scum were connected from day 1.


Oh, I forgot to mention earleir; I really thought the whole "I'm playing with you in another game in which I am town and you're playing differently than you are now so you must be scum but omg we can't talk about that other game" was really borderline at best. I don't think you should even engage in these kinds of discussions.

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Ahhh, the "confirmed" business finally makes sense to me. I don't think I would ever have figured that out in-game.

I'm glad you enjoyed the Game, Don