Mini 712 - Capital of the World! - (Game over!)

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hey guys

vote: sun tzu

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soveliss makes no sense as a mafia kill

kuribo is basically obvtown

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oh, now i get it

so spyrex, porkens, kuribo are all obvtown then

and sun tzu did literally nothing yesterday but engage in inane side conversations, aka textbook active lurking, and then hop on the mafiaplayer wagon late when it was clear mp was going down in flames, aka textbook bussing

can we get a lynch going here?

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Why are we obvtown?

mostly based on play yesterday surrounding the mp wagon, and interactions with mp

spyrex's claim also basically clears him

If there is a doc, and he/she/it protected SpyreX, I agree they should not come out. But if the doc covered someone else, like me, it might be worth it to out yourself to clear your target.

i disagree with a doc claiming, if a doc prevented the nk last night they're obviously doing something right and claiming will only get them killed

now if there's a protown roleblocker who prevented the kill last night, its a good time for a claim

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how is stating "i'm obviously town" and "i promise i'm town" proving that you're town?

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i agree with spyrex

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more sun tzu votes please

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hey sun tzu, quitcher bitchin'

and sun tzu did literally nothing yesterday but engage in inane side conversations, aka textbook active lurking, and then hop on the mafiaplayer wagon late when it was clear mp was going down in flames, aka textbook bussing

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So the case against me is that I engaged in inane conversations started by other people?

That's a pretty weak reason to lynch a townie.

nice strawman and appeal to emotion

Hey, roflcopter, I haven't seen your proof that you are town.

nice deflection

remember when you said:

I'll defend myself when I know what the charges are.

well, apparently that was a lie, because i just highlighted the charges against you, which you blatantly ignored the first time around, and instead of even trying to defend yourself when you had to acknowledge them, you stall and deflect.

need more votes here. looking at you perardua, it should be obvious at this point we're not going to get a real response from him, so your excuse to not be voting looks like a lot of contrived bullshit.

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So the case against me is that I engaged in inane conversations started by other people?

That's a pretty weak reason to lynch a townie.

nice strawman and appeal to emotion

That's not a strawman. It's what you said.

yes it is, because you address only what you percieve to be the weakest point of my case instead of the whole thing. you do a shitty job of that, to boot.

It's not an appeal to emotion. Please explain how you can interpert it that way.

"that's a pretty weak reason to lynch a townie."

the prosecution rests.

Hey, roflcopter, I haven't seen your proof that you are town.

nice deflection

If I'm guilty until proven innocent, so is everyone else. I've never played a mafia game were people were expected to prove their innocence, especially on day 2. No one else can prove their innocence either.

what? whaaat? what the fuck do you do on day two then? sit around and play fucking duck duck goose? somebody gets lynched every day.

ote="sun tzu"]I'll defend myself when I know what the charges are.

well, apparently that was a lie, because i just highlighted the charges against you, which you blatantly ignored the first time around, and instead of even trying to defend yourself when you had to acknowledge them, you stall and deflect.

I'm not stalling or deflecting.

I admitted to the math talk. It doesn't make me more likely to be scum.

yes, it does, because you were engaging in the math talk instead of actively scumhunting, ergo you were hiding in plain sight, i.e. active lurking. which is SCUMMY.

The "bussing" argument is circular. Bussing is scum voting for scum. It's stupid to say I'm scum because I voted for scum. A lot of people did.

but you did so without any explanation, right at the end of the wagon, having never even made a comment on mafiaplayer before that.

In fact, if I were scum, I would have voted him a lot sooner.

hey everyone, come have a glass of wine, its right in front of me!

need more votes here. looking at you perardua, it should be obvious at this point we're not going to get a real response from him, so your excuse to not be voting looks like a lot of contrived bullshit.

Your case looks like a lot of contrived bullshit.

actually its your responses that look like a lot of contrived bullshit

Instead of adressing my points or making logical arguments, you are just throwing terminology around. You haven't given any rational reason to think I am scum.

read the wiki

I could say, "it should be obvious at this point I'm not going to get a real response from roflcopter", but I'm not an asshole and I don't claim to be able to predict the future.

i am an asshole, but i'm an asshole who caught scum with his thumb up his ass

By the way, what does the town learn when I get lynched and come up town?

if that happens, we've learned that you don't know the first thing about playing the game of mafia.

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Don't assume everyone involved in MP's lynch is town.

remember when you said this? now you look like a hypocrite.

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spyrex, we should use your kill as a second lynch. you should kill the person most likely to be lynched the following day, to either a) bag a scum or b) save us the mislynch so we can move on to finding more scum

at this point, i think it would be wise to for you to vig: perardua

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha

sorry. wait. wait.

hahahahahahahhaha

ok. i'm just gonna wait for somebody else to come read how ridiculous you are.

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in this thread sun tzu takes his ball and goes home

you are a hypocrite because:

Don't assume everyone involved in MP's lynch is town.

The "bussing" argument is circular. Bussing is scum voting for scum. It's stupid to say I'm scum because I voted for scum. A lot of people did.

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I don't like PerArdua's post about my wagon taking off too fast. That seems like the kind of thing scum might say to keep their hands clean from a mislynch. It's extra scummy to vote for me while saying that.

you know, this is actually a legitimate point, and if you could quit it with your whole martyr complex and the "i'm obviously town so back the fuck off" thing i might actually be able to take you seriously.

but you should probably accept that you're the lynch today. so if you're town, please continue to make contributions such as what i just quoted, and if you're scum, feel free to just keep bitching at us until we kill you.

also, if you've got something other than vanilla to claim, i'd say now is the time to do it.

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jesus.

ok, i'm done arguing with sun tzu, his ego and complete lack of understanding of how the game of mafia works is just getting ridiculous. i'll be back when he's been lynched.

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ugh, i just can't help myself

However, even disregarding that, I'm not better than a random lynch. The reasons people have given for thinking I am scum are just plain bad and there's no way around that.

thats just plain wrong and there's no way around that

Lynching a good scumhunter doesn't help the town.

lol. a good scumhunter, huh? aside from one insightful comment about perardua (which you didn't even follow up on) i haven't actually seen you scumhunt. thats the biggest issue with you, and why i started voting you in the first place. your vote for kuribo is utterly ridiculous. your reasoning is, and i quote, "You are saying you are certain I am scum when you have no reason to think so." four people seem to have reason to think so, including the two you've labeled the most pro town. you must be doing something horribly, horribly wrong for that to happen, so voting kuribo for saying he thinks you're scum is just plain

stupid

. saying you think two people who are voting you for the exact same reasons as kuribo are obvtown and then voting kuribo for voting you is infantile. you are proving conclusively that you are not a good scumhunter.

Calling my vote OMGUS doesn't make it true

you obviously don't have a clear conception of what an OMGUS vote is. i have never, ever seen a vote that is more clearly OMGUS than your vote right now.

now, sun tzu, i have a very important question for you, in light of how hard you're arguing that you are no more likely than random to be scum. what made TAX more likely than random to be scum? you must have believed so, given the fact that you voted for him.

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i have a brilliant idea, i think it will save a lot of headache for a lot of people

spyrex, porkens, kuribo, sun tzu and myself should stop posting since we're obviously talking right past one another, and we should wait until the other half of the living players in this game rejoin the conversation. how's that sound everybody? feel free to agree by not posting.

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spyrex, porkens, kuribo, sun tzu and myself should stop posting since we're obviously talking right past one another, and we should wait until the other half of the living players in this game rejoin the conversation. how's that sound everybody? feel free to agree by not posting.

why are you trying to stifle conversation? SCUMTELL

you're being facetious, right?

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i'm suddenly feeling very, very uncomfortable with lynching sun tzu. i need to think.

unvote

mod,

can we get some prods going?

cf riot, i think perardua is a good vig target because of her whole vote-unvote thing on sun tzu. st himself made a very cogent point about how she could be distancing herself from a mislynch with that, and i also see it as a possible attempt at distancing from a scumpartner. however, i'm now thinking more and more its the former.

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spyrex, you need to kill tonight

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sun, you have ignored every rational argument

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well, with spy's big reveal as only a one shot vig (a claim i believe by the way, and it was p sweet how he was trying to take a nightkill for the team by not fullclaiming), then my idea that sun should be vigged instead of lynched today seems not to be viable.

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cf, sorry i missed that the first time

i think that scum can´t help but make themselves obvious. yes its more likely than not voting at all, and yes i find perardua scummier than those other two.

we need to get this game moving again

vote: sun tzu[/vote]

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well that was dumb

vote: sun tzu

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need more active players

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I can get behind a TAX wagon.

Vote: TAX

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i love how active tax is once he finds himself in the hot seat

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you´re not on my list of people who aren´t scum, and porkens voted for you.

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why is it that the only people who ever post in this thread are the person getting attacked, porkens, spyrex, kuribo and myself?

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well i'd be up for a wagon on anyone not named spyrex, kuribo or porkens

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yeah that is sort of an issue. which is why these inactives need to play the game more. whichever of them are town are making it too easy for scum to lurk.

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no, slay the real active lurker

unvote, vote: killa seven

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im not active lurking i just dont see anything worth commenting on.

welcome to the textbook definition of active lurking

the other two inactives are getting replaced because they flaked altogether. killa is here and willing to participate in the broadest sense of the word, and has even apparently been reading along, but he doesn't see anything "worth commenting on"?

so basically, he's content to sit back and let us do our thing, as we did yesterday lynching sun tzu and as we were on our way to today with attacks on tax, but he hasn't got a comment one way or another, whether he agrees with the attacks, disagrees, finds anything particularly scummy, townie, or even wants to vote for anyone.

dear killasevenscum, please die posthaste, thank you

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tax, be a pal and remain active enough to at least vote for killa seven

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not a policy lynch

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i call this lynch k7 because he is most likely to be scum based on current information

and i've seen games where k7 has been loads more helpful and involved, so this is not "standard k7" by any means

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k7 is short for killa seven, that super scummy lurker we're lynching

kuribo, what would you rather do with killa at this point? he's clearly a better lynch than the two pending replacements

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Rofl i dont think i have ever been scum in a game with you, i have seen you scum tho. and im pretty damn sure you were lurker hunting then also.

what a beautiful sidelong omgus. killa seven, are you ever suspicious of anyone who isn't voting for you?

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killa seven, give me detailed (and i mean detailed) opinions on everyone in this game and why they could or could not be scum, and why, and i might consider not lynching you.

until then, grow a pair and quit bitching about the lurkerhunts you make necessary

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dudes. seriously.

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sorry emperor dude, but seriously.

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if tax doesn't post in the next 24 hours he's getting lynched. bastard bitched about getting wagoned and then goes inactive again as soon as it disappears? i don't think so.

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unvote, vote: tax

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porkens, vote for tax

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i've got this unpleasant feeling in my gut about something in this game.

on the other hand that could just as easily be the prodigious number of shots of captain morgan i took tonight.

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oh no the deathmiller thing isn't the problem

its just that only spyrex and kuribo are really confirmed confirmed.

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well i'm shocked at that kill

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i'm just surprised because porkens was working hard to keep tax off the top of our lynch list. thats why i was suddenly uneasy with the voting block.

one scum left means kuribo is now officially confirmed town, done deal.

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vote: don_johnson

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don johnson / super random dude is much more likely to be scum in my opinion. read the little that srd contributed - he defended mafiaplayer, then waffled on the idea of hammering him.

then dj votes rice with an appeal to authority so the blame isn't on him in the likely event of a mislynch.

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what authority? i was referring to porkens theory yesterday.

which comes from someone who is now confirmed pro-town, and is what you're pinning your vote to. thus, appeal to authority.

also, my post was asking you how you "confirmed" kuribo. sorry, but i didn't see that in my read of this thread so i was hoping you would clarify. which you haven't.

it isn't explicitly explained in the thread, and it won't be. but add rolefishing to your list of crimes.

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fos: spyrex

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well, kuribo could only have been scum if you were also scum. since we bagged a second scum yesterday, that means you can't be scum together, therefore kuribo is cleared. you could still be scum who fakeclaimed one shot vig and took credit for the only nightkill night one. i don't think this scenario is particularly

likely

, but its possible, and your flippant attitude about 'either one of these two is scum or we [the town] lose' made me really uncomfortable.

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thats a very interesting response

i'm going to wait for kuribo to become involved in this discussion before going any further

i'd also like killa seven to chime in

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i think k7 is town

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yeah ok we're lynching don today

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@ Rofl: does K7 have access to this "info"?

don't be ridiculous. and stop rolefishing.

i've never said spyrex is confirmed, just kuribo. all the relevant information about spyrex is in the thread. he claimed one-shot vig and says he was responsible for the only kill that night.

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eh, i'm with spyrex, talking about this being lylo is unnecessary fearmongering

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don, your words will be taken under advisement if you don't flip scum. i would like this day to end.

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now you guys see how i could confirm kuribo, and why rolefishing is scummy

when there were two scum alive it was still theoretically possible for kuribo and spyrex to be scum together, but once we nailed tax i knew kuribo had to be town because either a) spyrex was telling the truth and therefore i had doc protected kuribo or b) spyrex was lying and therefore he was the scum and not kuribo