Look under his name, Mafia Scum. I didn't know this game was so easy.
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Why pick Xdaamno over alvinz who also voted BSG after lynx?Artifex wrote:Hi!
vote Xdaamnofor already piling on BSG. Plus, I like penguins.
Now that I've got my obligatory pointless scumhunting questioning out of the way...
Xdaamo has it right.Lunar_Tick wrote:
Are you actually defeating your own argument with a counterclaim of "but it's under Panzer's name"? Surely one oughtn't use ones fos so lightly, neh?charter wrote:Fos Artem. I think you could actually be scum. Bringing a RVS wagon to three votes is scummy? That's some imagination. I'd vote for you but Panzer has already been caught.
You said that putting someone at three votes makes them an easy target. You then voted for the person (Artifax) that put someone at three votes. You were implying there was something scummy about what Artifax did (by accusing her of voting for an easy target, something scum would do but not town) and then voted her using that justification. I'd have passed it off as nothing, but you clarified, implying that your vote was not a joke. Putting someone at three votes is not scummy. Doing what you did was.Artem wrote:charter wrote:Fos Artem. I think you could actually be scum. Bringing a RVS wagon to three votes is scummy? That's some imagination. I'd vote for you but Panzer has already been caught.
I'm not the one voting for Xdaamno. What makes you think I'm calling 3 votes/L-4 scummy?Xdaamno wrote: If you're going to claim a correlation between putting players at L-4 in the random voting stage and chance of being scum, I'll need to hear some justification.
No... You had it right.Xdaamno wrote:My mistake. I always assume there's something fishy about cats.
You can tell who has a significantly higher chance of being scum by RVS pitiful wagons? Unlikely.Danchaofan wrote:artem didn't call bringing 3 votes at rvs scummy, that was artifex >.<
such confusing names
I think they are all poking "easy targets". I think arti would have significantly higher chance of being scum because xdam is significantly "easier" than arti is, but I think its somewhat mitigated by 27...
I see what you're up do. I disagree about putting someone at L-2 being scummy. I also note how you wait to put BSG at L-3 and then say that putting someone at L-2 being scummy.Panzerjager wrote:Wow, Charter caught me, lol.
Anyway..putting someone at 3 is not scummy. Putting someone at 5 would be a little scummy. On that note,Unvote, Vote:BSG
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I don't see how what I did is WIFOM at all. I call it scumhunting.Artem wrote:Why would town want to balance on the fine edge of WIFOM?FoS: charter
I put BSG at L-2, note Artem. Just clarifying.Lynx The Antithesis wrote:I'm not a huge fan of the Artem L-2 vote from charter, but I do find it interesting that Artem didn't vote. There's no reason not to vote. I think Artem is being careful not to draw the same attention he received from his first vote.
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I don't see hypocricy if you had voted. Also, why would you Fos someone when there are TOWN reasons for their actions? That makes no sense.Artem wrote:
You answered the bolded part yourself.BSG wrote:Unvote Vote Artem
From the looks of it, your RVS vote was the only with a serious side attached to it. The only other player who could have a serious reason attached to it, would have been Xdaamno, but I'm not sure about that yet. So I don't see why you would unvote and not vote another player.
You also accused Artifex for going after an easy target as she voted Xdaamno, who had put me at L-4. However, you FoSed the player who put me at L-2. Aren't you doing the same as of which you accused Artifex?
And I don't see the WIFOM. I can see two reasons why Charter put me at L-2. But I'll let Charter respond to this first.
Just like Dfan, I'm wondering why you didn't vote.
Because if I voted, I would be doing exactly what I voted Artifex for, making me a hypocrite.
charter deserves a FoS, because of the WIFOM. There is, however, a reason for a townie to do what he did. So, yes, let's have charter respond to it first.Artem wrote:What Idofind interesting is that you're so concerned with whether I voted or FoSed somebody, while completely disregarding my given reasons. You said that you don't see the WIFOM. It was pointed out to you. Yet you seem adamant about your opinion of charter putting you at L-2.
I can FoS charter. I can also vote for him. It doesn't make much difference right now as there is no bandwagon on him. I'm not pouncing on an easy target. I'm giving him a slap on the wrist, because townies (assuming he is one) shouldn't play with WIFOM as it distracts and confuses the town.
The fact that you're pouncing on me, while disregarding my arguments against charter tells me that you're really not so worried about the bandwagon on yourself. Why would that be? (One scenario may be that charter (or somebody else on your wagon for that matter) is/are (one of) your buddy(-ies), so you know that they may unvote you at any point to prevent a lynch of you.)Unvote, Vote ArtemWhy are you assuming I am town on page 2? Even moreso because you find me suspicious. Why would BSG be worried about the wagon on herself? Did even one person give a serious reason for voting her?
Disagree. Putting someone at L-2 when most votes are not serious is not time to claim, nor do I see how it is scummy. What advantage would I gain as scum doing that I wouldn't gain as town? Why did I do it? I wanted to see how BSG reacted. I wanted to see if anyone would unvote. I wanted to see if anyone defended BSG. I do apologize for leaving you guys hanging right after I said it, but I was in Florida with no access.@Charter, Why the WIFOM? It's scummy to put someone at L-2(which is claim zone) for no reason, so why did you do knowing that it would be WIFOM. You're an experianced player, you should know better.Unvote, FoS:Charter
Going after easy targets is scum tactics. Town goes after scum, not whoever they can lynch easiest. For me, it depends on how someone claims mafia (though it doesn't occur frequently enough to worry about) before I decide whether to vote them, but many players have policies of voting anyone claiming mafia.dan wrote:Maybe I have a slightly more fundamental issue. What's wrong with going after easy targets? i.e. if someone outright states they are mafia, are they an easy target? Should you vote for them? (assuming nothing crazy like suicide roles.)
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If we're calling 'charter put BSG at L-2 after Panzer said putting someone at L-2 is scummy' WIFOM, then I did it because A) I don't think it's WIFOM or scummy, so this whole thing never even entered my head and B) because I saw a great opportunity to uncover links between BSG and anyone and how BSG would react and C) it was coincidental, that was my last post before I was leaving for a while. I fail to see how me doing it right after you said it would be scummy is any more WIFOMy than if I did it a while later either. Since I don't see this, I saw you basically arguing that whoever puts someone at L-2 is suspicious, which is ridiculous.Panzerjager wrote:Way to dodge my question charter. Why did you intentionally lead the game into WIFOM teritory? You purposely put a L-2 vote for virtually no reason after I had said it would be scummy to do so, without explaining yourself. Pressure was already there so if you are town or scum you'd already gained that. The extra advantage you get as scum would be dragging the game into WIFOM territory confusing players and taking discussion off a buddy(I believe discussion on Artem had just start) and on something that we couldn't lynch you for exclusively.
How do you explain Artem being my top suspect currently?Panzer wrote:I believe you voted to intentionally to pull discussion away from Artem.
Unfortunately, it isn't OMGUS. You're still going on about L-2 being claiming time, when page two is NOT claiming time, even if you're at L-1. Claiming when not under real pressure is scummy too, so if BSG had claimed we'd have even MORE to work with. Plus, I find your putting someone at L-3 then saying whoever puts them at L-2 is horribly scummy. It A) stops pressure on the person getting wagoned and B) gives you a new person to call scum when someone puts them at L-2. I found your original statement to be quite scummy.Panzer wrote:And I appreciate the OMGUS suspicion you throw at me at the end of your post.
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112- Don't like it. Especially don't like the Lowell vote at the end.
116- The coincidence is that my post was right after Panzers. Also, Since I believe the idea of putting someone at L-2 to be scummy is ridiculous (per reasons I stated in 109) I didn't see that what I did would be confusing to people.
118- Hey Darox. Good case against Lynx, any thoughts on Artem? Neutral on claim, no need to act on it today.
119-SCUM: Master Ruck. His reason for putting Artem at L-1 is terrible when prefaced at the beginning on the post with "I'm tempted to agree with the Artem lynching as well". This is contradictory and it seems like you're out to get in an easy lynch.
120- SCUM, explain Xdaamo
122- He sure did know, he said so in his post
125- I still dont think it's WIFOM, I think it was turned into WIFOM by players, but I'm dropping this. Also, that post of mine after the site crash, I made one similar in all my games, I didn't have time or energy to read them all, so I just posted so I wouldn't get replaced. I didn't actually read anything in this thread.
126- FOS. I'll let Darox respond first.
129- Why did you say it would be a good lynch when you voted then? Not buying this.
130- Your answer should have been yes.
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I've been in a mini normal with one before, she claimed after she replaced in day one too. Let me just say we had some WIERD roles in that game too...Danchaofan wrote:And AFTER that, can anyone who has ever considered using such a role or seen such a role know if the event action would be given in the role pm of a mini-normal, or could give a rough idea of how likely such a role is to appear in a mini-normal.
This isn't true.Artem wrote: Let's face it. I'm the scummiest player because I am the most active/vocal. The sad truth of a forum-based mafia game is that the player that provides the most content will always be picked apart the most. The down side is that it the "active=scummy" phenomenon only encourages lurking scum.
Xdaamo, why did you say Artem would be a good lynch, then you were "saved" when her lynch didn't actually occur? Why the backpedal? And why did you say you reread when you voted, and then in your next post say you need to reread? And how did you miss it being L-1 with a votecount at the top of the page?
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Are you answering my question for Xdaamo?Master Ruck wrote:The answer to him being "saved" is very clearly seen if you actually finished reading thesame sentencethat it turns up in.
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I don't know about that, but I'm certainly having a tough time following it.Artem wrote:This argument against Lynx seems overly convoluted.
Mini 611, link in my wiki.BSG wrote:Charter, you also mentioned a game with a PGO in it. Could you give a link to that game?
192-Vote XdaamoThe answers to my questions you gave here were a direct contradiction to the post where you voted me. None of those answers were obvious, as can been seen by the confusion of people. Plus, the attempted quickhammer, plus the lack of commenting on a lot of everything, plus only posting when he's being attacked, sounds like he's more interested in defending himself than catching scum.-
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Alternatively, people (at least myself) are more suspicious of Xdaamo.Artem wrote:I love all these stoaways fleeing my bandwagon, now that I've claimed and asked everybody to state their reasons. Their reason for fleeing: "Artem has defended himself sufficiently". Really?
I disagree (but I don't want to actually argue about this in thread). I think that the correct play is to not claim and make the scum NK you by good scumhunting.tubby wrote:darox- claimed pgo, wich was his first real post of the game, if he is a PGO then he has played it correctly. I believe a PGO should claim immediately after confirming to avoid any pro town role getting nk’d accidentily,
I think they're poor and indicative of scum. The fact that his wagon didn't balloon after an attempted speedhammer also makes me question why more people aren't voting him.BSG wrote:Those who are voting Xdaamno, why and what do you think of his explanations?
That was a strong FOS at you. If I was actually convinced you were scum from that I would have voted you and made a case.Ruck wrote:Though, I will ask Charter a question that was asked to me. If you called me scum as you did (in caps, bold letters I might add) then why no vote or FoS of any kind? Surely suspicion warrants one of those two, or was it simply a pressure move to see what i might say in response?
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@Everyone voting for someone with just one vote, why? And if the answer is "I think they're scum" or "They need pressure" then why are you not making a case or pressuring? I don't remember any of the reasons you all are voting alone for someone, so I get the impression you're just trying to not call attention to yourself and aren't actually scumhunting.-
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Not bull.Xdaamno wrote:
Bull. Can you show me a point you (or anyone else) have made that I have failed to show does not make me scum?charter wrote:I think they're poor and indicative of scum. The fact that his wagon didn't balloon after an attempted speedhammer also makes me question why more people aren't voting him.
I ask you legitamate questions, and you blow them off and OMGUS vote me. It's not even OMGUS, it's just a TERRIBLE vote you throw down. NONE of the answers there were remotely obvious. What is obvious is that your overreacting and refusal to answer is incredibly scummy of you. When you finally did give answers, they were bad.Xdaamno wrote:
That's unusual. Interrogating, when the answers to all of those questions should be obvious to anyone who's done a moment's thought. This is a real, general "trying to look helpful" scum vibe.charter wrote:Xdaamo, why did you say Artem would be a good lynch, then you were "saved" when her lynch didn't actually occur? Why the backpedal? And why did you say you reread when you voted, and then in your next post say you need to reread? And how did you miss it being L-1 with a votecount at the top of the page?
Unvote, Vote: charter
You've never explained why you hammered and wanted an Artem lynch, then flipped around once Artem claimed.
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Adding reasosn for your vote after it's way too late, in an attempt to make it seem like you didn't mean the lynch. In your hammer post, you clearly did want the lynch then. The story changing and flip flopping is scummy.Xdaamno wrote:
Uh, I don't think so, especially because my Artem vote was also for pressure.BSG wrote:As already mentioned, there was a VC on top of the page where you 'voted' Artem. Strange that you didn't pay much attention towards the VC when you wanted to apply pressure, not?
Scummy as well.Xdaamo wrote:I admit many of my posts have been speculation. Distancing myself from 'the main scum hunt' is something I do actively.
You try and change your reasons some more again later. None of the excuses fly because you said you wanted an Artem lynch. Not Artem pressure, not because you were suspicious of Artem.
238- That's a really weak case. It revolves around the fact that you think the PGO is a scum roll. Policy lynching Darox day one is a really terrible idea. I'm unsure of Darox's alignment. Just cause he claimed PGO doesn't mean he has a get out of jail free pass. I've never said I thought him town.-
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This is a VERY weak vote. Add in the 'I want to please the town' clause and it becomes extremely scummy. This is actually making me question whether my vote needs to be on Xdaamo or you.Master Ruck wrote:I figured I'd take the time to look at Xd's posts to see if this wagon is unfounded or not. After doing so, I don't have any reason to disagree with it. There was a large week-long gap between posts, the first after the gap saying he'll post more and the post after being the would-be lynch. Arguments have been made against him and he has either barely defended, poorly defended or not bothered to defend against by saying he has lost interest.
I'm gonnaVote: Xdaamnoand make itverythat this puts Xd at L-1, so nobody else vote him yet. I'll unvote if people want to feel more safe and discuss more, but as far as I can see with his lack of scum hunting and the potential hammer, discussion is essentially over and unless anyone disagrees Xda should claim.
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Xdaamo, I did read all your posts. When I asked you a bunch of questions, all you did was get worked up, say I'm just asking questions for the hell of it, and say the answers are obvious. Clearly they weren't and you had not answered them already (else I wouldn't have asked them).
I don't even understand your other request. Are you telling me to show where you haven't responded to points against you? If so, then your answers weren't satisfactory, evidenced no votes are moving off of you.
I don't believe that your vote was for pressure when in the post you cast ityou specifically stated you were fine with an Artem LYNCH. You can keep telling me it is, but all I see is story changing. The story changing combined with an attempted quickhammer you didn't agree with is scummy enough for me to want to lynch you.-
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No. You said you wanted an Artem lynch when you cast the vote. Now you're saying you voted for pressure. You're changing your story.Xdaamo wrote:Just to make things clear, charter, you are implying I tried to make it look like an accidental lynch?
What makes you scum more likely is that I don't see town changing their story (and having a really weak one to begin with). Why would you try and cover up your original reason for voting? I see it much more likely that scum would do that.Xdaamo wrote:As I said above, your logic is circular. If I was scum I would be doing as you said (which is an implausable scenario, but I'll be generous and say it's neutral) and if I was town I'd be doing what I had said. What makes one scenario more likely than the other? It's certainly not because you have a kink for stating fallacy as fact.
Same as above.Xdaamo wrote:Here, I asked "what makes one scenario more like than the other"? This was rhetorical, but if your argument is not completely invalid you must have an answer for this, or you must point out the question is flawed.
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No, that was my reasoning.charter wrote:Is the reason for voting panzer because he is a possible lynch besides yourself? If it's different please tell.Artem wrote:
Yes, I would actually.charter wrote:Would anyone else run up Panzer before deadline with me? I believe he has a way higher chance of being scum.Unvote; Vote: Panzerunvote vote Panzer
Welcome to the thing I find most suspicious about him now. Ever since his vote on Xdaamo, he's said nothing about Xdaamo. He's just sitting tight on the wagon. Now it's almost deadline and he's still lurking (though he did say he was away) but it doesn't excuse him clinging to his Artem+charter scumbuddies but voting Xdaamo terrible logic. He gets called out on it and all of a sudden just drops it.Artem wrote:As a side note, Panzer has been lurking lately, likely waiting for the Xd thing to blow over.
Good lord. I filtered just his posts. He agree's with Darox on lynx, he thinks me and Artem are scum, he's voting Xdaamo, FOS's Darox based solely on his claim. Basically anyone that has come under any scrutiny at all he is suspicious of, yet he doesn't actually do anything but latch on. He's changed his opinion on me from scum to not scum back to scum for not really any reason. Basically he's just going with the flow.-
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With pleasure.Panzerjager wrote:Charter, define how I'm scummy.
First, you putting BSG at L-3 then declaring whoever puts her at L-2 would be scummy. For I can't count how many reasons, this is not true. What's even worse, is how you actually voice suspicion of me after I do it. I don't really find anything wrong with your vote for BSG however, as far as I can tell it's just a pressure vote.
You then vote me because "the game needs to move". You later come up with some ridiculous theory that I voted BSG to pull attention off Artem WHEN ARTEM HAD ONE VOTE ON HER. Also, you can look at my posts, I clearly was suspicious of Artem myself.
I respond, and I've "defended myself sufficiently" in your eyes. You even agree with MY REASONING ALONE that Artem is suspicious. However, you come right back a few posts later with "let's lynch [charter's] scumbuddy, Artem"
You never pursue Artem, you just lay your vote down and move on to Fos'ing Darox when he claims.
Then agrees with Darox on Lynx. Never pursues this.
Then you vote Xdaamo after the Artem wagon disbands and just as his is starting up. Still goes on about the charter+Artem scumbuddy theory. As far as I can tell this is still clinging to the 'charter pulled the pressure of one vote off Artem' nonsense.
You really don't push Xdaamo either. You just sit tight on this wagon too.
I'm not going to try and start up a new wagon right before deadline if it won't be supported. Obviously Xdaamo's vote didn't mean much because he's the one we'd be lynching if nothing changed (and saying it's a self preservation vote was the only acceptable answer to my question, good work Xdaamo). It didn't matter that it was Artem, it just needed to be someone other than Xdaamo.Panzer wrote:Note:Artem jumped right on when charter suggested lynching me, Also Charter didn't have the balls to vote me without approval from Artem
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Well, I'd been debating in my head for a while. I just didn't think I had any case against Panzer, it was mostly feelings. At the time I asked, I hadn't actually gone through Panzer's posts again, I was just basing that off my gut so before I undertook the task of trying to convince several others I wanted to see if there would be any support at all.
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What? That was obviously directed at Lowell.Xdaamno wrote:
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My thoughts exactly.Artem wrote:
I would also like to remind folks that Panzer casually dismissed my earlier arguments against Lowell. If Panzer flips scum, I think Lowell has a good chance of being a scum-buddy.Charter wrote: How can you have no opinion on Panzer?
@Lynx and tubby, what are your opinions on Panzer? I'd say both of you look suspicious for your posts there. If anything, you should be suspicious of me for clearly trying to get someone else besides Xdaamo lynched right before deadline. You continue to view his actions as scummy, but it doesn't make sense that you're not getting worked up over my recent actions. If you actually think Xdaamo is scum, then you surely must think I am as well because I'm clearly trying to lynch someone besides him today.
Also, Lynx, I feel like a bunch of the reasons you give in 336 apply to Panzer as well (along with other reasons).-
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Panzer really didn't respond to my points. He still thinks I was trying to take suspicion off Artem. This makes no sense and there was really not that much suspicion on Artem to begin with. His explaination about there being a lot of newbies in this game is flawed. It's not a NG, it's a mini. If someone makes a newbie mistake, "I didn't know better, I'm a newbie" doesn't fly.
He says he was suspicious of all the people he's voted/FoS'ed but didn't explain why he hasn't been doing anything other than voting and leaving it there. I can see that he was suspicious of them, and he basically reiterated his original suspicions in that post. He didn't explain the suspicious part, about why he finds everyone that has come under scrutiny suspicious but just votes for them and leaves it at that.
The worst thing is how he agreed with only my reasoning for voting Artem, but still thinks we're scumbuddies. How on earth does this work? Also his quickness to accept me and Artem's explainations for stuff (even if they were non existant) and then still say we're scumbuddies.
I'm not asking for a claim because you're right. I don't want to be seen as a rolefisher. I think it's fairly obvious he's not a power role or else he would have mentioned it though.-
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Can I give you a cut and dry reason? No. It's mostly how the different wagons formed. I feel like Xdaamo's wagon is scum driven and Panzer's is town driven.Artifex wrote:@Charter- You're pretty excited about Panzer, too. An honest question- why is this time different from when you were excited about Xda (how can I know you arent being 'carried away' again?
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Well, I can't really give you any reason. I see why you're suspicious of me, I probably deserve it, but I really want Panzer lynched over Xdaamo. Xdaamo can theoretically be town, while I can't see Panzer being town at all. Xdaamo is still a good lynch because it gives lots of info, but I really don't see him flipping scum.Lynx The Antithesis wrote:
This to me reeks of scum trying to renounce the wagon he was part of creating. Sounds very scummy to take back all your suspicion of Xdaamno just as he's on the brink of being lynched right before deadline. First you move to Panzer, then later completely remove all suspicion you have of Xdaamno. Trying to wipe your hands perfectly clean of his lynch?charter wrote:I think it's Panzer and dan. I don't think Xdaamo is scum anymore. I got all excited about his mishammer and got carried away.
I add dan to my list because of his earlier ties to Panzer and his most recent post, saying he finds Xdaamo more town and Panzer more scum but doesn't change his vote.
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Xdaamo, you're trying to say that we are scumbuddies together. For numerous reasons this isn't true (for example, I'm not scum)
It will be obvious why I said that tomorrow.Xdaamno wrote:Oh, and this is the scummiest sentence said in my entire mafia career:
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There were two possibilities. First one. If I had died last night, you would have been speedlynched. Second one. I lived through last night, you are confirmed town.Artem wrote:Ditto. As far I know I'm not 100% confirmed.
Not obvious to me.charter wrote:Xdaamo, you're trying to say that we are scumbuddies together. For numerous reasons this isn't true (for example, I'm not scum)
It will be obvious why I said that tomorrow.Xdaamno wrote:Oh, and this is the scummiest sentence said in my entire mafia career:
charter wrote:Assuming Xdaamo isn't scum, like I said, I'd bet money Artem is town.
I think I can actually claim, since if I go about investigating townies, I can't be killed at night. I'm aHider. Last night I hid behind Artem, therefore Artem is town. That's why I said I'd bet my life Artem was town, because I was literally betting my life. (I was reasonably sure no one would kill her because she was pretty scummy)
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FALSE. There was a votecount where Xdaamo only had one more vote than Panzer. I also changed my mind with PLENTY of time before deadline to actually change the lynch. Your whole reasoning for voting me is entirely untrue.Lynx The Antithesis wrote:Again with the simulpost. Anyhow, it's not the fact that you changed your mind about Xdaamno.Thats fine. It's the timing of it. You changed your stance pretty close to the deadline. Which makes me believe that you were trying cut all ties to the Xdaamno wagon just as he was about to be lynched. It was pretty cemented already that he was gonna be lynched and you'd know he would flip town.
I claimed now because everyone was asking me to explain my breadcrumbs from the end of yesterday. Plus, as long as I hid behind townies (and they aren't killed) I can't be killed at night, so me and the scum get to play outguess. The reason why I'm not waiting is I fully plan on continuing using my ability so there's a good chance I die sooner, rather than later.Lynx wrote:As for the claim goes like I said I could buy into it. Like I said earlier I already believe Artem to be town. Hider is just another role I've never seen in Mafia. It's certainly believable. Curious why you'd claim now though? To clear Artem? Wouldn't it have been more beneficial to unveil this if he was about to be lynched or after day 2 with another townie?
Such a scummy post.Master Ruck wrote:
Unless I wanted to be the hammer on Xda, my vote wouldn't have made a difference close to deadline. I didn't want to hammer either as I felt Xda could still contribute more so, even though I was wrong, I didn't hammer thus giving Xda all the tim until deadline to add anything else should he feel like it. Basically, I was giving him a chance to say more.Lynx The Antithesis wrote: Master Ruck why no vote at a deadline? Not trying to get too much attention perhaps?
I didn't die, so Artem is town. If I hid behind scum I die.MR wrote:@ Charter, question. Why do you believe you hiding behind Artem confirms him to be town? I looked up the Hider and what I understand of your reasoning is that because Artem didn't die last night, he is now town. All that tells me is that last night Artem didn't die. Hadyoudied last night along with afatchic then I would believe Artem is scum seeing as what the hidersometimesentails is that the hider automatically dies if he hides behind scum. Right now, I'm still not seeing any confirmed anythings.
Sorry, got you guys mixed up.Artem wrote:(@Charter: minor point but I am a male. Artifex is female.)-
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