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Was gonna catch up, but today feels like a lazy day so ig not-
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It was labelled as a complex gameIn post 41, The Bulge wrote: although the fact we're informed of the mafia cop makes me think it's either a red herring or there's some other more complex role interaction-
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It doesn't really matter at this point in the gameIn post 60, Flavor Leaf wrote: Mafia could have a Traitor this game to warrant the Cop. I can’t really think of any other reason the Cop knowledge would be there.-
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This reads incredibly awkwardIn post 101, marcistar wrote: Highkey dont like the speed of gammas wagon
BUT also i think gammas scum so likeee
Anyways hu tao looks the worst on gamma wagon #imsogood-
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Yeah, I am the real Miller fr frIn post 109, Flavor Leaf wrote: the answer to that question was simple:
i'm not a miller here, which is clear from the beginning, even if you have to say only in hindsight, which is fine. it's early game, it was a great source to get people to react on it from.
answering that question then, which I did later just not directly to you, would have just ended it there.-
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I'm actually a Informed Macho Cop-Enabler Miller and I'm informed that the Mafia know that my role exists.-
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I've gotten the same pings from Marci but I think it's isolated from Gamma, I don't see a pairing per seIn post 121, Flavor Leaf wrote: ah damn, are Marci and Gamma scum together? Could just be Marci white knight.
gonna avoid that thought for now because it's just paranoia, but i got big pings from that marci. looks like a performance, but i can see them posting like that as town.
And im kinda okay letting others solve for Marci.-
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Also it's weak pings, just feels awkward as I said earlier-
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I gave you a smooch and you have the balls to not conf-town me????In post 134, Flavor Leaf wrote:Hu Tao
jjh027
Geraintm
Unabombah (free seat for them here for now)
Roden
Gamma Emerald
The Bulge
Nono
JacksonVirgo
Neutral but slight under the nulls^
Doctor Drew
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Wow congrats, it's like the game just started or somethingIn post 142, marcistar wrote: honestly bulge and jacksonvirgo are both people who i dont even remember what they've said-
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Yeah I agreeIn post 153, Flavor Leaf wrote: Yeah, it’s Drew and Jackson-
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This feels fakeIn post 196, UnaBombaH wrote: Flavor Leaf (1) - I'd honestly consider giving up one of my three Genie-wishes for having the ability to 100% accurately read this player. Just so I could either death-tunnel or townblock him every time. I think I am rather good at sorting anyone in end game though, and scum!Boon might either underestimate me, or keep me around for too long just for their own entertainment..-
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That sounds an awful lot like it’s not my problem. Your expectations are not what I have to live up to-
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It was a reference of my favourite setup design I’ve made yetIn post 226, The Bulge wrote:
i actually dont hate this theoryIn post 214, Hu Tao wrote:
Found the traitorIn post 204, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'm actually a Informed Macho Cop-Enabler Miller and I'm informed that the Mafia know that my role exists.-
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Nah just not really feeling committed yetIn post 225, The Bulge wrote: jackson did a scum catchup-
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A lot of what Marci's early posts are, especially those surrounding you feel fake and/or exaggerated beyond a playful way, and it feels rather forced and like it's something they are doing for the sake of doing it rather than it coming out freely as people spoke, you're the focal point of all of that as you're the person Marci's fake-sounding posts have mostly been centered around so I understand where FL sees the WK/Pairing but I disagree that it means anything I just think they saw you as a person to be focused around (with the birthday thing) and expanded upon that. I can give examples about what posts I feel are giving me these feelings specifically but not immediately as I'm about to make breakfast. I was leaning into OMGUS / Confirmation bias a small bit with how they reacted to me because I felt that was really dismissive but Bulge snapped me out of that thinking so maybe I just had a really shit opener lmaoIn post 230, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Could you explain more? This goes for FL as well since I’m not sure what is entirely meant by the whiteknight part.In post 205, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I've gotten the same pings from Marci but I think it's isolated from Gamma, I don't see a pairing per seIn post 121, Flavor Leaf wrote: ah damn, are Marci and Gamma scum together? Could just be Marci white knight.
gonna avoid that thought for now because it's just paranoia, but i got big pings from that marci. looks like a performance, but i can see them posting like that as town.
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Like, this is more me asking you to not say stuff like this as I want to enjoy the game and it feels you aren't valuing my time or trusting that I'll answer things (considering you posted that right after you asked) I don't want to feel forced to reply to you immediately as I have my own life. Saying this now because I don't want this to come up when I'm not in a good state of mind.
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You'd like that, but the main character is actually Drew for having such impeccable music taste-
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Kpop and metal are my two gotos. What's your fave group rnIn post 238, marcistar wrote:
My kpop is s tier ill have you knowIn post 236, JacksonVirgo wrote: You'd like that, but the main character is actually Drew for having such impeccable music taste-
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I'll judge if you have as good taste as Drew-
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Ooo haven't heard anything from Everglow in a while might look back into them. Le sserafim is so good, also is ive/enhyphen but the others I haven't really heard much from personally.In post 241, marcistar wrote: Lapillus or le sserafim or ive
Or maybe enhyphen or new jeans or everglow or weki meki
OR UH
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Rare cases where my two seemingly opposing music tastes align brings us this gem of a song. Metal cover for Unforgiven by le sserafim but this is off topic so I'll just leave it with this.
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Oh nah you're fine just being proactive with what I feel could be an issue for me-
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What's your thoughts on Una? I want to back over their open as their like pull-apart for the VC (I think it was that?) had their responses feel overly like fluffy and a lot of it was "could go either way" or "no comments" and then their part on FL feels overly pockety? It's not really pocketing though it just reads as thought they're appealing to something in particular-
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That paired with that whole post seems like a lot of fluff but trying to portray as giving a lot of effort + appealing to FL's ego (which is what I think I'm reading from that but I'm still a bit fuzzy)In post 248, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Yeah I did think it was verbose, I don’t know how much of a tell that is thoughIn post 247, JacksonVirgo wrote: What's your thoughts on Una? I want to back over their open as their like pull-apart for the VC (I think it was that?) had their responses feel overly like fluffy and a lot of it was "could go either way" or "no comments" and then their part on FL feels overly pockety? It's not really pocketing though it just reads as thought they're appealing to something in particular-
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I gotta read back though as that's just a single post-
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I say this in the most respectful way I can, but self-meta is stupid and I'm going to have to throw that (the last two sentences) out of the window. However, I will take what you said otherwise to mind when (or let's be real, if) I go back through your posts but it definitely sparked conversation from me so ig you did a great job lmaoIn post 256, UnaBombaH wrote:
I have a very grounded reasoning for those light blue colored posts.In post 250, JacksonVirgo wrote: I gotta read back though as that's just a single post
I like to bold and/or color things from my posts anyway, but whenever I use votecounts or make a full lists of reads I will often write my own thoughts with colors.
Easier to find them later when anyone potentially returns to my reads. :]
To me it's all about being open with my reads and returning to them later for evaluation when we have flips/results to compare them to.
And sometimes just forcing myself to write something/anything about as many players as possible helps me process my thoughts at the same time.
Plus it very often garners attention and talk from others - positive or negative - and at the very least fuels conversation.
And no, this is not a LAMIST thing since whenever I'd play scum, I would do the same thing.
It's just a me-thing and totally NAI by itself.-
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It's dumb of anybody to use someones self-meta as reasoning, and therefore it's dumb to use it as an argument. Self-meta falls apart in three major ways, the first is the fact you need to be painfully self-aware of every nook and cranny of your gameplay, which for the most part (or even experienced players) are nowhere even close to being able to really know yourself from that objective point of view. You have a different perspective at viewing yourself than every other person on this planet. Secondly, self-meta can be used to cherry pick by the person making the arguments. You don't know whether or not what they're saying is accurate and if they bring their receipts you have no way to verify whether or not that's truly AI/NAI as they say it is unless you already know how they play and in which case why are you using self-meta. The third is the common reception of self-meta from my own experience is that it's either blindly trusted (rare) or disregarded/ignored. So it's pointless to even say to begin with, make actual arguments that people can flow with in the game and not say useless shit. Self-meta is almost as useless as somebody saying how townie they are.In post 260, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m pro self meta as a tactic.-
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You say this as if people will ever actually try and do this. The amount of times people say this compared to the amount of people that actually verify... bruh. I think I recall only one instance of somebody actually meta-diving that wasn't referring to a specific older game they remember etc. And that was off-siteIn post 261, UnaBombaH wrote: I mean, I agree that self meta is usually stupid. But in this very specific case it is also a thing that you'd be able to verify/debunk if you really felt the need to.-
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Remember where I said it's used to cherry pick and manipulate. That falls into that binIn post 264, Flavor Leaf wrote: You left out the part where you say it with charisma, and people 2 day phases later forget you’re the one that said it-
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Brother that's me as well. Love that for us, but for me it's usually for a very good reason and it's just for chaos.In post 263, UnaBombaH wrote:
You are also pro "let's make a wacky claim as either alignment and then just enjoy the shitstorm", right? :roll:In post 260, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m pro self meta as a tactic.
I'm off to bed, but looking forward to drinking my monday morning coffee with a side of juicy and spicy Mafiascum..-
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EBWOP (or perhaps a freudian slip)In post 271, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Brother that's me as well. Love that for us, but for me it's usually for a very good reason and it's not just for chaos.In post 263, UnaBombaH wrote:
You are also pro "let's make a wacky claim as either alignment and then just enjoy the shitstorm", right? :roll:In post 260, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m pro self meta as a tactic.
I'm off to bed, but looking forward to drinking my monday morning coffee with a side of juicy and spicy Mafiascum..-
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Mod broke the chain,
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Why are you apprehensive about saying this?In post 282, Doctor Drew wrote: Been skimming the game when I can at work, and I am sorry Flavor......but your friend Una is not looking too good.-
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I think Hu Tao is actually a difficult person for me to read as I always end up TRing them (small sample size) but I would say Drew here nonetheless. Not sure why you're asking this, nor why you're asking me but there you go.In post 359, UnaBombaH wrote: @Jackson - if you'd humor me for a moment - if you were told that there's one scum in Drew/Hu Tao guaranteed, which would you lean on being scum based on this early game?-
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How long is yours typically? I think mine hit the longest it's gonna get lmaoIn post 378, Gamma Emerald wrote: I’m actually trying to grow mine out a little more than I normally do-
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In post 368, Flavor Leaf wrote:
i got you. Hu Tao is town here.In post 361, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I think Hu Tao is actually a difficult person for me to read as I always end up TRing them (small sample size) but I would say Drew here nonetheless. Not sure why you're asking this, nor why you're asking me but there you go.In post 359, UnaBombaH wrote: @Jackson - if you'd humor me for a moment - if you were told that there's one scum in Drew/Hu Tao guaranteed, which would you lean on being scum based on this early game?
I get pinged so hard at times when Hu tao is scum.
I mean just based on that timing alone Nono was in a bit of a shitty position lmfaoIn post 369, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao pulled a heist in a recent game, and claimed a guilty on Nono who had a guilty on them before Nono claimed it, and we misfaded Nono. I even spent the day before that saying Hu Tao was obv scum, and still believed it.
They a dangerous scum player but they have a tone difference that peaks out when they're scum.-
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Damn, giving my ex a run for her money. How much hair do you got?In post 381, marcistar wrote: SHE HAD TO REFILL HER BOWL OF BLEACH 5-7 TIMES-
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Eh I guess I should probably start trying this game-
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In post 50, UnaBombaH wrote: I feel like you saw an easy avenue and you took it. :]
It's either very surface level townplay, which is obviously all fine and dandy this early on D1...or it's scum trying to make at least a somewhat justified serious vote.
With the added benefit of White knighting (I think that might be the right game-term?) and potentially slightly pocketing Boon at the same time.
The first quote above feels a bit wishy washy in the way you're saying it, as you say what you want clear as day and mix in what you really feel with "could be town though" which just feels overly afraid to put your neck out but at the same time pushing what you're calling out. Feels kinda like Drew as I called out earlier as well. They also took two filled out posts to just label this as a gut-read, adding to the "fluff" that I was calling out earlier (well Gamma called it verbose, which is a much fancier term). Tbf the second isn't really "filled out" but the first definitely was for what they ultimately ended up calling a gut so I feel they're trying to throw as much down peoples throats to appear as doing work when they're really not. Here I was ISO diving and literally nothing in here except obsessing over FL and a few random accusations here and there.In post 52, UnaBombaH wrote: Like if it's 50/50 scum trying to play or town trying to do something reasonable, I just lean scum this time.
Hence, guts.
..and in case anyone is wondering - no I did not miss the irony there.
I was making a very similar vote on Hu Tao, with a very flimsy reasoning as well. :lol:-
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Una/Drew are you both wolves perchance-
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I got no real way of verifying what you said is accurate so I'm just going to disregard that.-
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I don't know what scum!anybody would or would not do.-
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Unless that question was not relating to Drews meta-
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Why?In post 423, Doctor Drew wrote: I think I need to iso JV as well-
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Not an issue it just felt like that came out of nowhere so I wanted to know why you were needing to.In post 428, Doctor Drew wrote:
I was trying to just stream of consciousness post my reads and there was like nothing I say about you. So you deserve an iso to refresh my old man memory.In post 427, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Why?In post 423, Doctor Drew wrote: I think I need to iso JV as well
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That being said, my motivation should spark back up soon hopefully so look forward to that babes-
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You're saying... it is an issue(?). I'm so confused right nowIn post 432, Doctor Drew wrote:
I think it is you do most of your posting when I am asleep, and trying to catch up first thing in the morning can be a fools game.In post 430, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Not an issue it just felt like that came out of nowhere so I wanted to know why you were needing to.In post 428, Doctor Drew wrote:
I was trying to just stream of consciousness post my reads and there was like nothing I say about you. So you deserve an iso to refresh my old man memory.In post 427, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Why?In post 423, Doctor Drew wrote: I think I need to iso JV as well
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I know why, that wasn't what I was confused about but it does not matter this conversation is giving me brain rot as I'm way too tired for this lol. Be back later-
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Yeah you’re going to have to actually explain when you SR someoneIn post 450, Doctor Drew wrote: You know what didn't even have to do a full iso.....just looked at a post that was just quoted and the subsequent posts surrounding it
VOTE: Jackson-
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Novel concept ik lmao-
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They scare meIn post 458, The Bulge wrote: depends who you play with. a few years ago there were a lot more players who seemed to rely almost exclusively on meta deepdives-
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If you hurry I might be able to respond to it myself-
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You're like massively misunderstanding everything I am sayingIn post 559, Doctor Drew wrote:
This was the post I was referring to, not much but it was when he was kinda questioning una....and then made us buddies?In post 393, JacksonVirgo wrote: Una/Drew are you both wolves perchance
But I also didn't like Jackson getting so defensive when I said I would iso them so I kinda went into the it knowing I would probably drop a vote on them to see where it goes. And there reaction is something, since he just called me scum with little or no explanation.-
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To the extent which is actually kinda hilarious and I love that-
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I simply asked why you needed to ISO me as that super random, and then you went all kablooey and confused me with how you were responding to me and you label that as defensive. Also you scum-read me because you got upset of a joke?-
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I was curious but I regret asking now because fuckin' jesus-
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It wasn't a joke for you, I just saw you voting Una and I was just seeing you both were scummy for the same reasons as I called out. So I said that, how dare I omg this is blasphemous-
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