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@Dann - I’m still down to vote Titus, i would prefer fading them over you.

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If you’re traitor, they’re probably your group scum, though so you’re stuck in a funny spot

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@Nono - i won’t charge at Masons tomorrow if I am wrong on Titus simply to fade. I will do a full reset and look over all possibilities if I’m here.

I think Titus is scum, and thus that fade if flips scum, clears you completely if I am right.

And if I am wrong, I don’t want you to sit back and get faded, i want to analyze if we’re here tomorrow.

This also forces Dannflor on me, meaning a Mason would have to die, or both Dann and I, 2 misfade possibilities in that scenario, or they have to get rid of one of the others and eliminate them from a misfade.

Can you trust me for this day phase, Nono, and in return I will look into Fire/Dann analysis if I am wrong on Titus? I will sit and do ISO work, and make a case for and against Fire if I am alive, and really break down.

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VOTE: Titus

Sheep Jjh.

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If Titus is Group scum, Dann can only be scum if Lazy Traitor exactly.

If Dann ends up being town, and Titus scum, it’s probably Drew as the partner, but I’ll cross that bridge if i get there.

Don’t clear Una. Their play this game is not out of their scum range to fake this type of mentality they’ve been pushing.

They can lead a scum team level range.

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I am confirming I will target FL.

Perfect.

We die together if you’re town tonight.

And if this happens, this means scum specifically wanted me dead.

Firebringer NEVER kills me here. It’s just stupid to because they lose any protection from me.

Me being alive is greater for a scum Firebringer than a dead me with the WIFOM of ‘why would I kill FL?’

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And if ScumFB kills me, it’s just a bad scum move anyways because they probably get caught out if I’m not in their pocket

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so, let me get this straight.

your plan Flavour is to kill Titus today and let scum kill Dann and thus you.

what do you think the rest of us do if someone else dies instead overnight?

Play the game accordingly, maybe fade Dann.

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so, let me get this straight.

your plan Flavour is to kill Titus today and let scum kill Dann and thus you.

what do you think the rest of us do if someone else dies instead overnight?

Do the NKA in that scenario and analyze the game who would get rid of both Dann and me as misfade options in that scenario.

Idk, there’s a lot there, Geraint.

Join on Titus, and let’s move forward and get this game out of this standstill.

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yeah why though, thats easy to say as scum. theyve had like 4 posts since replacing in.

this aint titus fade this more a bulge fade.

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incoming rant

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I had every single read correct with the exception of Firebringer and Bulge slot flipped. Beginning of Day 3, I had Fire at the lowest, Bulge at the top.

I asked and asked multiple times for reasons other than setup that Fire was scum after I went through, and Fire/Drew were the only two players giving anything productive, with the exception of the occasional Nono pop in.

To get Fire faded, it was necessary to get my vote, but nobody wanted to give cases.

This game proves that it didn’t matter if town got hit because sometimes the game state just needs to move on. You don’t need to hit scum every day phase, you have to setup gamestates where you can hit them.

Yes, it could have ended on Day 3, but where were the other votes going to come from? We had Hu Tao/Geraint. Even Nono was trying for Dann. I would have easily gone Dann.

Titus slot was the only one on an overall level that was going to be able to get the acquired votes necessary. Had we faded a Mason on the Day, the game still would have ended the same day.

Need to give reasons and cases to get people to flip, otherwise it’s just “this is scum, no this is scum” which doesn’t lead to people changing their votes, it leads to them solidifying on their own.

I almost didn’t want to fade Firebringer out of principal. Hu Tao just walled instead of giving reasons when I asked multiple times for reasons other than setup. 

I had the most reasons for Firebringer scum as I posted early in the Day 3.

I saw the Hu Tao/Nono connections, and when they claimed Masons, I believed them. I believed them throughout, but I still standby fading a Mason would have lead to a game win for town anyways. People just don’t like to hear that.

Hu Tao, you have great gut reads, try to vocalize why, because I wanted to be convinced by you, not just told Fire was scum. You had the right read, now show us the way. On a game state level, Fire was just not going to get faded without me joining on them, so the pinch point was convincing me.

I play devil’s advocate with it, I like to be proven wrong. But ya gotta prove me wrong. Hindsight reads are nothing.

You saw this exact thing happen recently too.

And one of my main catchphrases, ‘Doesn’t matter if you know they’re scum if you can’t get them faded.’ I usually use it as scum, but it applies overall.

But at the end of the day, one thing is for sure—

When I town read Firebringer relentlessly, town ends up winning :shrug:

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Alright, rants done.

This was a really fun game overall, and even though it sounds like im aggravated, it’s just being passionate and expression all the emotion from the game, which is an overall good thing.

Nono solve was great, and their mindset in Day 3 was fantastic seeing that Dann was by far the right fade when considering game state and accessibility to being able to get the wagon completed.


Thanks for modding, Alisae. I liked the setup a lot.

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Oh, three more things...

Geraint...why would you never claim that informed part of your role....?

Drew, great hiding of role. Played that very well. I knew something was weird about you being Informed of that, and Geraint being informed making the entire Neighborhood informed of it is something that would have eased that so much.

Una....your paranoia was out of control this game and it was like the basis of your entire play.

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Hu tao save of Bulge and read on Fire was really good too.

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Also @Dannflor - I love that we were both Traitors at the same time, and both part of both games.

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it was hilarious.

I half figured a scum you would kill me too, but it was still probably better not to kill me

I was so ready to die this game.

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You have very strong gut reads, though

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Hi I read (part of) this game and I called Flavor Leaf being town on Day 1 and I think I actually know how to read Flavor Leaf now (it's hard, though).

Also called Dannflor being scum very early in Day 3, surprised Flavor didn't want to push him when he was scum both by mech (his claim) and by play.

Also was the Backup Cop supposed to trigger if Drew died? Or was it a complete red herring? Why did mafia have such bad roles? Just for WIFOM?

I needed Firebringer’s vote to end the day on Day 3.

We even had Xergerus as scum before they replaced out, but day 1, it really just was the i was inactive for a portion at the end, and come back to an E-1, something felt fishy. And Marci put Dann to E-1, so it put me off of it, and i couldn’t push Marci so went Gamma. Tried to go Marci at the end still, and got 4 votes on em.

Dann being traitor makes sense with why Marci would put them to E-1.

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If the setup was randed w/ like FL traitor and jjh + Gamma wolves I imagine it's hard to imagine how this game isn't a wolf win.

Flavor Leaf: complaining he's never played traitor before my game

Everyone: praising Flavor Leaf's traitor game

I find this funny.

I think it was probably one of my strongest scum games in a while.

I hope I never roll Traitor again.

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Scum probably should have taken advantage of a possible Mason Hu Tao fade, killed Drew, bussed Dann if they had to, then open up Geraint/FL/Una.

Probably sow doubt between Una/FL further and get us to 1v1.