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I thought you were never claiming Miller again-
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That game was painful-
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You can tell who did and didn't click the link lol
I think town might be more likely to ignore the link and take the claim seriously though, so there's that
Assuming Leaf is town, scum probably click the link and then ignore the claim so that townies can freak out about the claim and shift attention away
Idk what Leaf gains as scum with that entrance so I'll assume town for now-
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I like Gamma's reaction to early votes
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FriesIn post 83, marcistar wrote: (Just got off work what should i eat besties @everyone)-
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I just like your vibe atm. And I don't mean that I think it leans townie or scummy, more so that I think it's good that you're continuing to engage with the game in a natural way even after early pressure.
I'm voting Bulge because he kinda talked around the Miller claim to do some related role speculation instead and then dropped off. It didn't seem like a sincere attempt to interact with anyone, and I don't get the feeling he cared about what he was talking about. He said a lot but still said so little that actually meant anything.-
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Did your read on Hu Tao change?In post 254, UnaBombaH wrote:
Why would you do this?!?!?!?In post 223, The Bulge wrote:In post 193, UnaBombaH wrote:crumbed my role like CRAZY in that game as well.I
I got to slip in some talk of Universal monster-movies or something. Talked about a TUB in some context and all..oh the times.
nd yet..somebody..was able to convince people to not trust me and discredited my crumbs even though I had a very clear cut and consistentA
eta of doing it back then.m
ouldn't do it nowadays - mainly because I've gotten a bit lazy crafting secret messages for the future. Especially since most people are not going to believe them anyway.W
h well.W
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Hu Tao is one of their top scum reads, but the vote on Bulge felt like a jokey RVS vote. I asked if anything changed so I didn't have to assume anything.In post 274, Gamma Emerald wrote:
How does that correlate?In post 255, Roden wrote:
Did your read on Hu Tao change?In post 254, UnaBombaH wrote:
Why would you do this?!?!?!?In post 223, The Bulge wrote:In post 193, UnaBombaH wrote:crumbed my role like CRAZY in that game as well.I
I got to slip in some talk of Universal monster-movies or something. Talked about a TUB in some context and all..oh the times.
nd yet..somebody..was able to convince people to not trust me and discredited my crumbs even though I had a very clear cut and consistentA
eta of doing it back then.m
ouldn't do it nowadays - mainly because I've gotten a bit lazy crafting secret messages for the future. Especially since most people are not going to believe them anyway.W
h well.W
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VOTE: Hu Tao
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Hu Tao is there any reason you're opposed to me asking questions to clarify people's positions in the game-
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Like I doubt you actually believe I was building a case towards Una having more than one scum read in a game with multiple scum as scummy
So what's the issue-
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?In post 300, Hu Tao wrote:
Explained in last post. But I also have a respect for your scum game, so while I like your questions I don't think it's out of your scum level.In post 292, Roden wrote: Like I doubt you actually believe I was building a case towards Una having more than one scum read in a game with multiple scum as scummy
So what's the issue
This is only our third game together, and I was town the two previous games.-
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What do you need to speak aboutIn post 574, jjh927 wrote: Anyway I've really been doing the rounds lately huh
I guess main things still to come are that I need to speak to Roden, I need to more pointedly speak to The Bulge, and we as a whole shall await Xegarus' replacement in the probably scum slot-
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Why can't you just tell us what this is now?In post 481, marcistar wrote: Bold of you to assume i give a fuck how you view my play
I play for nobody except myself.
I have an action that can confirm town myself tonight if you really want me to-
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Because it's implied in the set up that Cop might be a Miller-esque role due to scum having a Cop. And if scum and town both have Cops then why do we have a Friendly Neighbor/the equivalent of a Friendly Neighbor here as well? And why soft claim that in the first place?-
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I have been gifted with the ability of foresight
Tomorrow, Marci will "confirm" herself to the player that gets NK'd-
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Where does it say this game doesn't have day talk?In post 829, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Oh right, day talk doesn't exist (please accept this dumb-clear)In post 828, Doctor Drew wrote:
Doesn't really affect anything tbh......wish there was day talk though.In post 827, JacksonVirgo wrote: Oh, not sure why you'd claim neighbours rn but I'll take it-
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Unless I'm blind as fuck (which I am) I'm pretty sure this isn't general knowledge-
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Like I don't see it in the rules or set up-
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Just checked and yeah you're right, it's just not in the OPIn post 840, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Idk but it said it when we signed the fuck up, lmaoIn post 835, Roden wrote:
Where does it say this game doesn't have day talk?In post 829, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Oh right, day talk doesn't exist (please accept this dumb-clear)In post 828, Doctor Drew wrote:
Doesn't really affect anything tbh......wish there was day talk though.In post 827, JacksonVirgo wrote: Oh, not sure why you'd claim neighbours rn but I'll take it-
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Leaf is more comfortably town now. I had bad vibes around Leaf and Hu Tao and thought he was defending her too hard for this early in the game, but that feels less likely without day talk to collaborate on it.In post 848, jjh927 wrote: Anyway Roden, it seems you're here so you get to talk about reads now
FL, geraintm, The Bulge, Dannflor. Discuss any and all
I said this in a previous game but reading Geraintm is like trying to play the slots and the house always wins. Idk how to read them and tend to ignore them Day 1.
Bulge is still meh to me. All of his votes have been non-controversial and I don't see any effort to dig into the game. I don't really see why he town reads me either.
Dann's posts have been good and lifted the slot into a town lean for me. I had pretty much no opinion on Xegarus prior.
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JJH dying first assumes a certain kind of game state that we probably shouldn't discuss-
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Ok now that DEFCON is over, I can say that the reason I don't believe Marci's claim is because she's playing really similarly to that game. She's goofing around but in a way that feels intentional; I saw someone else say it looks like a performance, which I don't think 100% succinctly describes it but is close enough. I think she goofs around regardless of alignment, but it comes across differently to me when she's scum, like she's trying to present herself how people expect her to play.
The other reason I suspect her is a lot more self-centered, but I expected town!Marci to suspect me back if I was wrong here since I usually correctly read her. But I didn't get much of a reaction out of her at all, which makes me think she's treading carefully.-
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I don't think she should be voted out today though, just tomorrow if she isn't 100% town confirmed since her claim still looks wonky-
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The scumminess dripping off this vote is wildIn post 1197, geraintm wrote:
then why even bother. you are just asking with bad intentions.In post 1193, Dannflor wrote: I don't really care about the specific names bulge gives me
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I see, you've pegged him as scum-
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It would be really cool if the people who are town reading Bulge could actually town case him instead of just whining about the votes-
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The people voting you explained why they were voting you by scum casing you. The people claiming that you're town have given zero explanation and just keep repeating "Bulge is obvtown" or are pre-flipping other slots to "confirm" you as town.In post 1378, The Bulge wrote:
neither here nor there but this is pretty backwards, if there's a wagon on someone without hardly any reasoning then the onus is not on the anti-wagoners to towncase them.In post 1248, Roden wrote: It would be really cool if the people who are town reading Bulge could actually town case him instead of just whining about the votes
If I already believe that you're scum and given my thoughts on why by pointing out certain things, I'm not going to suddenly change my mind because people are spamming "obvtown" over and over. I'm baffled that you think it's somehow my responsibility to town case you in this scenario and not the people who are calling you town.-
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On the other hand, Hu Tao saying "why would I do X as scum, that's such a bad play and the best thing would be to do nothing" isn't a good look since I used that exact defense last time I rolled scum. It's giving "caught for the wrong reason" vibes.
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In post 1437, The Bulge wrote:
this never happenedIn post 1409, Roden wrote: The people voting you explained why they were voting you by scum casing you.Spoiler: For convenience-
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I want to kill Bulge, and I'm currently ready to go back to Bulge if everyone stops having cold feet about it. The other viable wagons are you, who I town read, or Hu Tao, who at least did do something scummy. She isn't my preferred vote, but I'd rather have my vote on a slot where it matters, and I'd rather flip Hu Tao over yourself.In post 1440, Dannflor wrote: roden, is your opinion that hu tao and the bulge are both just scummy and you don't care which one goes? or is hu tao distinctly preferred now
I don't really know what your worldview is here-
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Why would I vote Drew?In post 1444, Hu Tao wrote:
Are you willing to vote drew?In post 1443, Roden wrote:
I want to kill Bulge, and I'm currently ready to go back to Bulge if everyone stops having cold feet about it. The other viable wagons are you, who I town read, or Hu Tao, who at least did do something scummy. She isn't my preferred vote, but I'd rather have my vote on a slot where it matters, and I'd rather flip Hu Tao over yourself.In post 1440, Dannflor wrote: roden, is your opinion that hu tao and the bulge are both just scummy and you don't care which one goes? or is hu tao distinctly preferred now
I don't really know what your worldview is here-
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Maybe Hu Tao is town then, because I made it really clear who I'd rather vote and she's trying to persuade me of some third option who isn't even on my radar-
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VOTE: Bulge
I'll shift my vote back if it's necessary for EoD, but if you want my vote off of you Hu Tao then this is the competing wagon you want, not Dann or Drew. Like unless you'd literally rather die than vote out Bulge, this is the only option I'm offering on my end.-
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Dann and Hu Tao, do you even scum read each other?-
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Why?In post 1533, Dannflor wrote: I do-
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I did Ctrl + F in your ISO and I see it's mainly because of her backtrack on Bulge. So I'm mainly asking if this view has evolved.
PE: OK, I think your reasoning checks out. I kinda forgot that you've been on Hu Tao for awhile.-
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This EoD is so fucking bad-
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VOTE: Hu Tao-
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What are you soft claiming here?In post 1732, Gamma Emerald wrote: At this point Flavor, if you can’t see what I’m doing here, you just aren’t trying.-
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I think everything Leaf is saying here makes sense, I've been noticing the things he's mentioned about Gamma too but he worded it better than I ever could have here.
My main concern is that Gamma is speaking in riddles and soft claimingsomething. It would probably scare me off of voting her more if she didn't like...immediately backtrack on it.
As an alternative to Hu Tao/Dann, I technically prefer this more, but I'd still rather flip Bulge or Marci.-
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Literally what are you doing
You've been hovering on E-1 for awhile now and I made it clear I don't want you gone-
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VOTE: Marci
I'm finally getting my Marci wagon-
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Marci/Gamma/Bulge
Posting my solve in case something dumb happens to me tonight-
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It's not just youIn post 1995, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Marci can be scum and Drew can be town too.In post 1988, Firebringer wrote: i guess possibility both drew and marci scum together but thats kind of bold for marci
I’m assuming I’m missing something if I’m the only one not seeing this weird, and I’m trying to find that link I’m missing, but from my pov, y’all wildin right now
Kinda shocked that anyone is buying it at all tbh-
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It sounds like Marci is a scum Neighborizer and has a scum Mailman on her team, because there's absolutely no way for a town Mailman to know what your alignment is without being Loyal themselves. She Neighborized you and claimed to be Loyal, and the scum Mailman tried to collaborate by hinting that you would be confirmed as town.In post 2003, Doctor Drew wrote:
Said it comes from a Mailman, says that they can deduce the alignment of others, says that by dawn it will be clear what my alignment is, and sometimes silence speaks loudly.In post 1993, Flavor Leaf wrote:
The message did not come from Marci if they are claiming Loyal Neighborizer.In post 1983, Doctor Drew wrote:
I keep going back and forth on this, the message I received highly suggested they were loyal though.In post 1978, Flavor Leaf wrote: Loyal Neighborizer doesn’t confirm Marci, it confirms the other player.
Could be scum neighborizer claiming Loyal.
I think I’m semi okay with the claim, though, and I will sit back today.
But still.....some questions I do have about the presentation of it all.
Peter Edit: Did you crumb at all D1 that you would target me?
So i don’t know why you’re trying to combine those 2.
Why would another player know you were to be confirmed through Marcistar, and why are you not questioning how that’s happening?
Am I missing something?
What did your message say?
I took that as being loyal.....but also Marci said the message came from someone else.
So which one is loyal?
Pre Edit: I don't fully buy everything, but I also have the luxury of having the message.
But the third party in question(the mailman) is throwing me for a loop.
"Sometimes silence speaks loudly" is just scum trying to tell you to keep quiet about the circumstances of the Mailman and "Loyal hood", so that you don't question what's going on and so the rest of town can't point out the holes in Marci's claim and the message you received.
Leaf is 100% right that scum killed JJH exactly because he would lay out all the flaws in everything scum is trying to pull right now.-
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In post 1956, Doctor Drew wrote:
To be specific, I got the message from the mail manIn post 1955, Doctor Drew wrote:
Yes I know, got it loud and clearIn post 1950, marcistar wrote:
something else that drew should know the half ofIn post 1949, geraintm wrote:
That based on the claim from yesterday, or something else?In post 1947, marcistar wrote: ok this might sound really scummy butim likeprettysure drew is town >.>
the other half idk if its useful to say.. do u think i should just?
Marci knew Drew got a message from the Mailman before he actually claimed itIn post 1957, marcistar wrote: umm!! yeah that was someone else!
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Did you talk to each other in the hood last night?In post 2191, Doctor Drew wrote:
To take it further, I think they want me to reveal what potential abilities I have.In post 2190, Doctor Drew wrote:
Ya but, how far does that trust go to what you reveal in the hood?In post 2186, Flavor Leaf wrote: I agree. Una is more likely to be the traitor, if any at all.
This makes the last scum a Cop, I would imagine a Role Cop.
I don’t think it’s Geraint. Geraint trusted me completely in a neighborhood recently too, and they were town.
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I'm losing my mind-
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Una and Drew are both town-
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Quick recap so we're all on the same page
Una is arguing that the Mailman can't be Loyal, because if they were it makes no strategic sense to send the message Drew claims to have received. Because there seems to some kind of intention behind the meaning of the message, it can't just be a bad strategic play. So it's more likely that the Mailman is Disloyal since that would make more sense given the context of the message.
Drew is arguing that Una can't be 100% certain that the Mailman isn't Loyal. To be 100% certain would require either a flip or for Una to be informed.
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GG, thanks for modding Alisae
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