Mini Normal 2313: I am sitting in a room (game over)

[bob3141]

There's a true PoE of 6 with three scum within.
Gob, Wiz, Bob, Merlyn, Hu Tao.

I'm not opposed to delve into the world where Bob and Hu Tao are both wolves for the sake of completion. As this is the final day if wrong

This is fair. I'm getting a little sketched out by Bob's reasoning. Also is it possible scum is true claiming and scum are also 1 shot cops?

vannila cop is pretty much a standard scum pr in these sort of set ups. Normaly odd or even night. but if all towns toles outside of masons are onshot then i wouldnt rule it out

[bob3141]

pisskop/JV did you actualy protect black n1?

[bob3141]

Why would we... lie about that Bob?

I wouldnt know i like to be sure on things when working out balance.

[bob3141]

babysitter is a combo hider/doc.

If I target a dying player, they live. If I die, whoever I prot dies too

So, um. Gob is confirmed scum then right? Why would town need to be a babysitter cop?

its not that simple

as the babysitter is doubled edge sword. its a bit like how bg is weaker than a doc

[bob3141]

So, um. Gob is confirmed scum then right? Why would town need to be a babysitter cop?

Gob probably trueclaimed his role fwiw

fact we have miller and babysitter/mason

im inclined to agree. there are simpler roles to claim as scum

[bob3141]

one thing im sure is that that afyr wagon had to have 2 scum on it

no way you get that wagon velcity change with out atleast 2 or more scum jumping on it

[bob3141]

Bob vs wiz at the moment?

Id believe bobs play over Wizs, even accounting for skill and familiarity.

Mech wise, I think Wiz is better situated. Wiz claimed VT, right?

one shot vannila cop

meryl claimed vt

[bob3141]

VC 1.12

AnimatedWiz

(4): Charles510, Gumiguy, BlackStar, Black

BlackStar

(3): Dannflor, Hu Tao, pisskop

Shrek

(1): bob3141

Charle510

(1): Afrayed Knott

Gumiguy

(1): Shrek

brightbluebug

(1): Andante

Not Voting

(2): brightbluebug, AnimatedWiz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to scuttle a player. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-09-28 06:30:00).

mod notes: Sushi, you food!!

i find this vc interesting

if gob is town then that would imply the wagon is all town. Thus why did ami keep fallign behind blackstar

[bob3141]

VC 2.28

BlackStar

(6): pisskop, AnimatedWiz, JacksonVirgo, Dannflor, Titus, Black

AnimatedWiz

(2): Merlyn, Andante

Merlyn

(2): bob3141, Hu Tao

gob

(1): BlackStar

Titus

(1): gob

Not Voting

(0):

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to smack a player really hard in the nose. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-10-08 22:15:00).

mod notes: Exonerating patients

statisticialy at this point ami is always scum

as it stands there is 5 know town players on that wagon and although near deadline there is always soem scum on misexecution at this point in time

[bob3141]

BlackStar
(6): pisskop, AnimatedWiz, JacksonVirgo, Dannflor, Titus, Black
T,Ami,T,T,T,T

and then

T,ami,T,T,T,T, Hu tao

[bob3141]

ok
VOTE: Animated

Ande last vote before nked

[bob3141]

but my gut has been saying like ani/dann/merlyn is a good pool to look in... part of me feels like scum TMId charles town

Their last solve and since we know dann is town

atleast one of meryl and ami is always scum when comned with wagonmics and VCA

most likely ami

[bob3141]

VC 1.21

Afrayed Knott

(6)

[E-1]

: Merlyn, Black, Dannflor, AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao, Afrayed Knott

BlackStar

(1): pisskop

AnimatedWiz

(1): Gumiguy

Hu Tao

(1): BlackStar

Gumiguy

(1): Andante

Not Voting

(3): brightbluebug, bob3141, Charles510

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to scuttle a player. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-09-28 06:30:00).

mod notes: Tuscany fading

meryl, T,T,ami, Hu tao, T

ami and hu tao in voting block on day one execution just like day 2

[bob3141]

So for bobs narrative to work, you/othermaf would have to recognize hu as the traitor by EoD1

traitors tend to know their scum teams. so the block voting can still form but its always the traitor thats the last one

[bob3141]

I dont know why bob claimed like/when he did and I dont know why gob's assumed buddy(s) would let them claim babysittercop

ill just say something in real life got me really down. i dont want to go into it more as i dont want to bring outside stuff into the game but to keep simple i was quite tilted when i logged on

[bob3141]

but when i actualy investigated i was expecting it to flip scum. Thats why i never really had a case as to why Hu tao was town.

If it came back town then i would have but a player that when their town is good out miseexuction range. While avoid players that might be nked or could be in hood or masons

with me being tilted i never thought about the possibility of hu being a traitor

[bob3141]

at the time during the limited time i had my gut told me hu tao was trying to deep wolf.

[bob3141]

I would say scum shouldnt feel bad about losing as this set up was heavily townsided as the mason/babysitter gatting only being roaming was a little broken. Allowing a defacto 4 clear block to form by day 2 and unless scum hit the babysitter night 1 or 2 then you would still get that fourth clear.

Funnilly enough although i was town ive always been in habbit of picking who i would nk as scum (as town its me looking for town pr). but i would killed charles n1 as i sensed a mason. Then titus N2 as she made it quite clear that they had a vengful role.

pretty much by day 2 this game was lock town win just by mech

[bob3141]

But even if scum nk mason/babysit then you still have 1 vig (town kill plus veng kill) and both those could still end up landing on scum.

with 2 solveable roles left and one sure clear and a very usable role left. so 4 nights with 3 dictated nk even if scum hit babysitter n1 with high likelyhood of one scum being killed by either vengful or mistaken babysitter

[bob3141]

I mean scum came really close to winning. It was never a forgone conclusion until Annie accidentally told on himself with the last night kill. I think the babysitter mechanic can be pretty swingy and that could have easily killed a conftown or obvtown player by accident. Roaming did not work as well to gate as I thought it would, primarily because scum didn't know about the roaming modifier and couldn't adjust accordingly.

People were still trying to kill Hu Tao despite the soft clear. Your slot was very killable too. Black maybe could have been misyeeted with a good fakeclaim from scum. And the four 1-shot ____ cop thing could have set scum up looking good off of setup spec for a bit imo (but no telling exactly how that would have worked out if Merlyn true-claimed).

So yeah it probably could have been balanced better but the bigger problem was just swing, I don't think the balance was like egregious or anything.

I didnt intend to imply egregious but just heavily. Although to clarify i do generally see normals in general being far too town sided to begin with. The issue was that the base setup was balanced on paper par usual balancing but that roaming modifier is usually seen as far stronger gatting than it actual is. And complex games are hard to balance as you start needing to take account of psychology. Which makes roaming in effect nearly as strong as ungated as the goal may be open but scum has no way of ever knowing.

Overall the set up was nice its just the game hit an edge case so thats what i meant about lock win for town on day 2. Just need gatting to add ambiguity or delay pay off from one shot cop roles for town


My slot wasnt really killable although that more due to my endgame i tried setting up in day 2. the whole macho thing had two objectives, bait scum into giving themselves away in the thread and the main one get huo tao into endgame if they were town. But its not an easy game for scum once all the Nk are rail roaded.