Mini Normal 2313: I am sitting in a room (game over)

[Black]

besides whatever Blackstar flips I’m pretty sure you’re gonna use it as an excuse to kill me next

Yeah I think you flip scum regardless of what BlackStar flips. If only enough people agreed with me we could probably just fade you today

[Black]

I have no idea why you think I have to feign that confidence as scum

People townread confidence and taking solidified positions. I think you're scum tryharding right now and trying to get townread

[Black]

1494 is a fake post. There's no way Dannflor read over a game, decided it was enough to make BlackStar town, and then couldn't remember which game he read over when asked to talk about it. If that game truly convinced him BlackStar is townie, he would have provided more in 1494. Hell he would have shared this opinion

much

sooner, like when he read over the game. Instead he just casually brushed it off. It's a fake read, and I think it's a read scum!Dann makes regardless of BlackStar's alignment

[Black]

can we just lim the claimed scum then talk tomorrow?

This post is really really weird

[Black]

can we not? like I'm the only one actually trying to play this game

yall are the ones refusing to talk to me, ignoring anything I do say, I bring up legit points and you're like "VOTE ANDANTE"

This frustration feels kinda fake. Now that other people are talking and trying to solve the game Andante wants us to stop talking and fade someone?

[Black]

I do want you to flip scum, but mainly because I want to be right and it will be good for my ego

Pedit: You misunderstood. I wasn't saying you were lying about looking over the game. I said you lied about not being sure which game you looked over. "I think it was this game" was a fake thought. You know exactly what game you looked over, and if you didn't then why wouldn't you just look through it a little instead of posting that you're not sure? It comes off as you trying to be casual about being asked to explain a read and it feels unnatural. I think town!you would just quote the game and go into details about why you think he's town. You barely gave anything, but this was the game that convinced you he was town? I doubt it

[Black]

I'm actually starting to see a world where BlackStar is town and Dannflor is scum

[Black]

iv only jusst really noticed how little gum did day one. interaction with 1-2 two player and 2 read lists

VOTE: Gob

We get no information from a Gumi/gob flip. BlackStar is a better vote imo

there is no need to rush the day. but as things stand for now my vote is better placed on gob for now

That's fair

[Black]

I understand why you think that was scummy but I am just town and town did indeed post that

sorry

I'm sorry if I'm wrong about you

[Black]

Yeah I'm thinking BlackStar flips scum regardless of Dann's alignment

besides whatever Blackstar flips I’m pretty sure you’re gonna use it as an excuse to kill me next

Yeah I think you flip scum regardless of what BlackStar flips. If only enough people agreed with me we could probably just fade you today

I mean, Dann is right here—you have said both would flip as scum regardless of how the other flips.

What's your point? My reads are fluid. Is this your only takeaway from the last 10 pages?

[Black]

I just think it's weird how you seemed genuinely frustrated that no one was talking or playing the game, and then when activity picks up you want us to stop talking and fade someone. It doesn't matter if that was posted a week ago or yesterday, your desire for people to contribute more should still be in tact. It's just strange to me how a lot was said over the last several pages and you just reduced it down to "OMG it's Dan" so you don't have to say anything about it

Now you act like you don't want to rush the day but you don't want to talk about anything except players that aren't here and have barely been here all game?

[Black]

And like the only person you want to engage with here is a semi cleared player that you think is town? Yeah I don't get it

[Black]

There's no hatred? I just think your behavior seems off and I wanted to engage with you about it

[Black]

that enough "caring" for yall? cool, all that did was convince me gob/bug are the next 2 lims

If gob/bug both flip town, what would your solve be?

[Black]

Gob do you think Dann is misguided town or scum pushing you?

[Black]

that enough "caring" for yall? cool, all that did was convince me gob/bug are the next 2 lims

If gob/bug both flip town, what would your solve be?

that's not happening

Consider it for a second, then tell me what you think the solve might be in that scenario. Surely you've been this confident before and were wrong? Put yourself in those shoes

[Black]

Did I miss JV being semi-clear?

[Black]

that enough "caring" for yall? cool, all that did was convince me gob/bug are the next 2 lims

If gob/bug both flip town, what would your solve be?

that's not happening

Consider it for a second, then tell me what you think the solve might be in that scenario. Surely you've been this confident before and were wrong? Put yourself in those shoes

you want me to waste my limited time I do have, and chase this path down, when it's guaranteed gob/bug are 2 scum, literally not happening, vote me out I don't care, but that's such a waste of time. no I haven't been that dead wrong before

I wanted you to take 10 seconds to consider it and tell me your unfiltered thoughts. I'm sorry I even bothered tbh. Jesus Christ

[Black]

Actually Black is right

VOTE: BlackStar

Can you elaborate?

[Black]

Sorry. Busy work week. I'll catch up soon.

Just out of curiosity, how much catching up do you have to do? You've been saying that you'll catch up for a few days now

What is the point of this post?

[Black]

If you're feeling this strongly, why vote for Blackstar over Dann? I do see you have sr or leaning sr on Blackstar for some stuff he said about JV, at a glance it looks pretty consistent. But this is such a strong statement- like, if you think it's a fake post for sure, why not vote for him?

At the time I was pretty sure they were scum together and I didn't want the wagon on BlackStar to fall apart. I think scum is pushing gob/bug and I didn't want momentum to shift to their wagons

[Black]

Speaking of bug. This slot just needs to be replaced. They are continuously going 3-4 days without posting. It's ridiculous

[Black]

That's e-2

I don't really like the way Annie was mediating during the conversation yesterday but somehow didn't pick up on the fact that we were pushing BlackStar

[Black]

If BlackStar flips green the team is probably Annie/Dannflor/Andante or something

[Black]

And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?

I voted for BlackStar because I thought he was scummy. I didn't want to move that vote to Dann because I want to fade scum and I didn't think I would be able to fade Dann today

[Black]

If BlackStar flips green the team is probably Annie/Dannflor/Andante or something

What makes you say that? If Andante is somehow scum then she deserves an Oscar lol.

Yeah maybe Andante is ok. I'm just trying to consider a world where you're town. I think Dannflor/Annie are very likely scum in this world but I'm not sure who the third would be

[Black]

And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?

I voted for BlackStar because I thought he was scummy. I didn't want to move that vote to Dann because I want to fade scum and I didn't think I would be able to fade Dann today

If you want to fade scum then you should be on Bug or Gob

I don't think Gob is scum and I think bug could very easily be a checked out townie. These are low-hanging fruit slots that provide zero information on a flip. I don't understand why people want them dead so bad. I think scum are pushing these slots

[Black]

Here’s my case against gob

In Post 1177 he says that either Merlyn or Bug are scum before he even reads the game. That does not seem like the actions of someone who’s town.

In post 1779 he adds my name to the end of Afrayed’s wagon for some reason even though I never voted for him. Andante was the hammer, so where did that even come from? He proceeds to vote for Merlyn and say it’s PoE without explaining how.

Then he makes this weird post about the IC being hypocritical.

In post 1237 he quotes the VC from when Afrayed was lynched but asks a couple of us if we were there around the time of the hammer. He was obviously just looking at those pages of the game, so there’s no point in asking us this. It comes across as a phony attempt to look like he’s trying to figure things out.

Post 1580 was baffling to me. How could not placing a single vote all Day 1 and voting for someone besides the mis-limed townie be equal actions in his eyes? It just seemed like a lazy excuse to join the wagon.

This entire case could be explained by gob being bad at playing townie lol

Anyway I don't think Gob is scum and I'm starting to really doubt my read on you BlackStar. Care to join me on an Annie wagon?

VOTE: AnimatedWiz

[Black]

Wait why are you casing gob but voting for bug?

[Black]

Annie can you go into why you think Merlyn is scum

[Black]

You didn't really say why you don't trust Merlyn/why you scumread her in #1410. Surely there was more to your read there other than she was on the Afrayed wagon?

[Black]

I can scum read more than one person

You seem more confident in your Gob scumread so why not vote there?

[Black]

like the ani/merlyn/X world has 3rd scum being like dann or someone, I'm not going down that till tomorrow, cause scum tried to kill black last night, I don't see a charles/bug/X team doing that.. hmmm

A Dann/Annie team would do that. I suspected them both D1

[Black]

means bug lim wouldn't be optimal here, but like, bug literally isn't doing anything,,,,

Bug is getting replaced. I think we should let the replacement talk

[Black]

yeah thinking more about the kill on you, I'm like, that would HAVE to be like not the lurkers lol, cause you're really good at scumhunting, I'll follow you today, we don't have to go for bug/gob

I wouldn't say I'm great at scum hunting but I do appreciate the sentiment lol

Since you're willing to cooperate with me I'll consider helping you push someone D3 if I'm wrong here

[Black]

Dann/Annie/Merlyn is my hero solve

I think Merlyn fits here as someone that would want me dead N1 for multiple reasons. She mentioned in a game we played together last month that she thinks I'm really good at finding scum. She also might be worried here that I could sniff out her scum game since I played with her when she was scum in a newbie game a few months ago

I think it fits but I'm not sure if this is the world we live in

[Black]

Bob why did you investigate Hu Tao instead of Merlyn or one of your other scumreads?

[Black]

I think Bob said he was trying to confirm someone as a townie instead of clearing a scumread?

You do this a lot where you answer for people. I don't like it. I want to engage with Bob here

[Black]

<3

[Black]

black is doing the calculations on whether i can still be scum buddies with hu tao

Not quite. I am picturing a world where Bob is lying though. He cleared one of the most townread slots in the game instead of targeting in his PoE. I think Hu Tao would be town in this world. I haven't thought about where you fit in there

[Black]

I really don't like how he claimed. Like at all. The AtE and then slow trickle of information. I think the play is probably to just trust Bob and I'm willing to do that, but I'm not 100% confident he's being truthful here

[Black]

i think it is not worth hypothesizing about such a world because bob has claimed macho and should 100% die tonight

Yeah this is what I'm thinking but I still want to engage with people to try and read them better

[Black]

I don't really agree with that logic. If you target in your PoE and are wrong then you still get a clear. If you are right then you get a guilty. It's a win/win

Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town is the scummiest thing you could do, but I agree that the play is to let you live for now and let scum deal with you

[Black]

I would rather fade Annie over Merlyn

[Black]

I don't really agree with that logic. If you target in your PoE and are wrong then you still get a clear. If you are right then you get a guilty. It's a win/win

Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town is the scummiest thing you could do, but I agree that the play is to let you live for now and let scum deal with you

i disagree. you need to factor in who you want alive as game goes on and who is simply better executed even if they flip town. While factoring 4 steps ahead as there is difference between what you said "Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town" and targeted an expect misexecution.

Targeting the top townread also puts you at risk of wasting your action on the potential NK. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't think it's the best play

[Black]

says the person that tried to push Hu Tao at the start of day 2

I think townies make bad plays all the time tbh. It happens to the best of us

[Black]

Hi Titus!

[Black]

4 conf towns*

Nah 5 cuz I'm obvtown

Andante did say you were soft cleared and never explained it?

[Black]

Currently thinking at least 2 scum in this pool
- brightbluebug
- Charles510
- Gumiguy
- Dannflor

With 1 possibly in this one.

- AnimatedWiz
- BlackStar
- Merlyn

I'll need to read up on the top 4 again

Hmmmm. Need to look into bug

Um.. I'll read this tonight.

Sorry. Busy work week. I'll catch up soon.

Please come play

[Black]

I think it means one of the choices is scum and I’m gonna go with the one i think has a pure composition

This feels like a pretty convoluted reason when Dann could just say one of the choices is scum and he strongly townreads two of them. I find it weird that he left BlackStar out of his reasoning here

Meh. Maybe they are paired

VOTE: BlackStar

[Black]

Yeah I should probably check my conf bias lol. I still think BlackStar is the best fade today

[Black]

I also think BlackStar is town

Happy?

You don't just think he's town. You're convinced to the extent that you're willing to be faded instead of him just so we would trust your read on him. Which is wild anyway considering even if you flip town that doesn't mean BlackStar is town too. I just think your confidence in your reads feels completely unnatural. I admit it could be because I'm rarely confident in my own reads, but my gut is telling me it's because you're informed

[Black]

The case against me seems to be that Dannflor and I town read each other so we must be scum buddies

Reducing the votes on you to this is disingenuous. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one that believes this theory

[Black]

I also think BlackStar is town

Happy?

You don't just think he's town. You're convinced to the extent that you're willing to be faded instead of him just so we would trust your read on him. Which is wild anyway considering even if you flip town that doesn't mean BlackStar is town too. I just think your confidence in your reads feels completely unnatural. I admit it could be because I'm rarely confident in my own reads, but my gut is telling me it's because you're informed

Hmm, nah be careful. I've seen countless times where Town is so confident in a TR that they're willing to off themselves to keep them alive.

I have too. This doesn't feel like one of those times to me. The strength of the TR doesn't feel real

[Black]

VOTE: Dannflor

[Black]

I think it's the opposite. I think Dann flips red here regardless. The way he has positioned himself and his reads feels really agenda driven and opportunistic. I will reassess as we get closer to the deadline but this is where I want my vote right now

[Black]

Why do you think they are town?

Im pretty sure your scum doing oen of two things. One scum protecting a partner or two scum positioning themselves to benifit from town driven misexecution

Do you think Dannflor could be doing this?

[Black]

I very much dislike dann throwing the clears down her throat.

I have a reason for it

It’ll help me read her

How does revealing this reason before she even has the chance to react to the clears help you though? And how do you think scum!Titus would have reacted here?

[Black]

Ok

[Black]

But right now I feel good about BlackStar/gob/merlyn being the solve

I don't understand how you could feel good about this solve when less than 24 hours ago you we're all but locktowning BlackStar and your solve was Titus/gob/Merlyn

Now you think Titus is town and BlackStar is scum but your world view hasn't changed at all? It's still gob and Merlyn with them?

None of it feels real and I don't think a carefully crafted wall post is going to convince me otherwise tbh

[Black]

If you're town then I think he's trying to pocket you here

[Black]

Could be conf bias though

[Black]

Boop

[Black]

I explored scum!bob here. I'm not sure if JV said anything about it

black is doing the calculations on whether i can still be scum buddies with hu tao

Not quite. I am picturing a world where Bob is lying though. He cleared one of the most townread slots in the game instead of targeting in his PoE. I think Hu Tao would be town in this world. I haven't thought about where you fit in there

I really don't like how he claimed. Like at all. The AtE and then slow trickle of information. I think the play is probably to just trust Bob and I'm willing to do that, but I'm not 100% confident he's being truthful here

Bob why did you investigate Hu Tao instead of Merlyn or one of your other scumreads?

i always find clears are stronger than guilites when it comes to cop especially when they are potential misececutions the next day.

Only go for guilites on weaker roles where the answer inst unambiguous

I don't really agree with that logic. If you target in your PoE and are wrong then you still get a clear. If you are right then you get a guilty. It's a win/win

Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town is the scummiest thing you could do, but I agree that the play is to let you live for now and let scum deal with you

I don't really agree with that logic. If you target in your PoE and are wrong then you still get a clear. If you are right then you get a guilty. It's a win/win

Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town is the scummiest thing you could do, but I agree that the play is to let you live for now and let scum deal with you

i disagree. you need to factor in who you want alive as game goes on and who is simply better executed even if they flip town. While factoring 4 steps ahead as there is difference between what you said "Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town" and targeted an expect misexecution.

I don't really agree with that logic. If you target in your PoE and are wrong then you still get a clear. If you are right then you get a guilty. It's a win/win

Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town is the scummiest thing you could do, but I agree that the play is to let you live for now and let scum deal with you

i disagree. you need to factor in who you want alive as game goes on and who is simply better executed even if they flip town. While factoring 4 steps ahead as there is difference between what you said "Targeting someone everyone thinks is probably town" and targeted an expect misexecution.

Targeting the top townread also puts you at risk of wasting your action on the potential NK. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't think it's the best play

[Black]

One thing I noticed about Bob is his iso is full of busywork questions. Like I don't really get the feeling that he's trying to solve with a lot of these questions

blackstar incase JV is town adn your just omgusing

Tell us about your main 2 scum reads, as thats a better way to show us your town ig your town

gob and blackstar what are your raeds on each other?

blackstar your bottom 3 reads are bug, meryl and gob.

you claim gob to be neutral yet they are still your bottom nulll read. which puts them in the 3rd slot to be scum according to your reads.

if you cant get bug or meryl would you vote gob?

From where I'm standing I don't know why people are so convinced on Annie as town. When pressed they basically admitted they're just moving to whatever wagon is most likely to lim. That's not town thinking.

I mean, I'm convinced that BlackStar is just textbook wolf here.

Can you explain what I'm missing here? Is it for the same reasons Black has? Or point me to a post explaining the case if I missed it.

whats your view on blackstar, i noticed last time blackstar was run up day one, you reacted by pushing the same player you are now ami.

[Black]

Your analysis of Bob is looking based on his mechanics. I'd like to see his play. Also was Hu Tao largely townread at the time of the check?

Yeah by pretty much everyone. Bob tried to defend this move by saying it's better to clear someone you think is town. I'm not really a mech person but idk about that

[Black]

I'm going to be a bit busy this weekend, just a heads up

[Black]

I don't think we should claim today, and I'm not liking Hu Tao coming in and hard pushing that without giving any thoughts on the game

[Black]

That's a believable thought but why would you tell her you're wanting her reaction so you could read her better? If you just completed a scum game with her where a similar situation happened then I feel like that's a huge signal that maybe she should be careful how she responds. I feel like the normal townie thing to do would be to wait for her reaction instead of revealing that you're looking for a read

[Black]

@Black

Do I go BlackStar or Dannflor?

Who is scummier to you?

[Black]

bro ngl black's avatar makes me uncomfortabl e

It's ok to be attracted to Pokemon

[Black]

That's fair I guess

[Black]

@Black

Do I go BlackStar or Dannflor?

Who is scummier to you?

Blackstar

Can you go into this thought more? Why is BlackStar scummier than Dann in your mind?

[Black]

I'm at the state fair playing Mafia. I think I'm an addict

[Black]

I don't think we should claim today, and I'm not liking Hu Tao coming in and hard pushing that without giving any thoughts on the game

Don't care. I'm innocent. Look elsewhere

Right now I'm thinking scum is Merlyn, Dann and someone else

I'm looking for you to explain why you think these things, if you could

[Black]

VOTE: BlackStar

[Black]

BlackStar should be the fade today. I don't think we should run Merlyn or anyone else up to another claim

[Black]

well if it wasnt already obvous, i am one shot pt cop

the hole 2 shot macho thing was just an attempt to sort players at the time. Thought at the time danns reaction was unnatural

This is scummy af and I'm having a hard time believing Titus isn't suspicious about this. Bob just admitted he lied about two different parts of his claim and conveniently is a one-shot that cleared the most townie player in the game

I'm not buying it

I'm a VT

[Black]

The way Bob claimed was off, and now we know he lied about it. This is probably who I want to lim today

I think Hu Tao is probably town if Bob flips red but I'm still uncomfortable with her barely playing the game and then aggressively pushing for a mass claim

I still think Dannflor is probably scum

Bob/Dann/x

[Black]

The way Bob claimed was off, and now we know he lied about it. This is probably who I want to lim today

I think Hu Tao is probably town if Bob flips red but I'm still uncomfortable with her barely playing the game and then aggressively pushing for a mass claim

I still think Dannflor is probably scum

Bob/Dann/x

I’m not a fan of eliminating Dann still, but I am also a little concerned about Bob admitting to lying, even if the lie didn’t amount to much aside from not getting eliminated for a day.

But at the same time, I also did a bad gambit earlier this weekend that didn’t have the impact I wanted, and I feel like scum lying about being a cop would probably try to get a guilty on someone instead of an innocent, right? Again, I don’t feel like it makes sense to me.

The point of Bob's claim if he's scum is to clear himself. In this scenario Bob did the right scum play by clearing Hu Tao who was already townread by pretty much everyone. This made is so Bob didn't have to clear a player that people felt was null or scummy, keeping the options open for the fade. It doesn't make sense for Bob to hard bus a teammate here and reveal scum. They are already in a good position

[Black]

VOTE: gob

Thoughts on Bob?

[Black]

VOTE: gob

Thoughts on Bob?

I still think he’s town

I suspected he was lying yesterday but i don’t really see scum motivations for doing so

I think the motivation would be to plant the seed of hope that he could get another result. I don't see the town motivation in lying and then not owning up to it before the Day ended

[Black]

Let's go back to his initial chain of pt cop. Under what circumstances was it made?

yeah cats out of the bag, but the claim was made before anyone else claimed 1shot xcop.

Was he under pressure at all?

No. I was asking about his Hu Tao read and he freaked out and claimed and accused me of role fishing

[Black]

If everyone in the entire world thinks Dann is town then I guess I will outsource my read there

[Black]

Ok that's fair, I can see that

[Black]

Why would you target one of your top townreads over someone like Merlyn who was one of your top scumreads?

[Black]

VOTE: AnimatedWiz

[Black]

pisskop said gob next i thought so i was waiting

I want you to claim now

[Black]

Why would you target one of your top townreads over someone like Merlyn who was one of your top scumreads?

The town was already pretty suspicious of Merlyn, so I didn't feel like getting info on who I assumed would be eliminated next anyway would be a good use of my 1-shot. Andante was suspicious of me and I didn't think they would be NKed or elimmed until late game, so I figured it would pay off more.

I don't like this reasoning. Not checking Merlyn because she's suspicious and will probably be faded next is wild. You check her to see if she was being set up for a D2 miselim or if she's actually scum like you think. Checking someone you think is probably town makes way less sense. Again, here's a case of someone claiming cop and revealing convenient results. I think one of bob/Annie is lying about their role, and I'm starting to see motivation why bob did what he did

Let's fade Annie today

[Black]

Oh, nice, we have another confirmed townie then! That's actually really good for us.

This is performative and probably fake

[Black]

but like, please assume some level of incompetence here instead of deception

It's a game of Mafia so I'm always going to be afraid of people deceiving me. But I will consider incompetence as well as everyone else's read on you

[Black]

UNVOTE:

Can someone explain the anonymous thing to a mech illiterate player?

[Black]

The way Bob claimed was off, and now we know he lied about it. This is probably who I want to lim today

I think Hu Tao is probably town if Bob flips red but I'm still uncomfortable with her barely playing the game and then aggressively pushing for a mass claim

I still think Dannflor is probably scum

Bob/Dann/x

How am I barely playing?

I think out of everyone playing you've probably given the least amount of reads, and when you give them you give the least amount of reasoning. You're just kinda lurky and coasting

[Black]

Okay

Charles/JV is a mason with me

If we just mass claimed yesterday and not voted out clear town in blackstar this game could be solved already imo.

"Clear town" lol. You voted for him

[Black]

The way Bob claimed was off, and now we know he lied about it. This is probably who I want to lim today

I think Hu Tao is probably town if Bob flips red but I'm still uncomfortable with her barely playing the game and then aggressively pushing for a mass claim

I still think Dannflor is probably scum

Bob/Dann/x

How am I barely playing?

I think out of everyone playing you've probably given the least amount of reads, and when you give them you give the least amount of reasoning. You're just kinda lurky and coasting

I think you're just not reading me then

Please show me where you explained why you think Merlyn is scum

[Black]

I read where you said you would prefer someone else but you would hammer if you needed to and then you hammered 30 minutes later

I don't want to continue this conversation because I don't think it's productive. I would just like it if you explained your reads a little

[Black]

Hu Tao can you go into detail why you scumread Merlyn?

[Black]

black and ande absurd death tunnels on me

In what world was I death tunneling you by asking you to elaborate on your Hu Tao read?

[Black]

I'm ok with a gob fade. I feel like we're getting deep wolfed though

[Black]

Why is everyone rushing Titus XD

Like Day 3 just started. Chill

[Black]

VOTE: Gob

[Black]

I kinda wanna fade the vengeful miller for the lols

[Black]

VOTE: Titus

I say we do this and if she's telling the truth then she can take Gob with her

[Black]

Fine. Ya'll are no fun

VOTE: Gob

[Black]

Black, you’ve been really hungry to quickelim all game. I know you’re probably town based on N1, but I don’t think that strategy has been helping us out too much.

I completely disagree with this assessment of me. I'm just placing my vote. I haven't been hungry for a quickelim and I'm not hungry for it now

[Black]

Who’s arguing to end the day early? Don’t

No one

[Black]

UNVOTE: while this plays out

[Black]

Black, you’ve been really hungry to quickelim all game. I know you’re probably town based on N1, but I don’t think that strategy has been helping us out too much.

I completely disagree with this assessment of me. I'm just placing my vote. I haven't been hungry for a quickelim and I'm not hungry for it now

I mean, you might not be

intending

it to be that way, but you were also on both the Andante and Hu Tao wagons within an hour of D2 starting. Still think that’s not extremely pro-town.

I'm sorry if I'm not extremely pro-town lol

[Black]

This is like the 7th post Wiz has essentially said "Black is probably town but blah blah blah"

I think it's correct to doubt my clear but this feels more like Wiz shading me so that he can push me when he needs to

I don't like it

[Black]

Titus is a she bud

[Black]

If gob flips town it's probably something like Titus/Dannflor/Wiz

[Black]

I think Dann is obvscum and we're going to get steamrolled by the deep wolves

[Black]

who the hell are the deep wolves in your estimation

You and Wiz

[Black]

who the hell are the deep wolves in your estimation

You and Wiz

those would be incredibly shallow wolves

???

Not really. You two are widely townread

[Black]

who the hell are the deep wolves in your estimation

You and Wiz

those would be incredibly shallow wolves

???

Not really. You two are widely townread

Me and Dann have been the 3rd/4th wagons both D1 and D2, I think. Someone like you or Hu Tao would be actually deep since you have potential clears.

What is the point of arguing with me about what is a deep wolf and what isn't? I think you and Dann are scum. It doesn't matter if you're deep or shallow

[Black]

VOTE: gob

It’s really down to whether we vote for him or Titus. Y’all can make your choices, but I think this is the smarter move.

What's the point of placing this vote if you truly are concerned about rushing the day?

Why do we have a Miller with no regular cop?

Isn't this a great question? I'm not a mech person but how does a miller make sense here?

[Black]

I want Titus to kill Dannflor

[Black]

Annie's 2410 feels unnatural considering their previous stance on rushing the day. I think he's trying to save Titus

[Black]

Isn't this a great question? I'm not a mech person but how does a miller make sense here?

it's not

a recent game ran with like 7 millers and no cops

Link? This doesn't sound normal

[Black]

VOTE: Titus

[Black]

hi everyone

does anyone really genuinely believe gob is town? do you have good reasons for town reading gob? can you post them now?

are they reasons other than the fact you think scum are "deepwolves" or that you are just "annoyed" by titus?

like I don't think I've seen anyone explicitly state they town read gob and just LOOOK at gob's behavior

the way they have just popped in to give the bare minimum content possible looks like they know they are going to die and want to give the minimum amount of information possible about who their scum team mates are

this is really just scum

and we please just kill this today instead of chasing our tails?

I understand why people want to kill Titus

I am ON BOARD

but we can just do it tomorrow with more information on the table for Titus to work with and make her vengekill

is there a decent argument against that plan? I am willing to listen and be wrong about this

VOTE: titus

Did you talk yourself out of your own plan that quickly?

[Black]

GG! Thank you Sky for the wonderful game

[Black]

Yeah I hate how wrong I was about Dann but clearing that slot up was probably good

Ily Dann!

[Black]

I was soo close to stopping 2 of the scum NKs.

Thanks for letting us see!

You're goated

[Black]

I think I remember at one point Black accusing me of being afraid of her and therefore being likely the person who tried to kill her N1 or something along those lines—and that was totally true, which was

terrifying

.

I remember having to take a step back when I saw that and make sure I didn’t panic post in response—some of y’all really were onto us at several points early on.

My weakness as town is not having the conviction to rally others to my cause. And then I just go down rabbit holes and tin foil theories to the point where I lose track of my original solve

[Black]

Yeah Wiz you played great!!

[Black]

Merlyn your new avi is great

+1! Absolutely adorable