Mini Normal 2313: I am sitting in a room (game over)

[gob]

Sup

[gob]

Damn... heated already

[gob]

Um, welcome Gob! Let us know when you catch up so we can ask you about your reads and everything.

I'll be caught up by tonight and if not then, then tonight tomorrow (as in 8 hours from this post and then like 30 hours if not that)

What happened in your own words? What should i focus on? Who is the most sussed person right now? Who has never/rarely been sussed in the game?

Everyone can answer these questions for me.

[gob]

Looks like Mrelyn or Brightbluebug is a wolf.

[gob]

LOL why are there 3 people with "Black" in their name.

Dannflor, I 3-2-1 type wagons usually means mafia resistance on one of the top wagons.

Merlyn, Black, Dannflor, AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao, Afrayed Knott, Andante, BlackStar

This is my PoE for today. All the people who were on Knott.

VOTE: Merlyn

[gob]

oh its bluebug not blackbug

[gob]

Black seems scummy here

[gob]

dude im just like so not interested in reading lol

[gob]

Black seems scummy here

Why do you think Merlyn and bluebug might be wolves?

it looked like both wagons had resistance against each other (3-2 votes) so I called it out. I already explained this btw.

I had different thoughts about both later. I've forgotten all my reads to be honest.

[gob]

Hey there, fellow Mafia enthusiasts!

Hi Charles! This post was really cute

vote Generic

This made me lol

Must be dog people

scoffs

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VOTE: BlackStar

There can be only one black

There’s no need for black on black crime lol

Lol this was pretty funny

[gob]

it looked like both wagons had resistance against each other (3-2 votes) so I called it out. I already explained this btw.

Why does this suggest one of them is scum? Have you never seen two competing town wagons before or something?

If one wagon is happening, and another comes up in response, sometimes it is scum trying to save their partner. I looked at the wagon and felt that was possible. Not saying it's 100%. I mainly said that so I could imprint myself onto the thread.

[gob]

My first game featured a quickhammer D1, so I’m a bit reluctant to throw out a vote super early (since I was the first to vote for that person). I respect the suspicion, though.

I mean, my issue is more your post reads as nervous scum to post, like, no thoughts on anything else posted?
it's like, your post just feels a lot more like an awkward scum entrance than towny one, I understand not wanting to vote, but like, you're putting more focus on why you're not voting, implying you wanna wait forever to vote, and based on your posts so far, you're putting more focus on "I don't wanna vote" than "I think my reads are this"

which is why I think you're scum, idk what charles is doing, but it feels like scum trying to pull attention away from a partner, so that's how I SR you both (you're the stronger sr) and the 2 voting you are my town leans cause that was honestly my reaction

Could you two not have this coaching chat in the scum chat and save me having to read the wall post?

Cheers

In fact brightbluebug, I will give you a few bits to be aware of to start you off.
Apologies if this is patronising, just trying to help.

I’ve been mod cleared as town. I’m a role known as the innocent child. Basically my existence makes your pool to find mafia in smaller, but also gives mafia a free hit night 1.

If you are town, you will need to consider who’s lying to you. Which is a lot harder by text but it is not impossible. Human beings are predictable by nature. You need to consider what you know about liars in real life and try and look for tells.

If you are scum, I would ask your scum chat for advice

Did anyone call out this hypocrisy?

[gob]

I think it was a joke actually

[gob]

LOL look guys im gonna post as I catch up as people are more likely to read it that way. If I call out some dead townies as scum, forgive me.

[gob]

you could just like, look at the flips

but also you claim to have done that already in 1179 so maybe you are just scum

I forgot basically everything about this game from before today. I've been busy with other games and my new job, but I should be good to go now.

[gob]

Andante is voting two people at the EoD1

[gob]

Afrayed Knott

(7): Merlyn, Black, Dannflor, AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao,

Afrayed Knott

, Andante
BlackStar (1):

pisskop

AnimatedWiz (1): Gumiguy
Hu Tao (1): BlackStar

Gumiguy (1): Andante

Not Voting
(3): brightbluebug, bob3141, Charles510

Okay.
Merlyn is probably not the wolf, they were first on Afayed. Usually scum hops on later. Not saying Merlyn is clear, but they're not the lynch today.
Black is also probably not wolf (i read up to page 5 and I liked their posts too actually) for similar reasons.
Dannflor I didn't like #30 so they're a scum lean.
AnimatedWiz I think is town, their opening posts read like nervous town and how many people immediately sussed them makes it hard to think they're mafia.
Hu Tao honestly don't remember anything
Andante I did like their posting early on, how they voted EoD1 (jumping onto Knott wagon last minute),

I would appreciate if someone who knew Andante better could help me here

. I liked their solvy posts early on, but I don't like their voting. Is Andante good at faking towny tone as scum?

[Dannflor, animatedwiz, hu tao, andante] + [BlackStar, brightbluebug, bob3141, JacksonVirgo]
First one group almost certainly contains at least one mafia if we follow wagonomics (which we should). There is at least one wolf, maybe 2 or more. Second group is the wolves off the wagon (as wolf team doesn't want to all vote the same person day 1). I believe Charles/Jackson was not around EoD1 though.

@blackstar
@brightbluebug
@bob3141
Were any of you not here EoD1?

[gob]

Is wigglytuff actually

I'm pretty sure it's jigglypuff

Lol this gif is ancient though. From 2015. Don't even have the file anymore

[gob]

Dannflor, animatedwiz, hu tao, andante

This can be shortened IAnimatedwiz and Hu Tao, they were both voted Day 1. Dannflor and Andante were not even voted Day 1. Dannflor and Andante are potential deepwolves, but I would rather vote someone who had votes on them early (as mafia usually starts distancing early). Dannflor and Andante are good night checks.

BlackStar, brightbluebug, bob3141, JacksonVirgo
We'll see what they have to say.

[gob]

a correction

VC 1.22 was inaccurate and has been fixed. It originally had Andante voting Gumiguy in addition to voting Afrayed Knott.

Hohohohoh

@Dannflor
Guess you missed something

[gob]

idk gob it looks like you're trying to look like you are solving without actually solving

??? But i am literally solving

[gob]

you should vote someone

I'm waiting for people to answer somethngf

[gob]

you should vote someone

I'm waiting for people to answer somethngf

I think I might be missing some subtext here, but what are you asking those 4 people in 1240, exactly?

Whether they were "at EoD1" by their own standards. As in they were present around 12 hours before EoD and understood what was happening.

[gob]

bob < bug < Charles/Jackson

[gob]

gob and blackstar what are your raeds on each other?

I am null on BlackStar, basically.

[BlackStar, brightbluebug, bob3141, JacksonVirgo]

I think this is a pretty rock solid PoE from the Day 1 wagon. I've explained why before but if people need another explanation I can do it again.

Brightbluebug and Jackson/Charlie were the most recent to post and be off any wagon entirely.

Charlie/Jackson I gave that slot a pass before, but they actually posted the most recent of any of the non-voters. It was only one post though.

Between the two though BBB was way more active so VOTE: brightbluebug

[gob]

bob < bug < Charles/Jackson

Why Jackson and Bob?

And if you don’t trust Bob, do you then not trust Hu Tao?

Yes I think Hu Tao or you is almost certainly mafia. Maybe both.

Jackson is mainly from Charles at EoD1. It's not really relevant, frankly.
Bob idk. They were not around at EoD1 at all. If I said something before about Bob then I stand by that.

[gob]

gumiguy/gob is outed scum

merlyn and bluebug are slightly less obvious but also frozen scum

Lol what? I do agree on bluebug though.

[gob]

gumiguy/gob is outed scum

merlyn and bluebug are slightly less obvious but also frozen scum

How is gob anywhere near outted scum?

gumiguy's ISO is not a town one. I think if you compare and contrast with someone like Animated Wizard who has stated confidence issues / unsureness, Gumiguy's is fake. It's very performative and I think when pressed the natural town response is to have opinions. Gumiguy seemed to be trying to garner town reads for not having opinions and was very aware of that.

gob is just trying very hard to look town without doing anything that's actually towny.

all of his stances are things that are very easy to backtrack on or aren't based on anything people can actually argue over - like a player's content or stances

he comes in with some "solving" in 1177 and 1179 that I don't think town ever starts with, it's totally not based on content and instead meaningless conjecture based on wagon sizes

also notice gob completely retracts everything said here later

1237 is a scum post because because again, it's trying to look like solving but actually does nothing. The stances here are weak as fuck

the questions here are meaningless. the question about andante and the questions to blackstar, brightbluebug, and bob are *BUSY WORK*. A town player would seek these answers for themselves or have a strong opinion already.

the majority of the solving here is again based on "wagonomics" and not on actually scum reading anyone's play. It's very hard to argue against for anyone and instead reads as trying to look town without stepping on anyone's toes.

I think this is exactly how scum wants to play that is already in hot water and their buddies are in hot water too

>gob is just trying very hard to look town without doing anything that's actually towny.
you said this before by saying i was trying to pretend to solve. Even though I took my PoE of 4 and 4, shortened it to 2 and 4, and now I've decided on one. You're either trying to shade me or just ignorant.

>all of his stances are things that are very easy to backtrack on or aren't based on anything people can actually argue over - like a player's content or stances
It's completely the opposite though. I looked at player's votes (which is the strongest 'stance' they can have) and explained why certain players are scummier than others based on how the wagon went.

In the sense that I have a PoE i can backtrack by saying "ohhh I was wrong sorry it's actually Dannflor lol" and use the same logic, but we'll also have the Day 2 wagon to analyze and that lowers the PoE even more.

>he comes in with some "solving" in 1177 and 1179 that I don't think town ever starts with, it's totally not based on content and instead meaningless conjecture based on wagon sizes
These posts are made to establish my presence in the game thread and dump off my early thoughts.

>also notice gob completely retracts everything said here later
What's wrong with that?

>1237 is a scum post because because again, it's trying to look like solving but actually does nothing. The stances here are weak as fuck
How are the stances weak as fuck? Just because you either don't understand wagonomics and how it

mechanically

is always accurate or don't agree with the logic behind it is irrelevant.

This all comes off to me as you just don't understand what I am doing so you are calling it weak, frankly.

>the questions here are meaningless. the question about andante and the questions to blackstar, brightbluebug, and bob are *BUSY WORK*. A town player would seek these answers for themselves or have a strong opinion already.
I just replaced in, give me a break. And how are they busy work? Lol. I asked those three because I want to hear from their own mouths how they went about EoD1.

>the majority of the solving here is again based on "wagonomics" and not on actually scum reading anyone's play. It's very hard to argue against for anyone and instead reads as trying to look town without stepping on anyone's toes.
PEOPLES VOTES ARE THEIR PLAY. Also how am I not stepping on anyone's toes? Seems I stepped on yours quite a bit.

[gob]

bob < bug < Charles/Jackson

Why Jackson and Bob?

And if you don’t trust Bob, do you then not trust Hu Tao?

Yes I think Hu Tao or you is almost certainly mafia. Maybe both.

Jackson is mainly from Charles at EoD1. It's not really relevant, frankly.
Bob idk. They were not around at EoD1 at all. If I said something before about Bob then I stand by that.

I don't think you read the game this superficially and also say things like "Hu Tao or you is almost certainly mafia"

I may have just replaced in but I think I understand the gamestate better than you

You gonna keep shitting on my reads by just saying "they're scummy" and "he's just pretending to solve"

I mean if this is your way of solving, i'll stick to wagonomics.

[gob]

Actually Black is right

VOTE: BlackStar

[gob]

Gob do you think Dann is misguided town or scum pushing you?

If they keep pushing the same way then they're scum.

Right now I lean misguided town though. They basically just do not want to understand a different way of solving.

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Actually Black is right

VOTE: BlackStar

Can you elaborate?

BlackStar had 5 votes day 1 and then the wagon ultimately failed.

Bluebug is scummy but I was tunneling around the not-voting thing a bit too much. Fundamentally there isn't much of a difference between not-voting and being off the main wagon.

[gob]

BlackStar had 5 votes day 1 and then the wagon ultimately failed.

cause they self voted, that tends to kill wagons... what a concept

To be honest I've never heard of that.

[gob]

Like self-voting killing a wagon. I feel like it's usually the opposite.

Anyway they had 4-5 votes depending on how you look at it, while bluebug had 3.

Andante btw, I find pretty towny based off how they played early Day 1. I feel like they were the main person bringing the game out of RVS.

[gob]

VOTE: bug
fine gob can live till tomorrow, I'm not going outside these 2 though

What?
Jumping on it the second I stop voting em? How do you think me and bug being partners btw?

[gob]

VOTE: Titus

[gob]

@gob Why did you get off BlackStar?

Lol i just wanted to vote you for no particular reason

[gob]

If you're Titus then I'm Tidus

[gob]

@gob

Who do you scum read right now?

You, Jackson, i still would like to get bug too. I'll know more tomorrow though.

[gob]

I don't want blackstar anymore I think. I'd rather vote elsewhere

Ummmm what happened?

[gob]

lol

[gob]

bug didnt like their eod1, same with jackson/charlie. Charlie i also found their opening weird, not really readable though frankly.

You, I think your voting day 1 makes no sense. You were self-voting and then jumped on someone totally inconsequential in Blackstar. It's just clear you didnt want to vote a towny with TMI. i also agree with black's logic, you were the c-wagon that failed and have resistance on your wagon.

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bug didnt like their eod1, same with jackson/charlie. Charlie i also found their opening weird, not really readable though frankly.

You, I think your voting day 1 makes no sense. You were self-voting and then jumped on someone totally inconsequential in Blackstar. It's just clear you didnt want to vote a towny with TMI. i also agree with black's logic, you were the c-wagon that failed and have resistance on your wagon.

What specifically did you not like about Bug and Charlie’s end of D1? This is like pulling teeth lol

After my self vote, I voted for Hu Tao. She was one of the main people who pushed for my wagon to go through at that point, so how could you call her inconsequential?

I already explained my logic and everything before. I was merely being nice restating it here.

If it's so hard to grill me in the present then go read my iso.

[gob]

Titus' attitude is off putting. Way too commanding for someone who showed up.

[gob]

Titus' attitude is off putting. Way too commanding for someone who showed up.

Commanding? Aside from asking bob not to check me, what have I asked for?

Also, are you implying my posts are less valuable because I arrived later and my play would be fine if I started here?

yea

[gob]

gob and blackstar what are your raeds on each other?

I am null on BlackStar, basically.

[BlackStar, brightbluebug, bob3141, JacksonVirgo]

I think this is a pretty rock solid PoE from the Day 1 wagon. I've explained why before but if people need another explanation I can do it again.

Brightbluebug and Jackson/Charlie were the most recent to post and be off any wagon entirely.

Charlie/Jackson I gave that slot a pass before, but they actually posted the most recent of any of the non-voters. It was only one post though.

Between the two though BBB was way more active so VOTE: brightbluebug

So this is it?

Lol, why are you downplaying it?

[gob]

gob v blackstar feels like scum theatre the way they are macho man bravadoing talking at each other

it feels performative

BRUH LOL

[gob]

gob isn’t voting titus for reasons that actually make her scum

Gob is voting titus because he doesn’t like her attitude

I’ve read games with town gob before and he can certainly make real reads, real gut reads based off people’s behavior and actions

There’s a startling lack of that from gob this game

I'm not even going to vote Titus at EoD. I was just placing my vote on them for funsies. Relax.

[gob]

@Black

Do I go BlackStar or Dannflor?

[gob]

bro ngl black's avatar makes me uncomfortabl e

[gob]

@Black

Do I go BlackStar or Dannflor?

Who is scummier to you?

Blackstar

[gob]

It's NOT fair

[gob]

@Black

Do I go BlackStar or Dannflor?

Who is scummier to you?

Blackstar

Can you go into this thought more? Why is BlackStar scummier than Dann in your mind?

BlackStsts voting history is more wcummy. Being off wagon olus getting 4 coges yesterday

[gob]

shut up titus and dannflor

you guys are both annoying af lol

[gob]

VOTE: Titus

[gob]

Titus and Dannflor are scum for sure here

[gob]

Its clearly Dannflor (fake pushes) and titus (teying to push misfades)

we need to get them today or else

[gob]

We wait on Gob. There really is no rush

This.

Dannflor and titus then me. I wont be wrong on both though

[gob]

We wait on Gob. There really is no rush

This.

Dannflor and titus then me. I wont be wrong on both though

Claim in your next post or you are bring voted out. You go first.

1-shot babysitter cop

sorry ive been busy

[gob]

bg

[gob]

I fucked up bad getting booted, if I had more time I really think I could've got off there. But outside of that I'm not sure we would've won, the game was tight.