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[bob3141]

Hi wil be catching up after dinner

[bob3141]

First pass in my catch up and i think norweig is town. They feels just like they were last game after a quick scan of there iso.


Also my gut says one of the millers is prob scum. Town normaly has 4ish pr vs 3 scum. so it would make sense if it was intended to weaken the role like how a neap cant tell the difference between town pr and scum. Although impossible to be sure at this stage for now

[bob3141]

Thats never a efficient way of looking at things as although one can speculate on set up its the best way to narrow things down. As person own reads on player interfere with the belief in their claim. So it becomes not so much who out of millers is more liekly to be scum but which players you already scum read.

[bob3141]

How do you read each of the millers individually then?

Not looked at sheep at all yet but i am currently looking at flav and alisae in my current pass on catch up now. Although as everyone knows scum Flav can be oilly to catch.

[bob3141]

Thats never a efficient way of looking at things as although one can speculate on set up its the best way to narrow things down. As person own reads on player interfere with the belief in their claim. So it becomes not so much who out of millers is more liekly to be scum but which players you already scum read.

And you just said basically my gut isn’t efficient while bringing up a gut read of yours

Your welcome to say my gut reads arnt efficient

Just pointing out will not be looking at them through their miller claims.

[bob3141]

How do you read each of the millers individually then?

Not looked at sheep at all yet but i am currently looking at flav and alisae in my current pass on catch up now. Although as everyone knows scum Flav can be oilly to catch.

I literally claimed Miller in my first post of this game. This makes me LESS oily because I don’t get to claim to get me out of stuff.

I will Never in my life claim Miller as Mill ever again after this game

I always call you oilly. Didnt say you were scum or town. Just from experience when you scum you are very oily to catch. Think trying to catch an eel

[bob3141]

mm ok so fire claimed to have been blocked n1. cant see the advantage if scum unless its a gambit. so if flav flips town then its prob not an elaborate scum gambit. so if flav is town im feeling that implies a town fire. So for now im going class fire as town lean

[bob3141]

RN is acting very different to last game I was in with him where he was scum. This vibe is 180 so I want to Town read it.

This is pretty much were i am with nurse as well at the moment.

[bob3141]

mm leaning towards Flav being town. Unless scum are informed about something i cant see Scum flav using a miller claim so early. He likes to do gambits but it doesnt look like enough time to actualy come up with a plan if it was a gambit. As he does prefer to be the first scum down so that there is so much oil around his flip that his partners are hard to find. And even hard to actual get executed when a player solves

[bob3141]

First pass in my catch up and i think norweig is town. They feels just like they were last game after a quick scan of there iso.


Also my gut says one of the millers is prob scum. Town normaly has 4ish pr vs 3 scum. so it would make sense if it was intended to weaken the role like how a neap cant tell the difference between town pr and scum. Although impossible to be sure at this stage for now

Would u bet the game on Norwee being town?

Why the bet on norwee rather than fire, flav or nurse who im feeling are town

[bob3141]

Ive just played a game with norw not long ago and they ended up being clearly towny and I just get same impression from their posts. And those captions are just so disarming lol

I only bet the game on something like a player rolling scum 4 times in row prior being town in this game. I know its falsy but using a probality to boost hypothesis solving is far easier then starting from blank.

[bob3141]

My current solve is quite interesting with the osuka and tak wagons. As if my current reads are right then the early votes on the wagon and the execution are dominated by town players. So either i have read wrong or i have feeling i can determine info

[bob3141]

It’s a question that gauges your Norwee tr strength.

Its a foolish question to ask. i repped in lunch time and have only had 30-60 mins to catch up on long thread. How strong do you expect my read to me.

[bob3141]

correction dinner time

[bob3141]

Flav trys to manipulate everything. If he is town and scum aswell trying to look like he is try to manipulate his partner whne is scum.

In general i mostly ignor Flav actual words and just look at what he has actualy done

[bob3141]

that posts just chit chat


i have 137 pages to catch up on :-p give me a little time. i normaly spend hours on just 10 page stetch so 137 is going to take time

[bob3141]

One thing to always know i only ever post less than 1/10 of what my actual reads are in any game. Not great at explain soem of them so i stopped long ago and just keep those bit concise

[bob3141]

But at the moment im leaning town tak.

The wagon doesnt feel like it on scum. Based on time of day and the comp and how easy it broke down once formed doesnt lead me to think it was scum heavy. Could easily be all town.

Scum are less likely to jump on a wagon that is being pushed by allot of eager town players.

[bob3141]

But at the moment im leaning town tak.

The wagon doesnt feel like it on scum. Based on time of day and the comp and how easy it broke down once formed doesnt lead me to think it was scum heavy. Could easily be all town.

Scum are less likely to jump on a wagon that is being pushed by allot of eager town players.

can you give reasons, other than tone/wagon composition?

Nothing to do with tone. more game theory, its how i do my solves.

Why it takes me tiem to catch up as ai have to follow thread through the game to see if it clashes. Which is hint of incorrect assumption

[bob3141]

i'd bet the game on it.

i dont even care repercussions tbh.

full on focusing here cuz i know it's scum

Roden is not town.

Their osuka read was garbo. Their sakura read was garbo, and you letting scum control the game.

Any time I am ever this hard discredited in the game, I am town nearing the right solve.

Just a fact.

Believe it or not, post game I am vindicated

Nope thats just ego

seen you pleanty of times being very wrong as town. And 2 days tiem you might say that about a different solves and flip back to the origianal and then to a 3rd solve all with same wording.

[bob3141]

i'd bet the game on it.

i dont even care repercussions tbh.

full on focusing here cuz i know it's scum

Roden is not town.

Their osuka read was garbo. Their sakura read was garbo, and you letting scum control the game.

Any time I am ever this hard discredited in the game, I am town nearing the right solve.

Just a fact.

Believe it or not, post game I am vindicated

Nope thats just ego

seen you pleanty of times being very wrong as town. And 2 days tiem you might say that about a different solves and flip back to the origianal and then to a 3rd solve all with same wording.

Eh, I'm right more often than not still.

But thats a matter of averages not your certainty at any given time.

[bob3141]

But thats a matter of averages not your certainty at any given time.

this is trivial shit to be engaging fl on
do something productive ty

the defense against Takutai is wild. Random, Norwegian, Dunnstral, Bob.

scum is for sure in that too, especially if Takutai ends up being town (I dont think so tbh)

i could believe its dunn. Either im wrong on tak or right i can see it from an interplay point from both directions. Either tak is town and scum saw it being pushed by strong down and sat back or tak is scum and scum didnt feel threatened.

From posting its clearly not norw and random feels different this game but cant be 100% that it inst just becasue we have more active posting. That game i kept feelign scum from them that game but in this one i dont. And obvous im me so i know im town

[bob3141]

But thats a matter of averages not your certainty at any given time.

this is trivial shit to be engaging fl on
do something productive ty

the defense against Takutai is wild. Random, Norwegian, Dunnstral, Bob.

scum is for sure in that too, especially if Takutai ends up being town (I dont think so tbh)

i could believe its dunn. Either im wrong on tak or right i can see it from an interplay point from both directions. Either tak is town and scum saw it being pushed by strong down and sat back or tak is scum and scum didnt feel threatened.

From posting its clearly not norw and random feels different this game but cant be 100% that it inst just becasue we have more active posting. That game i kept feelign scum from them that game but in this one i dont. And obvous im me so i know im town

I would like you to explain this further.

what about not norwegian clearly from posting exactly

because i think there posts have been garbo

It doesnt matter what you think of the quality of their reads.

Tone for tone, Voting paterns and gneral read structure are identicial to the my last completed game with them.

Were as nurse and dunn arnt. Nurse was scum and dunn town that game

[bob3141]

I also dont like how dunn hasnt cast any votes at all this game. Which matches my current interpretation of some of the wagon/vote movements.

If he was town this type of activity would actualy be detrimental to town as it drops the effective e-x level by one.

VOTE: Dunn

[bob3141]

The thing that's really starting to annoy me is that people are acting as if all these Miller claims mean they MUST be Town.

Did it ever occur to anyone that Scum could be informed about there being one or more Millers in the game?

Prob a good chance that they are.

[bob3141]

The thing that's really starting to annoy me is that people are acting as if all these Miller claims mean they MUST be Town.

Did it ever occur to anyone that Scum could be informed about there being one or more Millers in the game?

thats been like the basis of the talk around the millers.

Exactly, and yet the problem persists that players are presuming they must be Town. An informed Scum could easily use it like a shield.

Yeah, but i dont think they did this game.

I was pushing it as Alisae for a while.

Honestly really fucking annoyed I do the correct thing as a Miller, and yet because it's me, it somehow is the mechanically most likely scum

yeah fucking right

I have no doubt you would do such a claim as both alignments.

[bob3141]

I don’t like getting prodded so here I am but I have nothing meaningful to say

Sorry for lack of availability

Hi sheep.

[bob3141]

Norw its alway best to take flavs claims with pinch of salt after all he so often fake claims even as town. Ive seen him make 6 fake claims in a single day as town

[bob3141]

Flav i hope your not faking claiming again as town simply because your not getting your way on who to execute again. Last time i played with you when you did this they flipped town

[bob3141]

If you have informed, it makes sense to want to bus it with what's going on in the game.
Hu Tao is obviously mafia and they want Roden.
Nurse ALSO said if they were kingmaker, they would kill Roden.

Takutai is very confident in Roden being mafia.

If Roden is informed, I think Hu Tao and Nurse would definitely be open to bussing it, and Roden I think would be onboard and playing how they're supposed to be playing. I still think Roden can be town though so I think getting Nurse + Takutai is just better?

I would definitely be playing it this way and would be open to getting bussed. But uh not for that kind of scum team. If Taku seriously is Koba then they would also know this due to the SCP game a couple years back.

Btw if they are Koba then it's literally in their meta to antagonize me as scum. Like maybe that sounds weird but the two (possibly three if I'm right about an alt) times they rolled scum against me they either hard scum read me and/or went out of their way to upset me so I'd play emotionally. Otherwise, as town and out-of-game, they brag that I'm an easy read.

Same. That’s 2 meta reads pointing to Takutai scum

what do you think based on what roden has said. where tak cant be koba due to beign in game koba reviewed

[bob3141]

If town pr has anything they will claim or just soft.

this is arguably worse

Hu Tao is obv scum. If I die, you’ll know that anyways.

Hmm ok.
Unless Flavour attempted to set up a future cop claim i suppose i’m leaning towards the claim being real.
Besides they already went hard on being miller so setting up another claim if that failed is a bit too much tinfoil for me to care on day 2.

I’ll trust it.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I would never trust Flav claims as town unless its day 4 or so. Seen him countless times get frustrated as town and fake a guilty of player just to get one of his scum reads through.

[bob3141]

Yep agaisn somethign flav would still do if he saw value but even more so what he would do as town. last time he started doing something liek this he triggered a mass claim day 2 which outed me as the gunsmith

[bob3141]

If they are town they should know we never let them live if Hu Tao doesn’t flip scum.

Flav wouldnt care if he thinks he has set up his partners for the win. And town flav would just be certain that hu is scum and risk it

[bob3141]

Like i said.

If FL is scum then he crumbed an Hu Tao guilty, kept up the miller claim for a long time. Then claimed the guilty as a fake claim later to… kill Hu Tao and save Dunnstral?
And make themselves conf!scum by day 3?

In this case scum FL and town HU would mean a town dunn.

If Hu is scum then FL is less likely scum as he would be eventually counter claimed. And with one scum left FLav would of pulled such a stunt much later. And with Flav usual fake claims as town he really is only right 50%ish of teh time as he admits his town strength is not his reads but he reevaluates his reads as teh game goes on. But day 2 as town Flavs reads can be very wrong at times. They can be very right like teh game he vigged scum N1 while i was gunsmithing that same players.

[bob3141]

I would still say that the odds that Hu is scum is not bad. As i dont disagree with flavs read on Hu

Although i still dont like how dunn hasnt cast a single vote all game. Dunn if your town just pick someone who you think is scum.

[bob3141]

Hard to tell if the reasons Hu Tao is being scum read is simply similar to why players scum read Hu last game.

[bob3141]

Basicly i think flav claims should be looked into when he flips as scum always shoot FL at some point as even if scum arnt feeling the heat a town flav will make it hard for any scum to push their narative.

[bob3141]

Can you clarify what you meant in 563 now Takutai?

No you're scummy and I chose to ignore you once already.

I'm doing some herb I'll deconstruct the fire, tal, alisae, jason and other posible votes soon. I did expect this after all, this is a clutter game and in clutter games some town have the tendency to become lazy, desperate, confused or all of them at once.

Luckily the Osuka wagon is still like 95% a town one so plus mine we already have a lot analyze.

I missed this post somehow and only noticed it because Alisae quoted it.

I agree that the Osuka wagon was townie but I also think it's weird that his wagon melted and Taku's got piled on instead.

Votecount 1.6

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer

votes

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Dunnstral(1):

Firebringer

osuka (4):

Roden, Random Nurse, Sakura Hana, Alisae

Takutai (1):

NorwegianboyEE

Random Nurse (1):

MikhailTal

Firebringer (2):

JasonWazza, Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

Votecount 1.7

With

13

alive, it takes

7

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Takutai (6)

E-1

:

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

Thing is, I feel like Taku's wagon is really pure too? The only one I'm meh on is Fire and

maybe

Jason, and I heavily doubt that both are scum. I think scum are just staying off of the wagons.

Kinda hate that the Osuka wagon evaporated but no one seems interested there atp.

Of course I'm still in a mood for gifts so here's just one thing I thought on earlier the morn: since my pink post I've come to realize that Roden can just be speaking the truth here. Alisae a slot im still wary off

But

C'mon. Dunnstral/Roden/Flavor Leaf lol.

So coming back to this i fully understand why roden said i don't know what's happening this game because day two start i still fully felt my wagon had dirt on it. Makes the Sakura kill make even more sense.

Ok so you think Dunn/roden/FL are 3 possible scum. Since most players day2 are never rigth about teh entire scum team and at this point there is 2 mis-executions before elo. If you found due to flips that you were wrong on 2 of them which would be the next 2 most likely players to eb scum?

[bob3141]

{Norwee FL Sheep Bob} This is the bloc.

+Alisae ofc.

I don't really think it is.

This is how I see today playing out:

Hu Tao, Dunnstral, Random Nurse, Bob.

I'm not certain that all of them are town but judging by dynamics today these are the kingmakers and the players sharp scum would have pocketed long ago.

So why do you town read Hu and Nurse

Also if your so sure Dunn is scum why even mention him in this post. As if dunn was scum he wouldnt be as you say a king maker

[bob3141]

I am Jack's ardent engine of belief but let's say Alisae and Sheep lole.

Are these read scum or null reads. Is it matter that you town read other players more or that you see thing that point to them possibly being sucm. Even if you think others are more likely

[bob3141]

Tak what in duns first posts did you think was scummy. As you said you had a read on him that left you feelign he was informed, what about about his first 3 most made you feel this way?

Also why did you think he was so scum by game post 1000 that you said you would ignor him. A point dunn had only made 8 posts of which 2 were simple posts (no and longer no). How did you already manage to come to a conclusion on his slot that left you feeling that you did not need to sort his slot any more.

At that point i would feel any town players would still be reading dunn as null as 6 proper posts is not enough to accurate read at that point. Regardless of what other players had already postsed in those first 2 days.

[bob3141]

Random Nurse (3): Alisae, sheepsaysmeep, Hu Tao
Hu Tao (3): Firebringer, NorwegianboyEE, Random Nurse
Takutai (2): Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Roden
Dunnstral (1): bob3141
Roden (1): Takutai

3 wagons at 3 votes.

Bob needs to pick a wagon.

Out of the 3 wagosn i prefer Tak.

Leanign scum there as the wagon comp on that day one wagon just feels like town flash wagon.

[bob3141]

Actually fuck it, i'm just going to claim.

I am an informed townie.

I am informed that this setup has exactly 1 cop. This is why Flavours claim i think is real. I was wondering if it was Bob who was the cop at first. But now i think it's obvious it must be FLavour and scum are discrediting it.

Norw dont vote up hu based on Flavs claim. As personaly i m sure he is fake claiming as town

[bob3141]

VOTE: Takutai

[bob3141]

@Bob - you’re one of the only people around that didn’t hypo claim.

Do you mind hypo claiming?

what is a hypo claim

[bob3141]

Hu Tao is town Flav so if your fake claiming as town, just stop it.

[bob3141]

Are you counterclaiming?

Yep im the cop. I counter claimed straight away by saying flav scum or town gambiting

[bob3141]

n1 norw and n2 hu tao

[bob3141]

didnt like how tak wagon went down but was given a choice between a hu tao execution that was prob town. Nurse who i think is town and tak i was unsure on but the first wagon felt like all town.

[bob3141]

That adds up with Jason suddenly town reading Norwe Day 2 after scum reading him Day 1

Idk why you checked Hu Tao instead of me/Dunn/Leaf though

With this gamestate an inno is more powerful then if i got guilty on you.

If flav is scum it stops his gambit by having Hu confirmed and if he is town then it stops a town fail.

[bob3141]

Also I had a change of heart when sleeping. I think flavor is just scum who is informed if norwee is informed.

I forgot we have an Informed player, who's now conftown

Uhhhh yeah 7 town PRs doesn't sound right

millers are anti town power. They weaken the cop to the level of a neap as i can neither confirm or guilty them. IN neap games you often have 3 town pr so in this game instead of me not being able to inno town pr I can not inno the millers. And scum can always hide in the millers

[bob3141]

For fires claim we have to assume A that he was roleblocked or B that strongman was used and that C scum and a bg would also target the same player.

Using occam's razor A is just too unlikely. It would require 3 different actions coinciding. If scum have B then do scum really use it N1 when they know there is good chance there is a Cop.

[bob3141]

I read back and FL was tryign to direct teh cop at Sakura and that night sakura dies.

[bob3141]

I’m kinda annoyed Bob didn’t claim cop earlier so i didn’t falsely clear FL for day 2. but i guess nobody else really was ready to vite FL by then anyways. And we did get more results from Bob.

Yeah i was trying to do psst norw im the cop dont trust FL that day.

[bob3141]

I guarded Roden last night.

Sheep is a weird night kill

Why roden

[bob3141]

Fire with what you know now out of (below) who do you think are the 3 scum

Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Roden, Alisae, Random Nurse

Norw clears me and I clear hu and norw and if you were town you would know that you were town

same question to roden

[bob3141]

flav knowing now that Hu and norw are town whats your solve

[bob3141]

Bob what are your thoughts?

That i just want to get rid of Flav. If he is town then he is going out of his way to make everyone want to execute him

[bob3141]

like i have no qualms about that.

but thinking i could be scum is just low level analysis.

amount of times you have said things like that as scum. Even if you are town you must admit your making you slot so contentious that you would actual be hindrance in elo

[bob3141]

It wasnt me that was shining a light on me being the cop

If it wasnt for your stunt it wouldnt have been even more obvous to extent that i had to be to obvous to be the actual cop.

Either way if you get elo and your town then you will def end up elo misexecution . So either way we have to get over that gamestate now while we still at e-1. If your scum then great, if your town atleast we dont have you misexecuted in elo

[bob3141]

If i had hypo claimed as you say, i would have been as dead as doornail if i had hypo cliamed a clear on norw

[bob3141]

eh, or you could just see im obv town, and convince others.

Not how i play.

[bob3141]

Flav to be frank if you are town your going out of your way to make me policy execute you. So if you town not really advancing towns wincon

[bob3141]

Flav to be frank if you are town your going out of your way to make me policy execute you. So if you town not really advancing towns wincon

Disagree.

Like you said, we're saving me from getting faded in elo, right?

Nope your irritating me

[bob3141]

nope he is only at e-1. when he voted it was e-2

[bob3141]

im think to just hammer you so the dead thread has to deal with you Flav

[bob3141]

like you saying you never self vote as scum in same post you said you have done it twice. Such meta is irrelevant as you either doing teh 3rd self vote as scum or 21st self vote as town.

I would of thought you would be selfaware enough to know that its in irrelevant argument. So if your town just take a break

[bob3141]

Bob who do you think is most strongly scum after today?

personally leaning roden beign a good bet. Either way even at random we have 50% chance of hitting scum


Why i find so obsurd that flav keeps whining at me when i havnt even full decided on his slot beyond that he will be voted him up elo. As atleast one town player will want him if we miss scum day 3

[bob3141]

If everyone apart from flav do you think in the next hour flav's monologue would hit 5 or 10 pages

[bob3141]

flav who were you scum reading before tak flipped day 2

[bob3141]

Flav if you think nurse is scum why do you think no one pushed the fire wagon in response. As at that point fire had 3 votes that we know now were all town

[bob3141]

Flav has very strong tendancy to call players surface level when he is scum

[bob3141]

is that because you have player more games than everyone else

[bob3141]

lets have fun game we count to 10 then hammer. We have to reset the count back to 10 if flav posts. would we be able to get to 8 lol

[bob3141]

Dunn that couldnt of thrown anyone off. As anyone reading could have come to the same concussion. I know its the wrong word but thats what spell check made from my typos


To be honest i got the impression that Flav knew i knew he was fake claiming as I was the cop.

[bob3141]

Bob are you ready to vote out flavor?

Not entirely sure and if we do we should certainly take our time. And the same if we execute someone else.


If flav is town and norw is right on there meta read on alisae. Then that implys dunn/nurse/roden or fire if his claim is false

Flav miller claim is the correct thing to do as town as for him to be scum, scum would need to be informed of the number of millers. So for that to be the case he would only have 8 hours to actual make a plan with ther miller claim. Wouldnt it be just easier to push the millers when they would end up claiming like he did. And it wouldnt even prevent him from claiming miller after the 2nd or 3rd miller claim.


arguement to execute flav would be narrowing down of the millers. But such strat requires fire to be a town protective. As even if scum have a 2 shot strongman he would still be able to prevent scum killing both you and norw before 3 elo.

with 6 uncleared and 1 misexecution,a bg night flip and 2 scum executions that would leave one clear and two uncleared. If one of those is flav then its no more than one miller.

And even if with a scum flav he would still have 2 partners in 5.


now although I do town read nurse at the moment we do know nurse used the strongman n1 as scum last game. If scum only have a 1 shot strongman.

then they cant stop me getting clear or guilty. And if fire is town then he gets nk in my place as scum cant afford not to shot me. which leads to 4 cleared in 7 or 3 clearedand one guilty in 7. If we miss scum prior day then thats 2 scum in 3. which again leads to one clear in elo.

[bob3141]

yep thats what im workign off. Do we do damage control or go for scum.

we have flav that would be damage control

alisea that i defer to norw on as they have allot of meta.

So thats a starting dunn, roden, nurse of which we certainly have one scum and 2 if flav is town.

[bob3141]

i would be happy with dunn as well at the moment.

[bob3141]

The thing is if Flav was scum I dont get why im still alive. if fire is a bg he wouldnt protect me at that point and if they were informed about teh number of millers. Then they would know sheep coulndt be the cop

As unless scum is informed does flav realy tie himself up with a miller fake claim with his first post

[bob3141]

I keep seeing people say there's 3 millers in this game, i don't really get why? When did this get confirmed?

It’s not confirmed, but I could tell Mik slot was a Miller by the way they were acting towards mine.

The 3rd one hasn’t claimed yet, but yeah, there’s subtext about it, so I not gonna out them here

quick question Flav how did you know there was atleats 3 millers back then if only you and one other had claimed

[bob3141]

If Alisae is scum here, they are trying to buddy up to me to make it look like we're scum together.

I do get town vibes from Alisae the past couple pages, but I'm also weak to buddying.

Norwegian is always a good investigate here, I feel.



Sorry, I'm outting you, Alisae.

Alisae has been softing Miller. Do not investigate them. It's WIFOM. I want that out now so we dont have any possible accidents.

I dont really get the scum motivation here unless the scum team is FL/Alisea

If flav is the only scum claiming miller. Why narrow down the pool for teh other 2 when the cop might end up wasting a result on alisea.

[bob3141]

that doesn't make sense

Finally someone calls Alisae out for not making any sense

when FL dies we know he had a guilty on Hu Tao so we can kill Hu Tao after he flips.
I don't mind at all going Nurse > Hu Tao today.
We can always get Hu Tao tomorrow pretty safely as well. Any Vigs that are restraining themselves can also shoot Hu Tao tonight if they exist.

I really don't see why we have to kill Hu Tao today

This makes 0 sense. You're making the case of of RN being scum on the case of me being scum. But not sure on me being scum.

I find it interesting that you say Alisae's two posts make no sense yet you then proceed to vote with her?

Am I missing something here?

VOTE: Hu Tao

If she makes no sense to you, shouldn't you be asking questions instead of following her vote?

Nurse did you believe flav fake claim at this point? Also why the justification when your last read on Hu was town. Since your only justification could have been flav guilty, so why make a case when your only case couild have been that you were wrong and hu and that you believe Flav.

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Question to roden out of fire, Flav, Nurse, Dunn amd alisea who you think are the 3 scum in those 5? And why?

[bob3141]

To dunn out of Fire, Flav, Nurse, roden and alisea who you think are the 3 scum in those 5? And why?

[bob3141]

This game is a mess good job to scum

177 pages and then sudden silence from everyone esp nurse, roden and dunn

Even Flav has gone quite and he is only 23 posts away from one 1000

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I'm ok voting wherever you want to Bob.

Im thinking we just play safe today with FL execution. If they are town and we are wrong on dunn then they would prob end up being the elo misexecution.

If i surive the night then i will get some sort of result if not it really raises teh question about fire. As i serously doubt scum would have 2 shot strongman with only a claimed bg. As otherwise you could get a situation were scum strongmans the cop and then strongmans a clear. Makes more sense to simply drop the bg and the strongman.

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Hm I guess I never really went into detail on FL. I must have thought it was a given that they would be suspected and voted out.

I think that they got caught out with their fake claim. I think they always intended to backtrack on it but I don't feel it was town to do and I think the way they are trying to twist things is really scummy. For instance they keep insisting that they saved hu tao yesterday, in reality hu tao was never going to be eliminated at all yesterday until flavor leaf claimed, and another town player was eliminated that day anyway.

I believe they pivoted to calling me mafia when I called them mafia but I don't believe they have really justified why they think so.

Dont forget flav was hard pushing you as a bad execution day 2 and then all of sudden day 3 your the prefered execution

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Scum or town i have no doubt you would have been on both executions Flav. The difference being town you would more likely to drive the execution onto scum.

on balance i think we need to execute Flav. If he is town so be it but atleast we can look at there reads with the knoledge they are town as would mean he is prob right on atleast 2 of his 3 scum picks.


I will hammer in bit if its fine with everyone

[bob3141]

Also its easier than reading 996 posts

[bob3141]

VOTE: Flav

For better or worse i cant see today ending in another execution

[bob3141]

If your town then you shouldnt have self voted and said you had given up to be honest.

Once you had dont that the days has become a forgone conclusion. So there is no point dragging it out

[bob3141]

suprised scum didnt realise the danger of a second town pr. even if they didnt know if Hu tao or norw was the last town pr or what role that was

[bob3141]

i got the feeling in the dead thread norw was playing with us

[bob3141]

it wasnt really but there certainly factors that made it townsided that didnt come to much into play. like fire role

with 2 inno the game was easy to solve.

[bob3141]

thing to remember is normal games always lean towards townsided so there was a hole in town power so something should of been expect and hu and norw were the only players that it could be

[bob3141]

I felt like the setup was heavily Town-sided.

The Millers became more like Town PRs, so it was tough trying to play around it.

The two Cop results being shared destroyed us. There being a backup Cop destroyed us.

that was more due to play than the setup. as you had the advantage of knowing day one that town would only have 2pr in 6 slots. By n2 you should of known that all town pr was within 4 slots. This sort of game is made or broke in the first 2 nights

the first miller got executed and your team shot the second. And we were forced to execute flav due to tunnel on that slot even though mech flav was highly likely town.



it wasnt heavily townsided but did have allot of swing in it. As if you had shot jason n1 and then shot norw n2. Then town would have lost all its town pr in two hits for no result.