Mini Normal 2306: Game Over

[Alisae]

okay
and I think you are mafia

[Alisae]

I wish u weren't mafia
maybe it'll be that way w/ your flip and we'll be fucked
this is a pretty terrible position for you to be in and it doesn't help that you're trying to paint me as teammates with Dunn and Nurse.
Both of those players seem townie to me.

[Alisae]

your exhausting to talk to when I need to sleep.
If I keep engaging with you you will keep me up for hours.
Goodnight and Goodbye

[Alisae]

I just woke bruh is this guy still goin?

[Alisae]

I just woke bruh is this guy still goin?

I'm obv town now, Alisae, read up

Is this what u see in the mirror?

[Alisae]

I just woke bruh is this guy still goin?

I'm obv town now, Alisae, read up

Is this what u see in the mirror?

you already know im obv town

[Alisae]

Firebringer being hammer is +wolf points for them

[Alisae]

FL I would like to know how your strategy of "I am obvtown now" is going to mind control me to do something else

[Alisae]

but I'm obvtown now

[Alisae]

you have to care now I am obvtown

[Alisae]

ya bro actually I reconsidered fl is obvtown too guys

[Alisae]

guys fl is obvtown why are we killing him?????????

[Alisae]

this guy straight up just took a whole page for himself

[Alisae]

Roden is claiming mafia by voting me ig?

[Alisae]

Fuck

We might be in a 4 scum setup.

Oh my gosh, it’s fucking all 4 of them Fire

If Alisae is traitor, they were setting other connections up in case they flip.

you are circlejerking your teammate right now

4 mafia in 13p is not normal
you are literally in the Normal Review Group (NRG) brother

[Alisae]

Fuck

We might be in a 4 scum setup.

Oh my gosh, it’s fucking all 4 of them Fire

If Alisae is traitor, they were setting other connections up in case they flip.

you are circlejerking your teammate right now

4 mafia in 13p is not normal
you are literally in the Normal Review Group (NRG) brother

When did that get added?

Keep in mind I was gone for a year and a half, and it was definitely normal before.

I would know, I dealt with playing in like 4 games with it, and I hated it every time, both alignments.

I might be traumatized from that, though

I am going to have to ask for evidence that does not come from a multiball game

[Alisae]

Votecount 1.14

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13

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7

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votes

Random Nurse (5)

E-2

:

Flavor Leaf,

osuka, Sakura Hana

, Firebringer, Roden

Firebringer (3):

Hu Tao, sheepsaysmeep, JasonWazza

NorwegianboyEE

(2):

Alisae, Takutai

Alisae

(1):

NorwegianboyEE

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Random Nurse

notes

• Firebringer is V/LA through 27^th August.
  
• The combined mod ISO is here.

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:14:00)

ya you're right bro, Nurse is an all town wagon on mafia and both mafia are not voting while me and Takutai are vanity voting Norwee, a wagon that'll realistically never take off.

Nice bro
Poggers

[Alisae]

ya Nurse and Dunn is a team composition that would make me want to fakeclaim miller and write 800 something posts.
Very believable story my guy

[Alisae]

NK15 doesn’t count that guy is weird

[Alisae]

I never said it was you, after all you’re obvtown!!!!!!

[Alisae]

Ya I’m super open to working with obvtown

[Alisae]

I can also be town who hates the nurse wagon?
I don’t think my tactics were that effective at saving them

[Alisae]

Alisae going to ignore me I see.

why should I talk to you?

Explain my voting history being wolfy
Explain how my actions don't make sense.

why should I convince u you're a wolf

[Alisae]

Like that read list is more realistically
{Bob, Norwee, Hu Tao}
{Dunnstral}
{Roden, Nurse}
{Firebringer}
{FL}

I am of the opinion that killing all 4 of u, fire, then roden wins game

[Alisae]

I think all of Dunn iso is town indicative

[Alisae]

Fire is not a town protective lol

[Alisae]

Dunn is town.
Vote out fl or fire

[Alisae]

No actually can we not kill Dunn and do the thing that FL wants the village to do????

Literally none of the FOS in Dunn are even because people think he's mafia
he was just low participation day 1 and day 2 participation got upped and during that time he didn't even do anything mafia indicative on him but people want him dead for ??????????? reasons???????????????

[Alisae]

u r mafia bro

[Alisae]

it has occurred to me that for some reason FL and Fire would want to bus Dunn but I kinda just think Dunn is town lmfao

[Alisae]

it has occurred to me that for some reason FL and Fire would want to bus Dunn but I kinda just think Dunn is town lmfao

Then help us buss

did u read anything after the word but

[Alisae]

it has occurred to me that for some reason FL and Fire would want to bus Dunn but I kinda just think Dunn is town lmfao

Then help us buss

did u read anything after the word but

we are bussing, help us buss.

it has occurred to me that for some reason FL and Fire would want to bus Dunn but I kinda just think Dunn is town lmfao

Then help us buss

did u read anything after the word but

help us buss

if I vote dunn and he flips town, I look like a clown for having gone along with it, and I'll regret voting and killing it off for the rest of the game. Regardless of my alignment, why would I do this??? I've voted off so many town before knowing that they're town when I really shouldn't have and regretted it. Why would I make this mistake again????
if I don't vote dunn and he flips mafia, the next day phase probably always ends with a miselimination (it could be me or nurse), and then the day after we're at F5 scratching our heads and somehow you weasel another miselim that you shouldn't be able to weasel or two just fall over and die????? I don't even get anything from voting Dunn here if you two are mafia because that literally doesn't change anything you're arguing.

I'm honored you both feel need to jump at me with this tho LOL

[Alisae]

Alisae just for clarity, do you have any scumgames where you posted a lot?

Team Mafia

[Alisae]

Also they kept pushing me at an time when there was very little agreement among other slots on my being scummy, which begs the question of why they did it and even seemed to base their entire life around it? Just doesn't seem tactical if they were scum. I think scum!them would have stepped back in response to thread apathy to my being scum. Because i don't believe i am a easy slot to mislim as town. At least not as easy as i used to be.

Fire and FL are just mafia.
I want to show you something

[Alisae]

Votecount 1.14

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer

votes

Random Nurse (5)

E-2

:

Flavor Leaf,

osuka, Sakura Hana

, Firebringer, Roden

Firebringer (3):

Hu Tao, sheepsaysmeep, JasonWazza

NorwegianboyEE

(2):

Alisae, Takutai

Alisae

(1):

NorwegianboyEE

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Random Nurse

notes

• Firebringer is V/LA through 27^th August.
  
• The combined mod ISO is here.

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:14:00)

ya you're right bro, Nurse is an all town wagon on mafia and both mafia are not voting while me and Takutai are vanity voting Norwee, a wagon that'll realistically never take off.

Nice bro
Poggers

[Alisae]

FL and Fire would want to mind control you to believe that Dunn is mafia tho

[Alisae]

FL and Fire would want to mind control you to believe that Dunn is mafia tho

So who would be FL + Fire third teammate in that world?

Roden

Is them bussing Dunn realistic too?

I think Dunn is town but I would be forced to consider it if Roden flipped town.
Roden doesn't flip town tho

[Alisae]

Votecount 1.7

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13

alive, it takes

7

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Takutai

(6)

E-1

:[/color]

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza

, Firebringer,

Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka/color] (2):[

Roden, Random Nurse

MikhailTal (1):

osuka [/color]

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral,

Takutai

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

[Alisae]

Votecount 1.FINAL

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13

alive, it takes

7

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osuka

(7)

HAMMER

:

Flavor Leaf, Firebringer,

Sakura Hana, JasonWazza, NorwegianboyEE

, Roden,

Alisae

!

NorwegianboyEE

(1):

osuka

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (4):

Dunnstral, Random Nurse,

sheepsaysmeep, Takutai

notes

• Firebringer is V/LA through 27^th August.
  
• The combined mod ISO is here.

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:14:00)

guys
this isn't rock science

[Alisae]

Votecount 2.5

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer

votes

Random Nurse (3):

Alisae, sheepsaysmeep, Hu Tao

Hu Tao

(3):

Firebringer,

NorwegianboyEE, Random Nurse

Takutai (3):

Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Roden

Dunnstral (1):

bob3141

Roden (1):

Takutai

Not Voting (0).

notes

• Random Nurse is V/LA on Thursdays, Frydays and Saturdays.
  
• The combined mod ISO is here.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2023-08-07 08:00:00)

[Alisae]

It's rock papers scissors science

rocket science
typo

[Alisae]

Votecount 2.6

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11

alive, it takes

6

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votes

Takutai

(6)

HAMMER

:

Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Roden,

bob3141, Alisae,

Firebringer!

Random Nurse (2):

sheepsaysmeep, Hu Tao

Hu Tao

(2):

NorwegianboyEE

, Random Nurse

Roden (1):

Takutai

Not Voting (0).

notes

• Random Nurse is V/LA on Thursdays, Frydays and Saturdays.
  
• The combined mod ISO is here.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2023-08-07 08:00:00)

WOW!!!!!

[Alisae]

Those VC's really go right over my head Alisae.
You're gonna have to change to Norwee logic.

Roden FL Fire are on all of the major wagons except Takutai early wagon.
Only unflipped player on Takutai early wagon is Fire.

[Alisae]

Also Fire is playing ass today so i agree they are likely part of the scum team.

the last is roden

[Alisae]

Here are the facts
- FL is mafia. Actually he's red obvtown.
- Fire is not playing his signature town game. There are things he does that define his town game and he isn't doing those things. There are things however that define his wolf game and voting with his team when he's needed to for eliminations, and doing so in the ways that Fire has done so, is 100% within his wolf range and is the wolf!Fire that I played with.
- Fire's progression on Dunn makes no sense. He goes from saying "Voting Dunn doesn't rly do anything" to "Let's vote Dunn when he's not playing and stubbornly tunnel him for ??????? reasons"
- Dunn's play I don't think is doing anything that is mafia indicative. I think wolf!Dunn is a lot more slimey but when town!Dunn posts he has reads, concerns, and things he cares about. I still would have to consider it if Roden flipped town. To me they don't rly come across as part of the informed minority.
- Nurse's play I think is villager indicative. I think he has approached the game from the mindset of a villager when he approaches from behind. He does not come across as part of the informed minority. He comes across as someone who I think wants to be right.
- Roden's voting history and where he's been in key vcs is extremely suspect. If the wolf team is voting as a team (which is how wolf teams w/ FL operate) they won't bus or vote each other in key moments, and they will use their votes together as a team. Roden has been going along with this. When Takutai unvoted Osuka, Roden re-voted Osuka and put Osuka in range for me to hammer them.

[Alisae]

Also like literally the only reason i've tolerated not destroying Fire this game is their claim, just FYI. And i'm really starting to run out of patience in regards to that since they keep failing to die and then claimining the least optimal targets to excuse them not dying.

Their targets make 0 sense and they are not protecting the people who need to be protected.

[Alisae]

I would also like to add that when FL claimed cop, he claimed macho.
This is probably just to support Fire's claim.

[Alisae]

Also Norwee if u can figure out why Fire and Roden refuse to suspect FL, I would love to hear it.
I'm pretty sure they filled the thread up with so much junk that they can't rly justify why they don't suspect FL

[Alisae]

you should ask why roden is voting me

[Alisae]

i think they just growl or bark
like a dog

[Alisae]

ya bro you're obvtown

[Alisae]

This days has delved into clear sides i feel, so the question becomes which of those sides feels more like they could be aligned and not aligned.
Hearing more from Roden and RN would help. Also for Dunn to explain their stance on FL and Alisae.

What would you like me to explain?

I thought I talked about FL and Alisae.

There's a lot of spam in the game, I feel like re-explaining yourself would be helpful?

[Alisae]

Very cool setup my guy!
Sorry I rep’d out.

Good win Norwee

[Alisae]

Fire never shoots Norwee lol

[Alisae]

This was busted from the get go. Can we stop forcefeeding town victories?

welcome to the normal queue

[Alisae]

Jason should have died n1.
He made it very obvious he was informed when it came to his approach on the millers.
Instead Sakura dies N1.

Bob should have died N2.
Jason's D2 start as well as his interactions w/ Norwee at the start of the day made it very obvious he had information.
Instead Sheep dies N2.

[Alisae]

Two cops, no roleblockers, no investigatiors

The normal queue is townsided because wolves on the website are good and towns are bad.
1 Cop could have been fine. The backup cop (this is my guess) was likely added during review.

But I mean hey towns are bad and not everyone has scumhunting skills so you gotta hand them cops.

[Alisae]

If the mafia had better players, they totally could have handled this situation before it became too problematic.

[Alisae]

Jason should have died n1.
He made it very obvious he was informed when it came to his approach on the millers.
Instead Sakura dies N1.

Bob should have died N2.
Jason's D2 start as well as his interactions w/ Norwee at the start of the day made it very obvious he had information.
Instead Sheep dies N2.

my cop cover was just tooo good

this is funny to say, but I think the reality of the situation is that wolves just weren't paying attention or hunting for roles.

[Alisae]

Sakura also made herself very obv that she was likely just a Vanilla.
No reason to shoot her over Jason just because she can't be limmed.

[Alisae]

fwiw I think the setup is to be expected given it is the normal queue and how NRG balances their setups.
If it was just 1 cop and no backup cop, by normal queue standards, this setup would be wolfsided.