Mini Normal 2306: Game Over

Hu Tao · Post Post #146 (isolation #0) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:24 am

Hello

Hu Tao · Post Post #149 (isolation #1) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:27 am

In post 63, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 60, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Oh you're one of those players that hard scumread me from early on.
Am I?

Seems a bit defensive, wouldn't you say?

I would agree with this assessment

VOTE: Norwegian

Hu Tao · Post Post #152 (isolation #2) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:28 am

In post 67, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Me just trying to get my footing in a game of mafia:

This deserves an unvote

UNVOTE:

Hu Tao · Post Post #154 (isolation #3) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:31 am

In post 108, MikhailTal wrote:
Alisae:
Town.

JasonWazza:
Town.

Flavor Leaf:
Town Miller.

NorwegianboyEE:
Very towny, pending consistency tests.

Sakura Hana:
Slightly towny.

Roden:
Slightly scummy.

With this framework, Firebringer appears more towny on the merits of association. That does not constitute a read on its own, of course.

Are all these colors really necessary

Hu Tao · Post Post #155 (isolation #4) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:33 am

In post 133, Roden wrote:
In post 81, MikhailTal wrote: JasonWazza voting me only reinforces that they are town, in my mind.
VOTE: Mikhail

Yes that post is weird, but goes along with their vibe. Which makes it not scummy imo, think it's just their personality based on all their posts

Hu Tao · Post Post #156 (isolation #5) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:34 am

In post 134, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m gonna coast on the fact that I’m Miller all game.

No take backsies, if I ever try to add or change any part of my role from here,

Insta fade me.

I’m just true Town Miller doing what I’m supposed to do and claiming immediately

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not

Hu Tao · Post Post #158 (isolation #6) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:35 am

In post 135, MikhailTal wrote:
In post 133, Roden wrote:
In post 81, MikhailTal wrote: JasonWazza voting me only reinforces that they are town, in my mind.
VOTE: Mikhail
When one's every action intends to provoke a reaction, but one is unwilling to convey an agenda, it will of course be difficult to sleuth sincerity from them. I would encourage you to remain headstrong with this vote, as I will not be reevaluating my decision today under any circumstances.

Roden:
Mafia.

I think roden could be scum yeah

Hu Tao · Post Post #159 (isolation #7) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:36 am

In post 147, Alisae wrote:
In post 146, Hu Tao wrote: Hello
Hello fellow anime!
Are you aligned with the mafia?

I just double checked, I am not.

Hu Tao · Post Post #161 (isolation #8) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:38 am

I like Mikhail for town

Hu Tao · Post Post #162 (isolation #9) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:38 am

In post 160, Alisae wrote:
In post 159, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 147, Alisae wrote:
In post 146, Hu Tao wrote: Hello
Hello fellow anime!
Are you aligned with the mafia?
I just double checked, I am not.
Dang it!
I can only be friends with the mafia, sorry, we can’t be friends

Sorry oomfie

Hu Tao · Post Post #165 (isolation #10) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:45 am

I still see green unfortunately

Hu Tao · Post Post #394 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:07 pm

In post 202, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Firebringer

osuka

Roden
Mikailtal
Norwegianboy
Sakura Hana
Alisae
Hu Tao

Random Nurse
JasonWazza
Dunnstral

Takutai

Town
-
Lean Town
-
Light Town
-
Neutral
-
Light Scum
-
Lean Scum
-
Scum

What happened to good old red yellow green. Is all these different colors the meta now. I'll read more later. Goodnight all

Hu Tao · Post Post #722 (isolation #12) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:56 pm

In post 419, Roden wrote:
In post 297, Random Nurse wrote:
Meta Data

I don't quickhammers and appreciate intent to hammer being made first. At this point on I don't quickhammer and instead will announce intent to claim.

Didn't we just have a game where you quick hammered the Cop before they could claim lmao

Hu Tao · Post Post #724 (isolation #13) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:01 pm

In post 717, Takutai wrote: My current feel is that the osuka wagon is town and there are bad elements on it. I'm willing to accept flavor's towncore for now because it precisely aligns with mine. Call it provisional.

If it aligns with yours, why call it provisional? I don't know why this post pings me

Hu Tao · Post Post #725 (isolation #14) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:03 pm

In post 673, Firebringer wrote: more votes on me

Sure

VOTE: fire

Hu Tao · Post Post #727 (isolation #15) » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:05 pm

In post 613, osuka wrote:
In post 505, Random Nurse wrote: At this point I'm caught up reading.

I'm Townreading Sakura and Alisae due to Scumhunting and engagement, but I am a bit apprehensive because they are voting Dunnstral who hasn't even posted anything yet.

Flavorleaf I can't tell either way.

Hu Tao I'm slightly Townreading.

Mikhail is bizarre. He's not playing to help Town, but he's not necessarily Scum either. Can't read him. He did mention getting policy limmed in a prior game: I'd want to know his alignment in that game.

Osuka slot gives me gut Scum vibes, because he's basically reacting to Mikhail's bizarreness but isn't doing much else, which makes me wonder why.

Dunnstral hasn't posted yet so I can't even form a read.

The rest are Null (Jason, Takuta, Roden, Fire).

I'd like Osuka to actually do something other than react to Mikhail. What are your reads?

VOTE: Osuka
let's see - you're pushing me because i haven't done anything other than engaging with the weirdest slot in the game, 24 hours into the first day, in a thread where 50% of the content is shitposts? good lord

feel free to ask whatever you want but i'm not gonna make shit up just to appease you

In post 614, osuka wrote:
In post 508, Roden wrote: I agree with those points about Osuka actually

VOTE: Osuka
fucking rich coming from your slot. i've written more words in the past 10 minutes than you have the entire game

try again

I've felt this way before so I'm leaning towards townreading osuka

Hu Tao · Post Post #963 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:03 pm

This week I've been a bit busy. I'll post more tomorrow night

Hu Tao · Post Post #964 (isolation #17) » Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:06 pm

In post 954, Alisae wrote:
@Hu Tao
what is your preferred alignment?

I don't care whichever I get. I've played mafia before on other sites. If you're implying my inactivity is because I'm nervous as scum, then you're mistaken. I'm just a bit busy on weekdays at times because of work.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1099 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:08 am

In post 967, Alisae wrote:
In post 964, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 954, Alisae wrote:
@Hu Tao
what is your preferred alignment?
I don't care whichever I get. I've played mafia before on other sites. If you're implying my inactivity is because I'm nervous as scum, then you're mistaken. I'm just a bit busy on weekdays at times because of work.
Ur activity is not what stands out to me.

What is it then?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1100 (isolation #19) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:10 am

In post 971, Alisae wrote:
In post 970, Flavor Leaf wrote: I can second from experience that I think Hu Tao is an experienced Mafia player even if relatively new to Mafiascum.

That being said, i don’t think I’d consider them that new to this site anymore.

But I would love to be scum with Hu Tao eventually or find scum with Hu Tao as town/town.
So, I did a brief skim of their meta, and my general impression of them is they're more likely to be detached from the gamestate as mafia > town. I kind of want to say they're in their wolf meta right now based on a brief meta check? Idunno can u like verify this.

I'm assuming you just looked at post count. Because the scum game you're referencing, I was one of the leaders in posts and very engaged until my partner basically threw and I got voted out (I explained that in the last post that game). The town game you posted was actually pretty similar to this one. Work got busy so I was a bit inactive and I got scumread for it, but still helped lead town to victory later on. At least you're looking for something but you're on the wrong track here

Hu Tao · Post Post #1101 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:11 am

In post 973, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 971, Alisae wrote:
In post 970, Flavor Leaf wrote: I can second from experience that I think Hu Tao is an experienced Mafia player even if relatively new to Mafiascum.

That being said, i don’t think I’d consider them that new to this site anymore.

But I would love to be scum with Hu Tao eventually or find scum with Hu Tao as town/town.
So, I did a brief skim of their meta, and my general impression of them is they're more likely to be detached from the gamestate as mafia > town. I kind of want to say they're in their wolf meta right now based on a brief meta check? Idunno can u like verify this.
It’s possible this is true, and if I am remembering correctly, this is what I remember from the games I had with them.

Whether or not this fits this game at the present is not something I’m capable of discerning fully atm.

@Hu Tao - The game I misfaded Andante, were you town or scum, I forget? I feel like I have two games with you, one scum, one town, and I think you were town there?

Yep town

Hu Tao · Post Post #1102 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:12 am

In post 976, Alisae wrote:
In post 973, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 971, Alisae wrote:
In post 970, Flavor Leaf wrote: I can second from experience that I think Hu Tao is an experienced Mafia player even if relatively new to Mafiascum.

That being said, i don’t think I’d consider them that new to this site anymore.

But I would love to be scum with Hu Tao eventually or find scum with Hu Tao as town/town.
So, I did a brief skim of their meta, and my general impression of them is they're more likely to be detached from the gamestate as mafia > town. I kind of want to say they're in their wolf meta right now based on a brief meta check? Idunno can u like verify this.
It’s possible this is true, and if I am remembering correctly, this is what I remember from the games I had with them.

Whether or not this fits this game at the present is not something I’m capable of discerning fully atm.

@Hu Tao - The game I misfaded Andante, were you town or scum, I forget? I feel like I have two games with you, one scum, one town, and I think you were town there?
viewtopic.php?t=90861 - wolf game
viewtopic.php?t=90681 - The game you are referencing (town game)

This was the post I was trying to quote before

Hu Tao · Post Post #1103 (isolation #22) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:13 am

In post 1020, Roden wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao

I wanna do this.

Why?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1104 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:14 am

In post 1023, MikhailTal wrote: hu tao's perspective is very unmarred and given time i see them very easily putting themselves on a billboard. takutai and osuka, from where i'm looking are more likely to reveal their brain's fucked up like mine and they've split an alter than consolidate their positions. i want either of them today.

well I think osuka could be town based on what I posted earlier, I'll look into taku in a bit

Hu Tao · Post Post #1105 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:15 am

In post 1028, Flavor Leaf wrote: Roden, Norwegian, Mika, Taku, Osuka all town vibes for me right now.

Sakura
Jasonwazza
Firebringer
Alisae
Dunnstral

Is a pool i wanna remember.

Hu Tao is in there too, but forgot about them until now.

And I’m missing 1 person off the dome.

Hu Tao could be scum here. The meta case is valid, but it’s too early for me to really wanna full send on that regard.

Alisae/Sakura both have some pings for me, but realistically, I don’t think they’re both scum here. I could be wrong with that.

Surely you can't be serious about the meta case. The fact that you didn't see the similarities between this game and the town game is suspect.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1106 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:16 am

In post 1029, Alisae wrote: Is fl mafia???????
Maybe I should just go to bed

Possibly but not sure why you think that when you asked for their opinion. What's the reason?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1107 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:17 am

In post 1055, Takutai wrote:
In post 1051, Alisae wrote: Tell me about Dunn what’s ur problem with that guy
I have no problem with Dunn, the fact that I'm here and Hu Tao or Dunn aren't simply amuses me.

As I said before, I'm very certain I hit gold somewhere in my reads and I'll try and see where.

Well why not give a case?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1109 (isolation #27) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:19 am

In post 580, Takutai wrote:
In post 577, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 572, Takutai wrote:
In post 570, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
That’s fine, you can be bored as i eliminate you.
No all you have are dead ends and angsty personality fueled pushes. I know flavor can push me over but I'm not worried about you because so far you've done nothing impressive. Talk to me once you have the guts to case Alisae and Roden.
Thank you, i always knew i could count on you my therapist to clue me in on the source behind my teenage angst and excessive failures.
I'll townlock you for now.

Townlock

NorwegianBoyEE

Chesslock but can be scum

MikhailTal

Feels good so far but can be scum?

Flavor Leaf

Not sure

Everyone else except Alisae and Roden

Slots that should evolve

Hu Tao
Dunnstral

Actually looks like you mentioned the both of us way before, so I take back what I said

Hu Tao · Post Post #1110 (isolation #28) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:20 am

I don't see what's scummy about Taku tbh. I likely won't vote there

Hu Tao · Post Post #1113 (isolation #29) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:23 am

I still think roden is my likely vote but not sold on it. If anyone has someone they think I should look into let me know

Hu Tao · Post Post #1137 (isolation #30) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:16 am

In post 1122, JasonWazza wrote: I will say i think there is at least one scum in

{Alisae, Sakura, Norwegian}

Because none of them can even actually answer with a reason that isn't just WIFOM

In post 1108, Takutai wrote:
In post 1097, JasonWazza wrote: Taku there is plenty of other reason's I can have as Town to vote you there.
I'm not seeing them in your words and as it's "spineless" to not spew out your every thought in a game that's already on page forty-four I'm afraid Tal and I would like to hear them.
Wagon analysis can give us info, the fact that your wagon went up at that speed is fine, but the speed it dropped off makes me think scum was on the wagon and jumped off it because of convenience, and because they wanted to try and avoid some of the backlash that the wagon has.

Add that to the fact that none of the 3 can give even a halfway decent reason means there is a fairly decent chance that there was scum there.

UNVOTE: Takutai
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

I think looking into the wagon is a good idea. Because I really don't see much as to why taku was voted so much

Hu Tao · Post Post #1138 (isolation #31) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:17 am

In post 1128, Sakura Hana wrote: Oh, hell no, you're not turning me against my townreads.

You're unwilling to reevaluate? This just seems weird, not in a scummy way just curious

Hu Tao · Post Post #1176 (isolation #32) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:02 pm

In post 1144, Alisae wrote: Oh no Jason, my tr, is going to come after me
Sp00ky

Who do you think is scum?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1177 (isolation #33) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:02 pm

In post 1146, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1028, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao could be scum here. The meta case is valid, but it’s too early for me to really wanna full send on that regard.

In post 1145, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think the meta case is accurate based off purely my memory, but the application of it, I didn’t necessarily agree with here.
Uh... no, im pretty sure both of these two arent the same thing.

Same

Hu Tao · Post Post #1180 (isolation #34) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:05 pm

In post 1164, osuka wrote: holy shit you guys why are there 10 pages to read

This is how I felt during the week

Hu Tao · Post Post #1181 (isolation #35) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:06 pm

In post 1175, osuka wrote:
In post 1075, MikhailTal wrote: [yin] yin's theory: this setup has exactly 3 millers~
???????

I never know what mikhail is saying but I think they are town based on tone.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1184 (isolation #36) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:08 pm

In post 1178, Takutai wrote:
In post 1046, Alisae wrote: I dunno man I’m not confident in takutai flipping mafia.

Ig they’re not really solving or doing anything that’s townie but like wolves aren’t this self-destructive
There was that one time when I called you and Roden scum but I guess we're not talking about
that
anymore. Good luck with your vote Jason lol my bet is Alisae won't come near e-3 today.

In post 1170, osuka wrote:
In post 1019, Roden wrote: Kinda hate that the Osuka wagon evaporated but no one seems interested there atp.
my wagon never really had any real substance behind it so that doesn't raise alarms for me, but i do think the way the takutai wagon came about is fairly shady
Jason explained why, fairly shady doesn't give us much to work with but I'll give you space to expand. Sakura was on both so I'll check how you interacted with her in the past, can be an exclusionary read.

I'd be fine voting roden

Hu Tao · Post Post #1254 (isolation #37) » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:51 pm

In post 1246, Roden wrote: Osuka's recent posts felt townier so idk if I do want to go back there anymore

Hu Tao repeatedly threatening to vote me for the past 72 hours and then not actually voting me is undechipherable

Dunn questioning me on semantics with no follow up or any reasoning given for it feels like that was just busy work and like he didn't care

We still have a lot of time and I'm trying to sort. I'm not in a rush to get just anyone eliminated

Hu Tao · Post Post #1495 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:37 pm

Sakura who are your top 2 scumreads

Hu Tao · Post Post #1551 (isolation #39) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:06 pm

In post 1497, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 1495, Hu Tao wrote: Sakura who are your top 2 scumreads
How about you answer this question?

Roden and I'm trying to figure out if FL meta thing was him trying to find a reason to scumread me or was actually misspoken. I am a little weary of firebringer too but could just be his way of speaking. You?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1557 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:15 pm

In post 1553, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 1551, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1497, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 1495, Hu Tao wrote: Sakura who are your top 2 scumreads
How about you answer this question?
Roden and I'm trying to figure out if FL meta thing was him trying to find a reason to scumread me or was actually misspoken. I am a little weary of firebringer too but could just be his way of speaking. You?
I think Alisae Firebringer and FL are all my top scum reads at this point.

Firebringer and Alisae give me the same kinda vibe but I think it's the carefree attitude. What were your thoughts on alisae trying to meta case me. Think scum would do that?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1632 (isolation #41) » Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:32 pm

In post 1626, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1625, Alisae wrote: Onus is on town to find mafia so as long as you are doing that and disrupting that process then in the moment its a fine play.
Ah good to know that you're aware that your actions are pro-mafia.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1796 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:46 am

In post 1641, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1551, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1497, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 1495, Hu Tao wrote: Sakura who are your top 2 scumreads
How about you answer this question?
Roden and I'm trying to figure out if FL meta thing was him trying to find a reason to scumread me or was actually misspoken. I am a little weary of firebringer too but could just be his way of speaking. You?
You can read my posts and see I don’t scum read you.

If I wanted to push you as scum, I would have done it.

Alisae gave me the giant opening.

It’s weird you’re hung up on that.

I wouldn't say I'm hung up on it, just being cautious

Hu Tao · Post Post #1797 (isolation #43) » Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:47 am

In post 1793, Alisae wrote: Voting nurse the afk slot: does nothing

If they actually scumread them, why would it matter?

Hu Tao · Post Post #2129 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:08 pm

Are people actually claiming Miller or is this a meme

Hu Tao · Post Post #2137 (isolation #45) » Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:11 pm

I'm having a hard time scumreading people this game for some reason. Because I read RN iso and i don't scumread it.

Hu Tao · Post Post #2268 (isolation #46) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:22 am

In post 2246, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Got some unfortunate RL family issues going on rn. I’ll try to keep up anyway but i’ll reserve my tight to just disappear from the thread at any time if i need to.

Hope everything gets better

Hu Tao · Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:46 pm

I kinda want to not think too hard into the Miller thing right now and hope it solves itself soon.

Hu Tao · Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:50 pm

In post 2279, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 2276, Hu Tao wrote: I kinda want to not think too hard into the Miller thing right now and hope it solves itself soon.
The issue is it doesn't get solved.

We wouldn't have a rolecop with this many millers.

What do you suggest we do then? Vote out a Miller?

Hu Tao · Post Post #2406 (isolation #49) » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:23 pm

Why does the fire wagon seems like it's stayed at 3 the whole time

Hu Tao · Post Post #2543 (isolation #50) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:16 am

I'm town reading norwee too. I think Sana was towny but didn't expect that nk

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:03 pm

In post 2554, NorwegianboyEE wrote: So another note scribble before i even read anything today.

I’m betting the game on Alisae!town
Takutai!town
Jason too, fuck it.

Should have believed more in my Osuka read, Sakura was town like i predicted.

Fire and Flavour i both kinda townread earlier but i’m afraid of commiting on either of them. Would not bet the game yet

Yeah I'm pretty confident in taku town and you too. I'm afraid that scum are likely veteran players since it seems hard to find scum. Unless we are missing people who are coasting?

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:04 pm

In post 2557, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2541, Alisae wrote: like if you kill me and let Norwee live I'll just curse the village when I'm dead. I don't need to give a fuck anymore so its fine.
Stop your pathetic whining and play the game.

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:05 pm

In post 2561, NorwegianboyEE wrote: I townread:
-
JasonWazza

-
Takutai

Yet to know:
-
Random Nurse

-
Hu Tao

-
Firebringer

-
Roden

-
Dunnstral

Millers:
-
Alisae

-
sheepsaysmeep

-
Flavor Leaf

I forgot sheep was in this game. I'll iso. I still have the gut feeling of roden being the most likely scum out of everyone here.

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:08 pm

In post 2569, sheepsaysmeep wrote: I am actually a player in this game that I am reading so I can just make posts

You are indeed. What do you think so far sheepy?

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:09 pm

In post 2571, Roden wrote:
In post 2547, Takutai wrote:
In post 2536, Alisae wrote: ok so wolves aren't PR hunting
VOTE: Norwee
When I saw this kill the first thing that I thought is 'wolves are pr hunting.'

I don't see sakura being gone serving any other plan than pr hunting.
Sakura basically claimed VT, this kill couldn't be PR hunting

Where? Also if that is the case scum must have knowledge that makes them not worried about investigating pr

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:10 pm

In post 2579, NorwegianboyEE wrote: That's why my conclusion is that either all millers are real and town, or you are the fake claiming scum and all the town millers reacted in a townie way to that claim.

Good point. Unless scum was informed flavor is probably just town

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:12 pm

In post 2592, Flavor Leaf wrote: Looked at Sakura’s last posts, and it’s a lot of Norwegian based posts, and how she would follow onto Norwegian. She was even voting Norwegian a while back.

This on top of Norwegian trying to minimize that Sakura was just town read is silly.

I thought Sakura had decently high scum equity most times throughout the day.

Sakura died because of their willingness to vote Norwegian, they weren’t a Miller in a Sakura-Alisae-Flavor triangle, and they could be pushed off as townie so anyone could kill.

Norwegian is already trying to push it that way.

On top of that, they turned their read on Alisae to ease pressure off of them, and flipped it over to me cowardly by not fully committing to it, and testing the waters for a FL push.

VOTE: Norwegian

I don’t believe Norwegian believe anything they’re spouting

I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Who else would you say is scummy?

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:13 pm

In post 2600, Flavor Leaf wrote: Sheep, Alisae, Jason, and Taku have been consistently my higher town reads, and I didn’t need a flip to get me there

You're gonna have to sell me on Alisae cause I do not see it at all

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:14 pm

In post 2603, Firebringer wrote: i tried to guard sakura last night. So there are some night shenanigans going on

Sus indeed

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:16 pm

In post 2636, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Might i suggest Jason or perhaps Hu Tao. I think they’d make great teammates.

I'd like to be scum with you someday. You seem fun to play with

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:16 pm

In post 2642, Alisae wrote: fl can u make the others hypoclaim kthanks

What's that?

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:17 pm

In post 2648, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I am a Cop: Hu Tao is Mafia.

I am a Role Cop: Alisae is a Miller.

Oh these things are terrible

I'm against that, these things usually never work out and it usually leads to scum finding pr early. Scum have an advantage to know what pr are likely.

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:22 pm

In post 2649, Alisae wrote: I also want cases from Hu Tao on why they believe what they believe

I'm usually a player who reads based on tone. And I find it easier to get townreads rather than scumreads until later game. Right now I would say norwee and taku are my townreads the most. Flavor is likely town unless scum are informed which is probably not the case, but to be fair I don't know how common that is here. I have a gut scumread on roden for some of his posts, they just don't seem to be towny to me. I'm weary of you tbh, it seemed like earlier you tried to treat me like a new player and tried to build an easy case on me on meta which seemed like what scum do against newer players. Those are a few things on my mind now. I'm not quite sure how to take the fire claim right now, not sure why they would claim that at the moment.

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:24 pm

In post 2655, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1518, Flavor Leaf wrote:
HYPO CLAIM WITH SOME FLAVOR

STARTING DAY 2

Everybody fill out the following per day phase:

I am a Cop. [Insert name here] is [insert Town or Mafia here.

AND

I am a Role Cop. [Insert name here] is [insert Miller or Not A Miller here].

Obviously, don’t make it obvious you aren’t really those roles going forward, but I think it’s for sure worth doing.

Ignore. This puts PR in a tough situation more than scum. Scum have to fake claim anyway. If town pr has anything they will claim or just soft.

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:24 pm

Oh sheep is Mikhail slot. I townread them too then

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:29 pm

In post 2677, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2669, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2648, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I am a Cop: Hu Tao is Mafia.

I am a Role Cop: Alisae is a Miller.

Oh these things are terrible I'm against that, these things usually never work out and it usually leads to scum finding pr early. Scum have an advantage to know what pr are likely.

Explain to us why you think it’s terrible, because from this side, it looks like you’re just shouting it down without understanding what this is.

What is terrible about it, and how will it help scum to know what PR is?

Because it’s really just there to protect a possible Cop/Role Cop, because without it, scum can Night Kill pick them and we don’t get their result.

With 3 Millers and Multiple VT claimed, scum already have a narrowed down pool anyways, so it’s super anti town not to

You're not gonna change my mind on this one, I know what it is. Just wasn't familiar with the term. It just narrows down pr claims for scum. Never been a fan

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:31 pm

In post 2680, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2678, Alisae wrote:
In post 2675, Hu Tao wrote: If town pr has anything they will claim or just soft.
this is arguably worse

Hu Tao is obv scum. If I die, you’ll know that anyways.

You insult me by thinking I wouldn't be all for hypo claiming as scum.

But as town I see no benefit so I will not play along.

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:32 pm

In post 2682, Flavor Leaf wrote: You wanna know why I know Hu Tao’s scum for non mech reasons?

So I did something similar to a Hypo Claim recently, with a “Target/Not Target” Watcher Gambit.

And caught Enchant as scum with that.

Hu Tao was their scum partner.

So Hu Tao has actively seen me catch scum with a hypo claim scenario before.

No. That was because my partner threw. They claimed they visited the night kill when I was the one who did. They literally lied to be elim'd

maybe you missed the post-game discussion

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:34 pm

But flavor is very likely town as I've said before, I just disagree with their way of playing today (which is fine)

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:35 pm

In post 2686, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2684, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2682, Flavor Leaf wrote: You wanna know why I know Hu Tao’s scum for non mech reasons?

So I did something similar to a Hypo Claim recently, with a “Target/Not Target” Watcher Gambit.

And caught Enchant as scum with that.

Hu Tao was their scum partner.

So Hu Tao has actively seen me catch scum with a hypo claim scenario before.
No. That was because my partner threw. They claimed they visited the night kill when I was the one who did. They literally lied to be elim'd maybe you missed the post-game discussion
I think scum is in a better position without the Hypo Claim, so no, I don’t believe you would be.

As scum, I believe you’d act and push like hypo claim is bad.

That is exactly how I expect scum to act.

But it’s alright, I already knew you were scum beforehand

I know you have a habit of being stubborn but you're good when not doing so. Say in some wild scenario I'm confirmed town who would you say is likely scummiest here? Cause I'm having trouble finding scum

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:43 pm

Maybe this will help me visualize

Random Nurse - I want to believe their activity and reaction to being scumread for it is NAI but I'm sometimes a suckered for ATE. Will keep an eye on.

Flavor Leaf - likely town unless mafia are informed but unlikely

NorwegianboyEE - towny vibes

Firebringer- scummy vibes but might be way of posting

JasonWazza* - I like their posts but something makes me weary of them not sure what

Takutai - towny vibes

Roden - probably scum

sheepsaysmeep - towny vibes since previous slot was towny

Dunnstral* - Could be coasting? Idk will need to see

Alisae - scummy vibes

Think this is how I'm feeling.

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:44 pm

In post 2692, Flavor Leaf wrote: That was like 3 games in the making of happening

Okay maybe I missed context history of you 2 then but from my point of view it was basically throwing since I was a ninja and couldn't be caught

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:45 pm

In post 2696, Flavor Leaf wrote: 2 scum down, probs 1 to go

0-2, don't strike out

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:45 pm

VOTE: roden

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:47 pm

In post 2700, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2698, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2696, Flavor Leaf wrote: 2 scum down, probs 1 to go
0-2, don't strike out
You wouldn’t know for sure it’s Norwegian unless you’re a cop who did it.

And if so, Hypo claim it helps that anyways and does well if you die.

I just think he's very likely town, i think ive said that since yesterday. I've seen you tunnel town before so I don't take it personal for me.

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:48 pm

In post 2703, Alisae wrote:
In post 2695, Hu Tao wrote: Maybe this will help me visualize

Random Nurse - I want to believe their activity and reaction to being scumread for it is NAI but I'm sometimes a suckered for ATE. Will keep an eye on.

Flavor Leaf - likely town unless mafia are informed but unlikely

NorwegianboyEE - towny vibes

Firebringer- scummy vibes but might be way of posting

JasonWazza* - I like their posts but something makes me weary of them not sure what

Takutai - towny vibes

Roden - probably scum

sheepsaysmeep - towny vibes since previous slot was towny

Dunnstral* - Could be coasting? Idk will need to see

Alisae - scummy vibes

Think this is how I'm feeling.
Do u know Sheep's role?

What does that have to do with how I feel about their play?

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:49 pm

In post 2706, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2704, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2700, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2698, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2696, Flavor Leaf wrote: 2 scum down, probs 1 to go
0-2, don't strike out
You wouldn’t know for sure it’s Norwegian unless you’re a cop who did it.

And if so, Hypo claim it helps that anyways and does well if you die.
I just think he's very likely town, i think ive said that since yesterday. I've seen you tunnel town before so I don't take it personal for me.
Then it’s not 0-2.

You thinking he’s very likely town, does not mean he is town.

Fine. 0-1

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:50 pm

In post 2709, Alisae wrote:
In post 2707, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2703, Alisae wrote:
In post 2695, Hu Tao wrote: Maybe this will help me visualize

Random Nurse - I want to believe their activity and reaction to being scumread for it is NAI but I'm sometimes a suckered for ATE. Will keep an eye on.

Flavor Leaf - likely town unless mafia are informed but unlikely

NorwegianboyEE - towny vibes

Firebringer- scummy vibes but might be way of posting

JasonWazza* - I like their posts but something makes me weary of them not sure what

Takutai - towny vibes

Roden - probably scum

sheepsaysmeep - towny vibes since previous slot was towny

Dunnstral* - Could be coasting? Idk will need to see

Alisae - scummy vibes

Think this is how I'm feeling.
Do u know Sheep's role?
What does that have to do with how I feel about their play?
its a yes or no question

Nor sure if this is a jab at my intelligence or saying I'm not reading the game

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:52 pm

In post 2712, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao also is implying they’re not Cop which is lowering the pool even more.

Like come on, i give it to you on a silver platter.

If you’re town, act like a cop. It’s that simple.

You act like you’re saving cop, but I’ve been doing so much more cop protection than all of y’all, and i get “hypo claiming bad i don’t understand it so bad”

I did not confirm or deny anything. I just stated that I've townread norwee since yesterday.

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:54 pm

How about we let others give their opinions on it then?

Me and sheep are against

You and Alisae are for. If majority want to do it I'll play along

Hu Tao · Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:56 pm

In post 2717, Flavor Leaf wrote: Here’s the thing, Hu Tao, you were talking about scum in veteran players, but the Hypo claim Strat destroys that side of things.

A Veteran Scum player will already likely have a good idea where a Cop is, if they exist.

It’s a little harder for town because they don’t know where scum is.

I already have a great idea where a Cop is in this game, and have been playing to muddy the waters more because while I know I have master level intuition, scum team probably has a decent chance of finding it already.

Even so, narrowing down helps a veteran scum get their idea right. Clearly they were wrong last night

Hu Tao · Post Post #2729 (isolation #82) » Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:01 pm

I'm still against, but I'll see how others view it. Maybe it's more common in this site. I'll be back a bit later

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:35 pm

In post 2747, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2699, Hu Tao wrote: VOTE: roden
Roden is like one of my top townreads
What is the reason for this vote, you just said you had trouble getting scumreads too

That's nice. Not going to change my read, and I've scumread them since yesterday

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:38 pm

In post 2776, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m too good for my own good.

The irony

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:42 pm

In post 2805, Firebringer wrote: Hua Toa, Dunnstral, Nurse?
I could potentially swap out nurse for one of Alisae/Norwee

This seems lazy. Just top 3 lowest posters.

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:44 pm

In post 2831, Roden wrote: VOTE: Nurse

I think this is the best place to go in my scum reads right now without breaking anyone's hypo-claim illusions.

Why would you care so much about hypo stuff when not everyone has replied on it.

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:45 pm

In post 2832, JasonWazza wrote: Love how FL is refusing to do anything useful, and is instead focusing on hypo-claiming against as a scum pool, which doesn't make sense at all considering if any town is in the against category, then there is a town reason to be against hypo-claiming, and assuming scum must be in the against grouping doesn't make sense.

My experience with him is that he is set in his ways and it's NAI. I just think he's town but wrong, likely barking up the wrong tree here.

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:46 pm

In post 2837, Flavor Leaf wrote: All I hear from Jason’s mouth is:

FLAVOR FLAVOR NOOO WAAAH FLAVOR NOT DOING ANYTHING ALL BU HYPO NOOO FLAVOR WHY

Pot calling the kettle black.

I know I’m interesting, but damn, get some new material. I can’t be your only hobbt

you're funny to play with

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:48 pm

In post 2846, Roden wrote:
In post 2844, Takutai wrote:
In post 2716, Hu Tao wrote: How about we let others give their opinions on it then?

Me and sheep are against

You and Alisae are for. If majority want to do it I'll play along
You are town don't let these hyperposters draw you out, scum just want confusion for mis-elims here because they can't win any other way.
Your top scum read flipped town. It's time to reassess.

I townread yesterday's Elim, why not reassess me then since you want him to reassess based on yesterday's elim

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:53 pm

In post 2893, Roden wrote:
In post 2861, Takutai wrote:
In post 2856, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 2849, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao, Random, or Norwegian fade today.
these are all kinda bad imo
Yeah Roden Fire and Leaf have poes so basic not sure theyre even readin some slots. Feeps like 'who can we kill' and not 'who's scum'
My dude, you tried shooting for the stars and hit town. Sometimes scum just don't do shit and actually do sit in an easy PoE. I'm not even saying my PoE is the entire scum team but a place to start.

Hu Tao isn't doing shit and has a PoE of exactly one person (me) and waited ten days to actually vote me after testing the waters. Nurse is doing even less but also tried shifting suspicion to me at the last minute with the slimiest pivot possible. Dunn is a non-entity in this game and spent a hefty amount of time just reacting to my scum read on him.

It's wild to me to see that scum killed one of the few players that was preventing apathy from sitting in, and then think "hmmmm the dead weight slots who keep trying to kill town WIM must all be town, and the slots trying to keep the game alive must all be scum"

This is false, I just posted a reads list with more than you I had scummy. And just because I didn't hard scumread you yesterday that's considered a bad thing?

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:53 pm

In post 2895, Alisae wrote: VOTE: Takutai

Yikes

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:54 pm

In post 2901, Alisae wrote: I don't get it, I feel like I can't identify a single fucking wolf

Copying me I see. /s

But really. Why vote someone and then say this? Seems fake

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:55 pm

In post 2909, Flavor Leaf wrote: Look at this game as if it were a Takutai Scum world.

It just is.

Takutai/Random/Dunnstral scum team makes a lot of fucking sense

All I had to do was leave for a few hours for you to stop tunneling me?

I'll remember this

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:57 pm

In post 2913, Alisae wrote: VOTE: takutai

VOTE: alisae

The whole vote, then unvote, then pretending not to know what's happening then revote just seems fake.

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:59 pm

In post 2936, Roden wrote: Has scum ever used "fuck you guys, I'm gonna go be an artist instead" as AtE before

Hu Tao · Post Post #3004 (isolation #96) » Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:00 pm

In post 2937, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 2903, Flavor Leaf wrote: And I’m not fully sold on Hu Tao or anyone being scum.

Give me fucking reasons

People just going “this town. Nope i think that’s wrong”

Give me fucking why you think those.

I could care less about if people town read or scum read on a surface ass black and white level.

Give me the layers of why. Give me arguments you see from both perspectives.

Learn to work with others who have different reads than yourself
I'll actually talk a bit about nurse

I only have like a couple completed games with nurse, but I think as town and mafia they were so different that it's ok to make meta conclusions

I think town nurse is really like, expecting things from people. and like very aggressively confident and trying to get what they want. whereas scum him is... not really that.
I think it would be a stretch to call this
SIMILAR
to the towngame, but I think things like not being aggro could be explained by the game having so much volume compared to his presence

so there are a bunch of posts I think are town indicative for him like 489/490, 556 + 558 + 575. 1878

that said I guess I like this a bit less reading through now lol, I think he's asking a lotta basic questions and putting in effort to being reasonable to others' pov's that reminds me more of scum!nurse lmao, maybe i'd end up voting lol

I'll look and compare last game to this, good point

Hu Tao · Post Post #3006 (isolation #97) » Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:05 pm

In post 2997, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2991, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2832, JasonWazza wrote: Love how FL is refusing to do anything useful, and is instead focusing on hypo-claiming against as a scum pool, which doesn't make sense at all considering if any town is in the against category, then there is a town reason to be against hypo-claiming, and assuming scum must be in the against grouping doesn't make sense.
My experience with him is that he is set in his ways and it's NAI. I just think he's town but wrong, likely barking up the wrong tree here.
What tree are you referring to?

I'm saying Jason is likely wrong about you being scum if that's what he was getting at

Hu Tao · Post Post #3010 (isolation #98) » Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:06 pm

In post 3009, Flavor Leaf wrote: And my Osuka read was correct.

Mine too

Hu Tao · Post Post #3011 (isolation #99) » Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:06 pm

So my Alisae read is likely correct too. Vote there

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:11 pm

In post 3013, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao, you realize if I go Alisae nobody else will follow right now right?

Who cares, as long as we are right it's fine. But maybe a bit of pressure would help.

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:13 pm

I'm softening my roden scumread, his posts are coming off as genuine.

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:18 pm

That's a discredit. I explained why I voted you. That whole process sounded fake.

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:54 pm

In post 3026, Takutai wrote:
In post 2999, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2913, Alisae wrote: VOTE: takutai
VOTE: alisae

The whole vote, then unvote, then pretending not to know what's happening then revote just seems fake.
You're not going to get a straight answer from Alisae about their vote on me because it reveals too much and you're probably right, they fully know I'm town.

I'm just curious how Roden's holding up in your mind, and how you've felt about flavor continously saying he won't vote alisae because then no one else will, while clearly going with this person's takes after having 'cleared' them as a miller?

Roden I'm not as sure on anymore. Think he could be town but unsure. And flavor I kinda don't get his reasoning for stuff at times

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:58 pm

In post 3058, Takutai wrote:
In post 3044, Firebringer wrote: Id much rather go for Hu Tao or Dunn today
I don't understand any townreads on dunn.
I'll explain my main operating instincts to you my read on you isn't solid but I sense rationality: Random Nurse felt town to me to Day One, I'm sticking with that and giving the slot a chance despite inactivity. I have two completed town games with Hu Tao, he feels fully town. I have game with Dunnstral where he was town and one where he was scum, Dunnstral being scum here will be a hard sell.

I have played with you twice also I believe and for now I'm attaching merit to you not being that engaged with this game, it's understandable.

I really, really like Roden as a person right now I just think he's a likely scum flip, sadly. Going through his ISO I fail to see town motivation and his backing up of me while appreciated feel informed.

I don't know what to feel about sheep anymore but I'm leaving them alone.

Norwee.... Now we enter interesting territory. I can write pages here and not conclude anything so not voting them for now...

I don't remember playing with you. Are you an alt? Maybe I have bad memory

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:59 pm

In post 3063, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3058, Takutai wrote: I have two completed town games with Hu Tao, he feels fully town
I have one completed game with Hu Tao and i don't see the similarities here to that one.
Want to go deeper ino this?

What's different?

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:07 pm

In post 3119, Takutai wrote:
In post 3117, Hu Tao wrote:

Roden I'm not as sure on anymore. Think he could be town but unsure. And flavor I kinda don't get his reasoning for stuff at times
Thank you! I should really log off now lol. I'm okay with voting Alisae because really I'm feeling they're acting from behind a facade.

You still feel really really good to me but when you get the time can you tell me what you think about dunnstral, norwee and firebringer? I guess I have to probe everyone here and if you're town I can only see you looking better.

Dunn I have no clue. Seems busy or lurking can't tell.

Norwee feels town to me

Fire feels scum to me but I'm not strongly feeling it. Just a gut feel

Hu Tao · Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:08 pm

RN is acting very different to last game I was in with him where he was scum. This vibe is 180 so I want to Town read it.

Hu Tao · Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:39 pm

In post 3185, bob3141 wrote:
In post 3184, Alisae wrote: It’s a question that gauges your Norwee tr strength.
Its a foolish question to ask. i repped in lunch time and have only had 30-60 mins to catch up on long thread. How strong do you expect my read to me.

Doesn't alisae's question seem forced

Hu Tao · Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:40 pm

Also hi Bob nice to see you again

Hu Tao · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:07 pm

In post 3193, Alisae wrote:
In post 3191, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 3185, bob3141 wrote:
In post 3184, Alisae wrote: It’s a question that gauges your Norwee tr strength.
Its a foolish question to ask. i repped in lunch time and have only had 30-60 mins to catch up on long thread. How strong do you expect my read to me.
Doesn't alisae's question seem forced
ok so you're clueless

You were so nice to me when the game started but now you're being a meanie

Hu Tao · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:09 pm

In post 3194, Flavor Leaf wrote: How did Random Nurse act differently in that game?

If it’s pure activity, then I think it’s NAI, and you’re discounting a decade + long player’s scum range.

But I did like the back and forth we had yesterday, I’m just more curious on the people saying Nurse was 180.

Because I don’t personally see enough content from them to make that judgement, and I’ve played many games with them, albeit a while ago

He never used activity as an excuse at all last game. Not that I remember

Hu Tao · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:11 pm

In post 3195, Takutai wrote:
In post 3192, Hu Tao wrote: Also hi Bob nice to see you again
Dunnstral not that active so as this day goes by you're the person I'm most likely to interact with today. If we can reach clarity on the Bob slot,and I am feeling town on Bob so far, and at least agree that dunnstral and nurse haven't really showed scum intent so far and aren't ideal pushes for today, we're solid moving forward even if we don't exactly agree on all of our reads. Nurse, Jason, Dunnstral and you were townpicks I were comfortable with day one and I haven't seen major reasons to veer away from that.

I'll keep my reservations on Bob for now. I'll need more time to gather my thoughts on him

Hu Tao · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:12 pm

In post 3197, Flavor Leaf wrote: My gamestate intuition makes me feel today’s fade is either Alisae or Dunnstral, and I think they’re both fine.

I think I’m leaning Alisae, sorry, Alisae.

I'm probably fine with either

Hu Tao · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:13 pm

In post 3201, Alisae wrote:
In post 3199, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 3193, Alisae wrote:
In post 3191, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 3185, bob3141 wrote:
In post 3184, Alisae wrote: It’s a question that gauges your Norwee tr strength.
Its a foolish question to ask. i repped in lunch time and have only had 30-60 mins to catch up on long thread. How strong do you expect my read to me.
Doesn't alisae's question seem forced
ok so you're clueless
You were so nice to me when the game started but now you're being a meanie
This isn't me being mean, there just isn't really a nice way for me to say "you don't know what's going on"
I think elaborating on this is anti-town but you could figure out why I'm asking this for yourself.

You keep trying to paint me as clueless for some reason. And you're the only one thinking that. Care to explain why?

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:59 pm

In post 3211, Flavor Leaf wrote: May I ask what generation you’re from, Hu Tao? Like boomer, gen Z, millennial.

If not comfortable with that, it’s okay, I’m just psycho analyzing. I have my guesses as to where, but want to make sure.

Millennial

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:02 pm

In post 3275, NorwegianboyEE wrote: I would bet my life this game on Alisae being town.

Can you try to sell me on this?

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:04 pm

In post 2964, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2695, Hu Tao wrote: Dunnstral* - Could be coasting? Idk will need to see
What are you waiting for, exactly?

This is in reply to your big post later. But basically I'm wondering if you're coasting because you're not posting much. But I'm not saying you are, just wondering. I haven't had much to go off of you

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:05 pm

In post 3301, Flavor Leaf wrote: This is not town Norwegian, they aren’t this bad.

They’re just compensating.

Sorry, Ali. You’re wrong

I think you're both town tbh

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:09 pm

In post 3339, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Sheepsaymeep
Bob
Alisae

Roden
Hu Tao
Dunnstral
Firebringer

Random Nurse
NorwegianBoyEE

Takutai

Town
-
Lean Town
-
Light Town
-
Neutral
-
Light Scum
-
Lean Scum
-
Scum

Deleted a tier, and forgot to add them where I was gonna, so added Dunn and Fire here.

If Dunn and fire are both scum I'm voting you /s

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:11 pm

In post 3380, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Thinking Dunn has been a bit iffy, and i just don’t think Taku is scum nor a good elim today.
Roden dunno, could go either way. But they do feel gut town like a lot of slots in this game so that’s why i went Dunn over them.

RN eh… i probably need to go over a bit more why i don’t wanna do them, but since i’m at work i’ll just say i don’t feel like voting them either today.

I liked dunn's catch up. I didn't like RNs catch up for some reason.

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:12 pm

In post 3399, Takutai wrote: VOTE: Dunnstral

Roden I'll give you some space to chill but If you haven't handled my pink post in 12 hours well.

Dunnstral I just skimmed your recent post I'm voting you because I'd like to see a bit more from you, it's that basic for now.

Eh. I think his last few posts were fine. What didn't you like?

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:13 pm

In post 3418, bob3141 wrote: that posts just chit chat

i have 137 pages to catch up on :-p give me a little time. i normaly spend hours on just 10 page stetch so 137 is going to take time

Good luck with that

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:20 pm

In post 3427, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 195, Takutai wrote: Tal either a vanilla or scum. Flavor leaf loves rolefishes so let's see who can pressure next.

In post 204, Takutai wrote: I've read a single flavor game some time ago and I knew this was a person that was going to push me on tone and behavior, obviously I've already played into that. I'm okay with killing the miller today unless he proves his value. Consider me entitled: That's the flavor I want to see.

It's early, if I don't I dont see a problem with yeeting a miller claim if there's no obvs scum.

In post 210, Takutai wrote: So no. I am a vannilla town. Flavor leaf hates claims day one and I fully agree. I fully believe town wins with less claims. But I came into this expecting flavor leaf to push me. I understood the kind of thing he was going to launch on me. The game I read he was vanilla. So new rules.

If a cop listens to this experienced page 9 miller it's a pretty useless night action to confirm an expendable vanilla, aka moi. So by the rulebook the elim should be either me or flavor unless fortune offers town insight. I'm lazy so I hope you're able to find scum leaf.
this was from the very beginning of the game.

they came in with a complete agenda this game.

they is also a full on lie, because you can tell they are familiar with me, and to that fact, straight up obsessed with the idea of challenging me.

@Hu Tao - This is the same type of energy Enchant had with me in that one game. It is scum indicative.

That's true. Do you have history with taku

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:24 pm

In post 3487, Random Nurse wrote: The thing that's really starting to annoy me is that people are acting as if all these Miller claims mean they MUST be Town.

Did it ever occur to anyone that Scum could be informed about there being one or more Millers in the game?

Um. Who said that?

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:28 pm

In post 3517, Flavor Leaf wrote: I lied about my Miller claim, btw.

I'm a Cop who was trying to get Miller claims outed so I didn't target them.

I was telling the truth about Hu Tao scum, so just fade there.

I wanna see how people react to this. Glad I came late to this

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:29 pm

In post 3521, Takutai wrote:
In post 3517, Flavor Leaf wrote: I lied about my Miller claim, btw.

I'm a Cop who was trying to get Miller claims outed so I didn't target them.

I was telling the truth about Hu Tao scum, so just fade there.
This was actually my guiding instinct through the earlier half of day one, but I'm still okay going against flavor for now. If this is actually a cop claim and Hu Tao is actually scum I'm doomed unless I effort and honestly I doubt I'll effort, at least I am actually a vt.

I'm not sure how to take this reaction

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:37 pm

In post 3550, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 3517, Flavor Leaf wrote: I lied about my Miller claim, btw.

I'm a Cop who was trying to get Miller claims outed so I didn't target them.

I was telling the truth about Hu Tao scum, so just fade there.
This is a joke right?
You haven’t been going after Hu Tao at all this game day.

He was earlier

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:43 pm

In post 3583, Alisae wrote: LOOK
I think
I want to flip Nurse and Hu Tao.
Those two I think are obviously mafia together, let's start and go from there I think

I am more open to RN now than before

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:49 pm

In post 3611, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2964, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2695, Hu Tao wrote: Dunnstral* - Could be coasting? Idk will need to see
What are you waiting for, exactly?

In post 3126, Hu Tao wrote: Dunn I have no clue. Seems busy or lurking can't tell.
These posts bother me.

Fair, I explained it after if it didn't make sense earlier

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:50 pm

In post 3617, Firebringer wrote: funny story for u all
i tried to quit my job today. Then the partner called me and spent 15-20 minutes convincing me to 'give it another try', so now im still at my job and taking a half day.
Kind of still want to quit.

Anyways enough about my personal life
Why aren't we voting Hu Tao

Know your worth!! Quit

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:51 pm

In post 3630, Flavor Leaf wrote: This is funny to see in real time

what do you think of everyone's reactions?

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:06 pm

In post 3646, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3623, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 2964, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2695, Hu Tao wrote: Dunnstral* - Could be coasting? Idk will need to see
What are you waiting for, exactly?
This is in reply to your big post later. But basically I'm wondering if you're coasting because you're not posting much. But I'm not saying you are, just wondering. I haven't had much to go off of you
Yes but what are you looking for from me that is going to change your opinion. That was not clear to me so it feels to me like you are posturing by saying that rather than really thinking about it.

Look, you are 3600 posts into the thread, how much longer do you need to determine if I'm coasting or not? That does not seem right to me.

Well considering that was your first time talking since then, I would say when you post more. I also feel more people have been saying that about you too but you've been focused on only me saying it for some reason

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:07 pm

And I stated after I liked your catch up

Hu Tao · Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:32 pm

In post 3649, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3647, Hu Tao wrote: I also feel more people have been saying that about you too but you've been focused on only me saying it for some reason
Where did this happen?

It is possible (and likely) that I missed it. I might not have a problem with it depending on how it was said.

FL saying your alignment becomes more clearer later on. Which is basically what I said but differently

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:43 am

In post 3666, bob3141 wrote:
In post 3657, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2680, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2678, Alisae wrote:
In post 2675, Hu Tao wrote: If town pr has anything they will claim or just soft.
this is arguably worse

Hu Tao is obv scum. If I die, you’ll know that anyways.
Hmm ok.
Unless Flavour attempted to set up a future cop claim i suppose i’m leaning towards the claim being real.
Besides they already went hard on being miller so setting up another claim if that failed is a bit too much tinfoil for me to care on day 2.

I’ll trust it.

VOTE: Hu Tao
I would never trust Flav claims as town unless its day 4 or so. Seen him countless times get frustrated as town and fake a guilty of player just to get one of his scum reads through.

Yeah norwee's vote here is sus

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:43 am

Especially when they seem to have history with FL

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:45 am

In post 3683, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Also if Hu Tao is scum then their response to a guilty was to just laugh and walk away.

Or I caught up and there was nothing else to read. Don't tell me I was wrong on you

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:46 am

In post 3684, bob3141 wrote: Hard to tell if the reasons Hu Tao is being scum read is simply similar to why players scum read Hu last game.

I get scumread same reason every game as town its funny.

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:48 am

In post 3685, Takutai wrote:
In post 3682, bob3141 wrote: I would still say that the odds that Hu is scum is not bad. As i dont disagree with flavs read on Hu

Although i still dont like how dunn hasnt cast a single vote all game. Dunn if your town just pick someone who you think is scum.
Right now I'm on vanilla or scum for Hu Tao. Vanilla has been my wish and feel most game.

I think maybe Hu Tao can be okay with dying as a vanilla, I know I am. Tone felt weird sure, but there are a plethora of reasons I'm sticking with Roden/Dunnstral/Flavor Leaf.

That said, judging the day by activity alone, pushing in places like sheep and nurse has merit.

No. I just know I'm not scum or Miller. And I know that FL is town just rxn testing people. So I have no need to be worried. I would say I don't like your reaction or norwee's reaction to this which was pretty obvious

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:54 am

I would say sheep Bob and FL are my biggest town reads at the moment.

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:07 am

In post 3694, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 3687, Hu Tao wrote: Especially when they seem to have history with FL
I’ve made my position perfectly clear and an choosing to believe FL. They claimed a guilty on you. Either they are scum or you are scum. If FL fake claimed as town then they can fuck off.

I think it's pretty clear he fake claims a lot in games, no?

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:34 am

In post 3698, Roden wrote: I really hope we're not gonna just sit on our hands and discuss the chances of a fake claim here for the next five days.

Say I'm revealed as confirmed town, who would you say is scum?

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:36 am

In post 3705, Firebringer wrote: its very interesting that hua toa townreads FL despite it all though

Tbh IF i were scum, I'd have the same reaction. But that's besides the point. What do you think of me townreading FL? When I claim I'm not miller?

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:37 am

In post 3711, Alisae wrote: btw the reasoning for voting nurse > hu tao (they are obviously both partnered)

is that maybe mafia won't shoot the cop

why am I partnered with RN?

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:38 am

In post 3712, Firebringer wrote: that doesn't make sense

Finally someone calls Alisae out for not making any sense

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:39 am

In post 3713, Alisae wrote: when FL dies we know he had a guilty on Hu Tao so we can kill Hu Tao after he flips.
I don't mind at all going Nurse > Hu Tao today.
We can always get Hu Tao tomorrow pretty safely as well. Any Vigs that are restraining themselves can also shoot Hu Tao tonight if they exist.

I really don't see why we have to kill Hu Tao today

This makes 0 sense. You're making the case of of RN being scum on the case of me being scum. But not sure on me being scum.

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:41 am

In post 3720, Roden wrote:
In post 3713, Alisae wrote: when FL dies we know he had a guilty on Hu Tao so we can kill Hu Tao after he flips.
I don't mind at all going Nurse > Hu Tao today.
We can always get Hu Tao tomorrow pretty safely as well. Any Vigs that are restraining themselves can also shoot Hu Tao tonight if they exist.

I really don't see why we have to kill Hu Tao today
This potentially becomes disastrous if Nurse flips town and scum don't kill Leaf.

My tinfoil is that nurse may actually be scum and this is Alisae trying to distance but making a bad reason. But I can't justify the reason for bad logic here, so maybe that's not the case. Like if Alisae actually cared about the guilty the play would be to vote me

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:45 am

VOTE: Random Nurse

I'm fine with this

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:43 pm

The game has gotten worse since your fake guilty Flavor

Hu Tao · Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:32 am

Norwee you're sounding like someone who knows its a false guilty and trying to set up an explanation for tomorrow when I flip town to vote FL

Hu Tao · Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:36 am

I've lost interest in this game. This is not fun anymore and FL faking a guilty like that if you're town is not fun. I'm assuming you're town still. I'm hardclaimimg not Miller for those who want to act surprised by the fake guilty like norwee

Hu Tao · Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:58 pm

In post 3811, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 3807, Hu Tao wrote: I've lost interest in this game. This is not fun anymore and FL faking a guilty like that if you're town is not fun. I'm assuming you're town still. I'm hardclaimimg not Miller for those who want to act surprised by the fake guilty like norwee
If you lost interest in the game that is even more reason to vote you out.

VOTE: norwee

Hu Tao · Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:59 pm

In post 3816, Flavor Leaf wrote: I don’t think the team is Nurse, Takutai, Hu Tao ever here.

Let's vote norwee

Hu Tao · Thu Aug 03, 2023 3:01 pm

Wait was that actually already hammer?

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:11 am

In post 3891, Roden wrote: That adds up with Jason suddenly town reading Norwe Day 2 after scum reading him Day 1

Idk why you checked Hu Tao instead of me/Dunn/Leaf though

Says the person who was scumreading me all game

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:13 am

Also I had a change of heart when sleeping. I think flavor is just scum who is informed if norwee is informed.

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:14 am

His play yesterday was pretty bad and I don't think he does that bad as town.

VOTE: flavor

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:32 am

Sheep was obviously town regardless of claims. That's better than killing a scummy person who might be town. And also flavor was clearly never a cop claim

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:33 am

Scum pretty much confirmed me as town with that kill regardless

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:33 am

We vote flavor today. His vote today will give the most info

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:49 am

We should wait but yeah

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:13 am

UNVOTE:

We can wait

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:29 am

Might be pr*

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:59 am

In post 3955, Firebringer wrote: I guarded Roden last night.

Sheep is a weird night kill

Well tonight you are on Bob which shouldn't be up for debate

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:01 am

In post 3956, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3886, bob3141 wrote:
In post 3883, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Are you counterclaiming?
Yep im the cop. I counter claimed straight away by saying flav scum or town gambiting
i said flavor was gambiting as well.

so either this is universe in which both bob/norwee have to be scum together. Unlikely
or norwee/bob/hua are all scum together. Even more unlikely.

or scum team is just FL (tried to bait a counter claim), Alisae, and Dunnstral is my last guess.

I can see that team

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:04 am

In post 3960, Firebringer wrote: and hua was a bad target because of claims

No, I think with all the Miller claims, checking someone who claimed not Miller is fine

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:05 am

In post 3967, Flavor Leaf wrote: Also, fuck y’all for not believing my Miller first claim in post but believing a garbo Cop Claim change when I ACTIVELY TOLD YOU ALL TO NOT BELIEVE OR LET ME CHANGE MY CLAIM

No. Yesterday's vote was on you. Taku was obviously town and you pushed it between me or him two town.

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:26 am

Bob what are your thoughts?

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:55 am

Now you're just being toxic flavor

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:56 am

Bob who do you think is most strongly scum after today?

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:51 am

In post 4113, bob3141 wrote:
In post 4106, Hu Tao wrote: Bob who do you think is most strongly scum after today?
personally leaning roden beign a good bet. Either way even at random we have 50% chance of hitting scum

Why i find so obsurd that flav keeps whining at me when i havnt even full decided on his slot beyond that he will be voted him up elo. As atleast one town player will want him if we miss scum day 3

Agreed

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:52 am

In post 4116, Flavor Leaf wrote: It's also insane cuz I defended both Hu Tao and Norwegian from Alisae on Day 1.

No you didn't. You entertained their meta take until I called them out on it

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:53 am

In post 4154, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu tao, you think Alisae is scum too, right?

Not sure

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:15 pm

In post 4215, Alisae wrote: I just woke bruh is this guy still goin?

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:16 pm

Bob are you ready to vote out flavor?

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:17 pm

Has everyone checked in?

Hu Tao · Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:18 am

In post 4367, bob3141 wrote:
In post 4254, Hu Tao wrote: Bob are you ready to vote out flavor?
Not entirely sure and if we do we should certainly take our time. And the same if we execute someone else.

If flav is town and norw is right on there meta read on alisae. Then that implys dunn/nurse/roden or fire if his claim is false

Flav miller claim is the correct thing to do as town as for him to be scum, scum would need to be informed of the number of millers. So for that to be the case he would only have 8 hours to actual make a plan with ther miller claim. Wouldnt it be just easier to push the millers when they would end up claiming like he did. And it wouldnt even prevent him from claiming miller after the 2nd or 3rd miller claim.

arguement to execute flav would be narrowing down of the millers. But such strat requires fire to be a town protective. As even if scum have a 2 shot strongman he would still be able to prevent scum killing both you and norw before 3 elo.

with 6 uncleared and 1 misexecution,a bg night flip and 2 scum executions that would leave one clear and two uncleared. If one of those is flav then its no more than one miller.

And even if with a scum flav he would still have 2 partners in 5.

now although I do town read nurse at the moment we do know nurse used the strongman n1 as scum last game. If scum only have a 1 shot strongman.

then they cant stop me getting clear or guilty. And if fire is town then he gets nk in my place as scum cant afford not to shot me. which leads to 4 cleared in 7 or 3 clearedand one guilty in 7. If we miss scum prior day then thats 2 scum in 3. which again leads to one clear in elo.

I think FL gets voted out tomorrow by everyone regardless. I don't think fire should be the vote today. So who else?

Hu Tao · Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:33 am

I think Dunn is most likely out of those

Hu Tao · Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:52 am

That was my logic on Dunn before. But sheep kinda softed cop, so likely why he was killed

Hu Tao · Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:52 am

Flav not dunn

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:16 am

This game is a mess

good job to scum

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:40 am

I'm ok voting wherever you want to Bob.

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:32 pm

In post 4416, Firebringer wrote: Norwee and Hu need to stop being lazy and start doing shit.
Either voting or solving here.

I already have my reads I've posted. Not gonna post it over and over

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:24 am

In post 4485, Flavor Leaf wrote: cant trust yall going forward, and town deserve to lose tbh.

Says the one who was on both town wagons both days

Hu Tao · Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:37 am

Fire who did you target?

Hu Tao · Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:43 am

Yeah I agree.

Hu Tao · Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:49 am

Me and Norwee are confirmed town.

Fire claimed bodyguard but has failed to protect anyone. That's kinda where we are

Hu Tao · Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:51 am

We likely don't have a vote out remaining so. Yeah..

Hu Tao · Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:57 pm

I mean.. There is already at least 1 mafia confirmed in fire and RN right now

Hu Tao · Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:27 pm

Interesting discussion

Hu Tao · Mon Aug 14, 2023 2:32 pm

In post 4651, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Hu Tao should make their current reads clear before we elim a slot so we can perform better nightkill analyzis.

Thinking maybe Dunn fire and RN?

Hu Tao · Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:34 pm

Okay everyone mass claim besides me and Norwee

Hu Tao · Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:15 am

In post 4738, NorwegianboyEE wrote: If we have 2 conf!town and nobody died then maybe scum is afraid of FB dying instead of one of me/Hu Tao?

I think we should no Elim here. Force scum to kill.

Hu Tao · Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:55 pm

In post 4795, NorwegianboyEE wrote: If scum was Fire/Aisa they would have quickhammered by now.

My theory is correct.
Scum is either Dunn/Fire or Dunn/Aisa

Can't quick hammer takes 4

Hu Tao · Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:56 pm

I'm ok with Dunn gone though

Hu Tao · Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:47 pm

VOTE: dunn

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:25 am

Yay~ Norwee we make a good team. Who did you target as cop?

Hu Tao · Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:12 am

In post 4939, Firebringer wrote:
In post 4936, Alisae wrote: Fire never shoots Norwee lol
True
even when its advantageous like taking hu to end game when she isn't playing or doing anything was probably smarter, but then i have to be like 'yeah i didn't guard norwee'. Or you know lie and say for a third time there was a failed BG.

Honestly after my second failed bg i should have been instant elimmed. The plan was to kill me after we killed bob but the game made a wild shift onto Nurse.

I had already given my scumreads at that point. I was going to let everyone else talk