Mini Normal 2304: Conway's Game Of Life [GAME OVER!]

[Hu Tao]

Hello

[Hu Tao]

I like Espeonage so far for being town. I've had that thought before of scum doing the lining up thing.

[Hu Tao]

hu tao where was the lining up

I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm saying it's something ive mentioned as town before

[Hu Tao]

oh wait yeah meh I found it, HEM calls espeonage a potential partner to owl

I feel really good about Owl being town.

There is AT LEAST one scum in Esp/Hu

Bella is the wildcard, feel like they are informed.

Wow you caught me

[Hu Tao]

can u explain those more? I think theyre weird

Owl is over eager town.

Esp wants to control the game, but is projecting it onto Monkey.

Hu is too eager to sheep Esp......Thinking actually they cannot be scum together, but high equity one of them is.

Bella was just happy to throw out some town reads(this one is definitely a more snap read, just pinged me in all the wrong places).

This is exactly what espeon means. "Both not scum but 1 definitely is" and then that gives reason to vote the other if one flips town. Suspicious of drew

[Hu Tao]

oh wait yeah meh I found it, HEM calls espeonage a potential partner to owl

I feel really good about Owl being town.

There is AT LEAST one scum in Esp/Hu

Bella is the wildcard, feel like they are informed.

This is also setting up elims as well by the way. Don't fuck everything up if this is just stubborn tvt.

Glad you saw this too.

[Hu Tao]

no idea how anyone could read Hu either way. they have exactly two posts: a hello, and sheeping espeon. these don't strike me as alignment indicative

I never said I agreed with the read, just the thought that lining up vote outs are a thing. But yes I agree. Which is why drew is suspect

[Hu Tao]

I like Espeonage so far for being town. I've had that thought before of scum doing the lining up thing.

What makes you think that Espeonage is town. Is it just one thought he had and if so what is that specific thought as he is the top poster

Bob I literally explained this in the post you quoted...this reads as pretending to look busy and pretending to scumhunt.

VOTE: bob

[Hu Tao]

At this stage Hu Tao, would you say Bob is more suspicious than Drew? Also, why do you think Drew is suspect and you seem to not agree with Espe that I'm scummy for lining up elims? Is it more suspect because Drew's reads particularly involves you and your townread?

At this stage I don't think it matters who is scummier when it's based off so little. Not like the day is ending in a page. In terms of Drew, its because he started to line up elims by saying a scum had to be in me and espeon which is a ridiculous statement this early

[Hu Tao]

I like Espeonage so far for being town. I've had that thought before of scum doing the lining up thing.

What makes you think that Espeonage is town. Is it just one thought he had and if so what is that specific thought as he is the top poster

Bob I literally explained this in the post you quoted...this reads as pretending to look busy and pretending to scumhunt.

VOTE: bob

I am intervening to say that this doesn't really make sense because it appears that you did not read Bob's post in full -- it was asking for a specific thought, and you said you've had that thought, but didn't clarify which! And Bob was asking so that they could understand!

He asked for what thought and I gave the thought. Not sure what needs to be clarified

[Hu Tao]

I like Espeonage so far for being town. I've had that thought before of scum doing the lining up thing.

What makes you think that Espeonage is town. Is it just one thought he had and if so what is that specific thought as he is the top poster

Bob I literally explained this in the post you quoted...this reads as pretending to look busy and pretending to scumhunt.

VOTE: bob

No you explained that you think Espeonage was town because he had a thought that you would have as town but this was after Espeonage had a great many thoughts. I want to know which thought exactly it was

The thought that scum likes to line up elims. It's not something scum seems to think about especially early on. If that clarification helps

[Hu Tao]

I disagree about the setting up lims thing. idk, it's probably not scummy of you, but I think "at least one mafia in these people" or "these ppl could be partners" is like insanely ridiculously common in early pages. for a lot of people it's just how they express reads, + if anything it's towny to me just for having complex thoughts lol. like you said, it's like page 5 and everything is based off of so little, no one actually thinks theyre setting up multiple lims in practicality

Saying that 3 pages in seems very forced. When I had literally had no more than 15 words maybe

[Hu Tao]

But we can agree to disagree on it

[Hu Tao]

I love your energetic attitude

[Hu Tao]

I like Espeonage so far for being town. I've had that thought before of scum doing the lining up thing.

What makes you think that Espeonage is town. Is it just one thought he had and if so what is that specific thought as he is the top poster

Bob I literally explained this in the post you quoted...this reads as pretending to look busy and pretending to scumhunt.

VOTE: bob

No you explained that you think Espeonage was town because he had a thought that you would have as town but this was after Espeonage had a great many thoughts. I want to know which thought exactly it was

The thought that scum likes to line up elims. It's not something scum seems to think about especially early on. If that clarification helps

Yes it does. My gut says your town

Even your vote on me though misguided does feel like

omgus town

. But most votes this early are pretty much a shot in the dark

Um how? You never stated you scumread me? Again it feels like these aren't real reads

[Hu Tao]

I disagree about the setting up lims thing. idk, it's probably not scummy of you, but I think "at least one mafia in these people" or "these ppl could be partners" is like insanely ridiculously common in early pages. for a lot of people it's just how they express reads, + if anything it's towny to me just for having complex thoughts lol. like you said, it's like page 5 and everything is based off of so little, no one actually thinks theyre setting up multiple lims in practicality

Saying that 3 pages in seems very forced. When I had literally had no more than 15 words maybe

You don't have to say much to say you are scum.

It definitely is a vibe read, but was definitely the first real 'hmm, hold on a sec' moment.

Same with Bella being informed.

At the very least a good place as a jumping off point to find scum.

Okay fine. What's your read on bob?

[Hu Tao]

Dunnstral's a difficult read for me so take it with a grain of salt, it just feels different from scum dunnstral. dunnstral in TM was kind of slinking in the background and here dunn feels more engaged.

Eh... I find this read sort of suspect. You are comparing a full game to 7 posts in this one, one to the mod and one saying to use "Elimination". It just feels like this read is a little forced.

I’m unsure if Drew’s play currently comes from mafia! We very recently finished a game where we were mafia together and in that my impression of Drew was that he was a lot more passive early on and not intently rocking the boat, which seems different than his reading and then jumping straight to voting!!

This seems like a good reason to hold off on voting Dr Drew.

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VOTE: Hu Tao

This one is just a feeling

At least I know not to listen to your feelings this game

[Hu Tao]

I'll catchup tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

Sorry. I've been a bit busy. I'll catch up tomorrow for sure.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

would like to see more from them. perhaps their thoughts on drew?

VOTE: owl

I've barely posted in the past 3 or 4 days and still have more posts than you but your reasoning for voting me is 'wanting to see more' sure. This seems like you just noticed me saying I'd catch up later and wanted a reason to vote someone

[Hu Tao]

Also I've posted my thoughts on drew in the past already. So you didn't iso me or want to see more from me otherwise you would have seen that already

[Hu Tao]

whats your take on them doctor drew

VOTE: Hu Tao

would like to see more from them. perhaps their thoughts on drew?

Seems like trying to piggyback on this and not actually paying attention

[Hu Tao]

How is that opportunistic when there are several other players with more votes than Hu Tao that they could have voted?

I posted my reason why I think it is imo

[Hu Tao]

sheepsaysmeep - town
Doctor Drew - towny
humaneatingmonkey - town
Peregrine - towny but maybe it's just the good vibes lmaoo
Random Nurse - towny
bob3141 - towny, but it's almost a "too wolfy to be wolf" read so it's a weird area
Dunnstral - ever slightly townlean I guess

Bellaphant - idk
Not_Mafia - no clue
Hu Tao - he's fine but sort of disappointing/underwhelming and maybe that's wolfy idk please go closer to your full potential
Save The Dragons - pings me a little
Espeonage - scummy I think
Quiet Owl - scummy

Explain why I'm disappointing so far?

[Hu Tao]

I didn't miss much I see. While I still think Bob is a suspect, he did catch the same thing I did with owl which is interesting.

[Hu Tao]

I really don't like Hu's catch up here.

Very defensive and discrediting.

You're very hot and cold. You suspect me, then vote my scumread saying I convince you then you suspect me again

[Hu Tao]

I admit I expected Hu Tao's return to include more mentions of Espe and me, but it seems everybody's actively trying to avoid talking about us.
How about you, what were you expecting?

I know this wasn't directed to me but why expect this? Cause you're both the top scumreads?

[Hu Tao]

I know this wasn't directed to me but why expect this? Cause you're both the top scumreads?

Do you feel I'm the top scumread? Espe is the top wagon, I don't feel like I'm the top scumread.
Why do you scumread me?

I feel like you didn't even read my post. Nowhere did I say I scumread you. I already said esp in the original post and you because you both had the top votes at the time

[Hu Tao]

hu and bob seems like town vs town. having looked closely at their interactions, drew's behaviour looks even weirder. a really really awkward pocketing attempt maybe?

Also why the vote on Hy Tao when as far as i can tell the only really prior stance on him is this one. going from hu looking liek town to a vote.

On the back of dunns vote on Hu Tao. Looks very opportunistic and with little progression.

VOTE: Owl

"opportunistic" opportunistic would be going after espeon at this point.
i would like to be able to sort hu's slot confidently, prior to voting i was giving them a weak townread, but their catty behaviour since isn't alignment indicative and just makes me dislike them as a person.

hu, please reconsider your approach to the game?

? Catty how? scumreading you is all I did?

[Hu Tao]

I don't see how people are reading Hu Tao's recent posts as town. Basically all they did is defend themselves against suspicion and vote the person who voted them. I mean, maybe that doesn't make them mafia, but how are people going from null to town?

Suspicious post. Reads as someone that is upset that someone they know is town is being townread unrighteously. How about instead of saying why I'm not town for those posts, explain why I'm mafia?

[Hu Tao]

I don't see how people are reading Hu Tao's recent posts as town. Basically all they did is defend themselves against suspicion and vote the person who voted them. I mean, maybe that doesn't make them mafia, but how are people going from null to town?

because this is exactly how they behaved in previous games with them when they were town

So you're saying that you think I'd be uncapable of doing this as scum? If so, what would be hard to replicate?

[Hu Tao]

I don't see how people are reading Hu Tao's recent posts as town. Basically all they did is defend themselves against suspicion and vote the person who voted them. I mean, maybe that doesn't make them mafia, but how are people going from null to town?

because this is exactly how they behaved in previous games with them when they were town

So you're saying that you think I'd be uncapable of doing this as scum? If so, what would be hard to replicate?

This seems at odds with your post right above where you basically say the opposite?

How? Me saying how you're sounding upset I'm being Town read vs me asking dragons why he thinks I can't be scum is 2 different things.

[Hu Tao]

I don't see how people are reading Hu Tao's recent posts as town. Basically all they did is defend themselves against suspicion and vote the person who voted them. I mean, maybe that doesn't make them mafia, but how are people going from null to town?

because this is exactly how they behaved in previous games with them when they were town

So you're saying that you think I'd be uncapable of doing this as scum? If so, what would be hard to replicate?

i feel you'd be different in a noticeable way

How do you think I'd act then if it would be noticeable

[Hu Tao]

Why is everyone so suspicious

[Hu Tao]

Why is everyone so suspicious

who's suspicious hu tao

Everyone

[Hu Tao]

I actually townread std's responses to u lmfao

That makes one of us. In my point of view he could be trying to pocket me. But unsure

[Hu Tao]

I'm still fine with quiet owl gone

[Hu Tao]

Dunn who is scum besides?

[Hu Tao]

Is vig this common on this site? I swear every game I've been in has one good work though

[Hu Tao]

I'm kinda leaning toward Bob being town actually

[Hu Tao]

Like I said yesterday he had a similar thought process to me toward the end. Also I'm not liking how Bob is the sudden scumread from RN flip. Seems like a lazy read. Who else do you think is scum? Maybe we should look as to why Dunn died?

[Hu Tao]

Ah, Norwegian is Quiet Owl slot. Yeah I wouldn't let them determine the narrative this game. I'll wait for others to catch up.

[Hu Tao]

Invisibility jumping on Bob right away after Norwegian is suspect too. What happened to your previous reads?

[Hu Tao]

Your reasons for townreading Bob are irrelevant noise in the great machinations i have in mind for this game.

I townread t3 slot for weird reason including same mindset and they were town. So I rest my case. What do you think of invisibility?

[Hu Tao]

You and Hu Tao are in sync!

I'm kinda leaning toward Bob being town actually

I think Hu Tao is town

Kinda a misrep but you're a replacement so I'll let it slide.

[Hu Tao]

You and Hu Tao are in sync!

I'm kinda leaning toward Bob being town actually

I think Hu Tao is town

not really, ive been town reading for while

Hu Tao only started town reading me start of day 2

It was a joke.

[Hu Tao]

I don't feel like Bob's response to my FOS is scummy, this is tragic.
I need to view this game from an different angle.

Start it by voting this instead

VOTE: invisibility

[Hu Tao]

Invisibility so what are your reads on other players?

In post 485 you said you were caught up. I cant see you stating anywhere who you town read, who is neutral and you have only made 3 pushs. One vs HEM, second one against T3 with weak reasoning and third against me.

I did say how I found posts from Hu to be townie yesterday. I agreed with Owl the assertion that coming out of the gate swinging with the wagon thing suggested Owl was town. Don't really have much else on that slot or any slot for that matter.

Care to quote these posts reagrding owl. As you iso shows nothing when i search "owl". Well apart from this post im quoting.

Good questions

[Hu Tao]

I should say that I didn't like Hu Tao's posting at the beginning of today. She said to look elsewhere without providing a substantive elsewhere to look (592).

Just trying to start a conversation

[Hu Tao]

NBEE is there anything more to your Hu Tao tr besides the bob pocket?

What Bob pocket?
Btw i think i'm leaning more null on Hu Tao after all, i don't remember what i found townie from them. Looking at their ISO it's a bit meh.

Actually yeah, my reasoning for townreading Hu Tao was bad on re-read.
They are null ish.

Yeah at the time I asked, you had Hu Tao at the top of your townreads without saying much about them besides mentioning you thought bob was trying to pocket them. So your reasoning at the time was just "bob is pocketing hu tao"? You can't remember why you found them townie, which happened just earlier today? Seems a bit sus.

I agree. Not really sure why they had me town. I mean Dunn scumread me and he died if anything

[Hu Tao]

Also what are your current reads on


Doctor Drew/BloodB0t

Peregrine

sheepsaysmeep

Save The Dragons

humaneatingmonkey


I would add NM but who can say to have a read on him lol

what do you hope to gain from asking this?

So are you saying you have no reads on these players?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: hme

I think their post about n_m was weird

[Hu Tao]

I'll catch up tomorrow. Had a hectic 2 days

[Hu Tao]

considering HEM scummy for wanting to vote n_m feels too easy lol
I still have my misgivings but I feel sorta better about Bob after our exchange made me see like a solving viewpoint from them.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Why?

[Hu Tao]

I really don't know if I will have a lot of time for this but!!!! I am going to just claim for now, I am a compulsive bodyguard and please tell me who to guard! I was on HEM last night!!

I feel it best to just say this if I am in some people's POE, if the mafia wants to kill me by virtue of being a PR so be it!!! But otherwise if I am given a pool of two or three people I will decide who to guard within them!!!

What was the point of claiming

[Hu Tao]

I want these slots the most to not be NK’ed right now: {Invisibility, StD, Bob3141}

Whether Bloodsh0t flips mafia or town might change my thoughts a bit though. I think i’ll make a list based on both outcomes when i get more time.

Why those 3

[Hu Tao]

Why would hem's role be town? Can we just vote them out. I hate the meta of unvoting when someone scummy claims just because they claimed something. Even if town that role will serve no purpose to us.

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

I actually think std is scum now. But I know we probably won't have enough votes for it

[Hu Tao]

I don't see how people are reading Hu Tao's recent posts as town. Basically all they did is defend themselves against suspicion and vote the person who voted them. I mean, maybe that doesn't make them mafia, but how are people going from null to town?

because this is exactly how they behaved in previous games with them when they were town

So you're saying that you think I'd be uncapable of doing this as scum? If so, what would be hard to replicate?

i feel you'd be different in a noticeable way

i don't know

You never explained this. And you were trying to use meta to read me. Suddenly you abandoned that after I called you out on it.

You said I'd be different as scum in a noticeable way yet haven't stated said noticeable way when scumreading me

[Hu Tao]

The more I think about it I don't get this game anymore. I'm not sure if it was a bodyguard or vig who did the kill. Not sure what scum has to balance the fact that we likely have lots of bodyguards. Not sure how HEMs role would fit in any of that. I'm assuming scum probably has a bodyguard if that's possible if we have a vig? Too many thoughts for end of day. Either way I'm not against just getting rid of N_M anyway.

[Hu Tao]

i'm saying i think you would appear different from your town game in SOME way. i don't know what way because I don't know what your scum game looks like.

Then you're saying I'm appearing similar to my town game based on what you just said, but think I should be voted out?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: N_M

Let's just remove this distraction earlier rather than later.

[Hu Tao]

I think they are Flipping town but guess we will see

[Hu Tao]

Well. N_M should have been yesterday

[Hu Tao]

Well invisibility that was a quick 180

[Hu Tao]

What are the odds of this being our last day?

[Hu Tao]

Well to be fair. A few of you wanted Bob beginning of yesterday and I derailed that fast. And hem was towntelling at the end and I tried to derail that. Not sure what else to say

[Hu Tao]

There were 2 deaths every night. Even when vig died?

[Hu Tao]

I think it's exactly NM and then one of tao/invis but theyre not w/w

I feel very confident in this gameview but idk it could be bad just because this game feels very unique to anything ive played before

Norwee is town, one example of why is that I still believe the nurse/owl stuff was def w->v

STD is town, I guess could technically be the blindspot he's just seemed the most based to me and has the "not at all trying to appear town" feel recently that ive correctly used to townread him before

peregrine is just too pure to be mafia and the bodyguard claim was probably town

the other slots felt more scum to me

If that's your logic why vote me?

[Hu Tao]

ah

he can still pull off a shot the night he dies. the 2nd death is like 99% him

Why would he not shoot NM. I don't get it..

[Hu Tao]

Well invisibility that was a quick 180

what made you change your mind about limming N_M

I literally said why. He was the only option left with less than a day. And he wasn't a bad one

[Hu Tao]

I think it's exactly NM and then one of tao/invis but theyre not w/w

I feel very confident in this gameview but idk it could be bad just because this game feels very unique to anything ive played before

Norwee is town, one example of why is that I still believe the nurse/owl stuff was def w->v

STD is town, I guess could technically be the blindspot he's just seemed the most based to me and has the "not at all trying to appear town" feel recently that ive correctly used to townread him before

peregrine is just too pure to be mafia and the bodyguard claim was probably town

the other slots felt more scum to me

If that's your logic why vote me?

idk I guess I should be voting NM but isnt this more interesting

Suspicious, you might be scum

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao who do you actually think is scum

Right now I think it's between you sheep and NM

[Hu Tao]

does anyone know if today is the day we're supposed to massclaim?? I feel like it roughly is??

I suck at mech so don't ask me.
I could claim today if people think it's a good idea i guess.

No. I think wait till tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

I think we just vote NM and end day

[Hu Tao]

Hello. I think it's mass claim time yes? I have a guilty and want everyone to claim so scum can't weasel their way out of the guilty with a fake claim

[Hu Tao]

It'll make sense when I claim my role and guilty. But I need everyone else to claim. Don't care on the order

[Hu Tao]

I'd like to go last or 2nd to last. I don't want scum partners to gambit

[Hu Tao]

Are you not willing to claim? If you don't have a guilty, you shouldn't be weary of anything

[Hu Tao]

Like?

[Hu Tao]

Is that a slip?

[Hu Tao]

Can others come and look at that post, cause pretty sure that's a slip. But try to explain what you mean

[Hu Tao]

im not a vt

and I think it means there must be mafia in hu tao / ???peregrine?????

because that would be like, a ridiculous number of town non-vanillas

If you're town from your perspective, there are 5 people remaining. 4 without you included. Meaning 2 town and 2 scum. If you name 3 people it is confirmed mafia in the 3 people... why would you have to think that?

[Hu Tao]

it is possible that there are just a lot of compulsive bodyguards

Pretty sure mod said there are a lot of bodyguards

[Hu Tao]

Either way. Sheep I need you to claim or StD to claim. But I think they are not here. Pere and invis are claiming bodyguard right?

[Hu Tao]

there are 4 people

invisibility
std
hu tao
peregrine

there are 2 mafia in those people

it's possible that hu tao/peregrine are both town. but I thought that's not the case because of setup spec

But you put 3 names using ???? As the 3rd. So that's different than what you're saying.

[Hu Tao]

Did pere say all their previous visits by the way?

[Hu Tao]

Okay I'll claim now. Thankfully we have confirmed scum.

[Hu Tao]

Im a Town Odd Night Traffic Analyst. I can tell who can privately communicate.

N1 I checked Bob and he couldn't privately communicate. If you'll see the difference between my approach day 1 when I scumread Bob and day 2 I hard defended Bob when people started to vote him beginning of day.

N3 I checked StD and he CAN privately communicate.

I was worried there were masons in this setup or something that would make it hard. I was also worried scum would just claim masons or one would claim they have a neighborhood.

[Hu Tao]

I like Espeonage so far for being town. I've had that thought before of scum doing the lining up thing.

What makes you think that Espeonage is town. Is it just one thought he had and if so what is that specific thought as he is the top poster

Bob I literally explained this in the post you quoted...this reads as pretending to look busy and pretending to scumhunt.

VOTE: bob

No you explained that you think Espeonage was town because he had a thought that you would have as town but this was after Espeonage had a great many thoughts. I want to know which thought exactly it was

The thought that scum likes to line up elims. It's not something scum seems to think about especially early on. If that clarification helps

Yes it does. My gut says your town

Even your vote on me though misguided does feel like

omgus town

. But most votes this early are pretty much a shot in the dark

Um how? You never stated you scumread me? Again it feels like these aren't real reads

I'm kinda leaning toward Bob being town actually

Like I said yesterday he had a similar thought process to me toward the end. Also I'm not liking how Bob is the sudden scumread from RN flip. Seems like a lazy read. Who else do you think is scum? Maybe we should look as to why Dunn died?

You and Hu Tao are in sync!

I'm kinda leaning toward Bob being town actually

I think Hu Tao is town

not really, ive been town reading for while

Hu Tao only started town reading me start of day 2

[Hu Tao]

Don't think we need to vote yet. We should have a strategy with the bodyguards

[Hu Tao]

You

[Hu Tao]

!!GLOBAL INFORMED!!

There are multiple Bodyguards in the setup.

!!GLOBAL INFORMED!!

Pretty sure we've only had one body guard shown so far. I don't think multiple would be less than 3. So I think it's you and StD. Especially when we had a bodyguard finder. Unless I'm missing one.

[Hu Tao]

Hi invis did you read my guilty

[Hu Tao]

idk thinking about mech and setup spec and that jazz I am unsure but I have just consistently found STD townier than you lol

I softed my inno day 2

[Hu Tao]

Anyway both bodyguards should be on me tonight. VOTE: savethedragon

[Hu Tao]

I should say that I didn't like Hu Tao's posting at the beginning of today. She said to look elsewhere without providing a substantive elsewhere to look (592).

You even commented on it. How I said to look elsewhere than Bob and didn't really explain.

[Hu Tao]

Anyway it's pretty clear it's StD and sheep. Vote one and then the other if I die tonight

[Hu Tao]

im not a vt

and I think it means there must be mafia in hu tao / ???peregrine?????

because that would be like, a ridiculous number of town non-vanillas

And this is the clearest slip of all time. Invis do you understand why this is a slip? From sheep's point of view there is 2 mafia in 4 people confirmed. So if he names 3 people there is confirmed 1 mafia in them. There is no reason to say "I think" in that situation

[Hu Tao]

Okay. If you're town who is scum

[Hu Tao]

Where is pere

[Hu Tao]

im not a vt

and I think it means there must be mafia in hu tao / ???peregrine?????

because that would be like, a ridiculous number of town non-vanillas

And this is the clearest slip of all time. Invis do you understand why this is a slip? From sheep's point of view there is 2 mafia in 4 people confirmed. So if he names 3 people there is confirmed 1 mafia in them. There is no reason to say "I think" in that situation

he didn't name three people though

The ??? Is the 3rd person but that's besides the point. For your point of view there is a confirmed scum between me and std. Do you seriously not see me steering the votes away from Bob day 2?

[Hu Tao]

Also look at my reaction to hme claiming bodyguard finder, I was initially suspect of it but then realized it was to help find town and my role was to help find scum.

[Hu Tao]

Hu what happened to your suspicion of me

I suspected sheep and StD more. I'll quote

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao who do you actually think is scum

Right now I think it's between you sheep and NM

This is from yesterday. Proving I would check in one of those 2 since N_M was eliminated.

does anyone know if today is the day we're supposed to massclaim?? I feel like it roughly is??

I suck at mech so don't ask me.
I could claim today if people think it's a good idea i guess.

No. I think wait till tomorrow

Here saying to wait for tomorrow to claim because I knew I could possibly get an innocent or guilty.

[Hu Tao]

Can't believe invis is gonna screw this game up here why would I make my role obvious. Also look how they are both catering to you. Also look how it was announced there were multiple bodyguards this game. You think only 2? With sheep claiming he's a bodyguard enabler??

[Hu Tao]

it's probably just Hu here
I don't see genuine solving in the iso. Hu's read on STD (945) is wack and on Sheep (1064) feels contrived. Hu seems wholly uninterested in considering that me or Peregrine are STD's partner. Like not even acting the least bit suspicious about me even though he was before and even if he thinks std/sheep team is most likely that doesn't rule me out. Peregrine is more reasonable to not suspect since I don't think Hu ever expressed suspicion of that slot

am I too reliant on the wisdom of other folks? Is that why Hu is trying to get my vote here? That's possible honestly. I think Hu would know this lol

Please after this game reevaluate the way you go about in games. Try thinking more than surface level. There is no need for me to out a guilty as scum here the way I did. I would be too worried about "looking scummy" if I was scum. And it was pretty clear I scumread Bob day 1 and hard defensed him day 2.

[Hu Tao]

Why would I as scum come up with a role like that rather just say I'm cop or something. Like. I don't understand

[Hu Tao]

Invisibility if you're scum (which I don't think you are) but fair game to you. I think sheep seems like a more advanced player to be playing this way as town here so yeah.

Invis, not sure what else to say but I'm not going to be talking to a brick wall for days. If you scumread me, just vote me and get this game ended.

[Hu Tao]

Well. Congrats invis. It was pretty clearly sheep and StD but I'm not upset, as I figured it out regardless. Good play sheep you played well I didn't suspect you till yesterday I think.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: peregrine do you still want to vote Peregrine cuz I think she's scum basically no matter what

By the way never vote out of confirmed scum in a cop/guilty on Elim or lose day, it's not optimal as it could be a gambit between 2 scum. Just trying to tell you for future games.

[Hu Tao]

When game ends those who died or spectated let me know how I could have convinced invis today differently. Also was my soft not good enough? I thought if I made it more obvious I would get night killed. I'd like to improve

[Hu Tao]

When game ends those who died or spectated let me know how I could have convinced invis today differently. Also was my soft not good enough? I thought if I made it more obvious I would get night killed. I'd like to improve

nothing you could have done. this daw was invisibility's loss, more than std and sheep's win. i think by yesterday, mafia started playing sloppily. they got really lucky with invis not being open-minded on elo.

that said, i don't understand why day 2 needed my elimination. surprised it was town-driven, but was also warming up to the idea of a {sheep, std} because i was beginning to understand that the uninformed pov naturally scumreads what the hell i was trying to do.

Yeah I was sus of your role at first since I was basically a scum finder but I realized later you were a town finder. I wish n_m was voted out instead then

[Hu Tao]

and yes, when someone is confirmation biasing you being mafia, it is difficult to snap them out of it.

i think the best thing to do is to be open to their POV and work from there, like asking them about what they think and convince them that way rather than pushing your view strictly.


you have to understand *why* they reached the wrong conclusion before you can present information that may direct them to the right one

That's a good point. Thank you!