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[HighPrincessErinys]

Hellooooo. This one just woke up and is already having kind of a bad day for external reasons, but please do send me posts and summaries and it'll try to catch up and analyze when it can.

[HighPrincessErinys]

(Also your slot was pretty inactive and played against their town meta so you're currently high on my scum list, it's like a perfect set-up for a 1v1 :3)

Pardon me, but didn't you say your town meta on that slot was... a pregame?

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Actually, me am stupid.

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That is an embarrassing entrance but this one is just going to blame the bullshit it's grandpa has decided to put it through. Either way, lol lmao "a pre-game?" aside, this one doesn't put much stock into meta it has not directly played with. Could you perhaps tell me any non-meta reasons for a Bristep sus?

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And hey if Bri's agreeing with my logic there, it doesn't look great for em

Yeah that's uh... Why the hell did he DO that?? Damn.

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Skimming ISOs at random.

Spoiler: 150

Seems early to catch someone in a lie, but here we are. work me through this timeline.

Post 38-I am town

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

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--I literally post nothing---
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Post 56--I am at the top of her scum chart.

Town

Emperor flippyNips
Towwl
Morning Tweet
OopsieDaisy
Hu Tao
DrippingGoofball
sheepsaysmeep
Save The Dragons
Merlyn
geraintm
curiouskarmadog
bristep123

Scum

post 71---I vote her for a reaction check.

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

VOTE: Elements

what about now?

post 88---you tell me I am at the top of your scum list

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

VOTE: Elements

what about now?

As I'm sure you can see from my readlist, you are in the scum zone

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when I ask why, you said it was because of post 72 and 73...which OCCUR AFTER YOU PUT ME ON YOUR SCUM LIST. So 72 and 73 IS NOT the reason I was on your scum list. Why lie?

first time I voted you was a reaction check, voting you again as this is my first real vote.

VOTE: Elements

most well-informed page 3 readwall. bad vibes on elements for this whole exchange


Big fan of 294, and kinda feeling a gera vote after reading their ISO in-depth.

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Elements
sheepsaysmeep
bristep123
OopsieDaisy
Save The Dragons

PROBABLY GONNA PING...

geraintm

I AM NOT IMPRESSED

Merlyn
Emperor flippyNips
towwl

SCUM

Hu Tao (Because he explained his vote for me LOL)
Morning Tweet (I feel sneaky agenda vibes in the posts)

UNBROKEN STREAK OF ROLLING SCUM SINCE 2007

curiouskarmadog

Any chance of some elaborations on these reads? Mainly your town reads as they don't have blurbs like your scum reads do.

am sus of

DrippingGoofball

Wanna vote drip?

Would like to know why you two suspect DGB too.

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My townread on bristep was wrong as their replacement is clearly scum.

And you infer that how exactly?

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HighPrincessErinys [ 3 ] sheepsaysmeep, geraintm, Save the Dragons

seems like a bad wagon

How come? It's in my top 2 favourite wagons right now :)

You don't seem so willing to vote for me despite being a top 2 scumread, though.

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am sus of

DrippingGoofball

Wanna vote drip?

Would like to know why you two suspect DGB too.

Finally saw this post, and have to concur that DGB isn't really like, DOING anything? They're posting reads, yeah, but have given zero to extremely barebones reasoning on every one of them, and those reads are ALL they've provided, as they aren't exactly questioning people or directly sorting slots to get those reads.

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am sus of

DrippingGoofball

Wanna vote drip?

Would like to know why you two suspect DGB too.

Finally saw this post, and have to concur that DGB isn't really like, DOING anything? They're posting reads, yeah, but have given zero to extremely barebones reasoning on every one of them, and those reads are ALL they've provided, as they aren't exactly questioning people or directly sorting slots to get those reads.

One short meta dive later: Displeased to learn that this is roughly how DGB always plays it seems.

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Also the Tao Train looks appealing but this one is also kind of concerned with the amount of people immediately jumping on it as well.

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Really funny how this one is kinda just vibing and is on track to get mislimmed.

Big fan of 294, and kinda feeling a gera vote after reading their ISO in-depth.

I want @HPE to explain being a "big fan" of this post lol

the only reason I dont dislike those posts is because I know ckd does it as town from that large normal we keep talking about

Cause it's a good post? It points out several reasonable points and has ckd's thoughts on various slots throughout.

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My big gripe right now is that people seem to be allergic to elaborating on their reads/making cases in any way because this one is apparently the uberscum but no one will really fucking tell me or anyone else

why

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VOTE: HPE

if it wasnt for this vote i would have switched wagons

VOTE: DGB

This one is... mystified.

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I think town would more easily brush off making a post like 374. Honestly I didn't even find the post that "bad", I just didn't really understand it. But instead of just letting it go, HPE further digs a hole in 375 and 376 in a weird "haha silly me" act that I'm interpreting more as self-imposed flailing in a strange overabundance of caution, rather than town embarrassed by a bad post. It's a really bad entrance.

This one literally just read the post wrong after sleeping horridly late, waking up and having to deal with my idiot grandpa's shit which isn't appropriate to talk about here. Which it also mentions in that chain of posts. If you wanna read some weird scum defense strategy or whatever from this one talking about that at length like that, sure go ahead! Just know you're kinda missing the entire deal with my first day.

380 pings me as a weird distancing from the slot's previous inhabitant. I don't even really find it that bad when somebody agrees with reasoning for scumreading them and I never really took to that part of Daisy's case, but HPE takes that part at face value and postures as being baffled by bri's agreement. It feels performative, as there really isn't anything to be baffled by, but 380 makes it out to be a much bigger deal than it is.

Correct! It's kind of minor, even discounting differences in if you think it's weird or not to agree with scumreads, because this one is now aware that it's basically just "hey you're alot more sensitive this game compared to the last" "yea", but this one was again, kind of having a bad day and was skimming at best.

417 and 444 are kind of interesting, as we see a scumread on DGB building up, but in 444 we see HPE is "displeased" to see that we can't necessarily scumread DGB for her strange playstyle, as that's just the way she is. At first I found this kind of towny as I find meta dives kind of towny, but on the other hand this contradicts with 376 where HPE says "this one doesn't put much stock into meta it has not directly played with". So then why the disappointment at a meta dive invalidating a possible scum push? It just doesn't add up for me.

It's a really basic metadive to make and one that doesn't really infringe on my already not like

hard

rule of meta this one has observed being the main meta it cares about. Like, go ahead and read some of her games yourself, you'll pretty quickly find her posts are usually in the same laconic "X is Town." fashion as this game. This one isn't going to erroneously push a slot it literally fucking knows is Just Like That even if it wanted to prior, because it has no reason to keep that scumread at all.


Conclusion: damn dude. thats some industrial grade assumption of scum intentions. ouch.

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Don't like this at all though!

It's certainly what it felt like to me, though this one supposes MT put it more accurately as confirmation bias of a sort.

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me waking up and forgetting about the game

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i can FEEL the town coming from sheep i forget what it was exactly but i felt pretty strong abt it earlier

Hu Tao you were like "I was reading your post and it was all in order until you voted Emperor" -- like you're saying that the bit of my post devoted to suspecting you is fine, but because I voted Emperor that suddenly invalidates me and you aren't even gonna mention anything abt it except that the emperor vote made you sus for whatever reason

not townreading it though I guess I misinterpreted

Basically what seems disingenuous to me is that you think my suspicion on you is halfway reasonable but you're acting like it can't coexist with voting Emperor

Yes. Because it's like me saying how much I want to eat a hot dog and then saying BTW I'm going to eat a sandwich right now, maybe hot dog later. Maybe not the best analogy but makes sense to me :lol:

Hotdogs are sandwiches.
VOTE: Hu Tao

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In all seriousness, it is not remotely anything strange to go "hey i sus you" and then vote someone else in the same post. Is that kind of a 180? Yeah, but it's not like they DON'T sus you. It's just kind of a lame gotcha attempt when people can and will multi-task their thoughts/reads/votes in posts and there's nothing really AI about that as a concept.

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HighPrincessErinys what are your reads

Have frankly not been doing too much ISO reading the past day or two but off the top of my head:

Townread: MT, CKD...?
Townlean: Oopsie
Nulltown: DGB
Nullscum: gera, Emperor
Scumread: Hu Tao

Everyone else is either roughly null or it forgot. Need to

bare minimum

evaluate Elements soon this one thinks.

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VOTE: HPE

I'm an investigation pr.

Deadline too close to draw this out.

You're REALLY claiming just to get me killed?

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In all seriousness, it is not remotely anything strange to go "hey i sus you" and then vote someone else in the same post. Is that kind of a 180? Yeah, but it's not like they DON'T sus you. It's just kind of a lame gotcha attempt when people can and will multi-task their thoughts/reads/votes in posts and there's nothing really AI about that as a concept.

I feel this is self preservation and you don't believe this

And what is

self-preserving

about making a counterpoint to something you said about someone else??

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VERY VERY suspect of HT's claim because they don't seem the paranoid type to claim at E-2. This is likely an attempt to steer people on their wagon to mine for a freebie miselim.

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Like we still have a full day and change with two wagons close to completion and you're telling me it's such a close call that someone at E-2 needs to claim when there's no lolhammer-types?? It's attempted murder, this one tells you.

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I don't really know mech stuff so somebody help me understand why it would ever be correct to yeet HT tonight. Aren't they just the NK? If they're scum we'll pretty easily figure that out between surviving too many nights and giving bunk results. I don't get why HPE/Tweet are both still pushing HT

This one believes it has good reason to believe HT is just desperate scum claiming in the here and now.

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i get that its vague so you can cchange your claim later but scum would want to be more precise = more honest = more towny

If Hu Tao is scum, it's a great strategy to smoke out town investigative roles of every kind for counterclaiming.

Part of me wants a fullclaim from HT but it's not sure how useful that really would be for town.

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How many prods is everyone at anyway?

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Cos you’re town

TMI? hmmmmm????? :shifty:

aye, that n0 cop...

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But all things accounted for my final thoughts are just to nail HT to the wall regardless of the claim, but that's probably because this one sees the claim as an attempt to guarantee my miselim and nothing else.

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But all things accounted for my final thoughts are just to nail HT to the wall regardless of the claim, but that's probably because this one sees the claim as an attempt to guarantee my miselim and nothing else.

Why not wagon Emperor instead? Sure you might read the HT claim as a scum attempt to survive, but do you not see voting out a slot claiming an investigative PR as a risky move? Like the high roll of us getting a scum out is great but the low roll sucks so much if it's something good.

Eh, s'pose so considering EFN

is

also on my list. Going to see what else HT has to say first/what happens with the HT wagon in general before this one considers changing though.

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Erinys is still playing fairly reactive and I still maintain a scumread on the slot, but with how the HT/HPE situation is playing out and the fact that well, when you replace into a slot that's in that bad of a position in the game yea of course you're gonna start on the defensive,

That's just kinda how it is with this one in general, it believes.

Regardless, Emperor was already on my radar for low content, and if deadline is closing in, it supposes that's the safest place to put it's vote assuming HT really is PR. Definitely want to get some more out of HT tomorrow though.
VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

[HighPrincessErinys]

>votes counterwagon hu tao
>people express doubt in hu tao claim
>"hu tao claim is sooo wolfy and I just want to murder it today"
>people move from hu tao and emperor wagon grows
>"oh ok, assuming hu tao is pr, Vote: Emperor"

This one doesn't really gain anything as town from parking on a (dubious) PR claim no one wants to touch for today especially when the alternative is someone it also has a scumlean on. It's the logical choice to move instead of stubbornly going "no!!! kill hu tao IMMEDIATELY!!!".

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but u waited just a bit long imo lol and first talked about the hu tao claim being soo wolfy like u were hoping maybe we just kill it today

which feels contradictory to this post

This one has no idea what you mean by contradictory. And again, this one... doesn't really get anything from insisting on a HT elim today that is just NOT happening even if it finds them VERY scummy. You're essentially going "well you didn't hardtunnel so you're not town, and you considered your options beforehand so you're not town".

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ohhh jesus christ what did this one do to deserve this on waking up

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HPE reaction to the Hu claim, looked scummy. If the person I thought was scum, claimed a PR, I would have reacted differently....either begrudging pulled off my vote "for now"...or double down. your reaction was..."I find his claim suspect"..it felt wrong.

That's called doubling down, this one believes?

I don't really know mech stuff so somebody help me understand why it would ever be correct to yeet HT tonight. Aren't they just the NK? If they're scum we'll pretty easily figure that out between surviving too many nights and giving bunk results. I don't get why HPE/Tweet are both still pushing HT

This one believes it has good reason to believe HT is just desperate scum claiming in the here and now.

And thanks for nothing CKD by going "hey i think HPE softed" and then refusing to point out the soft.

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We have 3 hours so fine, here, congrats to scum for getting 3 PR claims on day one: This one is

Town Rolecop

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Really fuckin' miffed about having to claim this early.

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VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

This one feels this to it's core.

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Knowing scum this one will probably just get roleblocked into oblivion and be useless the entire game now.

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I would switch to elements if it was enough, I would also kill hpe in order to get a lim today, rolecop doesn’t compare to vig in variety of ways

It's literally just a prolonged vig if this one gets a guilty.

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UNVOTE: Emperor
Need to think.

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My ass never did that fucking looking into Elements it said it needed to do so this is kind of blind. Sorry.
VOTE: Elements

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This one half-wants to get back on HT and go "Counterclaim lol" but at this point it's like... fuckin' whatever. Us three PR claims will sort ourselves out in the following days anyway.

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It's just like, FMPOV there is low likelihood of multiple investigatives with one being a rolecop, and with shit like a vig in play too.

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This one half-wants to get back on HT and go "Counterclaim lol" but at this point it's like... fuckin' whatever. Us three PR claims will sort ourselves out in the following days anyway.

well you should have done that right after. I stand by your reaction was scummy. It is possible both of you are lying, AND both of you are telling the truth.

if I was a TOWN role cop, I would have been delighted to see that claim from Hu....because would have been able to see if he was lying super easy.

nope, you reaction was not good.

fuck, the more I talk about it...the more I want to vote you.....your claim is saving you right now.

Why the hell would this one immediately fall for obvious scum counterclaim bait when it can get much more value out of it's role by nailing OTHER scum??

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A lying HT will naturally get their spine broken, so it's in this one's best interest to not risk getting killed/roleblocked ceaselessly in order to find other scum, or atleast get a conftown, fuckin' SOMETHING other than immediately starting a D1 claim joust that does nothing but give scum info.

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that being said, here we are with you claimed.

Yeah, not that that has anything to do with what you were saying.

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Again it's a stupid idea to immediately start claiming "BULLSHIT! IM THE INVESTIGATIVE PR AROUND HERE!" even if it would probably get the elim through. There is no good reason to do it off the bat on D1.

[HighPrincessErinys]

if you are telling the truth, end game you can give me a hardy " I told you so".

but my gut is right more than it is wrong.

Bookmarking this.

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monkey see monkey do

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Yes.

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i don't think fake claiming equals scum or scummy because i do it all the time too.

So we have fakeclaiming Firebringer and lying-for-content Elements. That's kinda funny.

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i mean i played a game quite a while back with elements and by 2/3 into the game elements was my strongest townread and everyone else scumread elements and i had to argue with everyone. Was quite annoying.

Assumedly they were infact town?

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Wait is HT in hammer range??

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I think that's -1

As the other invest claim, this one will probably shortly perform the hammer so that it might humbly accept it's fate and be Tonight's Biggest Loser if HT actually somehow flips town.

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You still don't make sense with your claims of "actually rolecop sucks :/"

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In like, six minutes this one will hammer HT so it can go play Limbus Company.

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5PM, pulling the trigger (the gun shoots hammers)
VOTE: Hu Tao

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Bah!

-Edited by Shea

[HighPrincessErinys]

BRO SIMPLY SHOT TWO MAFIA AND WON

[HighPrincessErinys]

if you are telling the truth, end game you can give me a hardy " I told you so".

but my gut is right more than it is wrong.

This one told you so.